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Would like to get some email conversation going with someone about fishing NC coast for False Albacore and/ or Blue’s. rgill — How very simple life would be if only there were two of me A restless me to drift and roam a quiet me to stay at home.                    from "The Double Life" by Don Blanding

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Have you seen my website yet?  check out http://www.flyfish-nc.com/albiechapter.html   and   http://www.flyfish-nc.com/oct99.html My site has more info on flyfishing for fat alberts than anywhere you will find.

Would like to get some email conversation going with someone about fishing NC coast for False Albacore and/ or Blue’s. rgill — How very simple life would be if only there were two of me A restless me to drift and roam a quiet me to stay at home.                    from "The Double Life" by Don Blanding — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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OK weevee66.  You wanna fish for trout and smallmouth or are shad, carp, largemouth, catfish and other trash fish your main quarry?  When were you born and what is your real name?  Many of us posted brief Bios awhile back. Care to do the same?  Send me a private e-mail with a detailed listing of all your best secret fishing holes and we will talk.  I’m just outside of Fredericksburg. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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I am looking for a lightweight single canoe for fly fishing.  Any recommendations? THANKS

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I caught one last week with a Shakespear floating line rig. I am sorry to say that the sucker wiggled away when he paddled backwards and I wasn’t expecting it. Chuck Creekmore – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a lightweight single canoe for fly fishing.  Any recommendations? THANKS

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Paul An excellent boat for fly fishing would be a Pungo made by Wilderness Systems.  This is actually a recreational kayak but is real stable and many fly fisherman swear by them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a lightweight single canoe for fly fishing.  Any recommendations? THANKS

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Paul, Check out Mohawk canoes – the Solo model looks great to me. Also – the Old Town Pack may work for you – perhps it may be more stable for fly fishing than the Mohawk Solo. I haven’t paddled either, though am trying to, and considering one of them for purchase. Good luck!! Lou – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a lightweight single canoe for fly fishing.  Any recommendations? THANKS

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Try a Mohawk 14′ Challenger, lts a good boat to fish out of and you can even do some whitewater in it. I got one and I like it.

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Sawyer makes a nice 13′ solo boat that would work well.  They make it in several layups.  The least expensive layup is the Solo 13 which is the heaviest layup at 46 pounds but is the cheapest listing at $575.  The same boat in kevlar or a lighter fiberglass layup is called the Classic.  I own a Solo 13.  It is a nice paddling solo.  It was designed by the same guy that designed the Wildfire/Flashfire and Starfire for Bell.  The Bell boats are beautiful but more expensive.  The Flashfire looks to be a refined Solo 13 that has been designed for a little more experienced paddler and would have a little higher performance with the sacrafice of a little of the initial stability.

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

Hi Joe, A 1498 was the biggest Medalist and was for rods from #9 and larger. It might have a shooting head on it? If you pull it off for about 20 feet you will notice that it is either a level line or has a front taper for the first 6 to 12 feet. This means that it is a tapered line and if it is a light color, then it is probably a floating line. At about 30 plus feet, but before 40′, it gets smaller again, then it is a weight forward. If it stays large for more that 40 feet it is probably a double taper. If you go  back to about 20 feet from the front and measure the diameter with a micrometer, you can get a pretty good idea what size it is. If I remember right, about ~0.048" is a 5 weight floater?  Email me some more info or put it on the group and we can determine what it is. PS: If that is an old Pflueger that was made in the USA and is in good condition, it would be great for some heavier fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Sorry to hammer the point one more time…… It’s NOT the LAST 30′ (unless of course its a double taper, in that case you can weigh either end) It’s the FIRST 30′ ( the end you tie your leader to,……. but don’t weigh the leader!) David

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David, First and last is not a good description because either end can be first or last depending on whether you are talking about going on or coming off the real.  The end you tie your leader to is a meaningful description. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry to hammer the point one more time…… It’s NOT the LAST 30′ (unless of course its a double taper, in that case you can weigh either end) It’s the FIRST 30′ ( the end you tie your leader to,……. but don’t weigh the leader!) David

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Joe, all the handling characteristics of a fly line are determined by the line’s plastic coating. Based on what we’ve seen with Cortland’s LazerLine, I’d have to guess that good ‘printability’ and good handling are not common in the same line. I’d expect the 1498 to be spooled with 7wt or higher. Try casting it on an 8wt rod and see how it feels at 30 feet.

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Thanks for correcting my error Don and Dave all the rest of the sharp eyed readers, that’s what happens when you buy a cheap keyboard. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thirty years of experience suggests either it is not simple or there is insufficient market demand. Weigh the last 30" of the line. That should be the last 30′ (not ") excluding taper. Most people find it easier to try the line on a rod of known type and see how it feels. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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 Weigh the last 30" of the line. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

I think Ernie means " the FIRST 30 FEET" David

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Hi: I had a similar problem when I found a full shoting head when steelhead fishing last winter.  I took into my local fly shop to see if they could help.  The owner simply weighed the line and checked a catalogue he had to identify the weight.  Give this a try. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Weigh the last 30" of the line. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step.

Thirty years of experience suggests either it is not simple or there is insufficient market demand. Weigh the last 30" of the line.

That should be the last 30′ (not ") excluding taper. Most people find it easier to try the line on a rod of known type and see how it feels. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

Send me your shipping address and I’ll send you a bottle of PZ Line Dressing.   This is A MUST!  Do not attempt to cast this line until you dress it with PZ and get the placticizers back into the plastic coating. After you do this, you simply need to put it on a six weight fly rod which is the average weight used today and try it. Next, after you determine the weight fly rod the fly line is designed for, (and many times you can tell by when you have the fly line stretched out between ’stops’ so you can clean and recondition it.  (Let it set over night so the dressing has time to work before whipping it down and reloading it on the reel) Take an Indelable Marker Pen and a foot above the butt section ON the fly line, (if it is a seven weight for example) put a wide marker band for the number 5 and two narrow dot bands for the number one and then two add up to SEVEN.  I will try and use this key board to show you an example:  ___ _ _  = #7 WT  ___ _  = #6 WT   ___ = #5 WT  _ _ _ _ = #4 Wt Going the other way:  ___ _ _ _ = #8 WT If you want to remember if it is a DT or a WF fly line you can simply assume it is a double taper unless it has, six inches up the line another mark   _  to indicate Weight Forward because the extra mark is forward of your line wt.code. As you may well know, marking pens have a wide felt tip and a pointed one. But you get the idea and frankly, if you do this from now on, it is a system that will never let you down. Hope you like it.

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  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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McAfee’s Fly Shop, Anchorage Mountain View Sports, Anchorage Valley Rod Shop, Wasilla Beyond that you can get some odds and ends stuff at most of the hardware, groceriy, and outdoor shops. In Talkeetna, Steve Mahay at Mahay’s Riverboat Service supports the fly fishing crowd and usually has some supplies. Always a good spot for info. You should also check out the Alaska Flyfishers web site at www.akflyfishers.org They have a flyfishing forum section where you can post questions and get answers to probably most of your questions. Lance Hankins I have nothing against Golf. I suspect it keeps legions of the Unworthy from discovering fly fishing… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

try "50 Hikes in Central Washington"  published by The Mountaineers. -p — Rural Health Research Center, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.  Don’t know about hiking there, but for fishing, try Dry Falls Lake.  It is the epicenter of the massive flooding that we had in the area in the last couple of million years.  It is a geologic mecca.  This lake is very well protected and is not stocked — no motors at all, barbless hooks, and a one fish limit.  It is prime for canoes/kayaks/float tubes.  I’ve taken some large trout there. Do not take an inflatible raft or inflatible kayak there — the winds can get you big time.  I have an entire gut wrenching/leach infested arms/ lost gear story about that.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Dave, I spent 5 years at CWU in E-burg and enjoyed the solitude provided on the Tanum (ridge) and especially behind the airport on the Monashtash.  For fishing (and duck hunting)  I used to go across the Vantage bridge toward George and attend to the "potholes".  The Yakima river was always a great resource and fishing was often good (back in the 60’s and 70’s).   All in all, Ellensburg is a great jumping off point.  I have only good memories of the place.  Perhaps someone can provide trail info for you but I just bushwacked in the low brush forest.  Careful though if you do that.  It’s easy to get lost in this country. Bill BTW, the road up to Monashtash used to go through toward Wenachee but even in the 60’s it was a poor wagon road.  It may be one fantastic trail by now.  You should smell the aroma on a warm spring day!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Try the Greewater River off Hwy 410.  The end of the road trailhead offers a well-marked trail paralleling a 20′ – 30′ wide river ideal for fly-fishing.   Jeffrey Olson

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Hi Dave, Please tell us your definition of "Central Washington".  Do you mean the goegraphic center of the state east of Wenatchee, or do you include the Central Cascades?  If you include the Central Cascades, I suggest you pick up a copy of "100 Hikes in the Alpine Lakes".  It is published by the Mountaineers and contains info on many great dayhikes and backpack trips in the area (the Cascades Mountains between I-90 and Hwy. 2). Also, if your range extends a little farther north, there is another volume, "100 Hikes in the Glacier Peak Region". Kerry

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.

Hey, Gary….there’s over 1 million people in eastern Washington.  Is that your definition of desolate??

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Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other.  I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder:  A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior),  lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of  others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety  of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following:   (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil-       iation(even if not expressed)   (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to       achieve his own ends   (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates       achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special"       without appropriate achievement   (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be       understood only by other special people   (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,       brilliance, beauty, or ideal love   (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of       especially favorable treatment   (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps       fishing for compliments   (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how       others feel   (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy I hope you get the help you need. Tz p.s.  I forgotten more than you know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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Fuck you. both my parents are narcissists, and they do quite well. You must love yourself first. As far as your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other.  I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder: A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior), lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following:  (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil-      iation(even if not expressed)

true  (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to      achieve his own ends

totally  (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates      achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special"      without appropriate achievement

I have achieved, much, motherfucker  (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be      understood only by other special people

true  (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,      brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

yup  (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of      especially favorable treatment

yup  (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps      fishing for compliments

true  (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how      others feel

WRONG.  Fuck you.  (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy

because I’m envied by many–I envy myself sometimes, like yesterday. I hope you get the help you need.

I hope you stop judging individuals; you don’t know me; my cyberpersona and me, that is me me me, is different.  I’m too cool in person.  Fits your dx, eh? Tz p.s.  I forgotten more than you know.

Fuck you.  My bet: your a 30 year old virgin.  You write and analyze like some ugly faced fuck who’s never gotten laid, much less received the love of someone beautiful. Bet my last cent, your face is ugly, you are not attractive, and therefore you are a bitter person who has only resorted to masturbation for sex.  maybe in your next life… Oh, fuck you again, maybe that’ll help you get some. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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I’m just saying 2 things here: 1) If it’s a general isue, PLEASE try the search engines 1st as not to make every week here a series f questions that has been askd and answered in 3 threads already this year; 2) DO NOT ASSUME FACTS NOT STATED–this leads to weak inductive reasoning, then misunderstanding, and ultimately bitchy posts like mine whining about the situation. I’ve said my piece, bad punctuation, grammar, spelling and all–I’m just trying to keep the group sharp and lean and thoughtful, not dull, plodding and assuming. I know I’m not so smart; many of the genius types, as Brian, and experienced one as Roy 47 and still Bipolar, John K, and Sir James have far more to offer in their life experience than I. However, this reasonibg by assuming "fill in the facts that aren’t there" must go to keep this a worthy and exciting group. To you I offended–that was not my intention; my intention is stated above. love to all, Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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There was a post a week or so back discussing using Albolene as a dry fly floatant, but some question as to what Albolene actually is and where to find it. After searching a number of drugstores I finally found a jar of it in an independent drugstore (one of the Mutual drugs).   It cost me about $8.50 for a 12 oz jar/can of unscented Albolene.   I found it in the makeup section and it’s actually a skin cleaner for removing makeup, etc. The ingredient list shows: mineral oil, petrolatum (the same stuff that’s in Petrolium Jelly or Vaseline), paraffin, ceresin (?), and carotene. It really is pretty scentless and about the consistency of Vaseline.  The label says it liquefies on contact with your skin. I plan on carrying small amounts in the used plastic film canisters that Kodak 35mm film comes in.  At that rate 12 oz. looks like a lifetime supply of Albolene! Haven’t tried the stuff out on a fly yet, but will follow up later after trying it.  If it works as well as previous posts indicate it’s pretty economical compared to commercial fly floatants. Tight lines.

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There was a post a week or so back discussing using Albolene as a dry fly floatant, but some question as to what Albolene actually is and where to find it.

I’m not sure what its original intentions were but my mom used to put Albolene on my burns.  Kind of an old fashioned aloe vera is my best guess. Let us know how it works as a floatant. Tom

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Hi Jim I used Abolene for years as a dry fly floatant.  I can’t tell the difference between it and Gink.  The only problem (and the reason I started making my own) is that it turns to liquid (like Gink does) on a hot day. It still float a fly well but you can sure make a mess on you vest or shirt if you happen to spill it. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?

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who cares ?

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 who cares ?

One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

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writes:  who cares ? Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

Snags and bottom-feeders. — -Wayne Trzyna

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writes:  who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

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Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.

When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is: a self-serving, evil man. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Newt may not be the smoothest of  characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.  When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich  has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is:  a self-serving, evil man.  –  -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne, are you discribing Newt or Rush? It’s not the selling of Public Lands that concern me as much as a possible roll-back of the clean air act that will effect both Public and Private Fisheries. Misha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University Why don’t you girls take this CRAP to the proper forum…this isn’t the place for petty politics.

Moreover, it isn’t the place for sexist comments.  Have some respect, Donald. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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what was said

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Face it,  if we are going to "hog tie", Hillbilly Bill would only have stumps remaining for extremities!!  Mr. Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.    We may not all agree with the decisions being made concerning the environment but more can be done on a grass roots level to maintain our rivers than anything our now bankrupt Uncle Sam could or can ever do!

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Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

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 Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the  truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt  flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

Grenades into the Hatcheries is more like it.. A Pinko-Liberal Misha

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Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

I hope this time you forgot about catch and release. I expect that Gingrich was looking to dynamite some trout, before anyone could complain about his PAC donors dumping cyanide-laced mine tailings in the creek.  Anybody who can make Bob Dole appear a decent human being by comparison IS all bad. Catch and do the right thing,                                 Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

db, Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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the fisherman expressed his displeasure with Newt.  He stated that Newt is mean spirited.  He also stated that the water he was fishing in would be poluted soon if the the "clean water" standards proposed by Newt’s buddies is passed.  Sounds fair to me.      Newt was a gentleman.  His response " He obviously is not from new Hampshire.  I hope that he catches some fish."      He was a teacher from Vermont.

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: I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich : was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got : an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?    He was a Pinko-Liberal teacher from Vermont who’s afraid of the TRUTH.   Tallyho !   Alphs Kilo

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I think the puke was on the bank, not in the river…..

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

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I care.  Newt was instrumental in pushing HR961, the Dirty Water Bill through the house.  He needed an earfull and more……

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All this talk of newt makes me dis-in-Gingriched… Dan Foster

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

Did the guy get out of the river to say it, or is yelling over water better ?   Harry

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 who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

I believe this event happened up on the Androscoggin in Errol, between the Gauge House pool (below the Errol Dam) and the Rt 26 bridge (one of my favorite stretches to spend an afternoon going after ‘bows, browns, and landlockers). The honors went to a  flyfisher from Vermont (figures – it surely wouldn’t have been anyone from Cow Hampster – who’d likely not bother to stop fishing long enough to give a Newt the time of day ;^)… When I read this story I couldn’t help but smile… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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 Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain  pond a few weeks back!

You should have placed him on a hook. You may not have caught anything, but the satisfaction of putting Newt on a hook would have been worth it.;-) But then Newts are a protected species isn’t it? Tight Lines Misha

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: dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the : bottom… : Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need : it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom : periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for : nymphing. Ditto. This set-up has worked great here in Colorado.

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what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any suggestions? Frankie

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dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the

bottom… Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for nymphing.

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You may want to take a look at a Teeny Nymph line.  Fantastic! Robert < Robert  <

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I agree wholeheartedly

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: what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the : bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where : the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any : suggestions? : Frankie         I haven’t tried every line on the market, but I had a lot of success using the Teeny Lines. For your particular case I can mention two line types:                 – T series (T130-7200) for 5-8 Wt Lines. They have a long sinking Tip (maybe some 25 feet) and they sink extremely fast.                 – Mini Tip. This line uses a 5 feet sinking section allowing a good nymph fishing.         If the stream your are going after isn’t more than feet deep I suggest you use the Mini-Tip. Otherwise, I would highly recommend one of the T-Series Lines (for your situation I think the T-130 is better).         I just looked on my Dan Bailey’s Catalog and saw:                         T-130 : $49.95                         Mini-Tip : $47.95                                                 ( 209 West Park St.                                                   PO BOX 1019                                                   Livingston, Montana                                                   59047-1019  ) THANKS GOD FOR FLY FISHING!!!!                                         RODRIGO SANDOVAL

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