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yours truly, boy lawyer and part-time papparazzi, will gladly send photos of the following clavers to their home addresses, if same are supplied via email:

Hell, Wayno, just post them to a web site.  (Ain’t no smiles on this one)

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Stan Gula sez: Hell, Wayno, just post them to a web site.  (Ain’t no smiles on this one)

Or, send ‘em to Stan and he’ll post them on a web site.  (smiley).

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Stan Gula sez: Hell, Wayno, just post them to a web site.  (Ain’t no smiles on this one) Or, send ‘em to Stan and he’ll post them on a web site.  (smiley).

Can do!

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        yours truly, boy lawyer and part-time papparazzi, will gladly send photos of the following clavers to their home addresses, if same are supplied via email: dave lacourse jeff miller waldo scott seidman willi tom littleton wolfgang frank reid peetah opie smilin joe stan gula joe axelrad handyman mike tony greg pavlov danno         yfitons         wayno

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   yours truly, boy lawyer and part-time papparazzi, will gladly send photos of the following clavers to their home addresses, if same are supplied via email: jeff miller

po box 3740 greenville nc 27836

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PO 3015 boone, nc 28607 thankee wayno…. btw, you had *all* the film developed?… how did yer portrait turn out? <g –waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         yours truly, boy lawyer and part-time papparazzi, will gladly send photos of the following clavers to their home addresses, if same are supplied via email: dave lacourse jeff miller waldo scott seidman willi tom littleton wolfgang frank reid peetah opie smilin joe stan gula joe axelrad handyman mike tony greg pavlov danno         yfitons         wayno

– Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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It’s Christmas time again….. Therefore, here is my Christmas greeting card for you, as you will find at the following address since posting binaries to non-binary newsgroups isn’t allowed: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f… PS.  For those who may remember my old Christmas greeting card that I      have used before on this newsgroup, just forget it! Cheers, Stig Arne Bye

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It’s Christmas time again….. Therefore, here is my Christmas greeting card for you, as you will find at the following address since posting binaries to non-binary newsgroups isn’t allowed: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f… PS.  For those who may remember my old Christmas greeting card that I      have used before on this newsgroup, just forget it!

Stunning photo. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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nice card…thanks, and best of the season to you too. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s Christmas time again….. http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f…

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Cheers G. (as I tip my ale). Natty

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It was a long trip home but the beautiful Piper Comanche put her nose into the wind and plowed ahead hour after hour, riding like a wild bronc over Butte Pass just west of Livingston Montana known for its rip-tide winds and rollers.  She bore down and crossed the main fury at 10,500 going west bound, settled down and then headed for the Anaconda-Pintler Wilderness mountains, along the central edge for refuge which was not to be.  I stretch out my left leg for relief and the new scars stretched in refrain.  My right leg was stretched all the way into the co-pilot side and the hours passed by, one by one. During those hours, high above my beautiful ragged Rockies I thought of the well wishers in Roff and the prayers that went with me and I can say to all, they were well answered.  I was coming home. The fuel and strong head winds were not going to allow Miss Blue to make it across the mighty Selway Wilderness, and so like a leaf from an oak the throttle was brought back, flaps lowered full bore and she came down like a rocket.  Naturally, the wind was out of the west and the Hamilton Airport runs north south for perfect cross-wind landing conditions. Lined up on a three mile final to runway 160 so as to get a feel for how much crab she was going to take and how much rudder, it was evident the right wing would be very low.  I kissed her down on the right gear which rode out the vicious cross-wind for over a thousand feet before Miss Blu found her footing and two wheels.  To get the weight on both gear a.s.a.p. I lifted the flaps and that planted her onto the runway with confidence.  So far, so good. Once again in the air and flying for over 10 hours, the remote callings of the Selway slid under my wings.  Gladys was snoozing to the drone of an engine that always sounded happy.  I began to think back about our operations and of the stress and concern I had for hers. I do know that under the anesthesia I slipped into the world of dreams and the fond wishes of many excepting one.  I have met some very unusual people in my lifetime, but this character is best described in the dream I had.  The good is I survived some very serious procedures.  The bad is the ill wishes extended that carried over into a chocolate/vanilla swirl of haziness. I slowly awoke from the Land of Oz.  The ugly part of not having control of one’s life, was over.  The Selway high meadows remained lush and green and an Elk lifted her head as her yearling trotted about confused.  The Comanche crossed the continental divide as I dialed in a little down trim for the long decent home. I cannot drive a vehicle for four weeks but I can tell everyone the operations were an amazing success.  I am very strong and fit and all my fly fishing doctors are very pleased with the results and with their patient.  There is a bonding that takes place between those that fly fish and who are doctors that fly fish also. I wish to thank each and every one of them and I wish to thank all of you who were at my bed side in thought and deeds.  It meant a lot. Believe me. Again, thank you all.   Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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"John Beowulf" wrote… Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull. Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters!

What did he catch it on? –Steve

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I think he was just dead weight, at the end of the line. PatK I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed.

Uhuh.  He  was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up! Dave LaCourse

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Dave LaCourse wrote Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Uhuh.  He  was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up!

The worst part is…he was buried alive! —                                                       -dnc-

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Peter Charles wrote I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased** but I’m sure he ended up as chum.

Ironic.  He started out as king.  I knew a morphological change occurred in the life cycle, but I didn’t think a species change was part of the deal. —                                                       -dnc-

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Nope.. concrete waders. That’s where Orvis got the idea for their ‘Bulletproof’ wader series. Herman  Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?

Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull.  Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters! -John

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I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?

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Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?

No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. — Charlie…

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No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.

I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Joe F.

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 Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.

wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn

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I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn

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I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**

but I’m sure he ended up as chum. Peter

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I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?

Was that the movie starring Jack Nicholson as Jimmy Hoffa? Excellent. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder….

_______  Tons of books but I’d like to be the first to steer you to "Matching The Hatch" by Ernest Schwiebert.  After that, I don’t care what you read. Mr.G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Was a great illustrator. I believe he’s dead. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Another classic is "Feather in the Breeze" Author J. Edson Leonard. Try it if you can find it. Maybe Amazon or Barns and Noble. It’s fiction with a lot of well written know how. Hugh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was a great illustrator. I believe he’s dead. Dave It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Pick up any book by Robert Travers,  Nick Lyons (my favorite) or John Gierach for a great existential "been there" flyfishing read. Try Mel Krieger’s book "The Essence of Flycasting" or Lefty Kreh’s most recent tome for a good "how to" book. — Randall S. Davis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks! It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too!

I have three recommendations for you, Mark. They may not be the best books of yearning to be there next to them, at least in terms of action, but they offer very thoughtful and well-written perspectives and reflections. * Ted Leeson – The Habit of Rivers. Very thoughtful and humorous book. Simplifying and reflecting on complex and important matters, without missing crucial elements. Very impressive! You may get a "why didn’t I think of that?"-feeling from it, combined with uncontrolled chuckles.. This guy knows how to work a pen. * W.D. Wheterell – One River More. A book that you’ll spend hours reading only to find yourself wondering where the hell all the pages went. Amazingly smooth flow of the book, and his observations and writing style really appealed to me. You might look at your own favorite river different after reading this. Different as in many-facetted with regard to contexts and perspectives, which you probably didn’t know you were missing.. * Harry Middleton – Rivers of Memory. A small book — could easily be mistaken for a pamphlet. Until it is opened and read, that is. Middleton is a genius in communicating descriptions of atmospheres and scenery the way he sees them. I’m reading this book now, and judging from the size of it, I expected spending an hour or two on it.. Not so, as I time and time again find myself re-reading paragraphs while my slow brain catches up with the true power concealed in his words. A one-word description: "Wow!" (a word of caution: English is not my mother tongue, and this probably affects my reading pace and understanding, and thus my preferences in writers, a great deal..) I don’t like Gierach much, at least not compared the books and authors listed above. Too monotonous in perspective and writing style for my taste. He does have his moments, by all means, but somehow, it just doesn’t strike that cord with me.. If you do love Gierach books, you’re in luck, because he sure writes a lot of them….. Hope this helps! — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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Grahm,    Read Trout Bum and View From Rat Lake.  He is a good writer and has only written one book that wasn’t excellent.  I enjoy his magazine articles too. Ernie Graham K. Jones wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would recommend anything written by John Gierach. I’ve read, just this fall, Sex, Death and Fly-Fishing, Dances with Trout, Another Lousy Day in Paradise and I am working on Standing in a River Waving a Stick when I can (not much lately). John’s writing really struck a cord with me, maybe it will for you as well. His books are a mix of the philosophy, technique, demographics and sociology of fly fishing. Graham

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Grahm,    Read Trout Bum and View From Rat Lake.  He is a good writer and has only written one book that wasn’t excellent.  I enjoy his magazine articles too. Ernie

Ernie;Which one might that be? I have read everything he has written and they were all good. The only thing wrong with reading Gierach is that it might lead you to experiment with bamboo, heroin is cheaper and maybe not as addictive. John Before you buy.

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Mark,  Two titles I would highly recommend:  A Flyfisher’s World by Nick Lyons and The Armchair Angler, an anthology edited by T. Brykczynski and D. Reuther.  Kerry Evans

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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I keep it on my coffee table….granted it is a great first book but it is large format, comic book style…… If anyone asks about flyfishing the can read it over coffee while you are slicing the cake (not very long) Well, it’s not exactly on the coffee table but it is in the living room along with my giant sized , reprint of the first issue of Superman. And if you don’t get it, you’ll always wonder about it now won’t ya? P.S. at the price, is there anything related to flyfishing you can get

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Hello Mark, I would recommend anything written by John Gierach. I’ve read, just this fall, Sex, Death and Fly-Fishing, Dances with Trout, Another Lousy Day in Paradise and I am working on Standing in a River Waving a Stick when I can (not much lately). John’s writing really struck a cord with me, maybe it will for you as well. His books are a mix of the philosophy, technique, demographics and sociology of fly fishing. Graham

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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I pretty much expect my fly to sink on the firts cast or two, to me it seems after the inital wetting then shaking off the water (via-false casting) the fly will then float. Good Luck.

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Herman,    I think Dry Shake is just powdered desiccant.  Once your fly gets wet or slimed wash it off, use your Dry Shake and blow the powder off of the fly. Then treat it with a good floatant.  This has a law of diminishing returns though and you will eventually have to change the fly. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found that Dry shake works great – for only a short time. Once dried, my fly is floating beautifully, after five minutes, it sinks like a stone. Goes Titanic, so to speak.. I quit using the stuff, use CDC flies mainly and dry them with with a flykerchief. Two false casts and ready to go.. Herman RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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I found that Dry shake works great – for only a short time. Once dried, my fly is floating beautifully, after five minutes, it sinks like a stone. Goes Titanic, so to speak.. I quit using the stuff, use CDC flies mainly and dry them with with a flykerchief. Two false casts and ready to go.. Herman RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L.

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Vern, I found Gink works best when allowed to dry completely.  This prevents the "sheen" on the water.  I also considered pre-coating my flys in the box before a trip but George recommended against it.  He says it can soften the hackles and make the dry flys less effective.  I have found that once a fly becomes really wet, applying Gink (or any floatant) seems to be ineffective.  I pat and blow dry (sling dry) the fly prior to re-coating.

I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Vern, I found Gink works best when allowed to dry completely.  This prevents the "sheen" on the water.  I also considered pre-coating my flys in the box before a trip but George recommended against it.  He says it can soften the hackles and make the dry flys less effective.  I have found that once a fly becomes really wet, applying Gink (or any floatant) seems to be ineffective.  I pat and blow dry (sling dry) the fly prior to re-coating. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I went to my local fly shop and bought a bottle of that famous stuff, "Gink."  On my way home I was hungry and decided to take my 4 year old to the IHOP.  As we were eating, I pulled out the little bottle from my shirt pocket. Popping the cap open I took a sniff.  There was no smell.  The bright yellow label was easy to read.  However, the information was uninformative and precocious as it claimed, "the most important product in any fly fisherman’s vest."  Though it might become the most important product in my vest, it isn’t yet. My four year old stabbed anther piece of egg with his fork as I poured a drop of Gink on the back of my hand.  It felt much like messuage oil.  It felt good on the back of my hand as I tried to rub it in.  It wouldn’t rub in.  The same amount of Gink remained on the back of my hand.  This is a good thing, I thought.  If it isn’t absorbed by my skin it becomes harder to effect my health. I pulled out two identical flies that I just bought at "Clearwater," my local fly shop and placed a little Gink on one fly.  The water glass was half empty so I poured a little water into an empty coffee cup and placed both flies on the water.  Both flies floated.  There was no difference. Okay, but what if the fly hits a little turbulence or pulled under water for a second or two?  Taking a toothpick, I pushed each one under water for exactly ten seconds.  Now, they both sunk.  I thought to my self, what good was this stuff?  Maybe, it wasn’t a fare test. I continued eating and cut the rest of my boy’s pancakes into bite size pieces.  After a short time, I decided to give Gink another test.  I dropped a single drop into the coffee cup of water.  I noticed that it stayed in one ball and then turned cloudy.  I took and touched the drop of Gink.  It had hardened.  I tried to sink the Gink, but it kept popping up to the surface. The little drop of Gink was very resilient and would not sink.  Something was definitely in this little bottle that floats. That’s when I noticed it.  A faint oily film hovered in the surface of water.  I don’t know what this stuff is, but it couldn’t be good for our rivers. I was now more intrigued than before.  I tore two small pieces of napkin and put Gink on one of them.  I then put both in the water and tried to sink them.  The piece of napkin without Gink instantly absorbed water, became soft, and sank.  The Gink piece of napkin wouldn’t sink, even after making a whirlpool and poking it several times.  However, the piece of napkin with Gink was stiff. Let’s try the flies one more time, I thought.  I put Gink on one more fly and performed the same test.  Again, the fly sunk even after holding it under water for one second.  Well, it didn’t completely sink.  The fly hovered at the top of the water just under the surface.  It was not on top of the water, it was under the water. I don’t know what this all means.  I’m going to have to try this Gink stuff Monday when go fishing on a new river, well new for me. Vern

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids… …showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

Actually, I think I followed that thread just fine, thank you. But as long as your digging for worms: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired: – Jim claimed he caught and released around 30 lakers and walleye. – TBone claimed "With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom." (fwiw, clearly TBone’s unsubstantiable claim pertains to Walleye – not lakers, but I’ll let your error slide). – You chimed in with: " Well, Tim, if one uses the [blah blah blah], we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30" If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits. Respectfully, /daytripper

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Nit2: I have caught many large pike and in my experience they are among the most fragile fish I have ever caught. They have absolutely no stamina, and once beaten, readily go belly up. It takes great effort to revive them, and I have found that they need the most careful handling of any species I have wanted to release.

Exactly my experience. The toothy things have one and only one good run in them and then display all the fighting power and fishing fun of a water soaked log. I caught a 52" pike on a 5wt while fishing for smallmouth bass from a canoe. Damn thing took me into the backing but by the time I hauled his carcass up to the boat he was 99% dead. — Ken Fortenberry

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Jim writes:Lake trout (Salvelinus namaycush) are members of the Char family.

…yes, and as such, like brook trout, are considered salmonids. However, my basic point is not semantics. I wanted to actually point out a study of effects upon released fish. The study dealt with salmonids, but I have a feeling that the hypoxia effects of removing a fish from water for even minute amounts of time is pretty consistent for most fishes. FWIW, if you use a technique whereby the fish is released without lifting from the water, your survival rate should have been much higher. My position on C&R has always been responsible practice,combining good release technique and restraint from overfishing.                           Tom Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Daytripper feels obliged to add: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired:

let’s see now…Tim commented re:walleye, wondered about Macks(i.e. Lakers to the western types). Then, I responded about salmonid data(i.e Lakers). Where am I reading impaired? It seems some of you folks need to sling mud just to free your heads from your derrieres….. to wit: If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits.

Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear. finally: Respectfully,

sure, Daytripper, respectfully, my ass!                             T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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J Powlesland replies: Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Everytime he is asked to prove the claim, he quietly disappears from the thread.

Yes, and your point is?                                    T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Jon Cook writes: Nit1: Char are in the salmonid family. Lake trout are salmonids.

Thanks, Jon,  I was starting to think they had changed things since I got out of grad school, listening to these other folks jumping on me……                          T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear.

No, you clearly did not. But I see you tread water with the best of them ;^) Still respectfully (and I know nothing about your ass) /daytripper

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

…showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts.

correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said". BTW, I have had more than one difference of opinion with Tim, yet have generally learned something from most debates with him. That is because he tends to cite factual data, which while open to interpretations different from his, offer a jumping-off point for intelligent discourse. The alternative, of course, is to limit the discussion to the kind of personal assault crap into which you, Jim, have jumped with both feet. Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Geez!                                Tom Littleton

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts. correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said".

I promised myself that I’d stay out of this but just can’t quite restrain myself.  As much as I tried to fool myself into believing that Tim didn’t actually mean exactly what he wrote, he’s made his position clear many times since then.  He believes that fish have rights and has stated that he would vote for legislative ballots that would establish those rights. Given the situation with AR-loons and fishermen in Germany it should be blatantly obvious the foolishness that results. Whether or not Tim fishes or how he justifies the morality/immorality of the act of fishing matters not to me.  Any purported fisherman who would support AR activists in their campaign to grant fish rights is quite frankly a danger to the future of fishing and I have to question their motives. You’ve got my $0.02 and now I’m outta here,      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season.   Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland     Tel: 058 60235    Fax: 058 60162 Website:  http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing?

[snip] But of course… Menu Du Peche Breakfast 7:30 in the rod room Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Lunch 12:00 Streamside Bier Dinner 30 minutes after blackness du noir Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Pattie Du Weinees (or #11 Hamburger with two franks on top) Chips la Bag Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? [snip] But of course…

What is really needed here is someone with an appreciation of fine food, guest care, and staff management.  I could possibly be persuaded to take over the kitchen with the right inducement.  First, a trial. Two weeks at your lodge, you pay airfare from Washington D.C.  You provide the fly rods and flys for off hours entertainment.  I get to hire the Sous Chef from Sweden.  I just must have a tall blond Scandinavian woman under me.  What do the upstairs maids look like? Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I love salmon fishing and I can cook fishing fanatics anyway you want! "Mr" DB Jones ‘Is a fate worse than death better than dying?’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season. Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland     Tel: 058 60235    Fax: 058 60162 Website:  http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Speaking of dinner, last night was trout burritos, thanks to Jon Ernst for the idea.

This sounded so good, I looked it up w/ Deja News to get the recipe.   It was originally posted before I began reading ROFF, so I’m glad you mentioned it again.   Thanks Jon & Jon! Joe F. (There’s no such thing as too much garlic.)

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[deleted] Caught around 30 a day. Released the vast majority. Brought back 3 lakers and 3 walleye though. All about 24 inches in length.

With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom.  What depth were you trolling ?  How about with the Macks ? Wake up, idiot. Timbo doesn’t catch fish, let alone eat them. He is an AR-loon with an anti-fishing agenda

I just love it when you get all pouty !  Are you wearing that Teddy I sent you ? XXXOOO’s — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Tim W writes( in response to Jim Powlesland’s claim of 30 lakers and walleyes a day released): With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom.  What depth were you trolling ?  How about with the Macks ?

Well, Tim, if one uses the anoxia studies of Drs. Tufts and Ferguson, published in 1995 in the Nova Scotia Salmon Assn newsletter, as well as a couple of professional Biology Journals, we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30, unless ‘ol Jim managed to get them out of the boat and back to the water in under 30 seconds, which they cite as the onset point of severe hypoxia in larger salmonids. A letter citing this study appeared in this months Flyfishing Guide(for you Easterners). The letter was a call to enlightened fishing by Andrew Gennaro, a veteran and well-regarded New Jersey angler. The letter in its entirety would be well worth many of the more ardent C&R advocate’s reading.                                 Tom Littleton

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[snip] That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30

Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

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Well part of his deluded online support group anyway.<

Hmmm.  Back yard dogs, maybe?  As oppossed to junk yard dogs, that is.  <g

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 How about with the Macks ? What the heck are "Macks"?

It appears that Americans west of the Mississipi refer to lake trout as mackinaws.  Tim’s upset cuz he’s the Mack Daddy. Mu

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

No.  I’d like to see it though.  That has become one hot light tackle fishery.  Since most people don’t like the false albacore, it is also a catch and release fishery, which will certainly help sustain the stocks as the popularity increases. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Yes.  It usually happens in April.  Worry not, I will be catching them! Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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   Congrats Jeff !!!!   Have fun Mike G.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

I paid a fair price to the dealer in my area that was most helpful. Amazingly, I was able to negotiate a deal without knowing dealer invoice, blue book value, and wholesale cost.  If you are serious about prices, I suggest calling some dealers in your area for some quotes.  Tell me what they are quoting, and I will give you my opinion on that price.   Scout makes boats up to 20′ in center console, dual console, side console, and flats style.  They are at www.scoutboats.com. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

Good guess, Skipper.  I got a dual axle trailer, and the boat is closer to 20′ than 19′ (19′ 10" LOA). Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff

Congrats indeed, Jeff!  It always seems that the first year or two, when you’re busy turning the boat into what you want it to be, are the most enjoyable.  We just switched and there’s all the usual redoing to change the obviously stupid decisions the manufacturer and previous owners made to the One True Path of Righteousness (and humility???) Enjoy!

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Anyone out there have any experience using the Richardson Chest Fly Box? I currently fish using a chest pack (I hate vests), but it’s too big, heavy and bulky and interferes with my od handling. The chest box system looks very light, simple and compact. I was hoping someone might share their experiences using one. Thanks. Dave McCarty "We are all alike in our promises. It is only in our deeds that we differ." – Moliere

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 :bulky and interferes with my od handling. The chest box system Interested to hear more about your "od handling"!! Peter Kay

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Anyone out there have any experience using the Richardson Chest Fly Box?

I have a small Richardson Fly Box, it has two drawers.  I use it mainly while fishing trout  ponds. I also have an F.O.W. box, four drawer model, that I use on streams. Of the two – the F.O.W. Box is much better made.  The fit and finish, if you will, far out shine that of the  Richardson.   The F.O.W. box is simply much better made.  I would recommend them over the Richardson. Another company that you might look at is the Downs Fly Box.  It is plastic, but has some interesting features, like being able to change drawers and is very affordable.  They have a WWW site too. A.G.W. Manchester, NH

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I was wondering about Flies On Water? Can anyone tell me how to reach them and get a catalog. I’ve seen the Downstream Chest Box site, but the plastic boxes just don’t appeal to me. I do like the idea, though, of having preloaded boxes and just switching them using a removeable hinge pin. Thanks.

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Anyone out there have any experience using the Richardson Chest Fly Box? I currently fish using a chest pack (I hate vests), but it’s too big, heavy and bulky and interferes with my od handling. The chest box system looks very light, simple and compact. I was hoping someone might share their experiences using one. Thanks. Dave McCarty "We are all alike in our promises. It is only in our deeds that we differ." – Moliere I have used a Richardson four tray box for years and like it very much. The flies are right in front of you…the trays fold out horizontal…less chance of dropping flies in the water…and no chance of dropping the fly box into the water (can be a real problem in cold weather). It is much quicker and more efficient than searching through your vest for the right fly box.  You can (and probably will!) carry more flies then you will ever need. I still seem to need something else (vest, fanny pack) to carry stuff like lunch, raingear, tippet material, etc. Sometimes it does seem like overkill and I am trying to cut down what I carry with me, but it is hard for me to do as I feel that whatever I leave behind I will need that day! Larry

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I was wondering about Flies On Water? Can anyone tell me how to reach them and get a catalog. I’ve seen the Downstream Chest Box site, but the plastic boxes just don’t appeal to me. I do like the idea, though, of having preloaded boxes and just switching them using a removeable hinge pin. Thanks.

        You can get info on the Richardson Boxes from Flyfisher’s Paradise in State College PA.  Contact them at (814) 234-4189 John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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I’m interested in fishing from a kayak and have seen ads from a California company that makes a molded plastic catamaran-style kayak they claim is "designed for fishermen."  Anyone have any experience with Mendocino Kayaks? Obviously I’d like something that paddles easily, is relatively stable, light-weight and car-toppable.  I’d welcome comments and suggestions.

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I currently own an Ocean Kayak malibu II, I love it. Its a two seater so maybe a single for you? The "sit on top" kayaks are real stable to fish from , which is my main reason for my purchacing one. I dont know your type of fishing, mine is fly fishing salt water flats and channels.Maybe this will help. Good luck mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in fishing from a kayak and have seen ads from a California company that makes a molded plastic catamaran-style kayak they claim is "designed for fishermen."  Anyone have any experience with Mendocino Kayaks? Obviously I’d like something that paddles easily, is relatively stable, light-weight and car-toppable.  I’d welcome comments and suggestions.

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