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Jan 4, 5 and  at the convention center….fyi john

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rachel and i, along with our 4-legged daughter, will be attending the snowbird creek winter convention from 1/5 til 1/12… anyone else goin? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jan 4, 5 and  at the convention center….fyi john

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Is this a general, mixed outdoor show or is it mostly fly fishing or hardly any fly fishing at all Jeff? george – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rachel and i, along with our 4-legged daughter, will be attending the snowbird creek winter convention from 1/5 til 1/12… anyone else goin? jeff Jan 4, 5 and  at the convention center….fyi john

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rachel and i, along with our 4-legged daughter, will be attending the snowbird creek winter convention from 1/5 til 1/12… anyone else goin?

Kipper the hound is WAY overdue for a fishin’ trip. Details, please. — Ken Fortenberry

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…actually, guess i’d say it’s a generally mixed-up indoor/outdoor show with a good bit of fly-fishing involved.  the entire convention consists of me, the exiled and little-known, but rightful, queen of afghanistan, rachel, and our dog sadie. it’s gonna take place in graham county, nc, a place (in middleton’s words) "edged with wildness that can nourish the spirit."  admission and exhibition fees to be determined by the arby mulligan subcommittee on the "rhythm of blood and water, bone and wind, muscle and stone." jeff   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this a general, mixed outdoor show or is it mostly fly fishing or hardly any fly fishing at all Jeff? george rachel and i, along with our 4-legged daughter, will be attending the snowbird creek winter convention from 1/5 til 1/12… anyone else goin? jeff Jan 4, 5 and  at the convention center….fyi john

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rachel and i, along with our 4-legged daughter, will be attending the snowbird creek winter convention from 1/5 til 1/12… anyone else goin?

1/5, huh, Jeffy?! You’d better pray for melt. –Steve

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snowbird creek – jan 5 – 12.  see note above.  all conventioneers – two-legged, four-legged, peg-legged, or long-legged blondes – are welcome.  those willing and able to hike with fellow conventioneer above middle falls are most welcome and will be rewarded with a meal fit for a prince of afghanistan…   fishing snowbird, santeetlah, hazel and/or eagle…and a little creek whose name shall not be spoken, but is well-known to those who dined on the 3 big rainbows at the anti-clave… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kipper the hound is WAY overdue for a fishin’ trip. Details, please. — Ken Fortenberry

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ah zimbo, where’s the sport in that.  you do remember the fun of a watauga ice-over i know.  having spent two years of fishing every month of the year for a few days in every kind of weather (excluding hurricanes or tornadoes) in the nc mountains, i’ve discovered there simply is not a bad day to go afishin in (or on) a nc stream. i actually like the cold weather (which really isn’t that cold compared to those places up north or out west frequented by some here – you seen those places where that fella named ian fishes?)…it culls the tourists and the timid interlopers from the path <G. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1/5, huh, Jeffy?! You’d better pray for melt. –Steve

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… fishing snowbird, santeetlah, hazel and/or eagle…

Snowbird and Santeetlah sound like fun, especially Snowbird up above Middle Falls. I’d like to hike down to the Slickrock one day to meet one of those big browns Middleton wrote about, if I can find someone willing to make the trek. Indian Joe and I walked in there one time, but he crapped out after only six miles or so and Wayno turns white and clutches his chest at the mere mention of Slickrock. If I brought the hound though the Park would be out, the Park Service doesn’t allow four legged ROFFians into the backcountry and I won’t have a hound sitter with. Email me a list of dog friendly cabins near Robbinsville if you have such a thing handy. This has the makings of a beautiful respite and I find I tie better flies whilst fishing than I do whilst merely dreaming of fishing, which should be a big plus for the 2002 Flyswap. — Ken Fortenberry

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i actually like the cold weather (which really isn’t that cold compared to those places up north or out west frequented by some here – you seen those places where that fella named ian fishes?)…it culls the tourists and the timid interlopers from the path <G.

        it also clarifies the names of tar heel madmen. wayno (after november 1, not a mile further west than the rowan county line, not a foot further north than the greensboro city limits.)

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   it also clarifies the names of tar heel madmen. wayno (after november 1, not a mile further west than the rowan county line, not a foot further north than the greensboro city limits.)

<g …i guess someone’s gotta wrestle with what guilford county has to offer during the winter’s chill… try and convince those other rational-thinking tarheel souls up your way to keep the same spirit and boundaries.  as for my part, i’ll continue to monitor graham and swain counties whenever possible – any month of the year, any time of the day or night, and any weather. jeff (looking forward again to shaking hands with a carolina trout in january)

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Ken–re Slickrock creek–You are right, after hiking in what seemed like 6 miles I had to sit down and eat my sardines and think about the trip out was just as far.  On both trips to Slickrock since then I went in from top of ridge {big fat gap}, much easier trail to creek-you just fall down off ridge for 1200feet and start fishing. Only problem is end of day when you must climb up ridge for 1200 feet in less than a mile.  Next time bring your canoe and we will paddle over from Cheoh campgroud to mouth of Slickrock. But Middleton must have caught the big browns and ate them  as all I get are medium rainbow. If we get Jeff to go with us I’m sure we will learn to find browns.  Indian Joe

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Next time bring your canoe and we will paddle over from Cheoh campgroud to mouth of Slickrock.

        joe, if you paddle across calderwood (the name of the lake that slickrock flows into), for god’s sake don’t fall in.  it is formed by water released from the bottom of fontana.  temp in summertime runs about 40 degrees.  pamlico jim jumped in there after a full day’s fishing about 10 years ago–it remains the only time i have ever heard him scream while sober. wayno (yeah, he was nekkid)

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        joe, if you paddle across calderwood (the name of the lake that slickrock flows into), for god’s sake don’t fall in.  it is formed by water released from the bottom of fontana.  temp in summertime runs about 40 degrees.  pamlico jim jumped in there after a full day’s fishing about 10 years ago–it remains the only time i have ever heard him scream while sober. wayno (yeah, he was nekkid)

wayno, which brings up the question of is there any fishing in the river below the dam? i’ve always wondered if it was a tailrace stretch of water…. –waldo

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wayno, which brings up the question of is there any fishing in the river below the dam? i’ve always wondered if it was a tailrace stretch of water…. –waldo, i have heard from a local expert that it is fishable from time to

time, depending on the release rate from fontana; however, i have never seen a flow substantial enough to give hope for good fishing. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Ken–re Slickrock creek–You are right, after hiking in what seemed like 6 miles I had to sit down and eat my sardines and think about the trip out was just as far.

I hope to hell I can make that hike when I’m your age. (Some 50-60 years from now …  Next time bring your canoe and we will paddle over from Cheoh campgroud to mouth of Slickrock. But Middleton must have caught the big browns and ate them  as all I get are medium rainbow. If we get Jeff to go with us I’m sure we will learn to find browns.  Indian Joe

Next time may be next week. There is some opposition from the better half on the grounds that during January, somewhere between Urbana and Graham County, one is almost certain to run into bad weather. I think I can overcome this opposition if I agree to leave the hound at home. But, no canoes for me in January. You goin’ to Snowbird next week ? — Ken Fortenberry

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going to Snowbird next week?  No I have to go to Florida for a couple of weeks for tennis tournement and starting my summer tan.     If you can break thru the ice, there is a log in stream about 100 yards downstream from Jeff’s cabin with a big fish under it–I left him there just for you.   Indian Joe-

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But,one can build the body into most of the bend, use hook shape to the advantage of simulation.

That’s true, especially for scuds, caddis pupae, etc.  Still, by far my most productive fly, a bead-head PT on a TMC 3761, has a pretty straight body that takes up no more than half the total hook length (eye to point). I agree with your earlier statement, "On many subsurface patterns, and even some  surface emerger types, the hook bend can serve to mimic the shape of the natural nymph, pupa or whatever", especially for those forms, like emerging pupae that have associated air bubbles.  The hook bend may correspond in the trout’s eye to the curved edge of the bubble or bubble mass.   Although it’s an uncommon fly, compare the picture of the daphnia fly Dave LaCourse found and posted on ROFT http://www.danica.com/flytier/hverhaar/daphnia.htm to photos of daphnia http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artjun99/wflea.html Without the hook bend, there’d be little resemblance.  Makes you wonder if all those tiny things on curved #24-28 hooks that we think are midge patterns aren’t really taken by the trout as daphnia (not that it really matters). JR

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Some manufacturers are now producing bright gold, green, red and blue salmon/steelhead hooks.  Why waste all that bare metal when you can dress it up?

One wonders if a little metallic paint added to make the hook look more like the tied bug would make a difference.  I might have to try that for fun just to see. Sandy

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Maybe that big curvy part looks like an ovipositor.  See my web site www.sluttyflies.com

Here’s the sex spam we were looking for.  Bugs waving their ovipositors around.  Hmmph. Sandy

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  One wonders if a little metallic paint added to make the hook look more like the tied bug would make a difference.  I might have to try that for fun just to see.

They are starting to make the colored hooks in trout sizes too.  I saw some at a fly shop on the Beaverhead River and Lou Teletski gave me a fly that used a red hook when we went fishing the other day.  I haven’t tried them yet, but I can see how they might benefit a fly tyer. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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They are starting to make the colored hooks in trout sizes too.  I saw some at a fly shop on the Beaverhead River and Lou Teletski gave me a fly that used a red hook when we went fishing the other day.  I haven’t tried them yet, but I can see how they might benefit a fly tyer.

Did you see who the hook’s maker was? If someone here’s interested in trying it for themselves, you can buy metallic paint (normally used for jewelry) here: http://www.fancifulsinc.com/ Sandy

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You’d think (regardless of your species-specific sense of perception) that this big ol’ ugly THING just hanging there off the bottom of our handiwork is a lot more obvious than the many fine details we obsess over.  Why on earth would any trout swimming not key on THAT?

Depending on the angle the fish sees it from, yes it’s very obvious and I have no doubt whatever that the trout sees it.  But trout are also very used to seeing things on insects – broken legs and wings, a sliver of leaf or filament of weed, or even a pebble and twig case on a caddis.  The trout sees it and just assumes it’s a harmless piece of flotsam, extra fiber if you will.  Only if a trout has been hooked a number of times would he actually recognize it as a "bad" insect, IMO.

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Did you see who the hook’s maker was? If someone here’s interested in trying it for themselves, you can buy metallic paint (normally used for jewelry) here: http://www.fancifulsinc.com/

The hooks I saw were not labeled.  It looked like the shop had bought them bulk and packaged them in little zip lock bags on their own.  I will call out there tomorrow and find out where they bought them at.  I do recall they were expensive (like $10 for 25 hooks if I remember correctly) so your metallic paint idea might be a very good alternative. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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"The trout just assumes it’s a harmless piece of flotsam, extra fiber if you will." "Assumes", to deduce.  The ability to come to a logical conclusion based on facts.   "Trout", to be a genius.  The ability to attend college courses without paying tuitions.  To Trout, as to flaunt wonderful phrases upon non-thinking ass holes who fly fish as a reflex action. "Seeing Trout" extablishes the ability to understand languages such as English. "Feeding Trout", The need to eat with the foreknowledge that to not do so will result in death.   "Dieting Trout", as in "Free Rising" selective trout who know the difference between choosing either a protein insect over one burden with excessive carbohydrates and undesirable fiber. Flyfisherman:  That which has a brain the size of a pea and who talks to the fishes as in Mafia Fisherman.   All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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Warren Findley: One wonders if a little metallic paint added to make the hook look more like the tied bug would make a difference.  I might have to try that for fun just to see. They are starting to make the colored hooks in trout sizes too.  I saw some at a fly shop on the Beaverhead River and Lou Teletski gave me a fly that used a red hook when we went fishing the other day.  I haven’t tried them yet, but I can see how they might benefit a fly tyer. —

I’ve been using red nymph hooks for five or six years.  It’s the only color I’ve seen in the smaller sizes. As far as glitter is concerned, good old nail polish (Wet and Wild) with the silver or gold flecks in it works well.  Also, Orvis sells some head cement with silver flecks.   Dave

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I’ve been using red nymph hooks for five or six years.  It’s the only color I’ve seen in the smaller sizes. As far as glitter is concerned, good old nail polish (Wet and Wild) with the silver or gold flecks in it works well.  Also, Orvis sells some head cement with silver flecks. Dave

Do you think there’s an advantage in using colored hooks? The nail polish idea is a good one — you can get it in any crazy color these days, and Wet & Wild is pretty cheap, but the clerk at the store might look at you funny. Sandy

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Reading about colored hooks now is a revelation to me Jon and I suppose it makes sense to include the hook coloring of olive, for instance, to add to the tone of an olive caddis emerger, for instance.  It seems this is one of those rare instances where the present generation is going to drag me, screaming and kicking into the future.  I might be an old dog learning new tricks but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. Now if you please, would someone hold my hand down hard upon this table so it won’t lift that shot of Jack Daniels to my quivering lips? Mr. G. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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……. But trout are also very used to seeing things on insects – broken legs and wings, a sliver of leaf or filament of weed, or even a pebble and twig case on a caddis.  The trout sees it and just assumes it’s a harmless piece of flotsam, extra fiber if you will.  Only if a trout has been hooked a number of times would he actually recognize it as a "bad" insect, IMO.

Yes, that’s all plausible. JR

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Do you think there’s an advantage in using colored hooks? The nail polish idea is a good one — you can get it in any crazy color these days, and Wet & Wild is pretty cheap, but the clerk at the store might look at you funny.

I called up that fly shop in Dillon and they said the hooks are manufactured by Daiichi.  I checked the Daiichi website and they have red, black, nickel and gold hooks in a variety of styles.  Unfortunately they do not list their hooks that would be of use to fly fishermen so I emailed the company for more information.  Here is a link to their website if you care to take a look. http://www.daiichihooks.com/daiichi/index.html — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I called up that fly shop in Dillon and they said the hooks are manufactured by Daiichi.  I checked the Daiichi website and they have red, black, nickel and gold hooks in a variety of styles.  Unfortunately they do not list their hooks that would be of use to fly fishermen so I emailed the company for more information.  Here is a link to their website if you care to take a look. http://www.daiichihooks.com/daiichi/index.html

   Another manufacturer of colored hooks is Gamakatsu (www.gamakatsu.com). I’ve seen them in the local fly shops but never tied with them, but I’ll vouch for the quality of their product. I was a serious ocean/big game fisherman in a past life; Gamakatsu and Owner were the only hooks I’d use.

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Warren?  Wouldn’t you t hink a gold hook would most likely be like adding gold tinsel to a fly?  I don’t know. George All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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I think, but have no proof for it, that hook recognition develops in fish over time and that this is a major part of what we anglers call "selective behavior". I feel this is mostly a factor with flies at/near the surface, and more an issue in slower, richer streams that offer more time for the fish to observe their prey. On many subsurface patterns, and even some surface emerger types, the hook bend can serve to mimic the shape of the natural nymph,pupa or whatever.

I agree it’s mostly a factor in slower, richer streams.  I’d have thought, though, it was also more important with subsurface flies than with dries, first because the "profile" of the bend is reduced when viewed from below, and second because, as well described by Peter in the Fly Perceptions thread, it may be that the bare part of the hook is somewhat masked by the dimples and associated halos caused by the hackle and tail. JR

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When I first read the header to this post I ignored because I thought it was sex site SPAM!!!!!!!

Sorry.  Fine state of affairs when we *expect* to see sex spam, ain’t it? What you say may very well be true, but like I said in another post, it’s something that confirms my opinion that fish perceive our flies in a very different way from the way we do. That "big-ass curvy part" is very evident to me and seems even more prevalent in smaller flies. Maybe they ignore it because they tend to look for certain things that are "right" about a fly or for a certain trigger instead of things that are "wrong." Maybe those "educated" fish have learned to look for things that are "wrong" as well???

Well, my speculations were just musings.  To me, it remains a great mystery that fish will overlook something so conspicuous.  On the other hand, say a fish ignores a nymph presented once, twice, and takes it on the third cast.  It might well be that, just by chance, the fly was turned the third time in a way to present a top or bottom view (with the bare hook bend hidden), while the first two times, again by chance alone, the fly passed the fish turned in a way that presented the fly more in profile, with the bend more exposed. When fishing the traditional downstream swing for steelhead here in the PNW, one tactic is to throw upstream mends to slow down the swing, allowing the fish the longest possible view of the fly (a good tactic when swinging soft hackles for trout, too).  A disadvantage is that unless you use a riffle hitch or some such, the view the fish has tends to be a butt-on, reduced view.  It addition to the riffle hitch, a greased line presentation also serves to give the fish a full profile view of the fly.  The difference (from fishing for trout) is that you just want the steelhead to see the very most of whatever silhouette the fly happens to have, to maximize the sheer provocation value of the fly–you’re not trying to imitate any particular natural foodstuff.  Here the more bare hook you have visible, maybe the better.  Some manufacturers are now producing bright gold, green, red and blue salmon/steelhead hooks.  Why waste all that bare metal when you can dress it up? JR

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I’ve often wondered about that "big-ass curvy part", but most of the time it doesn’t seem to bother the trout’s attraction to the lure.

Good thing, too, otherwise we’d all have to find another sport.  ;)  I guess that’s what amazes me:  that it *doesn’t* bother the fish while very minor differences in other parts of the fly will make a difference. JR

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Maybe that big curvy part looks like an ovipositor.  See my web site www.sluttyflies.com

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I believe that many streams (I know of three) where the fish are "opportunistic" — that is, if it looks like it could be food, they will strike it.  On the rivers I recently visited in Idaho, there was no hatch, yet they readily took a humpy or a Klinkhammer, the bigger the better.  The guide gave my grandson a #10 red humpy and I marveled at its effectiveness.   This is just the opposite of another river I fish – when there is no hatch, the fish will rise to a very small, well presented dry.  Nymphing the rivers in Idaho was very successful, but again you had to give them a big nymph.  My #18s and 20s were useless.  Those same 18s and 20s on another river will catch many fish.

"Bigger is better" is right. I seldom use dries smaller than #12 or nymphs smaller than #14 in those Idaho waters you fished. I think the deal is that they’re relatively sterile freestone rivers. The fish jump on whatever they see that looks edible. Large, good floating Chernobyl patterns with dropper nymphs are very effective. So are large orange stimulators. You can catch these fish with an indicator attached to a bare hook. I only use the standard nymph patterns — pheasant tails, hare’s ears, prince nymphs, and lately copper johns. Also, the fish are mostly cutthroats, which are notoriously gullible. It doesn’t make for particularly challenging fishing (aside from the ass-busting hiking to get to the good spots), but it’s fun. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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John replies:  I’d have thought, though, it was also more important with subsurface flies than with dries, first because the "profile" of the bend is reduced when viewed from below,

But,one can build the body into most of the bend, use hook shape to the advantage of simulation. it may be that the bare part of the hook is somewhat masked by the dimples and associated halos caused by the hackle and tail.

I disagree. If you watch how a fresh, well hackled dry fly floats, the hook penetrates the surface,except for a tightly palmered hackle. Most dries settle right on top of the surface with the body, with some hackle tips in the water and the ones on the sides doing the work of holding the fly up. Anyhow, the hook will be seen, and quite distinctly from the body silhouette.                              Tom L

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John writes: just what do we imagine the fish make of that big long hook bend

I think, but have no proof for it, that hook recognition develops in fish over time and that this is a major part of what we anglers call "selective behavior". I feel this is mostly a factor with flies at/near the surface, and more an issue in slower, richer streams that offer more time for the fish to observe their prey. On many subsurface patterns, and even some surface emerger types, the hook bend can serve to mimic the shape of the natural nymph,pupa or whatever.                                Tom L

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John writes: just what do we imagine the fish make of that big long hook bend I think, but have no proof for it, that hook recognition develops in fish over time and that this is a major part of what we anglers call "selective behavior". I feel this is mostly a factor with flies at/near the surface, and more an issue in slower, richer streams that offer more time for the fish to observe their prey. On many subsurface patterns, and even some surface emerger types, the hook bend can serve to mimic the shape of the natural nymph,pupa or whatever.

When I first read the header to this post I ignored because I thought it was sex site SPAM!!!!!!! What you say may very well be true, but like I said in another post, it’s something that confirms my opinion that fish perceive our flies in a very different way from the way we do. That "big-ass curvy part" is very evident to me and seems even more prevalent in smaller flies. Maybe they ignore it because they tend to look for certain things that are "right" about a fly or for a certain trigger instead of things that are "wrong." Maybe those "educated" fish have learned to look for things that are "wrong" as well??? Willi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi writes: John writes: just what do we imagine the fish make of that big long hook bend I think, but have no proof for it, that hook recognition develops in fish over time and that this is a major part of what we anglers call "selective behavior". I feel this is mostly a factor with flies at/near the surface, and more an issue in slower, richer streams that offer more time for the fish to observe their prey. On many subsurface patterns, and even some surface emerger types, the hook bend can serve to mimic the shape of the natural nymph,pupa or whatever. When I first read the header to this post I ignored because I thought it was sex site SPAM!!!!!!! What you say may very well be true, but like I said in another post, it’s something that confirms my opinion that fish perceive our flies in a very different way from the way we do. That "big-ass curvy part" is very evident to me and seems even more prevalent in smaller flies. Maybe they ignore it because they tend to look for certain things that are "right" about a fly or for a certain trigger instead of things that are "wrong." Maybe those "educated" fish have learned to look for things that are "wrong" as well??? Willi

I believe that many streams (I know of three) where the fish are "opportunistic" — that is, if it looks like it could be food, they will strike it.  On the rivers I recently visited in Idaho, there was no hatch, yet they readily took a humpy or a Klinkhammer, the bigger the better.  The guide gave my grandson a #10 red humpy and I marveled at its effectiveness.   This is just the opposite of another river I fish – when there is no hatch, the fish will rise to a very small, well presented dry.  Nymphing the rivers in Idaho was very successful, but again you had to give them a big nymph.  My #18s and 20s were useless.  Those same 18s and 20s on another river will catch many fish. I’ve often wondered about that "big-ass curvy part", but most of the time it doesn’t seem to bother the trout’s attraction to the lure. Dave

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The recent discussion about wings, fishes’ perception, etc., reminded me of something I’ve often wondered, even marveled about–one of those things that come unbidden to mind on the thousandth (or two thousandth) fishless cast of the day on a steelhead river. Those of us who agonize over the minutiae of wing size, or number of fibers in the tail, or shade of copper in the ribbing:  just what do we imagine the fish make of that big long hook bend that on some patterns constitutes 50% or more of the whole gestalt (if you’ll pardon the word) presented to the fish?  Think of some ties you’ve seen of English PTs or soft hackles on those short hooks with absolutely huge gaps; yet these are effective flies.  You’d think (regardless of your species-specific sense of perception) that this big ol’ ugly THING just hanging there off the bottom of our handiwork is a lot more obvious than the many fine details we obsess over.  Why on earth would any trout swimming not key on THAT? I’d imagine the influence of the hook bend is least when the fly is viewed from directly above (in which case for most flies, it’s invisible); almost as little when viewed from directly below; slightly greater when viewed at an oblique angle above, behind, or to side; and greatest when viewed at right angles from the side.   If this is right, could it be one reason (in addition to the commonly cited ones) a straight downstream presentation of a dry is successful when casting to selective fish on calm waters?  Could there be implications for presentation of nymphs in slower water?  A reason why LaFontaine’s sparkle pupa (with the bend shrouded) is so effective?  A reason to use nothing but the lightest wire hooks available? (A reason for me to get a life and think about more useful things?) JR

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Thanks.

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For a prognosis of the upcoming flyangling season in the Tahoe-Truckee area I’ve just posted a new report.  During the season it will provide reliable info for those planning a flyfishing trip to the North Tahoe area. Frank R. Pisciotta Thy Rod & Staff 530.587.7333 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe    530-541-8208 They also have a web site     www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe         530-541-8208 They also have a web site          www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use.

Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are on a beautiful mountain stream, where a big, wily wild brown is at peace, resting and content at sipping the invertebrate that comes his way. His location is in a undercut bank with overhanging rhododendron within two feet of the water surface. As you get over the shakes, you plan for minutes (feels like hours) on how to get that sidearm/roll/whatchamacallit humphreyesque cast ahead of the fish and under the rhodo into that perfect drift. After you stealthily move into optimum position you gingerly cast with confidence and unleash your favorite fly. As it is magically approaching that perfect spot, a previously unnoticed dead rhodo twig rears its ugly, graying stub and snatches your fly within inches of miraculous touchdown. As you are gently tugging on your line in the impractical hope that it may softly dislodge, the trees sway (laugh) in the wind and the brown rockets upstream in a big swoosh chucklin’ all the way.

As they say in NE Tennessee ….’been thar done that’ — Good Fishing and Tight Lines             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are on a beautiful mountain stream, where a big, wily wild brown is at peace, resting and content at sipping the invertebrate that comes his way. His location is in a undercut bank with overhanging rhododendron within two feet of the water surface. As you get over the shakes, you plan for minutes (feels like hours) on how to get that sidearm/roll/whatchamacallit humphreyesque cast ahead of the fish and under the rhodo into that perfect drift. After you stealthily move into optimum position you gingerly cast with confidence and unleash your favorite fly. As it is magically approaching that perfect spot, a previously unnoticed dead rhodo twig rears its ugly, graying stub and snatches your fly within inches of miraculous touchdown. As you are gently tugging on your line in the impractical hope that it may softly dislodge, the trees sway (laugh) in the wind and the brown rockets upstream in a big swoosh chucklin’ all the way. As they say in NE Tennessee ….’been thar done that’ — Good Fishing and Tight Lines             | /             |/   (         /|    –     / | C. Michael Bullard

– yup, too many times…. btw, what part of TN you from? –Walt

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: sounds about right. only a couple of trees? I’ve been thinking of just : throwing a few beat-up flies to the wind before my first cast to : appease …. : 4. any combo of the above  (depending upon their moods)     : : Watch out when they’re really ticked, like when you volunteer a handful : of used tatters.  They’ve been known to take rod tips.  Ouch! : : BobW : :         : Acute observations Bob. In addition I might add: : You are on a beautiful mountain stream, where a big, wily wild brown is : at peace, resting and content at sipping the invertebrate that comes his …. : dislodge, the trees sway (laugh) in the wind and the brown rockets : upstream in a big swoosh chucklin’ all the way. : The tree gods are smiling, for they are appeased. : –Walt I also found it doesn’t pay to try to get one back even in you can. One occasion I was able to bend down the branch in question and unhook it. Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH! Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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I also found it doesn’t pay to try to get one back even in you can. One occasion I was able to bend down the branch in question and unhook it. Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH!

Being snagged is almost as bad is bending a branch to retrieve a fly to a point where the spring loaded tension  causes one to lose their balance….this usually happens (at least to me) at a point where the water is much deeper then the tops of my waders…..bummer — Good Fishing and Tight Lines             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard

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Mike laments: <snip Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH!

Bonus!!!! Two for the price of one. Patrick

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I also found it doesn’t pay to try to get one back even in you can. One occasion I was able to bend down the branch in question and unhook it. Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH!

Lucky you weren’t in Germany Mike, the next angler to come along would have been morally obliged to ram a knife through your head ;^) — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘warboyz’ to reply by e-mail)

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Stuart Nuttall hilariously writes:

<<Lucky you weren’t in Germany Mike, the next angler to come along would have been morally obliged to ram a knife through your head ;^) — LOL.  You are *baaaaaaad*, Stuart.  Bad, bad, bad.  d;0) Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also found it doesn’t pay to try to get one back even in you can. One occasion I was able to bend down the branch in question and unhook it. Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH! Lucky you weren’t in Germany Mike, the next angler to come along would have been morally obliged to ram a knife through your head ;^) — Stuart Nuttall

Nicely put, Stuart.  I’m still laughing! Bob Scott

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also found it doesn’t pay to try to get one back even in you can. One occasion I was able to bend down the branch in question and unhook it. Then I let go of the branch, and WHAM, this unnoticed treble hook offering from a bait chucker lodged itself in the palm of my hand. Needless to say it was not debarbed. OUCH! Lucky you weren’t in Germany Mike, the next angler to come along would have been morally obliged to ram a knife through your head ;^) — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘warboyz’ to reply by e-mail)

Saturday night, 10 pm on the east coast of the US, wondering why I’m reading ROFF instead of doing what normal people do on a Saturday night, and I suddently get to laugh my ass off.  Thanks Stuart. Mark Faulkner

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Once I lost I fly in extremely high water and could not get to the tree to retieve it.  The following spring the Tree God blessed me and I found the exact same tree and retrieved the fly…   can’t figure out why I wasn’t blessed with fish… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sounds about right. only a couple of trees? I’ve been thinking of just throwing a few beat-up flies to the wind before my first cast to appease the tree gods so that I can fish w/o losing tippett. But I’m sure they will ignore my paltry offerings and go for the real thing. In my experience the tree-gods only accept offerings consisting of either: 1. the last copy of the only fly that works 2. the one you just paid 2 bucks for and has yet to see water 3. the next one you just paid 2 bucks for & still hasn’t seen water and is attached to the last 2 feet of 6X in the county. 4. any combo of the above  (depending upon their moods) Watch out when they’re really ticked, like when you volunteer a handful of used tatters.  They’ve been known to take rod tips.  Ouch! BobW Acute observations Bob. In addition I might add: You are on a beautiful mountain stream, where a big, wily wild brown is at peace, resting and content at sipping the invertebrate that comes his way. His location is in a undercut bank with overhanging rhododendron within two feet of the water surface. As you get over the shakes, you plan for minutes (feels like hours) on how to get that sidearm/roll/whatchamacallit humphreyesque cast ahead of the fish and under the rhodo into that perfect drift. After you stealthily move into optimum position you gingerly cast with confidence and unleash your favorite fly. As it is magically approaching that perfect spot, a previously unnoticed dead rhodo twig rears its ugly, graying stub and snatches your fly within inches of miraculous touchdown. As you are gently tugging on your line in the impractical hope that it may softly dislodge, the trees sway (laugh) in the wind and the brown rockets upstream in a big swoosh chucklin’ all the way. The tree gods are smiling, for they are appeased. –Walt — The Blue Ridge Book Gallery | We are located 8 miles south of Boone on Rt. 1 Box 975-23            | Hiway 105 in Foscoe in the heart of the Banner Elk, NC 28604        | beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains. Please (704) 963-5001              | visit us when you’re in the area.                            |  Thanks….Marie & Walter Winter http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter/         also on Interloc…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sounds about right. only a couple of trees? I’ve been thinking of just throwing a few beat-up flies to the wind before my first cast to appease the tree gods so that I can fish w/o losing tippett. But I’m sure they will ignore my paltry offerings and go for the real thing. In my experience the tree-gods only accept offerings consisting of either: 1. the last copy of the only fly that works   2. the one you just paid 2 bucks for and has yet to see water 3. the next one you just paid 2 bucks for & still hasn’t seen water and is attached to the last 2 feet of 6X in the county. 4. any combo of the above  (depending upon their moods)     Watch out when they’re really ticked, like when you volunteer a handful of used tatters.  They’ve been known to take rod tips.  Ouch! BobW

Acute observations Bob. In addition I might add: You are on a beautiful mountain stream, where a big, wily wild brown is at peace, resting and content at sipping the invertebrate that comes his way. His location is in a undercut bank with overhanging rhododendron within two feet of the water surface. As you get over the shakes, you plan for minutes (feels like hours) on how to get that sidearm/roll/whatchamacallit humphreyesque cast ahead of the fish and under the rhodo into that perfect drift. After you stealthily move into optimum position you gingerly cast with confidence and unleash your favorite fly. As it is magically approaching that perfect spot, a previously unnoticed dead rhodo twig rears its ugly, graying stub and snatches your fly within inches of miraculous touchdown. As you are gently tugging on your line in the impractical hope that it may softly dislodge, the trees sway (laugh) in the wind and the brown rockets upstream in a big swoosh chucklin’ all the way. The tree gods are smiling, for they are appeased. –Walt — The Blue Ridge Book Gallery | We are located 8 miles south of Boone on Rt. 1 Box 975-23            | Hiway 105 in Foscoe in the heart of the Banner Elk, NC 28604        | beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains. Please (704) 963-5001              | visit us when you’re in the area.                             |  Thanks….Marie & Walter Winter http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter/         also on Interloc…

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

Back in 1991, I went to Canada’s Northwest Territories on a fly-in trip.  To research it, I called the NWT tourism bureau.  They were able to give me quite a bit of valuable info on winners and losers in the fly-in fishing biz.  My choice (one of her recommendations) was great and I will go back to NWT as soon as I can afford it. Peter

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some of the people who have gone on guided trips in BC have done extremely well – limited out for Salmon, Halibut & cod as well as a big haul of shrimp and crab. Northwest Fishing Guides who have a lodge in Terrace BC take people out to the ocean or take them to freshwater fishing areas and are very successfull.  I have had very good reports on them. My pages have listings – Northwest and many other fishing guides, take a look – it won’t cost anything to look! Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Always wondered if you got what you paid for? Back in 1991, I went to Canada’s Northwest Territories on a fly-in trip.  To research it, I called the NWT tourism bureau.  They were able to give me quite a bit of valuable info on winners and losers in the fly-in fishing biz.  My choice (one of her recommendations) was great and I will go back to NWT as soon as I can afford it. Peter

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some of the people who have gone on guided trips in BC have done extremely well – limited out for Salmon, Halibut & cod as well as a big haul of shrimp and crab.

[snip] Fly-fishing for shrimp and crab? Shouldn’t this be in the "Strange Fish On The Fly" thread? ;^)

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

Sometimes it’s better than you imagined it could be.  Other times you can be disappointed and once in a while, you can feel absolutely cheated.  It pays to do research and check references.

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you do not need pretty flies to catch fish.  Everyone I know started by tying an excruciatingly ugly mutant bugger creature.  Everyone I know also

I just tied my first fly around a month ago.  While I wouldn’t call it excruciatingly ugly (yet–it is looking uglier all the time), mutant bugger creature is a pretty good description. I decided to record my misadventures before I forget the specifics.   Here’s my description of that first fly. "  I’d been reading up on fly tying for a few months but it took a little while to get my fingers lacquered.  Since I had yet to get any of the normal tools or supplies, my first fly was tied with a size 10 bait hook, dark grey cat hair (under-fur), sewing thread, and two pheasant feathers picked up  from the local five and dime.  It’s a bit rough but not bad for a first attempt.  The cat hair appears to trap microscopic bubbles when under water and with the thread ribbing looks nicely segmented (if a bit uneven in spots).  I was going to put some hackle on it but the stem on the dime store hackle I was trying to use kept breaking."   _Rich_

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I like Lefty Kreh’s book "Advanced Flyfishing Techniques- Secrets of an Avid Fisherman." If you’re learning how cast or having casting problems, you should look into getting a lesson.

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Hi Jolivas – I used Jack Dennis’ Western Trout Fly Tying Manual, myself, and really found it helpful.  Good photos of the step by step process for tying very practical and useful flies, including dry flies, hair flies, nymphs, streamers, and wet flies.  Also a good discussion of tools and materials.  This is a great place to start, and from there there is no end to books on fly tying. Have fun with it this winter, and by this spring you should have a selection of very useful patterns. Charlie Miller

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying?

 They are in the LIBRARY..next to the books, that teach you Neurosurgery!!!…;)

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying?  They are in the LIBRARY..next to the books, that teach you Neurosurgery!!!…;)

Nancy Try Randall Kaufmann’s books or Skip Morris. Kaufman’s revised editions have about 15 or so colored plates illustrating steps in tying each fly. Skip Morris’s books also have colored plates. Hope this helps Ron

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Master Angler shows each step on your computer screen, a how-to video and /or a printout of each step in book form. Yours or someone else’s — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

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: anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? : e-mail me if any please! Try a local bookstore. The shevles are loaded with them. If not that, try the library. Jon Porter

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Not learned from a book.  The young usually learn from the parents or other members of the hatch. anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Not learned from a book.  The young usually learn from the parents or other members of the hatch. anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Almost any fly tying manual will get you through the basics.   Besides, you do not need pretty flies to catch fish.  Everyone I know started by tying an excruciatingly ugly mutant bugger creature.  Everyone I know also caught fish with their first fly. Van Vliet’s "The Art of Fly Tying" is an attractive, comprehensive, and usefully illustrated book. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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writes: Hi Jerome,  Try ‘The Anglers Journal’ , Box 1427, Livingston, MT, 59047. A.J.Thramer

I second that. I just received a complimentary copy and am favorably impressed. Not glossy. Published by Bob Auger (Dupuy’s). I was surprised to see an article by our roff/rofft friend and frequent poster Al Beatty. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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The mailing address is  P.O. Box 40429, San Francisco, CA  94105. You can pick one up at most SF fly shops, though they often sell out.

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I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great

-SNIP- Hi Jerome, You can get a subscription to the California Fly Fisher which is a large format magazine (about the size of Computer Currents with glossy cover and newsprint interior)  about fishing in California.  Lots of good info. It’s published by Rich Anderson, but I don’t have his address handy.  It’s a monthly publication and you can pick up a copy at the Orvis store in SF or any of the fly shops in town.  Subscrciption information is always found inside.                          Good Fishing,                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Jerome,   Try ‘The Anglers Journal’ , Box 1427, Livingston, MT, 59047. A.J.Thramer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

Also "California Fly Fisher" Don Burns

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Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.  

Hi Jerome,    Pick up a copy of California Flyfisher at your local flyshop or call (415) 284-0313 and order one. You’ll probably subscribe. Not a very wizzy rag but from time to time flyfishing needs a bit more unwizzyness. -Ralph —

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Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states. Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/That’s odd.  I,m about as far east in the US as you can get, and think

all the major mags spend too much time on western rivers!! Maybe they do have amiddle ground perspective if we both think they are slanted.   I subscribe to all the majors, but my favorite (and most useful) National Mag is Fly Fisherman, but it maybe because they have an eastern slant, but I have issues where the only eastern reference is the postmark!  There are several western mags, and I’m sure one of the left coast regulars can provide you with the details. jg

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I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

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We are planning a warm weather bonefishing vacation for mid February.  My son and I want to try flyfishing for this great saltwater fish for the first time in a location that will provide good, relaxing beach time for my wife. I  know nothing about the possible seasonable impact on the quality of the fishing.  I am looking for help on where we should plan to go in February (Florida Keys, Bahamas, Carribean, Mexico?).  Please advise.

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You could try any of those locales,but at that time of year, the farther south you go the better your chances for good weather. I’d put my money on Belize, and again the farther south the better. Look into going to Placentia. Even if you have bad weather, you can always go up into the monkey river to fish and there are lots of diversions for non fishing people. The Bones are small but plentiful,and there are Tarpon and you can expect to see LOTS of Permit. If the weather is VERY good you can go out to the reef and catch just about anything. Phil

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All I saw were letters and numbers, though it did look like a big, long something. Can anyone post a simple recipe for receiving and viewing this file? Mark Vinsel Flyfishing as therapy – get in touch with your inner geezer.

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: But you didn’t miss much – just the typical hero shot – two guys each : holding a dead trout, with some big blond fishless dude (the guide?) in the : middle.. Sheesh… I hate it when I’m the "fishless dude".  At least I’m not a big blonde. Please, I hope we don’t all start posting pictures.  That has happened in almost every group I’ve been on…let’s hope we can avoid it here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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All I saw were letters and numbers, though it did look like a big, long something. Can anyone post a simple recipe for receiving and viewing this file? Mark Vinsel Flyfishing as therapy – get in touch with your inner geezer.

It was sent as a uuencoded file. If your newsreader has a "decode" function in it’s repertoire, once you’ve opened the post, find the decode button and give it a click. Otherwise, you need a uudecoder application (there are plenty of these in freeware residing in the usual locations). But you didn’t miss much – just the typical hero shot – two guys each holding a dead trout, with some big blond fishless dude (the guide?) in the middle.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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We are new to flyfishing in Colorado and are looking for a few suggestions as to what rivers or lakes are good and have public access.  Suggestions on patterns and sizes would also be helpful.   We are also looking into a trip to the Madison river in Montana later this summer and were wondering what other rivers we might try in Montana and Wyoming.  Again patterns and sizes would be helpful. We’ve just started reading this news group–sorry if these are redundant questions. Thanks in advance for the help, Greg Clemson Jennifer Marshall

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We are also looking into a trip to the Madison river in Montana later this summer and were wondering what other rivers we might try in Montana and Wyoming.

Don’t pass up the Green River in Utah, below the Flaming Gorge Dam!

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