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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places Can you imagine how disgusting it would be to have someone who’s been handling worms all day in front of you in the buffet line ? Pawing over the prawns, fondling the foie gras, sticking his worm drenched digits in YOUR caviar ? Not sure Ken, but I believe you may have misinterpreted the question. Your reply suggests possible problems on returning to the lodge AFTER fishing. I think a closer reading will reveal that Gavin was wondering why bait fishing is not allowed ON the buffet line. A different kettle of fish altogether IMHO. Wolfgang um……are you gonna eat that?

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don’t see too many beer cans, corn cans, Styrofoam worm containers, empty cigarette packs, soiled undershorts, motor oil bottles, cheeze-it wrappers and thrice used condoms left behind by fly fishermen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am the only person in my family who enjoys fly fishing every one thinks it is too much hard work so just do normal bait fishing instead and when I want to go fly fishing it is usually to some serious lodge with fly fishing only I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places thanks Gavin Most fly-fisherman that I know have chosen to fly-fish over bait- fishing due to the challenge and enjoyment it brings to them. Being alone or almost alone in the wild and walking up or down the river where they can feel as though they are part of the wild experience is a major part for many fly-fisherman. Locations that cater to that type of experience often have a lot in stake in keeping the experience as pristine and pure as they can as well as keeping the fish as large and healthy as possible. A couple of states have asked their local anglers to help them with how to stock their local waters. Would they rather catch: 1) a few large fish, or 2) many small fish. Each state’s end result was "a few large fish." This is especially true with fly-fisherman. Fly-fisherman go to the lodges for the pristine experience, education, and to catch "The Big One." The problem with bait-fishing is that it spoils the experience and fishing conditions for the fly-fisherman. Live bait, like worms, can contaminate the water with diseases, like whirling disease, which kills or harms the fish. Treble hooks used for Power Bait are often swallowed and can not be removed without harming the fish. Bait- fisherman fishing in groups allow their poles to rest against something while they wait for a fish to take-the-bait as they talk, make jokes, drink, and generally pas the time. This is not the experience most fly- fisherman want to see as they come around a bend in the river. In locations that I fish where bait-fishing is also allowed, I cringe every time I see things like this. I move through the area as fast as I can until I get to another pristine location which will always be farther than their voice travels. I often find litter and discarded fishing-gear in locations that bait-fishermen were. This also destroys the experience for me and generally makes my blood boil. Because of fly-fisherman like me that spend money to keep private locations like this alive, they have normally restrict the fishing to fly-fishing with C&R restrictions. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I am the only person in my family who enjoys fly-fishing. . . . When I want to go fly-fishing it is usually to some serious lodge with fly fishing only. I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places thanks Gavin

Since you are only 16 and the only one in your family that enjoys fly- fishing, just go where your mom and dad take you. BTW, lodges will be different according to what the people in a given area want. I have no idea what lodges are like in South Africa. Since you own a fly-shop in South Africa, why don’t you tell us why the serious lodges are fly-fising only. You are the South Africa Pro. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I know how I am going on here I think I am a well respected fly fisherman in my area and I respect all other fly fisherman

Ah, the "I’m OK, You’re OK" psychology. Well here we do things a little differently. Sometimes it’s "I’m OK, You’re not OK", and sometimes it’s "I’m not OK, You’re not OK", but definitely "You’re not OK". :-) Regards, Jeff

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| Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly | | I know how I am going on here I think I am a well respected fly fisherman | in my area and I respect all other fly fisherman | | Ah, the "I’m OK, You’re OK" psychology. Well here we do things a little | differently. Sometimes it’s "I’m OK, You’re not OK", and sometimes it’s "I’m | not OK, You’re not OK", but definitely "You’re not OK". :-) | | Regards, | Jeff Im not joking there are many people around here who look up to me mostly youngsters though, you see fly fishing is also relatively new around here I was probably the youngest fly fisherman around my area I started about 6 years ago aged 10 and was probably only one of a handful of people who could actually do it properly I went to a number of clinics so you see a lot of people look up to me because like I said fly fishing is new and I have caught species of fish that many fly fisherman have never heard of before in there life and I am still "EXPERIMENTING" with our other local fish especially carp, catfish etc. with very limited success so I try fly fishing when ever and where ever I can otherwise I go back to bait/spin fishing practice makes perfect and the best teacher around here are the fish hope I never upset any one just airing my views tight lines Gavin

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I started about 6 years ago aged 10

Are you only 16 years old? Just a lad. All the power to you boy. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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told him what to buy at the local tackle store so he could fish nymphs with his spinning rod. Geez, I wish I had a son who liked to fish. (Forget about, Warren — I mean a sub-teenage boy.)

Sounds like there was one there you might be able to borrow once in a while. I suspect you both left with a grin on the face. Big Dale

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Geez, I wish I had a son who liked to fish. (Forget about, Warren — I mean a sub-teenage boy.)

right you are, rw; i’ve had two like that, and it’s tough to beat the memories. …on the other hand, i also had a receptionist back in the mid 70’s who just *loved* to watch; on balance, i’d say it’s too close to call. wayno

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At 50 I tend to envy the lad.Ah for the years I spent at war to be returned to me so that all my memories were of the fish I lost and the fish I landed. Gavin you are in for some good memories by the time you reach 50. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) RVN 69-73 ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started about 6 years ago aged 10 Are you only 16 years old? Just a lad. All the power to you boy. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also forgot to mention that I used to do spinfishing and baitfishing in south africa for the local species of fish (carp catfish bream etc.) these fish are almost impossible to catch on fly because dams are usually 30 meters deep (probably more) they were murky etc so I used to spin and bait fish as well(so fly fishing is not an option) and disagree with what all you said as every one here uses a type of high protein bait made of dog food to catch trout I know how I am going on here I think I am a well respected fly fisherman in my area and I respect all other fly fisherman regards and tight lines Gavin

I think Lefty Kreh would differ with you. I’ve seen a t.v. show where he was fly-fishing for carp in what looked like very deep water. Additionally, I’ve caught carp on a fly. I’ve also seen others fly- fish for catfish. My friend is in the Bahamas is right now fly-fishing for tuna, shark, and marlin. He chose to do that instead of coming to the clave with me. You would be surprised what you can fish for with a fly. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I am the only person in my family who enjoys fly fishing every one thinks it is too much hard work so just do normal bait fishing instead and when I want to go fly fishing it is usually to some serious lodge with fly fishing only I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places thanks Gavin

______ Sir Gavin? I you sure you’re not a trolling fisherman. Where did you park your boat? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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After I caught my six trout and a couple of nice whitefish I let the kid fish with my rod, which was rigged with a bead-head pheasant tail and hare’s ear tandem and a foam indicator.

Ah… the joys of fucking nymph fishing!! Regards, Jeff

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I also forgot to mention that I used to do spinfishing and baitfishing in south africa for the local species of fish (carp catfish bream etc.) these fish are almost impossible to catch on fly because dams are usually 30 meters deep (probably more) they were murky etc so I used to spin and bait fish as well(so fly fishing is not an option) and disagree with what all you said as every one here uses a type of high protein bait made of dog food to catch trout I know how I am going on here I think I am a well respected fly fisherman in my area and I respect all other fly fisherman regards and tight lines Gavin

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That kid will never forget that day! Cheers. :-) Natty

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On my recently reported trip to the Stanislaus, we saw nothing but spin fishermen. I won’t say that there was no trash, but my brother and I were able to pick up *every* piece of trash we saw, and take it back to the dumpster without a sack. That means there wasn’t much trash. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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… I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places

Can you imagine how disgusting it would be to have someone who’s been handling worms all day in front of you in the buffet line ? Pawing over the prawns, fondling the foie gras, sticking his worm drenched digits in YOUR caviar ? Yuck. — Ken Fortenberry- and I hear bait fishermen smell bad too

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… I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places Can you imagine how disgusting it would be to have someone who’s been handling worms all day in front of you in the buffet line ? Pawing over the prawns, fondling the foie gras, sticking his worm drenched digits in YOUR caviar ? Yuck.

What Ken’s tactfully saying is that they’ve seen your family and don’t want them to come. Joe F.

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Bait fishing tends to result in gut hooked fish. This is not ideal for C&R. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am the only person in my family who enjoys fly fishing every one thinks it is too much hard work so just do normal bait fishing instead and when I want to go fly fishing it is usually to some serious lodge with fly fishing only I want to know why bait fishing is not allowed in these places thanks Gavin

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What Ken’s tactfully saying is that they’ve seen your family and don’t want them to come. Joe F.

Seen ‘em myself. Never did like ‘em, their feet don’t match. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Not sure Ken, but I believe you may have misinterpreted the question. Your reply suggests possible problems on returning to the lodge AFTER fishing. I think a closer reading will reveal that Gavin was wondering why bait fishing is not allowed ON the buffet line. A different kettle of fish altogether IMHO. Wolfgang um……are you gonna eat that?

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Watch one of the bobber-bubbas fish for trout on a stream. They’ll plop down beside a hole with their cooler and a lawn chair and wait for a trout to swim by and dunk their bobber. They would just as soon plop down beside the hole you’re fishing in and seriously think they have the same opportunity to catch a trout out of that hole as you do; which by the time they get settled is probably true. Damndest thing I ever saw involving a bobber-bubba fishing for trout was a pickup beside a trout stream, bubba in a lawn chair killing worms, his wife squatting over a 2 burner Coleman stove and a frying pan on the truck’s tailgate waiting for lunch. Don’t really understand it, Bluegill are better eating, custom made for bobber-bubbas, and a bobber-bubba and a fly fisherman can work the same pond with equal results for the frying pan. The fly fisherman will just have more fun. It’s also much more fun to watch a kid catch a bunch of Bluegill on a cane pole with a bobber than watch a kid not catch a trout on a cane fly rod. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Most fly-fisherman that I know have chosen to fly-fish over bait- fishing due to the challenge and enjoyment it brings to them. Being alone or almost alone in the wild and walking up or down the river where they can feel as though they are part of the wild experience is a major part for many fly-fisherman. Locations that cater to that type of experience often have a lot in stake in keeping the experience as pristine and pure as they can as well as keeping the fish as large and healthy as possible. A couple of states have asked their local anglers to help them with how to stock their local waters. Would they rather catch: 1) a few large fish, or 2) many small fish. Each state’s end result was "a few large fish." This is especially true with fly-fisherman. Fly-fisherman go to the lodges for the pristine experience, education, and to catch "The Big One." The problem with bait-fishing is that it spoils the experience and fishing conditions for the fly-fisherman. Live bait, like worms, can contaminate the water with diseases, like whirling disease, which kills or harms the fish. Treble hooks used for Power Bait are often swallowed and can not be removed without harming the fish. Bait- fisherman fishing in groups allow their poles to rest against something while they wait for a fish to take-the-bait as they talk, make jokes, drink, and generally pas the time. This is not the experience most fly- fisherman want to see as they come around a bend in the river. In locations that I fish where bait-fishing is also allowed, I cringe every time I see things like this. I move through the area as fast as I can until I get to another pristine location which will always be farther than their voice travels. I often find litter and discarded fishing-gear in locations that bait-fishermen were. This also destroys the experience for me and generally makes my blood boil. Because of fly-fisherman like me that spend money to keep private locations like this alive, they have normally restrict the fishing to fly-fishing with C&R restrictions. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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There’s a place in Stanley, right next to a hotel, that is heavily stocked with "catchable" (i.e., barely legal size) trout. I sometimes go there to catch six fish for dinner, to experiment with techniques, or just to pass the time. The other day there were some kids fishing there (staying at the hotel, I believe). They were using those weird colored salmon eggs that come in jars, and they were catching absolutely nothing. When I started fishing with my fly rod this one boy of about 12 years was fascinated, and when I started catching fish he was transfixed. These fish are so easy it’s ridiculous. They’ll eat various nymphs like popcorn. After I caught my six trout and a couple of nice whitefish I let the kid fish with my rod, which was rigged with a bead-head pheasant tail and hare’s ear tandem and a foam indicator. Pretty soon he got the knack of chucking the rig out into the main current and mending the line to get a more-or-less dead drift. After pulling off a couple of fish with a too vigorous hook set, he caught two fish in about 10 minutes, and I think I made a flyfishing convert. I told him what to buy at the local tackle store so he could fish nymphs with his spinning rod. Geez, I wish I had a son who liked to fish. (Forget about, Warren — I mean a sub-teenage boy.) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Another Maine Report (long)

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OK, I found Molunkus. It’s about 50 miles east of where we go, east of Millinocket. I know there’s a lot of guides and at least one fly shop in Millinocket. Try Toute’s Fly Shop in Millinocket (207-723-5442). Or the Maine Guide Association listings at http://www.maineguides.org/company.html Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan — Thanks for the report. I am going to be in that area next week — in Molunkus, ME <whereever that is!). I’m a beginning fly fisherman, but I’m making the trip with a bunch of spin fisherman. Did you notice if there were any guide services in the area? Did you flyfish for bass at all?? Thanks again, Craig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the last week in the beautiful country just outside Baxter State Park in north central Maine. If you are not interested in details, here’s the summary: weather was ideal, water temps in the rivers and ponds was between 60 and 64 degrees F, a 6 inch native landlocked salmon on a dry fly is much more fun than a 12" stocked rainbow, moose are really dumb looking. WEATHER The usual daily high was just over 70 F. High puffy clouds in a perfect blue sky. The wind would not pick up until 9AM and would stop by 8:30 PM. During the day the wind was pretty constant making canoeing very difficult on the bigger lakes – very big whitecaps were common. We had one rainy day on Wednesday but the steady rain didn’t start until mid afternoon. HATCHES Spring was cold and rainy so the hatches are at least a week later than normal. Caddis, caddis, caddis. There was virtually nothing going on top on the ponds or the South Branch Penobscot in the mornings. A few Hendricksons and the occasional caddis. Very few mayflies. We saw lots of black caddis (body and wings) around the ponds but very few in the Penobscot. Those were usually light tan wings with a brownish-gray body. One night I pulled a small yellow stonefly out of the air but we didn’t see any on the water. We picked up salmon on almost every kind of caddis dry we had regardless of body color, although a light tan wing and light brown body seemed to work best. My best fly was a tan foam bodied elk hair caddis with a bleached elk wing and a cdc underwing. Size 12-14. The nightly caddis hatch on the Penobscot was amazing – the adults were migrating up river in a continuous stream. Looking up it looked like a snowstorm. On the roads there were so many caddis bodies they were kicking up like dust. Awesome. And the salmon fishing was awesome because of that. We saw a few caddis on Nesowadnehunk Lake but also the beginning of the big yellow mayfly hatch (size 6, maybe a kind of hexagenia). That hatch should peak next week. The brookies were suckers for any big yellow fly. SCENERY World class beauty. The mountains of Baxter are always in the background wherever you go. We saw gorgeous sunsets lighting up Katahdin from Nesowadnehunk. The Penobscot is probably the most scenic river I’ve ever fished. FISH The area is noted for landlocked salmon and brookies. Not the giant brookies like in the Rapid River, but the pond brookies go up to 18 inches. We mostly saw brookies in the 6-10 inch range. There are also togue in the bigger lakes (lake trout, we didn’t fish for them), and splake (a sterile brookie/togue hybrid) in the ponds. My friends caught a couple of splake about 19 inches on trolled wooly buggers in the pond we camped on. The big story is the landlocked salmon (people call them landlocks or just salmon). The Penobscot in that area is a tail water fishery below the Ripogenus Dam. The big salmon were hard to find last week – we saw a couple in the 16 inch range, one 18 and one 20. Most were little guys in the 10-12 inch range and a lot in the 6-8 inch range. They were loving elk hair caddis all week even in the morning when nothing was coming off. We had a little action on caddis larva and emergers in the daytime. In general the fishing was fair until about 10AM and then it pretty much shut off until the nightly hatch started at about 7PM. The nightly caddis hatches were awesome. There were salmon rising all over the river in every area we fished. The area was pretty busy but we didn’t have trouble finding fishable stretches where there were no other people. WILDLIFE Moose everywhere and lots of snowshoe hares. We had one big bull moose who refused to get off the road. We had the Jeep within 10 feet of him and he just wouldn’t give us room. After about 15 minutes he decided we were boring and loped off into the woods. We saw a couple of eagles and an osprey, a black backed woodpecker, loons, mergansers, and one cormorant. I found fresh bear tracks along the river one morning but we didn’t spot any bears. Found coyote tracks and scat at one lake. ON THE WATER I tried float tubing for the first time on this trip. I will remember to check for wader leaks the next time. I had a pinhole leak in the butt of my waders from resting on a rock earlier in the day and within an hour I was floating around with a gallon of water down each leg. But it as fun, and it certainly is easier to stay put than in a canoe. I also tried fishing from a kayak on this trip. My friend Steve had brought his Wilderness Systems Pungo and I really liked it. It was plenty big enough for this big guy and it handled great. I was able to cruise effortlessly on some big lakes in a good wind. Very comfortable, but I would want to insulate the floor the next time – the water was cold. I am definitely shopping for a fishing kayak before I get a float tube. Three of us took one morning off from fishing to paddle the Lobster River into Lobster Lake, purportedly the ‘most beautiful lake in Maine’. The ‘river’ is a deep wide flat water – it flows in and out of Lobster Lake depending on the level of the Penobscot. The day we went it seemed not to be flowing at all. Two of us were in my cruising canoe and Steve was in the Pungo. He paddled probably 25% faster than us – I was very impressed. The river is gorgeous and has lots of waterfowl to watch. Lots of moose, including a cow with twin calves that just watched us paddle through. The moose calves were a lot lighter than the adults – a light tan, like a white tail deer. Lobster Lake has sandy beaches which is rare in Maine. We paddled out to a long beach with a 90 foot long white pine we could use as a bench. Even the driftwood in Maine is special! Spent about an hour soaking in the sunshine just digging the view. Mount Katahdin was lit up to the east and Mount Kisco was to the south. You could walk out about 100 yards and only be hip deep – a great swimming beach for kids. We were the only people on the lake. Lots of animal signs on the beach including deer, moose, coyote and raccoon tracks. BUGS Like the hatches, the blackflies were delayed this year. every time the wind stopped they were on us. The parking lot at Kokadjo on the Roach River was the worst. We didn’t get many bites though – they were a bit sluggish. The mosquitoes were out in force every morning and in the evenings. No-see-ums were out all the time. We didn’t have much trouble out on the water, but we had to really hustle getting geared up. SUMMARY We already booked our cabin for next year. –Stan

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Craig: Well, I’ve never heard of that place, so I can’t help. Do you know what waters you will be near? If you’re planning on bass, maybe you are heading for the upper Kennebec or Grand Lake Stream? We didn’t get near any smallmouth water at all, it’s all salmon and brookies where we were. If you are going to be anywhere near Greenville I would recommend contacting the Maine Guide and Fly Shop at PO Box 1202, Greenville, Maine 04441 207 695-2266. Nice people. Nice shop. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan — Thanks for the report. I am going to be in that area next week — in Molunkus, ME <whereever that is!). I’m a beginning fly fisherman, but I’m making the trip with a bunch of spin fisherman. Did you notice if there were any guide services in the area? Did you flyfish for bass at all?? Thanks again, Craig

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Stan — Thanks for the report. I am going to be in that area next week — in Molunkus, ME <whereever that is!). I’m a beginning fly fisherman, but I’m making the trip with a bunch of spin fisherman. Did you notice if there were any guide services in the area? Did you flyfish for bass at all?? Thanks again, Craig – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the last week in the beautiful country just outside Baxter State Park in north central Maine. If you are not interested in details, here’s the summary: weather was ideal, water temps in the rivers and ponds was between 60 and 64 degrees F, a 6 inch native landlocked salmon on a dry fly is much more fun than a 12" stocked rainbow, moose are really dumb looking. WEATHER The usual daily high was just over 70 F. High puffy clouds in a perfect blue sky. The wind would not pick up until 9AM and would stop by 8:30 PM. During the day the wind was pretty constant making canoeing very difficult on the bigger lakes – very big whitecaps were common. We had one rainy day on Wednesday but the steady rain didn’t start until mid afternoon. HATCHES Spring was cold and rainy so the hatches are at least a week later than normal. Caddis, caddis, caddis. There was virtually nothing going on top on the ponds or the South Branch Penobscot in the mornings. A few Hendricksons and the occasional caddis. Very few mayflies. We saw lots of black caddis (body and wings) around the ponds but very few in the Penobscot. Those were usually light tan wings with a brownish-gray body. One night I pulled a small yellow stonefly out of the air but we didn’t see any on the water. We picked up salmon on almost every kind of caddis dry we had regardless of body color, although a light tan wing and light brown body seemed to work best. My best fly was a tan foam bodied elk hair caddis with a bleached elk wing and a cdc underwing. Size 12-14. The nightly caddis hatch on the Penobscot was amazing – the adults were migrating up river in a continuous stream. Looking up it looked like a snowstorm. On the roads there were so many caddis bodies they were kicking up like dust. Awesome. And the salmon fishing was awesome because of that. We saw a few caddis on Nesowadnehunk Lake but also the beginning of the big yellow mayfly hatch (size 6, maybe a kind of hexagenia). That hatch should peak next week. The brookies were suckers for any big yellow fly. SCENERY World class beauty. The mountains of Baxter are always in the background wherever you go. We saw gorgeous sunsets lighting up Katahdin from Nesowadnehunk. The Penobscot is probably the most scenic river I’ve ever fished. FISH The area is noted for landlocked salmon and brookies. Not the giant brookies like in the Rapid River, but the pond brookies go up to 18 inches. We mostly saw brookies in the 6-10 inch range. There are also togue in the bigger lakes (lake trout, we didn’t fish for them), and splake (a sterile brookie/togue hybrid) in the ponds. My friends caught a couple of splake about 19 inches on trolled wooly buggers in the pond we camped on. The big story is the landlocked salmon (people call them landlocks or just salmon). The Penobscot in that area is a tail water fishery below the Ripogenus Dam. The big salmon were hard to find last week – we saw a couple in the 16 inch range, one 18 and one 20. Most were little guys in the 10-12 inch range and a lot in the 6-8 inch range. They were loving elk hair caddis all week even in the morning when nothing was coming off. We had a little action on caddis larva and emergers in the daytime. In general the fishing was fair until about 10AM and then it pretty much shut off until the nightly hatch started at about 7PM. The nightly caddis hatches were awesome. There were salmon rising all over the river in every area we fished. The area was pretty busy but we didn’t have trouble finding fishable stretches where there were no other people. WILDLIFE Moose everywhere and lots of snowshoe hares. We had one big bull moose who refused to get off the road. We had the Jeep within 10 feet of him and he just wouldn’t give us room. After about 15 minutes he decided we were boring and loped off into the woods. We saw a couple of eagles and an osprey, a black backed woodpecker, loons, mergansers, and one cormorant. I found fresh bear tracks along the river one morning but we didn’t spot any bears. Found coyote tracks and scat at one lake. ON THE WATER I tried float tubing for the first time on this trip. I will remember to check for wader leaks the next time. I had a pinhole leak in the butt of my waders from resting on a rock earlier in the day and within an hour I was floating around with a gallon of water down each leg. But it as fun, and it certainly is easier to stay put than in a canoe. I also tried fishing from a kayak on this trip. My friend Steve had brought his Wilderness Systems Pungo and I really liked it. It was plenty big enough for this big guy and it handled great. I was able to cruise effortlessly on some big lakes in a good wind. Very comfortable, but I would want to insulate the floor the next time – the water was cold. I am definitely shopping for a fishing kayak before I get a float tube. Three of us took one morning off from fishing to paddle the Lobster River into Lobster Lake, purportedly the ‘most beautiful lake in Maine’. The ‘river’ is a deep wide flat water – it flows in and out of Lobster Lake depending on the level of the Penobscot. The day we went it seemed not to be flowing at all. Two of us were in my cruising canoe and Steve was in the Pungo. He paddled probably 25% faster than us – I was very impressed. The river is gorgeous and has lots of waterfowl to watch. Lots of moose, including a cow with twin calves that just watched us paddle through. The moose calves were a lot lighter than the adults – a light tan, like a white tail deer. Lobster Lake has sandy beaches which is rare in Maine. We paddled out to a long beach with a 90 foot long white pine we could use as a bench. Even the driftwood in Maine is special! Spent about an hour soaking in the sunshine just digging the view. Mount Katahdin was lit up to the east and Mount Kisco was to the south. You could walk out about 100 yards and only be hip deep – a great swimming beach for kids. We were the only people on the lake. Lots of animal signs on the beach including deer, moose, coyote and raccoon tracks. BUGS Like the hatches, the blackflies were delayed this year. every time the wind stopped they were on us. The parking lot at Kokadjo on the Roach River was the worst. We didn’t get many bites though – they were a bit sluggish. The mosquitoes were out in force every morning and in the evenings. No-see-ums were out all the time. We didn’t have much trouble out on the water, but we had to really hustle getting geared up. SUMMARY We already booked our cabin for next year. –Stan

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Well, they looked like a kind of hexagenia to me, and I know people call them that, but we found little info on the web about hexes really existing in Maine. Maybe they are really an Eastern Green Drake, but they sure looked true yellow to me. The Nesowadnehunk inlet is a muddy bottom so it makes sense. We just call them ‘the big yellow mayfly’ so we all know it’s time to get out the size sixers. And the hatch my friends saw there last June sounded incredible – so many fish rising it sounded like a steady

rain. Some folks here call them Green Drakes but it’s a misnomer, hexes it is. When they come off in good numbers the ponds look like it’s raining bowling balls. I had the good fortune to hit them two summers ago on thistle pond (just north of Nesowadnehunk a mile or so). I went up 8 nights in a row to fish the hatch, simply awesome fishing. I’m currently scheduled to go back up the 7th, they should be in full hatch then. Flyfish

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______ What a great descriptive Stan. Good work! MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry for the bogus reply…I hit the wrong damn button…my eyes must be going… Stan those big yellow mays, if turely size 6, are indeed the Hex hatch…pant pant… Thistle pond here I come…pant pant… beautiful area around Baxter, makes me wish I never quit up at Great Northern Paper (Millinocket) where I had two beautiful years of living on the edge of nowhere… Flyfish

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Sorry for the bogus reply…I hit the wrong damn button…my eyes must be going… Stan those big yellow mays, if turely size 6, are indeed the Hex hatch…pant pant… Thistle pond here I come…pant pant… beautiful area around Baxter, makes me wish I never quit up at Great Northern Paper (Millinocket) where I had two beautiful years of living on the edge of nowhere… Flyfish

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Thanks, Stan…. I believe we will be fishing on the Penobscot mostly. The owner of the ‘camp’ where we are staying says that there is access to the landlocked salmon on parts of the river, but I got the impression that I’d mostly be fishing for smallmouths. Thanks again, Craig – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I found Molunkus. It’s about 50 miles east of where we go, east of Millinocket. I know there’s a lot of guides and at least one fly shop in Millinocket. Try Toute’s Fly Shop in Millinocket (207-723-5442). Or the Maine Guide Association listings at http://www.maineguides.org/company.html Good luck! Stan — Thanks for the report. I am going to be in that area next week — in Molunkus, ME <whereever that is!). I’m a beginning fly fisherman, but I’m making the trip with a bunch of spin fisherman. Did you notice if there were any guide services in the area? Did you flyfish for bass at all?? Thanks again, Craig

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I spent the last week in the beautiful country just outside Baxter State Park in north central Maine. If you are not interested in details, here’s the summary: weather was ideal, water temps in the rivers and ponds was between 60 and 64 degrees F, a 6 inch native landlocked salmon on a dry fly is much more fun than a 12" stocked rainbow, moose are really dumb looking. WEATHER The usual daily high was just over 70 F. High puffy clouds in a perfect blue sky. The wind would not pick up until 9AM and would stop by 8:30 PM. During the day the wind was pretty constant making canoeing very difficult on the bigger lakes – very big whitecaps were common. We had one rainy day on Wednesday but the steady rain didn’t start until mid afternoon. HATCHES Spring was cold and rainy so the hatches are at least a week later than normal. Caddis, caddis, caddis. There was virtually nothing going on top on the ponds or the South Branch Penobscot in the mornings. A few Hendricksons and the occasional caddis. Very few mayflies. We saw lots of black caddis (body and wings) around the ponds but very few in the Penobscot. Those were usually light tan wings with a brownish-gray body. One night I pulled a small yellow stonefly out of the air but we didn’t see any on the water. We picked up salmon on almost every kind of caddis dry we had regardless of body color, although a light tan wing and light brown body seemed to work best. My best fly was a tan foam bodied elk hair caddis with a bleached elk wing and a cdc underwing. Size 12-14. The nightly caddis hatch on the Penobscot was amazing – the adults were migrating up river in a continuous stream. Looking up it looked like a snowstorm. On the roads there were so many caddis bodies they were kicking up like dust. Awesome. And the salmon fishing was awesome because of that. We saw a few caddis on Nesowadnehunk Lake but also the beginning of the big yellow mayfly hatch (size 6, maybe a kind of hexagenia). That hatch should peak next week. The brookies were suckers for any big yellow fly. SCENERY World class beauty. The mountains of Baxter are always in the background wherever you go. We saw gorgeous sunsets lighting up Katahdin from Nesowadnehunk. The Penobscot is probably the most scenic river I’ve ever fished. FISH The area is noted for landlocked salmon and brookies. Not the giant brookies like in the Rapid River, but the pond brookies go up to 18 inches. We mostly saw brookies in the 6-10 inch range. There are also togue in the bigger lakes (lake trout, we didn’t fish for them), and splake (a sterile brookie/togue hybrid) in the ponds. My friends caught a couple of splake about 19 inches on trolled wooly buggers in the pond we camped on. The big story is the landlocked salmon (people call them landlocks or just salmon). The Penobscot in that area is a tail water fishery below the Ripogenus Dam. The big salmon were hard to find last week – we saw a couple in the 16 inch range, one 18 and one 20. Most were little guys in the 10-12 inch range and a lot in the 6-8 inch range. They were loving elk hair caddis all week even in the morning when nothing was coming off. We had a little action on caddis larva and emergers in the daytime. In general the fishing was fair until about 10AM and then it pretty much shut off until the nightly hatch started at about 7PM. The nightly caddis hatches were awesome. There were salmon rising all over the river in every area we fished. The area was pretty busy but we didn’t have trouble finding fishable stretches where there were no other people. WILDLIFE Moose everywhere and lots of snowshoe hares. We had one big bull moose who refused to get off the road. We had the Jeep within 10 feet of him and he just wouldn’t give us room. After about 15 minutes he decided we were boring and loped off into the woods. We saw a couple of eagles and an osprey, a black backed woodpecker, loons, mergansers, and one cormorant. I found fresh bear tracks along the river one morning but we didn’t spot any bears. Found coyote tracks and scat at one lake. ON THE WATER I tried float tubing for the first time on this trip. I will remember to check for wader leaks the next time. I had a pinhole leak in the butt of my waders from resting on a rock earlier in the day and within an hour I was floating around with a gallon of water down each leg. But it as fun, and it certainly is easier to stay put than in a canoe. I also tried fishing from a kayak on this trip. My friend Steve had brought his Wilderness Systems Pungo and I really liked it. It was plenty big enough for this big guy and it handled great. I was able to cruise effortlessly on some big lakes in a good wind. Very comfortable, but I would want to insulate the floor the next time – the water was cold. I am definitely shopping for a fishing kayak before I get a float tube. Three of us took one morning off from fishing to paddle the Lobster River into Lobster Lake, purportedly the ‘most beautiful lake in Maine’. The ‘river’ is a deep wide flat water – it flows in and out of Lobster Lake depending on the level of the Penobscot. The day we went it seemed not to be flowing at all. Two of us were in my cruising canoe and Steve was in the Pungo. He paddled probably 25% faster than us – I was very impressed. The river is gorgeous and has lots of waterfowl to watch. Lots of moose, including a cow with twin calves that just watched us paddle through. The moose calves were a lot lighter than the adults – a light tan, like a white tail deer. Lobster Lake has sandy beaches which is rare in Maine. We paddled out to a long beach with a 90 foot long white pine we could use as a bench. Even the driftwood in Maine is special! Spent about an hour soaking in the sunshine just digging the view. Mount Katahdin was lit up to the east and Mount Kisco was to the south. You could walk out about 100 yards and only be hip deep – a great swimming beach for kids. We were the only people on the lake. Lots of animal signs on the beach including deer, moose, coyote and raccoon tracks. BUGS Like the hatches, the blackflies were delayed this year. every time the wind stopped they were on us. The parking lot at Kokadjo on the Roach River was the worst. We didn’t get many bites though – they were a bit sluggish. The mosquitoes were out in force every morning and in the evenings. No-see-ums were out all the time. We didn’t have much trouble out on the water, but we had to really hustle getting geared up. SUMMARY We already booked our cabin for next year. –Stan

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FS-Fishing supplies and accessories

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Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod, 6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867 Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer. They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod, 6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867 Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer. They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I know what should be missing…….this thread from the — The RodMaker(aka) The Shadow……hehehe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing… Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod, 6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867 Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer. They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » wt and length of leader

wt and length of leader

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I have read that it is a good idea to attach a short length of monofilament to the end of one’s line and finishing it with a perfection loop. This would enable one to attach (and exchange) different leaders without having to tie a knot (loop to loop) and saves the end of the fly line from repeated clippings. I would like to know two things: 1. Who uses this and do you like it? 2. What length and pound test of mono would you suggest for a 5wt fly line? Thanks in advance for your help. JB

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JB, I used to use a perfection loop but changed last year when I realized that 98% of any windknots I got were wrapped around the loop connection. I now tie on a 12"-18" section of heavy (20#) mono directly to the end of the fly line using a blood knot, then tie in a knotless leader one size under my desired tippet (again with a blood knot), then finally tie in a tippet of the desired length and weight using either a surgeons knot or another blood knot. When the tippet needs replaced I just snip off just behind the last knot and tie in another length. The leader is handled the same way. When the heavy mono gets below six inches I snip it off just behind the knot and tie in again. While this does cause some loss of the fly line it is very little, less than a inch last year. I figure by the time I get to the point where it interferes with the geometry of the fly line it will be time to replace the line anyway. When I first started this I got a spool of 10# mono and practiced tying blood knots while watching TV or listening to the stereo. I had always avoided tying the blood knot as it appeared difficult and clumsy but after a week of practicing during TV or stereo I was tying them without looking. Overall this system has been easy for me to use and its reduced my windknots by maybe 50%. Just my experience. Regards, Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have read that it is a good idea to attach a short length of monofilament to the end of one’s line and finishing it with a perfection loop. This would enable one to attach (and exchange) different leaders without having to tie a knot (loop to loop) and saves the end of the fly line from repeated clippings. I would like to know two things: 1. Who uses this and do you like it? 2. What length and pound test of mono would you suggest for a 5wt fly line? Thanks in advance for your help. JB

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______ If you will TRASH that loop to loop connection because you’re so lazy to do it right, your delivery will be most assured and up town as a serious fly fisherman. Need I be more blunt?

No, but you might try saying it in English. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it. — Dave Barry

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Don, Thanks for the advice, I appreciate you sharing your experience and I will give your method a try. Kind of you to help, thanks again. EJB

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EJB I agree with Don and do it exactly the same way he does. I use the same poundage lines too. If I were writing the first reply, it would have been the same as Don’s Good luck! Bob

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I use a loop-to-loop connection between leader and tippet only if the tippet is 4lb test or higher. A good knot will distribute the stress over several wraps of monofilament. A loop to loop connection is just line against line. In most cases, I’ll tie on a tippet with a surgeon’s knot. Mu

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______ If you will TRASH that loop to loop connection because you’re so lazy to do it right, your delivery will be most assured and up town as a serious fly fisherman. Need I be more blunt? — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/ Updates http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST till after midnight.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » A thought about the Clave

A thought about the Clave

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You won’t be mindin’ if we keep an eye on where the hole card comes from. ;-)

hell no, i was going to get Honest Wayno’s Guide Service to do the dealing. If you can’t trust an attorney, who can you trust? Personally, I was hoping one of Big John’s gals would handle the deal. About the fish, now I know why I’ve heard stories of you going through a crate of splitshot a season. :)

don’t know ’bout ’shot…..you’d have to talk to Matt "egg-dredgin" McCray ’bout dat. Waldo, lost two wild brookies today….man I’m rusty.

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This Clave thing presents a great opportunity for a human interest story for a FFing magazine. Here’s the concept. A bunch of crusty old flyfishers get together in NC. They have only two things in common: a love of flyfishing and an acquaintance through ROFF. These guys don’t know each other face-to-face, for the most part, but they are acquainted through years and years of give-and-take in a Usenet group. Imagine the group dynamics. Who can outfish whom? Who can tell the biggest lies? Who knows the perfect knot? Who has the best self-tied flies? Will they check their weapons at the door? It goes on and on. Yep, it could be a great story. If you know a good writer please clue him in. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This Clave thing presents a great opportunity for a human interest story for a FFing magazine. (snip) Yep, it could be a great story. If you know a good writer please clue him in. more than one of those will be present as participants. you will not be disappointed with the communiques from the front, nor with reviews filed upon a chance for retrospection. wayno —

wayno, can i be the gun checker? btw, was that you are chub that got the sam in the ass saturday? makes you feel like that monkey, donchano. i can’t even view it now, it hurts. i’m off….damn tax thing tomorrow. waldo

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This Clave thing presents a great opportunity for a human interest story for a FFing magazine. (snip) Yep, it could be a great story. If you know a good writer please clue him in.

more than one of those will be present as participants. you will not be disappointed with the communiques from the front, nor with reviews filed upon a chance for retrospection. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This Clave thing presents a great opportunity for a human interest story for a FFing magazine. (snip) Yep, it could be a great story. If you know a good writer please clue him in. more than one of those will be present as participants. you will not be disappointed with the communiques from the front, nor with reviews filed upon a chance for retrospection. wayno — wayno, can i be the gun checker? btw, was that you are chub that got the sam in the ass saturday? makes you feel like that monkey, donchano. i can’t even view it now, it hurts. i’m off….damn tax thing tomorrow. waldo

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » White River, Arkansaw

White River, Arkansaw

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I just got back from the White river,fished nymphs,midges,and sow bugs, caught some fish.I fished an olive wooley bugger tied sparce size10 and caught MANY fish!

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april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

I have never fished the area in April, but the White can be a good river to wade depending on how much water is being released from the dam at Bull Shoals.Dale Fulton runs Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home. He would be a fantastic point of contact because he is extremely knowledgable. His E-mail is like most other rivers in that sometimes dry flies work and sometimes they don’t. I prefer to fish with soft hackles so that is what I use a lot. A local pattern known as the Red Ass has done real well for me.I always take some small olive woolly buggers as well. Some people use carcass flies as well due to the turbines. Hope this helps a bit and you have a great time Big Dale

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there? I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth.

Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

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Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.

There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description).

Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers?

If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers? If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t forget the Yuk Bugs…..the browns love em’ at night… Greg H.

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I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth. Big Dale

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My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Trinity River Steelhead

Trinity River Steelhead

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Hi All, You might think about the Trinity River in Nor Cal for steelhead this fall. I start fishing there in October, but November through March can be very steady. Look at Herb and Pat Burton’s web site for a good fly shop and guide servise. www.trinityflyshop.com Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Bill: By the way, I am totally satisfied with Orvis Battenkill 7/8 for my summer steelhead fishing (I use a 10 foot 7 weight rod). It can handle any steelhead under 20 pounds; I have never hooked bigger ones (Well, I might have, then they all broke off). And it is very affordable. Now I need to replace my Lamson LP-7, which I have used with a 15 foot Spey rod. I lost two hot steelhead last spring because the Lamson went free spooling. Do you think Battenkill 10/11 is a good replacement? It needs to hold at least 150 yards of 30 pound backing with a 80 feet 10 weight DT line. Shinji on the Sky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, You might think about the Trinity River in Nor Cal for steelhead this fall. I start fishing there in October, but November through March can be very steady. Look at Herb and Pat Burton’s web site for a good fly shop and guide servise. www.trinityflyshop.com Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Hackle Question

Hackle Question

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As with anything having to do with this sport, get the best you can afford. Metz, Spencer, and a half-dozen other growers often sell half capes for about the same price as the next grade down. Unless you are tying up to professional prodution a good #2 grade half will last through several seasons. Everyone resents the initial outlay of $$$ for a good cape, but the payoff is you don’t purchase them very often. Cabela’s and other supply houses also sell decent genetic necks that are quite useful, if limited in size and color.

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how bout finding some fishin’ buddies to split some necks with….that how I started out. some times stores will sell you split necks, if you take classes from them…they can always use the other half in class or for production tying. i agree with the other respondent, however, buy the best you can..you’ll be disappointed with the #3’s for drys size 14 and smaller. happy tying,….and DON"T GIVE UP!! there aren’t enuff of us out there! #:)# Larry Medina

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Hoffman Super Saddle. Tons of real long feathers 10 down to 18 or so. Can tie two or three flies per feather.

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I need some new hackle, I’m getting better at tieing, and the hackle from the kit sucks. I would like to hear some opinions on which Hackle to buy. I am leaning towards Metz grade #3 in Grizzly from Orvis (29 bucks), anyone know of a better deal let me know. Thanks. Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought that a grade three hackle would be better for tying wet flies than dry, but I just read an article that said that they rate the hackle by the count of usable feathers, the main size, and length. I thought that a grade 3 hackle would be softer hackle than a grade 1 or 2 is this true or are there just more usable feathers on a grade 1. Can you tye as good a dry with a grade 3 hackle as you could with grade 1. I am simply a begginer I dont know grade 3 hackles are softer by expierience I just thought that was how it was THANKS! The factors that determine a hackle grade are numerous. A neck or saddle are graded on the number of usable hackles, length of hackle, color, webbiness, stem diameter and uniformity of barbule lengtht. Now the problem arises when you compare hackles from two different companies. A #2 Hoffman may be better than a #1Metz metz. Will a #3 be "softer"? Well yes it may have a little, or a lot, more web depending on the company. A #3 Hoffman will tie a good dry fly, but some of the other companies it may not. The best thing to do is to inspect it carefully before you buy it. Generally it can be said that you will get what you pay for. About 7 years ago I bought my first Hoffman saddle and now I am hooked. I have currently 5 Hoffman saddles and 3 necks. They are the only ones I use for my dries. I know they are kinda expensive and I have a tight budget, but they are worth it. There is nothing more frustrating to me than trying to tie a good fly with a shitty feather. Good Luck, Marty

Hi Marty, I agree. Hoffman is only company that has saddle hackle that is small and stiff for trout dries. In the old days, we always used rooster saddles for wets and rooster necks for dries. Henry Hoffman changed that. Metz saddles are better for wet flies as they don’t seem to be stiff enough for dries. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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<big snip Then Metz started to become available and Henry started to bring over some of his first "super grizzly". This is one area where materials have only gotten better.

Amen to that. Several months ago a guy came into the local shop carrying grampa’s tying kit. Grampa must have been a serious tyer, the kit had a lot of really nice stuff (jungle cock cape, etc), the tools and thread were all top quality from that era. The dry fly hackles were a different story altogether; the individual feathers were all tapered, the stems were thick (compared to modern hackle), and none of the feathers would tie smaller than about sz 10. Charlie

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writes: Amen to that. Several months ago a guy came into the local shop carrying grampa’s tying kit. Grampa must have been a serious tyer, the kit had a lot of really nice stuff (jungle cock cape, etc), the tools and thread were all top quality from that era. The dry fly hackles were a different story altogether; the individual feathers were all tapered, the stems were thick (compared to modern hackle), and none of the feathers would tie smaller than about sz 10.

I’m not yet as old as grandpa, but a size 16 would be the smallest you could find on a neck, they would be less than an inch long, and you would need to use at 3 or 4 feathers to tie one fly. Thought I’d died and gone to heaven when I got my first Metz #2 brown neck. I still have it but there are no feathers left smaller than #10. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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writes: Hi! I thought that a grade three hackle would be better for tying wet flies than dry, but I just read an article that said that they rate the hackle by the count of usable feathers, the main size, and length. I thought that a grade 3 hackle would be softer hackle than a grade 1 or 2 is this true or are there just more usable feathers on a grade 1. Can you tye as good a dry with a grade 3 hackle as you could with grade 1. I am simply a begginer I dont know grade 3 hackles are softer by expierience I just thought that was how it was THANKS!

Hi Dolph, As others have said here, none of the growers grade on the same standards. But within a particular brand, there is a big difference between a #1 and a #3. Historically (this is all subject to change), the #1 necks had higher feather counts, smaller sizes, less webbing, longer length feathers (more useable feather), more flexible stems, rounder stems, and denser barb counts on the feather (more barbs per inch). Usually the biggest difference between 1 and 2’s is the quantity of small sizes – more of the 20 through 24 sizes on the #1’s. Often the #1’s don’t have useable size 10 or 12 feathers because the stems are too thick. #3 necks often have more webbing than 1’s or 2’s but not always. Most often the biggest difference between 2’s and 3’s is that the stems on the 3’s are stiffer, and sometimes oblong instead of round. This makes them very tough to wind. The grading system is hardly perfect and you can often look through a batch of #2’s and find some that are as good as the #1’s and #’3s that are as good as 2’s. Nothing compares to the Hoffman’s necks. Their #2’s are comparable to just about anyone elses #1’s. The saddles make great dry fly tying feathers but primarily have only 2 sizes on them. The necks have a wide assortment of sizes. Haven’t seen any saddles that will compare with the Hoffman’s for dry flys. For wet flies I still use hen neck feathers. They are shorter and have more rounded tips. These are always webby and fold easily for that swept back look on wets. Used to be able to find them easily and they were cheap. Haven’t seen many in recent years. Get them if you can find them, they are a far better choice for wet flies than rooster necks. We are spoiled today with the necks available. I remember when indian capes were all that you could get. I would take a trip over to Tigard, OR once in a while just to paw through Kaufmann’s capes. Lance and Randall would go over to India each year, select their own stock, and bring it back. Then Metz started to become available and Henry started to bring over some of his first "super grizzly". This is one area where materials have only gotten better. Good Tying, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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When you use TWO on a dry fly, you need to take a size 16 (for example) feather from the right side of a cape and the left side. Mr. G.

Good post. I’m curious about your left/right suggestion. I never make any effort to use feathers from opposite sides of the cape when double wrapping. Could you elaborate more on why this is useful? Regards, Joe.

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Hi! I thought that a grade three hackle would be better for tying wet flies than dry, but I just read an article that said that they rate the hackle by the count of usable feathers, the main size, and length. I thought that a grade 3 hackle would be softer hackle than a grade 1 or 2 is this true or are there just more usable feathers on a grade 1. Can you tye as good a dry with a grade 3 hackle as you could with grade 1. I am simply a begginer I dont know grade 3 hackles are softer by expierience I just thought that was how it was THANKS! Dolph

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DEAR BUZZARD: You happen to ask a question that I must rise too. It is an excellent question. May I add a few thoughts to get this discussion going? The observation is keen that different hackle manufacturers are indeed grading their hackles differently. In fact, I doubt the lot of them ever got together and came up with a standard that rates necks from different companies to the same matching-game. Everyone should give this some thought. Frankly Buzzard, you’re going to have to become a good judge of hackle/necks yourself. There are certain things you must always pay attention too and I’m not about to cover them all here and now. But each tier has certain patterns that require different advantages from feathers. They can be softness, hardness, webbing, lack of webbing, short feathers, long feathers, narrow and wide, the combinations are endless and all feathers have a use in fly tying in one fly or another. Remembe this. Never throw them away. Besides colors (any color) A feather for DRY FLY FISHING is different in desired aspects than hen feathers for wet flies, nymphs, streamers, etc. BUT! A hen feather doesn’t necessarily mean it is a feather of less worth. I (personally) won’t settle for a number two neck when for a few dollars more I will be happier with a number one (1)! The difference between a two and a one can be miles apart even though the numbers are next to each other. Numbers mean different values to different people. In grading feathers (Cock necks) throw the number system out the window. Waste it. It means nothing between manufacturers, BUT with a specific manufacturer such as Hoffman necks, it can be a very reliable numbering system because of one factor. Hoffman Products (now raised in Grand Junction Colorado) are CONSISTANT and TIGHT in quality. Whereas; Metz Necks vary with the wind and each chicken season. Quality always suffers when production increases beyond supervisory abilities. Hate to say it, but its true. A DRY FLY FEATHER must have certain factors for each tier. Length, evenly wide hackles, very little webbing, barbel stiffness, sharp tips (not curled on the ends, etc.) flexiable (not brittle) stems, maturity, (in look and feel) and when you inspect a neck, make sure the skin isn’t brittle so it will crack when bent a little. (Use some gink on the skin back to keep it from drying out. Excellent for this, incidently. And please everyone, don’t slam me for offering a friendly fact) So, basically, today . . . because of neck retail prices, the trend is splitting a Hoffman neck. When you buy a split, you are getting only right handed or left handed bends in feathers. When you use TWO on a dry fly, you need to take a size 16 (for example) feather from the right side of a cape and the left side. So, what I’m saying, is . . . if at all possible, always buy the complete neck if its financially comfortable or possible. I’ll let everyone take it from here. Mr. G. Hi! I thought that a grade three hackle would be better for tying wet flies than dry, but I just read an article that said that they rate the hackle by the count of usable feathers, the main size, and length. I thought that a grade 3 hackle would be softer hackle than a grade 1 or 2 is this true or are there just more usable feathers on a grade 1. Can you tye as good a dry with a grade 3 hackle as you could with grade 1. I am simply a begginer I dont know grade 3 hackles are softer by expierience I just thought that was how it was THANKS! Dolph

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Peterson)" says: anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Comparaduns.

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Looking for information on the upper Kings River, above Pine Flat dam. I read an earlier posting on the area around Courtright Res., and would love some specifics on that area, as I live very close. What about the Bear Creek Diversion and above? Any one have any comments and or experiences up in those parts? Thanks in advance. Sean

Hi Sean: Bear Creek above the dam to Twin Falls (especially the 100 yards or so just below the falls) is fairly good for brook trout from late May to early July. But be prepared for mosquitos from late June on. It’s a real nice day trip. The only fishing I’ve done on the Kings River is on the South Fork in Paradise Valley (7 miles in from Cedar Grove Road end). Really nice just before Memorial Day when the black ants start flying. It’s my Spring ritual to work out the kinks. Mark

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The upper Kings river used to be an awsome fishery. Large rainbows. I havent fished it since 1986 but when I did I caught four large bows on a stonefly nymph. They ranged from 20-24 inches and were thick bodied. I don’t know if the drought affected the fishery or not. Of course this time of the year the enormous runoff makes fishing difficult at best and you have to compete with the river rafters. You should also be advised to keep a sharp eye on your step the rattlers are everywhere and they are gigantic. I have even seen them swimming in the river. My advise to you is to take the dirt road at the second bridge, take the road on the side of the river that you are on before you cross the bridge otherwise you will encounter to much rafter traffic enroute to or coming from Garnet Dike area which is a favorite raft launching spot. Good luck. Regarding bear diversion ; Good area small trout but plentifull, mostly brookies. I know some fantastic fishing areas in the Kaiser wilderness area that I dont necessarily want to share with the world but if you will E-mail me personally I will share them privately because you are a FSU Bulldog. What do you think about the Shark getting hired? You should also be aware that Bear CCreek is out at least till Memorial day because of the snow. My sources with SCE say that Kaiser Pass probebly

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i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact we live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous — gp

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

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what is going on with this group i sent 4 postings and they have all gone with the rest of them is there some time limit on the postingsand is it possible to read old back posting thanks — gp

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: i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact we : live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any : pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, : norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well : as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an : abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. : the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous : — : gp —It sounds like you can tie just about any nymph there is. For dries you definately want some hackle (or duck quills for no hackle dries). jamie

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Tie the Rhycophilia Caddis pupa (sp?). It’ just a fur dubbed body. Add some long hair to the head as legs. All you need are some 200R or 205BL hooks. Substitute hair for tail, wingcase and legs in most patterns and you’ll be able to tie most nymphs. Invent your own patterns! Gold Ribbed Mink Stole… –jim

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I got your messages. Drop a not on my email directly. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Zonkers, Bunny leaches, Kiwi Mudlers, These use patches of tanned hide with the hair on. They are the easiest way I know of to use up lots of tanned hides with fur on. Otherwise, TRADE! I’m sure lots of folks would be happy to trade something they have in excess for your fur, myself included. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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GP– sounds like a great find. You might try a fly called the Usual, It’s kind of a Comparadun/emerger cross. It uses guard and underfur tied up for a wing and underfur for dubbing. It also has guard hair for a tail. You might want to consider getting yourself a dry fly neck, you have some great dubbing for it (esp. the beaver otter and mukrat) if they haven’t been processed to much. Otherwise any of your furs would work for different nymph patterns.

Another thing he might consider doing is going into a flyfishing shop and see if they are interested in trading some of the fur for some hackle necks. Not all flyfishing shops will accept furs but some will. Heck, he might be able to find some people here that would be willing to do some trades. Some might even be willing to purchase some of the fur from you outright and then he could use the money to buy some hackle necks. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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So I’m not the only one that has looked at a woman wearing a fur and thought "look at all that fly tying material". — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup… My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old. I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again. Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now- From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that. Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice. I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject. I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here. From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now. Then, we have to have a vote. I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?). I’m kind of busy for another week or so, and like I’ve said- I’m no expert here. Is there some flyfishing sys admin who could help us set it up? Or email me and I’ll do it myself? If you don’t think we should have a new newsgroup, that’s fine. But, you certainly can’t be against having a discussion and vote, right? Thanks- -Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup… My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old. I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again. Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now- From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that. Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice. I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject. I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here. From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now. Then, we have to have a vote. I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).

Technically, any discussion on here is pretty much a waste of time if the true intent is to alter/create newsgroups and/or their structure. Your efforts would be better spent in the news.- forums, because that is where these things are decided. Personally, I just don’t see the traffic in either alt.fishing or rec.outdoors.fishing that would indicate the need for further subdivision. The fact that the flyfish listserv does carry a lot of traffic is totally irrelevant to any discussion of usenet newsgroups – they just aren’t related. And who says bass fisherman don’t also flyfish? — Northern Trust Co. Chicago, IL | DoD #97779 88 FLHTC

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Certainly the list-server will NOT be shut down for a varity of reasons, not to mention that some folks do not have access to a news server – only e-mail. I do think we need to pursue the creation of rec.fishing.flyfishing or whatever. Thomas Gilg First, let me clarify that I’m NOT proposing we terminate the flyfishing listserv. I do remain concerned however at the listserv’s explosive growth, and the ability of the list maintainer and we readers to keep up with it. Flyfish Listserv Post Statistics for 11/92 thru 2/94 1000 950 * 900 850 p 800 o 750 + (half month) s 700 t 650 * s 600 * 550 * * * 500 450 400 * * * * 350 300 * 250 200 * 150 * 100 * 50 * 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 1992 1993 1994 month and year I loved the group *the way it was*, but times are changing, and none of us can change that fact. Question is, what should we do? I see several opportunities: o Get more leverage from NEWS o Find tools which help e-mail only users deal with the traffic. o Setup services that give users visibility into the forums they currently don’t have access to. o Figure out how WWW/Mosaic might help us. Other options (I’m not endorsing) include: o Restricted list servers o Subgrouped flyfish listserv’s What it all comes down to: how do we manage the unstoppable growth, changes and limits we’re seeing in the electronic flyfishing forums? Thomas Gilg

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