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I’ll be going to Thompson Falls Montana within the nex t two weeks to pilot a logging helicopter.  We usually work from 5:30 am until about 3:00 PM, depending upon the winds.  This leaves me a lot of time to fly fish. Does anyone know a good place to fish for flies in and around Thompson Falls Montana? Mike

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 Does anyone know a good place to fish for flies in and around Thompson Falls Montana? Mike

just build up a good body sweat and stand in the woods just about anywhere, and you’ll catch plenty of flies.  don’t believe that old honey/vinegar story. <G jeff (lord of the flies)

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I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott

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fished the missouri today. big browns! it is open we think all is well. there were lots of fires this summer that got in the way. check out the little blackfoot. primo west throat cut throat territory. littleblackfootriverretreat.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Water temperatures are fine on our side of the divide (high 50’s) and the rivers are NOT closed (except maybe the Missouri, haven’t heard whether they reopened that one or not). We have had cool weather and decent rain. The governor did lift the restrictions but we are still at level IV, which means NO campfires, stoves, etc. except in developed designated campgrounds. With more rain that will get better. Fishing should be fantastic although everybody and his uncle will be out there now that we can fish again (after a month of NO FISH). Have fun. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022 I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

Brian good to hear the water temps have dropped and the rivers ARE open.  A buddy of mne was doing some business out toward Superior so he checked out the river along the frontage road…he said it was boiling!  The cool weather and overcast skies sure help alot. Maybe this weekend I forget about selling trees and shrubs and head for the river!

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Water temperatures are fine on our side of the divide (high 50’s) and the rivers are NOT closed (except maybe the Missouri, haven’t heard whether they reopened that one or not). We have had cool weather and decent rain. The governor did lift the restrictions but we are still at level IV, which means NO campfires, stoves, etc. except in developed designated campgrounds. With more rain that will get better. Fishing should be fantastic although everybody and his uncle will be out there now that we can fish again (after a month of NO FISH). Have fun. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

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I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott

Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

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after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Hi John, What kind of flies and how do you fish for the mullet? aloha, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

My thoughts exactly regarding line catching.  Heck, for years, they were considered the worst of trash fish, from Mississippi around and down, even to the point of racial slurs.  Plus, in oyster season (cold weather), keep a few, gut them and slow smoke them head-on, bone-in over a hickory or equivilent (fruitwoods aren’t my favorite here) fire.  Then flake the flesh (no skin) and mix with cream cheese (about 1 to 1), Lea and Perrin (Worchestershire), thyme, salt, pepper, and lemon juice, and serve with Melba, Carr’s, or other firmer crackers and cold dry white wine. Yum, boy… R

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

here you go. The answer is neutral density. as you know mullet sift through sand and mud,and get their heads down to feed,and this is also true of our golden grey mullet. these fish operate on the very edge of the tide,sometimes in 5-6 inches of water,so you actually cast back to the shore,from maybe 75 feet,so as not to spook the fish or shoal. the fly is cast approx 5-6 feet in front of the feeding pattern, and this is something which is learned,as on different tides the fish often take different routes toward shore. but to cut a very long story short,a well presented fly in the size 10 and smaller size range is best. Bent back,and using a basically dusky dirty pink,body of wool,with plastic bead chain eyes,and with a trigger colored tail. i cannot really get more specific at this stage,but presentation,seems more important than shape,and color seems to be a factor also. in water thats less than 6 feet a red tail is effective,but in very shallow water a lime green tail is king. throughout the year,i`ll get the patterns standardised and publish them. along with the techniques required foer each fly. I know you americans loathe the mullet somewhat,but they are indeed a worthy quarry,in fact as hard to catch as any permit. I know,cause i`ve caught both,and they can be very very frustrating. — Keith.

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

Well, maybe I misunderstood Mr Popp, but when I’ve caught them or seen them caught, it was by accident while fishing for something else.  I have no idea, other the a cast net, (when we want a couple to smoke ourselves ((Rather than buying)), we’ll carry a net while floundering) what one would use SPECIFICALLY to catch them.  I guess use a shrimp or streamer and pretend you’re after redfish or striped bass….a bone pattern and pretend you’re after bones….<G? R

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good advice SNIPPED for bw.. I know you americans loathe the mullet somewhat,but they are indeed a worthy quarry,in fact as hard to catch as any permit. I know,cause i`ve caught both,and they can be very very frustrating. — Keith.

I’ll be damned!  I know of many old-timers that would be (be)mused…Fly-fishing specifically for mullet…hey, fishing is fishing, and this sounds fun, plus you can eat the catch…The only thing I can add is the above-mentioned pretense of being after game fish, as that usually insures at least one or two…<G.   One thought, however, is possible that we are talking about different species of fish?  I know of white and striped, but not golden, plus your mention of "hard to catch as any permit."  Your "mullet" isn’t some form of Pompano, is it? TC, R

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Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E.

Ah,yes you can catch mullet like this,but is it really fly fishing ?. i think not. you could also toss a hand grenade at the mullet,and stun them,walk on over and scoop them up in your hand. Unfortunatly,this would not be too much fun,for me or the mullet. I`m actually taking a purists view,that fly caught fish should be just that.Fly caught without the assistance of chum,or any other aid. One rod,one fly,one fish. At least thats the way i like to do it. Also in no way would i compare the fighting qualities to that of bonefish. i was refering to the habits of the fish. but then again,on the right gear,which seems to be a 6#wt outfit,they display fine fighting ability. Its like comparing a stock rainbow trout that weighs 8lb,and last saw a man feeding it trout pellets,to the wild rainbow of the mountain stream that weighs only 2lb. ask yourself which would be the better and most rewarding catch ?. Thats why i choose to flyfish in saltwater here.Its never been done on my doorstep,and its all a new and very rewarding experience,no matter what the species. — Keith.

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Want to catch mullet on a fly without chuming? There’s a way to do that too. It’s much more challenging than the bread ball trick. Ask (better yet, hire) Capt. Steve Kantner from the Fort Lauderdale area. He’s the expert. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E. Ah,yes you can catch mullet like this,but is it really fly fishing ?. i think not. you could also toss a hand grenade at the mullet,and stun them,walk on over and scoop them up in your hand. Unfortunatly,this would not be too much fun,for me or the mullet. I`m actually taking a purists view,that fly caught fish should be just that.Fly caught without the assistance of chum,or any other aid. One rod,one fly,one fish. At least thats the way i like to do it. Also in no way would i compare the fighting qualities to that of bonefish. i was refering to the habits of the fish. but then again,on the right gear,which seems to be a 6#wt outfit,they display fine fighting ability. Its like comparing a stock rainbow trout that weighs 8lb,and last saw a man feeding it trout pellets,to the wild rainbow of the mountain stream that weighs only 2lb. ask yourself which would be the better and most rewarding catch ?. Thats why i choose to flyfish in saltwater here.Its never been done on my doorstep,and its all a new and very rewarding experience,no matter what the species. — Keith.

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Any small brown subsurface fly works. They are normally vegetarian but will on occasion think a fly floating vegetation. If it is slow going you can start a feeding frenzy with chicken feed. Take a handful, dip your hand in the water and mash the feed into a ball. Throw it out into the water. When the swirls are hot and heavy flip the fly into the melee and hang on. John Popp in Sanford Fl. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, What kind of flies and how do you fish for the mullet? aloha, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl. — Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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When they are jumping they are ridding themselves of vermin and don’t give a fig for eating. Ever try to get a dog to do something in the middle of a flea scratch ? John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

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SNIPPED Heck, for years, they were considered the worst of trash fish, from Mississippi around and down, even to the point of racial slurs

Funny isn’t it! – Same thing the world over. If we fished near a sewer outlet, we used to laugh about catching a "blind mullet". Cheers JK

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I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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(brevity snip) <<I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. I don’t think it is as prone to UV (sunlight) damage as mono is. The only drawback (very slight) is that it doesn’t float.  I usually gink mine up to within five inches of the dry fly.  Benefits:  It’s refractive index is very close to that of water, making it almost invisible to the fish.  I have found that I can drop down one size (i.e. 6x to 5x or even 4x) with the same results.  It is stiffer than mono and less prone to twisting. Go to www.dejanews.com and look up "flurocarbon tippet".  There was an exhaustive thread on it not too long ago. Dave LaCourse

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It works great for me!  I use it everywhere.  Perfect for salt or fresh. Forrest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I was told that flurocarbon is more abrasion resistant. If that’s the case I would definetly look into it. Can’t say that I know though. Is it? Have a good one,     Jeff Jowers     Revelation 3:20 Many times I’ve seen why they call it fishing, not catching.

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I.

Yup – I remember that. I was using dark Maxima as usual, but on that day the fish were thumbing their beaks at me. The Mirage did seem to turn the tide, so to speak… And it’s always a good thing to give the Captain a boost if his luck is off: it’s usually a long walk back to shore ;^) /daytripper (ps to sf: I’ll be on the Cape of Cod all next week, we’ll do the ‘Mack again when I get back)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

determines its invisibility first and then color. I’m sure I will be reading soon about tippet material that is .0002 in diameter which has a breaking strength of 125 pounds.   Great sport. — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage.

300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting.   There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Also just to let you know there is a marathon in Anchorage on June 19 — should be lots of people there from All over. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. 300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting. There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Alaska has many state parks with reasonable rates ($8-15) per night – but don’t expect to have water and elec at the site – just woods, water and wildlife!  There are RV parks – you know the kind that resemble the parking lots at Sea World type of places and charge plenty!  I lived in Anchorage for most of 5 years and some in Valdez and still bought a Milepost to travel and sightsee (1-800-726-4707) If I knew more info, maybe I could help more. Are you camping with a self sufficient RV? Are you renting locally? Are you interested in native culture? Do you want to hunt and fish unguided? Are you "into" shopping? for what type of items? How physically active are you? DO NOT FEED THE WILDLIFE!!! I think the Milepost is the most comprehensive guide for Alaska and recommend that you get one in advance and let it help with your itinerary. Be prepared for mucho tourist traffic and tall tales by the local folks… Barbara "The herd may graze where it pleases, but she who lives the adventurous life will remain unafraid when she finds herself alone." (slightly modified)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

A couple of years ago we did an exploratory trip to Alaska.  We flew into Anchorage, rented a car and drove down to Seward where you can go ocean fishing or take sightseeing boats to the Kenai (take the one that goes the farthest). Then we drove up to Denali.  Took the evening bus trip into the park.  I do not know if we were just lucky, but saw tons of moose, bear, and other wildlife.  (Same on ocean cruise to Kenai Fjords: 3 kinds of whale, tons of birds, and sea life sunning on the rocks.  Had been on two ocean cruises off Maine and never saw a whale or a puffin.  My wife was ecstatic!) Did a circuit around Fairbanks and Tok.  Lots of miles.  Some sites. Liked the gold stuff around Fairbanks, but the Independence Mine between Willow and Wasilla is great too.  Great site seeing on the road east from Palmer, as well as south from Anchorage.  The gold panning in Fairbanks is nice.  Not sure I would recommend the riverboat in Fairbanks tho, too touristy. Drove and stayed at B & B’s.  Could have rented a motorhome for the same price.  Either way, you definitely need reservations in Seward and Denali.  Most of the other places, you should be able to find facilities when you drive in. Enjoy. jb —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

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You’ve "lucked" into one of the very best times to visit our area, although one of the busiest times too!  I live here so haven’t "camped" much.  It’s so hard to recommend anything without knowing more about you.  How adventurous are you?  There is some very wild river rafting on Six Mile Creek into Hope, rock climbing in the Chugach mountains, etc.  Flightseeing trips that circle Denali or that fly over the glaciers are great.  The Kenai Fjords out of Seward offer a big boat tour, sailing charters, or kayaking. I like to visit Exit Glacier when I go to Seward (not too far off the road and a short, easy trail to the glacier face or an arduous trail to the snow fields above the glacier).  Like to fish, try Homer or Ninilchik fishing charters both a different experience.  The Kenai river offers a chance at some Kings (very LARGE ones) or you can charter a rainbow trout float trip on the upper river (one of my favorites).  I like the Double Musky in Girdwood for unique dining, The White Spot in downtown Anchorage for a good "greasy burger".  Summit Lodge halfway between Anchorage and Soldotna is a good place to stretch your legs and fill your tummy.  They have good pies too.  Sorry, to run on here, reserve a rental car early as they can disappear fast in June, enjoy. Sharon   I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska   I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around

Anchorage.

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Need info on how to access the river below Brockaway Mills.

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Rich, I have never fished it myself…my buddies tell me below Brockway is better for smallies later in the season than trout.  That  not withstanding , the best advice for access is to call the warden for that area.  His name is Philip Howland and his number is 802 885 4975.  I am certain he can tell the easiest and most productive area in which to access.  Have fun. James James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Hi, My sister lives near Ascutney, and I fished the Williams a year ago. We went in near the power plant (dam) at Herrick’s Cove (I think that’s the name), and since the power co. had been letting no water out yet, it was high and quite good fishing. – went all over the cove area, and actually you could go right to the Conneticutt. Directions – take #5 hwy to the jct with 103, sign says NE power picnic area – boat access is there. If I remeber correctly, the rest of the water between the Mill and the cove was a series of small flatwater pools with lots of shallows in between – but then I was there in August ! Bill Need info on how to access the river below Brockaway Mills.

– Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Gee Mike, I think we are discussing a philosophical question, not a legal one. As I live in Nashville and have never visited your fare state, I am unfamiliar with your local laws. What is flyfishing to you? Do YOU think that fishing with split shot is fly fishing? What about using running line to "cast" heavy nymphys using a fly rod and the chuck and duck method?       Sincerely, Trey

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Gee Mike, I think we are discussing a philosophical question, not a legal one. As I live in Nashville and have never visited your fare state, I am unfamiliar with your local laws. What is flyfishing to you? Do YOU think that fishing with split shot is fly fishing? What about using running line to "cast" heavy nymphys using a fly rod and the chuck and duck method?       Sincerely, Trey

Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding who can fish where. Charley

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C Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical C discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding C who can fish where. C C Charley My point is, WHAT DO _YOU_ THINK? As far as I know, none of the people who wrote the law restricting the use of weight on the leader are posting here. I think the philospohical question is an interesting one, but I am more interested in lively discussion than quoting chapter and verse. For me, if you cast it on a fly rod using a fly line its fly fishing. Now, as a redneck, this may be more utilitarian and less rule bound than my northern brother and sister flyfishers. I would benefit and appreciate discussion about what we THINK not what we are told. So, whattaya think?      Trey

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The point is to get the fly to where the fish are, and to enjoy the experience of using the fly.

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C Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical C discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding My point is, WHAT DO _YOU_ THINK? As far as I know, none of the people who wrote the law restricting the use of weight on the leader are posting here.

I suggest "philosophy" came after the fact.  In most states and provinces the earliest reason for banning weighted flies or leaders was to reduce poaching by deliberate snagging.  The rule is old in some places with salmon rivers, but has been gradually introduced in other places, notably the Great Lakes states, to wean anglers off snagging (commonly said 20 years ago to be the only possible way of landing salmon and steelhead.) When this process began about 15 years ago, fly anglers were an insignificant minority.  I.e. regulators seeking to eliminate snagging on the NY Salmon River (formerly legal) were not concerned about the fly fisherman with a twist-on half-way down his leader:  they wanted to stop the people heaving trebles pre-mounted with two ounces of lead, then available in many tackle stores. Nowadays fly fishing is increasingly common and popular — so interpreting the "no weight" rule has become important in a way no one foresaw when it first appeared in the regulations.  Only recently has "philosophy" come up. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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You’d better be careful….your post was logical, concise and made sense. That’s more than I can say about a lot of stuff I read on the ‘net. J.P. Ward Twin Willow Farm

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I think this does boil down to a question of application of regulations needed for certain areas.  Here in TN, we don’t have the difficulties associated with overfishing via flyfishing in our trout streams (at least for the most part) i.e. flyfishing isn’t as popular here as it is in other parts of the country.  We have put and take streams where the wildlife resource folks expect the trout to be harvested, tailwaters that support natural reproduction but are supplemented with stocked trout, as well as wild trout streams that don’t get stocked but can be managed using slot limits, c&r, etc.  In areas that get a lot of flyfishers on the water, DNR folks most likely find it necessary to restrict the _type_ of flyfishing done in certain streams.  I suspect this is a way to appease not only the flyfishers, but bait and lure fishers as well.  On the Hiwassee, there is a quality section that while not flyfishing only, does restrict fishing to single-hook, artificial lures/flies only.  I imagine if this section’s fishing began to decline because of the number of _flyfishers_, then they would consider limiting the _type_ of flyfishing accomplished in that quality zone.   I realize this may be a vast oversimplification, but it has been my experience in some of the streams I’ve fished out-of-state, particularly those that are popular destinations with flyfishers. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN OR

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[snip] On the Hiwassee, there is a quality section that while not flyfishing only, does restrict fishing to single-hook, artificial lures/flies only.  I imagine if this section’s fishing began to decline because of the number of _flyfishers_, then they would consider limiting the _type_ of flyfishing accomplished in that quality zone.  

[snip] Jerry, In Georgia droppers and trailers are banned on single hook artificial streams.  I believe North Carolina is the same way.  How does TN define the single hook rule?  Is it per fly or per rod? Thanks, John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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streams.  I believe North Carolina is the same way.  How does TN define the single hook rule?  Is it per fly or per rod? John Johnson Atlanta, GA

It varies.  In the Cherokee Wildlife Management areas, a dropper is considered legal.  I’m not sure about the Hiwassee quality zone, though I’ve been told it’s one hook per rod.  I have seen anglers fishing dropper flies through that area, but that’s no indication of the regulations, however 8-( Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN OR

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Hi, In Nova Scotia it is illegal to take salmon (which are designated flyfishing only) on weighted flies, so I guess our DNR agrees with you that weighted flies are not "pure". On the other hand, get this, the rules here state "the weight can not be attached to the fly, nor extra weight added to the fly" BUT, in a discussion with a DNR rep over this very issue at a Guide’s meeting we were informed that weighted fly lines were perfectly legal, since the weight hadn’t been "added". Weird, what ? Still, I have seen lots of unweighted flies being cast upstream, ripped back and left low in an attempt to "catch"(read "jig") trout in one of our more popular ff only streams. So there you go, it’s a Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of C weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters C designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, Hm, I do spin fish on occasions and I don’t need room for a backcast when I do. Nore do I need to worry too much about the weight of my lure or "mending" my casts. I also don’t need to worry about my cricket coming off when I cast. I find it easier to spin cast to a specific location and can cast much farther and faster than when I fly fish. I think these and other differences clearly distinguish between fly and spin fishing. For me, fly fishing refers to how I cast my line, not to what I choose to cast. Many folks look down their nose at streamers because they are not insects. Again for me, its how, not what, I cast.      Trey Monroe

It does not matter what a person (ie – the fly shop owner) "thinks" about fly fishing.  Weighted flies, nymphs, streamers, wets, and dries are all part of the broad scheme of fly fishing.  However, there is a legal definition for fly fishing, depending upon where you are. In a CT FFO Area (Fly Fishing Only), DO NOT get caught by a warden with split shot on your line to get your trusty old streamer to the bottom.   Weight MUST be incorporated into the tying of the fly or into the construction of the line, PERIOD!  As for gear, using a fly on spinning gear IS NOT considered fly fishing, legally.  You must use a fly rod and reel to be classified as fly fishing and avoid a fine.  We have seen many folks spin fishing in an FFO area and watched (& cheered) as they paid for their indiscretion (and inability to read the signs). – Mike

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Guide Service (Bill Curry)) writes: So there you go, it’s a

Amen.  

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle.

I strongly disagree! the shop owner must be a dry fly only fisherman. Too bad since stomach contents prove that fish feed mostly on nymphs all year long. The poor shop owner is missing out on lots of fly fishing fun limiting himself to hatch only days with his fly rod. bad for him but O so good for me! By the by, the first flies ever used were wet flies way back in the 1400’s and before. Hows that for "tradition"?

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle.

I would simply invite said spin fisher out into the parking lot, and invite him to get out his best gear. I would pick up a rod with a sink tip line and leader, sans fly. Then, we’d have us a little contest and see who can cast the longest distance… with no lure… Now, if he can throw 60 feet of line without a lure, and can pick up the line and cast it again without reeling it all in, I _might_ be willing to concede that there isn’t any difference between spinning and flycasting… but it ain’t gonna happen, folks! For a REAL test, let’s try the same thing without rods! Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  //~~~LL~~~~LL~ Update your address book today!|  New Dimensions In Filk!

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Any lines drawn between the admittedly "pure" art of the direct imitation of the accepted three major groups of may-, caddis-, and stoneflies and all other "fly" forms should be made on an individual basis, or not at all. Weighted or unweighted, the subsurface imitation exists only to entice the intended quarry, and if that brings pleasure to the angler, then so be it.  There can be no harm in the peaceful pursuit of, and the subsequent glorification and immortalization of a truly beautiful creature when taken by the fairest of all sporting methods, the fly rod.

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

More Horse Hockey.  Why not liven it up a bit and consider things like Dahlberg Divers, no weight, but shaped to dive, or the infamous "Wiggle Bug"?  Maybe we should regulate flylines to a maximum castable length of 50 feet, outlaw shooting heads and require a full backcast to qualify as "flyfishing".  Speycasters and 50ft+ rollcasters must not be real flyfisher persons.  Or extend the debate to the "strike indicaters aren’t flyfishing" school of thought or using more than one fly isn’t flyfishing (never mind that there is a long documented use of a dryfly as an "indicater" for a subsurface fly or the traditional us of 5 or mor fly "casts" in the British Isles). Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

Horse Hockey.  A bit of non-specific fuzzy thinking.  "Tackle"="The equipment used in a sport or occupation, esp. fishing, gear."  Since both use a long stick sort of thing to propel a faux edible thing some distance into the aquatic environment I suppose you could make the argument that fly and spin "tackle" are the same without even considering the terminal part of same…..Don’t think Dame Julianna Berners fished dry, wet or "damp" for the most part.  Suppose this discussion which tends to be of interest to those older than dirt on the North Umpqua and newbies will continue until the weightless hook is perfected.  The debate (or mindless dithering if you prefer) has been ongoing in and out of print for at least the past 25 years.     Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

I think that the responses have been interesting, but my question is directed towards the regulation of certain waters for fly fishing only versus other types of tackle that might be used.  I have no quarrel against fishing a dry fly on a wet fly swing, nor the use of any of the type of flies now used. (Well maybe against the use of lead vs non-lead wire/putty.)  Nor do I have anything against spin fishing or a simple stick with a bunch of worms on a hook.  I have fished waters with both types of equipment and have fished along with spin fishers. Don

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“ I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters` designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree,

` that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy ` jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would ` respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as ` being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly ` fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. ` ` Don      If you are going to have "fly fishing only," then I suppose you have to define fly fishing. Personally, I could care less. I often fish lightweight spinners with my fly rod. I make them myself. Most of the time, streamers work better than (metal) spinners. But what the hell. I also make fly rod jigs….little wire–headed streamers that I cast with a slow motion double haul. They (fly rod jigs) are often useful, although split shot on the leader, combined with a neutrally buouant fly, is usually more productive.     Is it true that people who fret and worry about definitions tend to be category people, –people who have a hard time dealing with gray area?

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C I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of C weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters C designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, Hm, I do spin fish on occasions and I don’t need room for a backcast when I do. Nore do I need to worry too much about the weight of my lure or "mending" my casts. I also don’t need to worry about my cricket coming off when I cast. I find it easier to spin cast to a specific location and can cast much farther and faster than when I fly fish. I think these and other differences clearly distinguish between fly and spin fishing. For me, fly fishing refers to how I cast my line, not to what I choose to cast. Many folks look down their nose at streamers because they are not insects. Again for me, its how, not what, I cast.      Trey Monroe

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

In California, we have lots of  water that is designated "artificials only, single barbless hook".  This means that using a spinning rod with a lure ( spinner, spoon, plug or jig ) that has a single hook(s) with the barb pinched flat is OK. We have very few fisheries that are Fly Fishing Only. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

I totally disagree, I suppose you can only fish dries upstream also.  I fished rivers for years as a spinning fisherman, and only took up flyfishing a few years back, but fishing with heavy jigs isn’t like fly fishing.  There are many things in life that conceptually might be similar, but in reality are totally different. Vince

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I’m going up to Seagull Lake in the BOundary Waters Canoe Area of Northern MN in late May.  I’m new to sm bass fly-fishing and was wondering what flys, sizes & patterns are successful.  If anyone knows Seagull, I sure would appreciate any pointers you would be willing to share.

Jon: Don’t know Seagull but was in BWCA last year at end of May precisely for FF for smallmouth, though I had a friend along with spinning gear. We started looking for them deepish at first, with little luck. Then went to shallower bays where water was warmer and fished right up against shore with poppers, Dahlberg Diver’s, etc. and from there on out it was a blast, esp. in the a.m. and p.m. I think almost anything on the surface would have worked, I liked foam poppers for indestructibility, but had fun with my own Muddlers too. (My friend just used small Rapalas that we did surgery on to get rid of the trebles and barbs.) Anything you can make a little disturbance with, and sometimes the more the better. But we found you had to really put that thing right up against shore. It would seem crazy, but the bass, even if obviously laying 3-4 feet away from shore, really appeared completely taken in by something spluttering away from the shore. I bet those Mouserat jobs would work fine, but my exp. with smallmouths is that you can’t go wrong with smallish lures. You are in for a great time. Just look for the warmest water possible. Northern shorelines of bays would seem smartest.

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I’m going up to Seagull Lake in the BOundary Waters Canoe Area of Northern MN in late May.  I’m new to sm bass fly-fishing and was wondering what flys, sizes & patterns are successful.  If anyone knows Seagull, I sure would appreciate any pointers you would be willing to share.  But we found you had to really put that thing right up against shore. It would seem crazy, but the bass, even if obviously laying 3-4 feet away from shore, really appeared completely taken in by something spluttering away from the shore.

I agree with putting it right on the bank and pulling it off.  I was up in Crooked Lake last May and bouncing it off rocks on the shore and letting it drop in was the most succesful. –Patrick

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I’m going up to Seagull Lake in the BOundary Waters Canoe Area of Northern MN in late May.  I’m new to sm bass fly-fishing and was wondering what flys, sizes & patterns are successful.  If anyone knows Seagull, I sure would appreciate any pointers you would be willing to share. Thanks ! Jonathan

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I’m going up to Seagull Lake in the BOundary Waters Canoe Area of Northern MN in late May.  I’m new to sm bass fly-fishing and was wondering what flys, sizes & patterns are successful.  If anyone knows

FF is suitable for bass in lakes only if the bass are shallow and you know where they are:  but you might be able to find river inflows and outflows which will be easier.  Try: — in streamy water at least a yard deep (potholes OK) fish a big streamer (Muddler or something brighter e.g. Yellow Sally) as deep as you can e.g. on a sink-tip line. — bring a few very small poppers on big hooks.  They’re not good hookers, but you can often tease bass up to the top and get hits. — be ready to match (very roughly) an evening rise to hatching insects, e.g. wet alder fly (for caddis), biggish nymphs, high-floating dries. The half hour after sunset can be thrilling, and if the moon is right (to see your fly) you can fish into full dark. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I’m new.  I’ll get that out of the way now.  I’ve been working on my cast all winter and think it’s passable – we’ll see once I get on the water.   But, my biggest question is how to know what type of fly to use.  Dry or a nymph?  If a nymph, should it be floating or sinking?  Can anyone recommend a good book on the matter?  I’ve seen lots of books full of fly patterns but that’s about it.  I’d like any info you can give on matching the hatch and choosing the fly.                   Thanks,                 T O D D . . .

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: : I’m new.  I’ll get that out of the way now.  I’ve been working on my cast : : all winter and think it’s passable – we’ll see once I get on the water.   : : But, my biggest question is how to know what type of fly to use.  Dry or : : a nymph?  If a nymph, should it be floating or sinking?  Can anyone : : recommend a good book on the matter?  I’ve seen lots of books full of fly : : patterns but that’s about it.  I’d like any info you can give on matching : : the hatch and choosing the fly.   : Everyone has their own favorites, but you can really get by with a very : few different flies most of the time. Get a copy of Datus Propter’s : "What the Trout Said" for a nice, well thought out approach to : simplified fly selection. Or listen to me As for what to use, the beginning rule of thumb is (I think): if you see fish rising (especially if they rise and leave a bubble in the middle of the rise form) use a dry fly; if you don’t, use a nymph. Most of the feeding fish do is on the bottom on nymphs.  The exceptions are usually visible. One exception to this "rule": When it’s hot, and you’re fishing a stream with brush or grass overhanging it, use hoppers and ants.  These can be fished either wet OR dry, and work both ways! As for favorite flys, mine are:         pattern                                 sizes wooly worm (black with grizzly hackle)          4,6,8,10 soft hackle (I like green floss bodies)         10,12,14,16 elk hair caddis                                 6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 adams                                           10,12,14,16,18,20 black ants                                      10,12,14,16,18,20 If I could only pick 4, I’d leave out the soft hackle.  I tie up these patterns in these sizes.  For the caddis pattern, I use different colored bodies and tie some palmered and some with just dry-fly style hackles.  I have never left the stream without catching fish (provided the water was over 50 degrees). This collection of flys is so versatile it’s amazing.  My single favorite is the caddis. Have fun! — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster

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: 3 Words: "Ask the locals" : Frankie Yeah, but they always lie.    :-) –jim

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Thanks to all for the great advice.  I’m looking forward to using some of the patterns when the time comes.                 T O D D . . .

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I have one other bit of advice to add to the guys who said "ask the locals", that is to use the KISS rule of thumb;  keep it simple stupid (no disrespect intended. As a guide in Montana ans Alaska for over 15 year now, the KISS rule usually works for me.  Everything else is either fun or a pain in the ass – depending on your personal tastes.  There are a few patterns that have worked for me from Argentina to AK though. Elk Hair Caddis, Wulff patterns, lightly dressed Blue Dun patterns, small, simple midge patterns like the Griffiths Gant or the Bi-Visible, Pheasant Tail Nymph, Wooley Bugger, Egg Sucking Leach (pretty huh?), Bitch Creek, and olive and brown Damsel and Dragon Fly nymph patterns. Top drys-Caddis and Gnats, sub surface-small Wooley Buggers and Bitch Creeks. I saw some mis-info in the other noter to you about such things as buble rises and – well- it would take too long, but there is a video by, I think 3M with a guy named Gary Borger that explains the methodology of what to trout fish and when better than any other.

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I would like to suggest reading the late Charles E. Brooks’ book THE TROUT AND THE STREAM as a good introduction to fly selection.  You might also Fly Fisherman magazine helpful.

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I posted my favorite three flies a few times (elk hair caddis, adams, wooly worm, black ant—I can’t count very well).  On thinking about it, I’ve decided that "what fly should I use?" is the wrong question.  "How should I fish my fly?" is the right one. I like the above flies because you can fish them many, many different ways.  On a dead drift, an elk-hair passes for a mayfly, with twitches it looks like an emerger, skittered it looks like a caddis, plopped down and retrieved in short jerks it looks like a hopper, wet it looks like a minnow, or a crawdad, or god only knows what.  Very versatile.  The same is true with the others (with the possible exception of the adams, which is why I would omit it if I could only have three patterns). The important things are: 1. action 2. size 3. color 4. pattern at least that’s true in my experience under most conditions.  Note that pattern is last. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster

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I fished the West branch of the Penobscot in Maine, way up by the dam, and I drew blanks all week despite the huge stoneflies and loads of caddis. This was the last week of the season. On the final day, I slammed together a primitive version of the Madame X, drawing on my memories of fishing small ponds for big bluegills. I started catching fish. Maybe the landlocked salmon thought it was a drowning stonefly in the rapids. But whatever was in their pea-sized brains, it made a barren week worthwhile. LeDun

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It’s a great question—but not an easy answer. find out what the basic flys are in your area;adams, royal wulff, any dun (PMD,BWO etc) or in a nymph; hare’s ear, Pheasant tail, prince.  Then go down to your local fishing store and ask the guy (or gal) what else is working. Don’t forget to ask what size. He will Give you both Drys and nymphs and If he really wants to sell flys a emerger or two. Now head down to your fishing hole and instead of getting all worked up about catching big old fish sit down, and watch the water.  If you are lucky enough, you will see a rise. Try to figure out what the fish are eating.  Try and get as close as you can with what you have.  Just like life – think about your choices. If what the guy at the fishing store was wrong, try your basics. If that doesn’t work get a beer or spring for a guide. As for matching the hatch.  It use to be that the ORVIS CATALOG was great to learn the flys but now that they are selling cars Try Dan BAILEYS in LIVINGSTON MT. ORVIS does fhave a little book that might work for you- tight lines

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3 Words: "Ask the locals" Frankie

The Madame X is a productive fly on trout to sunfish across the country.   Wyatt

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I will be in yosemite along the merced river  sept 13 for 10 days and would appreciate any advice on that or other nearby rivers: eg, patterns, line weight, good areas, guides, weather conditions, etc, etc.  please email me and thanks for the help.   daved

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writes: I will be in yosemite along the merced river  sept 13 for 10 days and would appreciate any advice on that or other nearby rivers: eg, patterns, line weight, good areas, guides, weather conditions, etc, etc.  please email me and thanks for the help.   daved

I’ve never fished it, but "California Fly Fisher" magazine had a short article in their July-Aug ‘93 issue on the Merced.  Call them at (415)621-3117, maybe they can send you a back issue.  They said the better fishing for wild trout is outside the park.  Good luck, Bill Uyeki

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: The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order : Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story : straight. Of course they are different bugs…and these are brachycentrus. They are ALSO Grannoms, Sedges, Little Brown Buggies, Mothies etc. etc. The fact is, the hatch does happen in May. Therefore, for the locals to call ‘em the may-flies is ok by me…the biologist was probably also the barber who is also the sherrif on friday nights. Tim Walker

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Absolutely correct.  It is primarily a communication/context issue, and we should be intelligent and flexible enough to adapt. This leads to an adaptation of an old Stve Martin joke, which might go like this: Up in Canada, "Pickerel" means "Walleye". "Brewskie" means "Beer". Those darn canucks have a different word for ust about everything! (and in Quebec, they call walleye/pickerel – dore – pronounced door-ray!) : — : # Forestry Canada                                                       # : # Petawawa National Forestry Institute                Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # : # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario              FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # : # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                        # — |     Bob Lundy                   | |     Mississauga, ON, Canada     |

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The Stripped Bass is only known as "Rockfish" in the Cheasapeak bay. Once they enter the Atlantic they mysteriously become Stripped Bass. It appears that they are in fact actually making it into the Atlantic again now after the Rockfish moritorium of a few years ago. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, "rockfish" is the proper name for a common class of deep-ocean saltwater fish.  "Rockfish" referring to saltwater striped bass is a regional name used in the NE U.S.  True rockfish are often called rock cod, even though they’re not cod… Hey did I tell you about the rainbow trout not really being a trout yet?

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Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.

Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…  Mac McDougald            *   Any opinions expressed herein are  The Photography Center   *   not necessarily (actually, are  UNIV of TN, Knoxville    *   almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK.  (615-974-3449)           *    than they’ve ever been before."    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu .ksu.e du!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!p nfi!sj oyce Organization: Canadian Forest Service – Petawawa National Forestry Institute Distribution: rec Lines: 44 By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ

Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.  I haven’t caught one yet, but I look foreward to it. Richard

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Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!yeshua.marcam.com!news.k ei.com !eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state. edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!twalker Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Distribution: rec Lines: 12 Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story straight. Richard

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It seems a bit ridiculous to be having arguments about common names of fish when they are just that; "common names".  As such, they are regional by nature, language specific, and vary widely across the country and across borders (i.e. Walleye, Pickerel, Dore, walleyed pike, yellow pickerel etc.). You can find "official" literature in different areas that list different common names for exactly the same fish.  They not only vary by region, they vary sometimes according to fish size or life stage (Chinook, King, Spring, Tyee).  They can even vary according to how the fish is caught or marketed (Lake Herring, Ciscoe, Tulibee).  And I’ve also noticed the uglier the fish is, the more common names it will have (Ling, Burbot, Eelpout, Lawyer, freshwater cod,…snake?).  If you want an unabiguous label for a fish species, you have to use the latin or scientific name. To me, common names have never been a problem.  Just learn as much as you can about fish species in the areas you fish, and the common names in those areas.  I think there can be some confusion if the same common name refers to a different fish in different areas but that’s rare.  When you ask the locals where the fish are biting, you will get a lot farther by using the local fish names! . By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ — # Forestry Canada                                                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute          Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario                FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                          #

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