I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group…
Ahem. More like we went in together on a group order. –Steve
Sorry Steve should have mentioned the ‘gang’ thing…yes indeed I got it with a group order…but my main point was it was perfect for my 3 piece, cuz it had 3 compartments and keeps my 3 forks all snug and safe 
Padishar Creel
Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick?
Frank Church, John Popp and I believe Jon Cook have all stated several times over in the past few years that they highly recommend it. I have a Browning Medallion 7′ 5wt that’s within that price range that I would recommend. Quite a fun rod that has bested many a smallmouth bass. Moderately slow action. Mu
I have a Cabela’s Stowaway 5 pc. 5 wt. I love the action on this rod. However, the other day I left the rod in my truck. It was inside the green canvas bag, inside an aluminum tube. I went to fish with it and on the third section at the ferrule there was a whitish color to the dope used on the wrapping. The eye closest to the ferrule also had the soft white dope. The stuff was soft to the touch. I fished with it and by the end of the day the dope was almost dry, but with a cloudy haze on the finish. I traded emails with Cabela’s and I’m sending the rod back. I don’t think the dope cured correctly when it was applied. I’ve never had this problem with another make.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the 7′6" 3 piece 3wt 3 forks rod. It is a wonderful rod, and I am quite pleased with the fit and finish of the entire rod. It is a medium to stiffer action. I put an orvis reel and line on it and I have taken nice trout with no issues at all. It even has a hook keeper that many lightweight rods seem not to have (Redington are you paying attention?). I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group, and it fit perfectly. All in all it is one of my favorite sticks…I think you will be pleased with one…I fish a lot of small streams so I am not familar with their bigger rods, but if the workmanship is the same, I think they would be worth a look… Padishar Creel – I also love my Cabela’s stowaway as well. Frank Church, I believe, is also quite please with his Cabela’s rods.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Frank Church, John Popp and I believe Jon Cook have all stated several times over in the past few years that they highly recommend it. I have a Browning Medallion 7′ 5wt that’s within that price range that I would recommend. Quite a fun rod that has bested many a smallmouth bass. Moderately slow action. Mu
These are the rods I chose to keep in my Toyota Rice Burner 24/7/365. The big reason was that at 40 bucks apiece, if someone steals them, then I’m not bankrupted in getting them replaced. I have both the 3 Forks 3pc 3 wt. and the 8′ 2pc 5 wt. which should cover any fishing situation I’m apt to find myself into. For the money, they are hard to beat, and thus far have held up very well. No broomsticks here either, both have a moderate action (maybe just a tad on the slow side of moderate, especially the 5 wt) With Cabela’s return policy, you can hardly go wrong with the 3 Forks series. Frank Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com
Yeepers, I use the 3X3X7.5 for brim, trout to 3+lb (when traveling). small to average size bass. It travels with me more than my wife and is quieter. A pretty good rod, for the price a great rod. I use the reel for despooling and the line is so-so. put the rod together with a small bass pro reel and a decent line and you’ll have a combo that will look and perform like a much higher priced set-up. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob
Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob
Good choice. My Cabela’s 3wt Three Forks has a very similar (fast) action to my Sage 5wt SP, at less than 10% of the cost. I recently used it exclusively on a three-day float of the Middle Fork of the Salmon, partly because I didn’t want to risk an expensive rod in a raft. It was a joy to use. (It’s outfitted with a good reel and line. The reel costs three times the price of the rod. Even the line is more expensive than the rod.) The only problem I see is that the reel seat is a cheap piece of junk, but what can you expect for forty bucks? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Agreed, it’s thin aluminum. On the other hand my 6′ 4wt Fenwick has a robust silver nickel real seat. Problem is the reel is easily removed at the end of the day with the Cabellas, where as with the Fenwick I have to beat the reel loose. I’m not sure which I prefer, cheap easy on-off or reel won’t fall off. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob Good choice. My Cabela’s 3wt Three Forks has a very similar (fast) action to my Sage 5wt SP, at less than 10% of the cost. I recently used it exclusively on a three-day float of the Middle Fork of the Salmon, partly because I didn’t want to risk an expensive rod in a raft. It was a joy to use. (It’s outfitted with a good reel and line. The reel costs three times the price of the rod. Even the line is more expensive than the rod.) The only problem I see is that the reel seat is a cheap piece of junk, but what can you expect for forty bucks? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob
Can Only speak for the 3 wt 3 piece….cosmetics fair….workmanship fair….fish-a-bility excellent. My favorite dry fly rod. Very good rod for the price. Durability….the jury is still out. jim
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob
I have the 7′6" 3 piece 3wt 3 forks rod. It is a wonderful rod, and I am quite pleased with the fit and finish of the entire rod. It is a medium to stiffer action. I put an orvis reel and line on it and I have taken nice trout with no issues at all. It even has a hook keeper that many lightweight rods seem not to have (Redington are you paying attention?). I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group, and it fit perfectly. All in all it is one of my favorite sticks…I think you will be pleased with one…I fish a lot of small streams so I am not familar with their bigger rods, but if the workmanship is the same, I think they would be worth a look… Padishar Creel – I also love my Cabela’s stowaway as well. Frank Church, I believe, is also quite please with his Cabela’s rods.
I have the Cabela’s Three Forks in 6wt with the Prestige (Okuma Sierra) reel. I agree 100% with Jim Bennett’s review with the following addition on durability….excellent. The rod & reel have been blown off the top of my truck onto pavement, canopy door closed on it and all the hell a newbie can do to a rod. It’s still fishing! Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can Only speak for the 3 wt 3 piece….cosmetics fair….workmanship fair….fish-a-bility excellent. My favorite dry fly rod. Very good rod for the price. Durability….the jury is still out. jim Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod? I was thinking about getting one. they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog. Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob
My friend just got back from Jasper and told me of some incredible dry fly Pike fishing near Edson. We are planning a trip next June but what I want to know is are there any good lakes in BC, a little closer to my home in Vancouver, BC.
I am pretty sure that pike in BC are restricted to the northeastern portion of the province. Tim Lysyk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friend just got back from Jasper and told me of some incredible dry fly Pike fishing near Edson. We are planning a trip next June but what I want to know is are there any good lakes in BC, a little closer to my home in Vancouver, BC.
I’ll guess I’ll try over here. I sent this message to the tying group so I apologize for the redundancy. Are there any web sites known dealing with bass bug manufacture? I’m looking for something with tying instrutions and pictures. I’m a begineer with spun hair and need help. I bought the book by skip morris and am looking for other sources of help. Thanks in advance for any help. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
Jorge – there are a few other books you should try. It’s your lucky day because I just happen to have an extra copy of A. D. Livingston’s "Tying Bugs and Flies for Bass." If you want to send me an address by e-mail you can have it. Also check your local library to see if they have a copy of: "Bass Bug Fishing" by Joe Brooks or ""Fly Tying and Fly Fishing for Bass and Panfish" by Tom Nixon The Nixon book is the one that all other Bass flyfishing books are measured by and some good news, I hear it will be re-published in 2000. Good luck, Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector http://members.aol.com/BassBks/index3.html
One more thing Jorge — William Tapply’s new book "Bass Bug Fishing" is due out now. You can read a description of it on the Lyons Press web site – I’ll put the URL here: http://www.lyonspress.com/fish_ff.asp Regards, Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector
I’ll guess I’ll try over here. I sent this message to the tying
Have a look at Al Campbells fly-tying course at http://www.flyanglersonline.com he has a lot of info there about bass bugs hair etc. Click on Fly-tying from the main menu, and then go to "Intermediate Fly-tying". TL MC
Thanks Clyde and Mike for help beyond the call of duty. I’ll look for the book by Tapply. The web site is great! sincerely, Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along the way? I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman
Very good idea to go to halifax. I have been there last year one month before the crash at Peggy’s cove. We rented a small car and went down to Mahone bay, Lunenberg and small fishing port including Peggy’s cove. With your Cherokee you can fly to Ottawa for a fuel stop and see the Canadian aviation museum. From there fly direct to Quebec city. There at Aero Boutik they have all the maps you will need. If you want to make a stop there there is many very good restaurants in the old Quebec. The fuel is at .90$ a liter in canadian $. It means about .60$US and if you change the liter to US gals it makes about $2.50 a gall + or -. After a visit to Quebec city (you can spend as long as 2 weeks there and you will still have a lot of things to see.) You can fly direct to Halifax, it is a 3 hours ride when flying over Maine. You will not have to report for customs there because you take off in Canada and land in Canada. I made it several times. Another thing that you can do is flying from Halifax to the Magdalen Island. It is another very nice spot. But be careful because it is generally loaded with visitors. A couple of days there would be OK. You need to make a reservation for hotels. Hotel Bellevue is the right spot. I also have a Cherokee 140 and like to fly in New England. On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster. You can go to DiMillo’s restaurant in Portland. This is the spot for a good lobster club sandwich. If you have the time you can go down a little more and fly to Westerly R.I. and have a look to the beach there. After it will be the time to fly back home. Have a good trip Bernard C-FXAO and C-YAN
: problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick
Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions. We are planning to leave tomorrow and go through Buttonville where the nice people at the Prop Shop have promised to have all my charts waiting. Once again – thanks to all. roman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick
– is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada)
Nope, marginally more expensive, and not even that, sometimes. Avgas in southern Canada seems to usually work out to between $2.25 and $2.50 per gallon; call ahead and avoid any suprises, like *no* fuel. No reason not to go as north as you can if you don’t get that way too often.
maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the
Oops, I believe that’s Moncton VNC not Halifax (charts are in the plane!)
: Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a : week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee : from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). : The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to : stay with family. From there, our course is open : to suggestions. I’ve never gone there by air, but the beaches on the north shore of PEI are very nice. If you are interested in aviation fun while at Oshawa, you can get a ride in a Harvard (T-6), optionally including aerobatics. (Or Tiger Moth or Waco… their number is 905-720-2831.) Have a nice trip, rick
I planned a trip to Halifax (Sydney actually) from Toronto earlier this year but never made it because of the weather. In my Cherokee 140 w/ 50 gal tanks, I picked St. Georges or Sherbrooke as intermediate stopping points. I think you can fly almost direct from Oshawa and stay in Canadian airspace. There is an MOA near the Maine/Quebec border that you should get NOTAMs on. CANPASS is very friendly, easy to use and convenient. You should have no problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the Canada Flight Supplement). As you near Toronto Class C airspace from Chicago, the controllers will appreciate it if you stay about a mile south of the shoreline as Pearson uses Rwy 26 most of the time. Give Toronto City Centre a call as you approach their Class D and they will probably let you do a circuit around the CN tower if you’re interested on your way to Oshawa. Niagra is also a pleasant detour (check the air regs first if you intend to go). Let me know how your first leg goes. I’m planning on flying down to Chicago in October. /Sung FYI — I think Fredericton NB is the only airport around there that charges landing/terminal fees and should be avoided if you want to minimize costs.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along the way? I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman
On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster.
bar harbor: cottage street bakery and deli. the best bakery i’ve yet found. MAN are those pies ever good! whale watching out of bar harbor is pretty good too, though if you’re prone to seasickness you’d better not do it right after CSB&D… for us, canadian customs at halifax were a snap. in fact, all the canadian customs were friendly, businesslike, and quick. the US guys gave us more trouble, but nothing like the horror stories you hear. — rw "By filing this ‘Bug Report’ you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die!" – from "Things Likely To Be Overheard If You Had A Klingon Programmer"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated.
Late Sunday morning, he’s puttin’ on Teva sandals. That means one of two things, either he’s going to wash the car or maybe, just maybe. Best to follow him around and see what he’s up to. Poking around in the study, this is a good sign. What’s this ? He’s grabbed a fly rod, WE’RE GOIN’ FISHIN’ !
Back to the "taking dogs fishing" thread, are we? Nice report, Ken. Mark Faulkner
Late Sunday morning, he’s puttin’ on Teva sandals. That means one of two things, either he’s going to wash the car or maybe, just maybe. Best to follow him around and see what he’s up to. Poking around in the study, this is a good sign. What’s this ? He’s grabbed a fly rod, WE’RE GOIN’ FISHIN’ ! Kipper’s my good fishin’ buddy, he’s a shelter mutt and when we adopted him he was 16 lbs of gangly puppy and the Humane Society told us he was a pointer mix. He looks more like a long legged fox hound to me, but now at not quite 3 years of age and a healthy 60 lbs his pedigree is less important than proper canoe etiquette. We had plenty of opportunity to practice yesterday. Right after we put in a big blue heron took exception to our presence and flew off with a whoosh of the wings and a disdainful squonk. Paddling through the twisty passage between Donut Pond and Highway Pond we surprised a deer that went crashing through the brush and rounding a corner on the far edge of the pond we came upon a nonchalant racoon that by turns ignored us and taunted poor Kipper with a casual strut. He did OK, there was some squeaking, of course but no full throated barking and no running about in the canoe. Much better behavior in contrast to just a few weeks ago when mama goose, papa goose and the little goslings almost caused a capsize. Even after I sternly told him "ENOUGH" and quieted the barking he still felt it necessary to continue grumbling sotto voce at the geese. I caught a bunch of bluegill on a yellow foam ant and a feisty little 1.5lb bass to boot, nice fun on a 3wt. Put the bass back, cleaned up the bluegill and put them in the freezer for the big fish fry. — Ken Fortenberry
I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and their approximate costs? What should I be looking for in my "next step up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) Your advice is appreciated, K.M.H. Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba.
: I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the : Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. : I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical : pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those : of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and : their approximate costs? What should I be looking for in my "next step : up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) : Your advice is appreciated, : K.M.H. : Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba. Decide first how much you want to spend. At the $50 level (American), you could choose from the likes of Thompson, Griffin, and like vises. Go to the $100 level and you might want to consider a Renzetti Traveler vise, Or even a Griffin Rotary. Any "intermediate" level vise will have the quality to last a lifetime for the average tyer. Jon Porter
I have used all of the mentioned vises, the Thompson "A" is my hands down favorite. It is inexpensive, durable and functional. NO COPIES! I found the Griffin to be a bit awkward. I am currently using a Renzetti presentation, although a nice piece of machinery it rates below the "A" in terms of all around usefulness. All of the above are definatly IMHO. A.J.Thramer
I bought the Renzetti Traveller used, two years ago as a intermediate upgrade (sound like a computer junkie don’t I) and cannot find any excuse to upgrade further. The rotary feature is the key to "intermediate" tying. I am not a production tyer though. jg
J.J., See my post about an new improvement to the Traveler. Otherwise, I agree with you except that after I tied some flies on the Renzetti Master, I came to the conclusion that if God tied flies here on Earth, he would tie with the Master (naturally!).
Hi, Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod. Thanks, Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV
Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod.
Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers. It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers. It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.
I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by a company called Martin. Darryl Hayashida
Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers. It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.
I have on old automatic reel made by Perrine that my father gave to me. He used it when he was little but he didn’t fly fish a lot. It is in very good condition. -Russell
: Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including : Scientific Anglers. It may be hard to find one in good working order : nowadays. : I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by : a company called Martin. : Darryl Hayashida There are still a couple of models of automatic fly reels around. Manufacturers include Martin, Perrine and Pflueger. Pflueger’s model is actually a *new* one, introduced only in the last year or two. Cabela’s, about US$25. These reels are *not* the best; drag increases unbelievably fast if you get a fish big enough to take line, and capacity is limited (usually the fly line and about 25 yards of backing). Also, do not attempt to dismantle one of these yourself; if you’ve ever had the recoil starter on an outboard motor explode into a giant tangle of spring steel, you’ll get an idea of what can happen. On the other hand, if you’ve only got one functioning hand, these reels allow you to fish again. Pretty decent trade-off. 3798 Woodland Drive voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC data: (250) 368-9341
The biggest difference, IMHO, is that sea kayakers don’t need to worry as much about the current smashing their faces into rocks!!! Not always true. My front teeth bear witness to that sad fact. It’s been my experience that most often you’ll need a roll in a sea kayak nearer to shore where the waves are a lot different (less regular), and where rocks can lurk just under the surface to rearrange the faces of the less wary.
Well, that is why I said "as much". But you’re probably right that nearshore is where you’re most likely to capsize, right where rocks are most hazardous. Not only are the waves less regular, they’re also bigger and more likely to break in the shallow spots where the rocks lurk. — Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Phone: 714/851-8250 Irvine, CA 92714 Fax: 714/851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/
I saw a good video several years ago put out by Perception when I was taking the ACA instructor class. It shows a young lady sitting in her boat on the pool deck. She puts the top of her head on the pool deck while keeping the boat upright… It helps to have that kind of flexibility but it’s not required. I’m sure you could get it from them. I have to agree with the post by Chip Mefford. In the sessions I’ve taught the technique he describes works best for most people. There are basically 3 types of learners (get the ACA instructors man. for details on that) & you need to teach different people different ways. I was able to teach my 110 lb. daughter to roll an open canoe (72 lb. outfitted) in about two hours so it’s technique not muscle. Dave Stockdill
Grace Under Pressure – Learning the Kayak Roll is good c-c only The Kayaker’s Edge also has a section on both the c-c & the sweep roll.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the fly fishing world about 15 years ago there was a deluge of articles on the mechanics of fly casting. Most were written by excellent casters who really did know how to cast but who really didn’t have a clear visualization of what they were actually doing. Videotaping eventually provided the correct answers. Question: are good videotapes of the Eskimo roll available? Where? Bob — —– Bob Perkins, Director of Institutional Research and Planning Methodist College Fayetteville, NC 28311 Office: 910-630-7037
Yes, watch what they do and don’t pay to much attention to what they say they do. THE KAYAKERS EDGE BY KENT FORD is one of the best how to kayaking videos.It has a lot more than rolling. Buy it,rent it or borrow it,after you have seen it you’ll probably buy it,if you aren’t to short of cash. My 11 year old grand son taught himself to roll I guess from watching the video. I sure didn’t teach him. gene
Question: are good videotapes of the Eskimo roll available? Where?
In "The Kayaker’s Edge", amidst all of the other intro and skill stuff, is about a ten minute bit on rolling. It’s got some good camera work that follows the roll above and below the water’s surface. It should be helpful for a lot of people. Paul
Question: are good videotapes of the Eskimo roll available? Where? Bob
"Grace Under Pressure" is an excellent video discussing the C-to-C roll. It discusses the on-side, off-side and the hand roll. I highly recommend it. This was the video I was shown before I even got into a kayak for the first time. I eventually bought a copy for myself and find it very useful. Viewing that in combination with reading the Bomb Proof Roll has helped me a lot. I would check with your local REI, I know they have the book, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the video. Or, any shop that carries kayaking equipment should have the video or know where to find it. Also, most of the paddling companies who do mail order has it. I know for sure that the latest NRS catalog has it. You can even order a catalog from NRS’s home page at http://www.gorp.com/nrs.htm Happy rolling! Harriet
| Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now | with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips | that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks I sincerely apologize for the confusion and appreciate the kind advice sent my way. The original post appeared to be a sea kayaking fellow who was concentrating on the motion of his paddle — with no mention of hip snap. Is there anyone out there in a sea kayak who can help him? Again, sorry for the confusion!!!
What confusion? I’m a sea kayaker, and I’ve a good roll. I really do not believe the roll is any different (in principle) in a sea kayak or a whitewater kayak. The hip snap is just as much the key to the roll in a sea kayak. Your advice was right on. The boats do feel differently, and some sea kayaks can be very difficult to roll (certainly not all!), but the basic principles of rolling are exactly the same. The biggest difference, IMHO, is that sea kayakers don’t need to worry as much about the current smashing their faces into rocks!!! — Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Phone: 714/851-8250 Irvine, CA 92714 Fax: 714/851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/
I’ve read two full descriptions, with pictures, of Eskimo rolls. No wonder beginners get confused. It took me several readings of both and careful scrutiny of the photographs to realize that the descriptions were essentially the same. To wit: Leverage roll = C-to-C roll Screw roll = Sweep roll Beyond that, the descriptions spend more words on what to do with the paddle than on the mechanics of the hip roll which actually rights the boat. Underwater, a person’s head and upper body have much more "sail area" than the paddle. Positioning the paddle properly sets up the boater’s upper body in a brace for the hip roll. Once the boat flips upright, the paddle brace helps the boater roll upright. In the fly fishing world about 15 years ago there was a deluge of articles on the mechanics of fly casting. Most were written by excellent casters who really did know how to cast but who really didn’t have a clear visualization of what they were actually doing. Videotaping eventually provided the correct answers. Question: are good videotapes of the Eskimo roll available? Where? Bob — —– Bob Perkins, Director of Institutional Research and Planning Methodist College Fayetteville, NC 28311 Office: 910-630-7037
What confusion? I’m a sea kayaker, and I’ve a good roll. I really do not believe the roll is any different (in principle) in a sea kayak or a whitewater kayak. The hip snap is just as much the key to the roll … The biggest difference, IMHO, is that sea kayakers don’t need to worry as much about the current smashing their faces into rocks!!!
Not always true. My front teeth bear witness to that sad fact. It’s been my experience that most often you’ll need a roll in a sea kayak nearer to shore where the waves are a lot different (less regular), and where rocks can lurk just under the surface to rearrange the faces of the less wary.
re: Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks
Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks
Hips, hips, hips, and keep the head underwater for as long as humanly possible. :-) — Macalester College St. Paul, Minnesota http://sonic.bigelow.macalstr.edu
Wow! I bet this turns into a monster thread….it might even exceed "Peeing in your boat"… I taught myself to roll with no outside instruction and, since I’m too dense to make sense out of pictoral instructions, virtually no book instruction. To start off the hundred-or-so tips you’ll undoubtdedly receive here, I would say go out and purchase a diving mask and wear it when you practice rolling. I got nowhere except a bad sinus infiction before I started using a noseclip. Using the noseclip I began to make progress; but once I started wearing the diving mask things really picked up – with tha mask on it is much easier to just sort of hang there upside-down and think things out before trhing to roll up. There are three or four other things I’m tempted to say, but I’ll leave them to those that know better than I do.
A full face mask really helps while you are learning. Also the vido Kayakers Edge is white water but very good. Watch how others do it and don,t listen to closely to how they say they do it.
re: Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks
I taught myself a simple cross roll first. Noseclip, mask, a watcher to give you feed back. I wraped the end of the paddle in an old sleeping pad and stuck it in the rungs of my ladder leading into the lake. Once I could do that OK, I moved to float on the end of the paddle. Finally I could do a simple roll with just the paddle. Then I learned a real extended paddle roll. Never could get a screw roll down with the heavier sea kayak – might have to do with narrow paddle and lots of surface area and deck rigging. Have fun Steve
| re: | | Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now | with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips | that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks George: I think the best thing would be to take lessons. But, let me say a coupla things about rolls in general, at least for *me*. If you get up part way and seem to sink back at the last moment, you are trying to raise your head too fast. I have found that keeping my eyes on the paddle as it sweeps back forces me to keep my head down. I also use the extended paddle roll, which IMHO is the best for a sea kayak roll beginner. Don’t forget the hip snap, try to have another person watch as you try your rolls, they might see you doing things that you aren’t aware of. Also, wearing a PFD during your attempts, even in a pool, helps to get started. Finaly, I have to practice each spring or I find that I get "rusty". Good luck. — ) J sales rep-sgi http://www.dayton.sgi.com dayton, oh 513-258-7441 fax 7449
Take a pool rolling class. Four or five sessions should do it. I also recommend the dive mask starting out. The AMC and Casco Bay here in the Boston area offer these with a boat for under $100. Good chance to try out other boats and meet some people to paddle with. — Regards, Sean
Some things to help with learning to roll, roll, roll yer boat: 1) Relax and have fun with this. It’s NOT a muscle thing so just relax. 2) Start by rolling the boat over with your hips on the edge of a pool or dock or something to hold onto. 3) Graduate to using a couple of kickboards after you can do the hip roll easily on both sides from the solid hold. 4) Reach out to the side as far as possible using the boards before rolling up. 5) Keep your head down as you "slinky" up rolling your hips first and FOLLOWING with your head. If your head comes out first before the boat is over you’ll never make it. 6) Once you can do this easily on one or both sides, take one of the kickboards away. One kickboard is about the lift that your paddle will give, so try this until you can do it easily. 7) NOW you can use your paddle, but it helps to have someone hold the end at first. With the paddle parallel to the boat as you go over with your good hand forward (usually your writing hand, but eventually either) sweep the paddle across the TOP of the water until the paddle is perpendicular to the boat. This forces your non-writing hand elbow to slide UNDER the boat bottom and out of the water (when the boat is upside down. Then do the hip-slinky thing to roll the boat over and follow with your head. It helps to have someone watch and hold the paddle a couple of times to get the feel and to have them watch that the blade angle is flat on the surface of the water before you hip snap. 
Don’t give up, it’s damn hard to do at first, but once you "get it" you will wonder why it seemed so hard. 9) Relax! It doesn’t take a lot of muscle, it’s a technique thing. 10) Once you get it, play around with different ways of using your paddle to get up and intentionally make yourself roll over in all sorts of funny positions to learn to get into position from almost any angle etc… This is called the C to C roll, the eskimo is real similar but sweeps the blade rather than placing it perpendicular before you roll (kinda like doing the set-up for a C to C at the same time you roll your hips. Most people need to learn the hip snap before putting it all together. The eskimo roll from the stern of the boat rather than the bow is called a styr roll and is accomplished be sitting up from leaning back rather than from sweeping back from leaning forward. One of the greatest joys is your first roll in whitewater! : ) Happy rolling! Robb
| Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now | with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips | that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks I noticed in another part of your post that you seem to be concentrating on your paddle. I’m not a sea kayaker, but I have been in a sea kayak and rolled w/no trouble (without even a spray skirt). Those of us rolling on whitewater rely most heavily on the "hip snap" element of the roll rather than the paddle (there’s even a "hands roll" which involves no paddle at all). Check out the book "The Bombproof Roll and Beyond" if you are still of a mind to teach yourself. It’s an excellent book – one I’ve used as a reference for trouble shooting while teaching roll clinics. Good luck!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now | with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips | that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks I noticed in another part of your post that you seem to be concentrating on your paddle. I’m not a sea kayaker, but I have been in a sea kayak and rolled w/no trouble (without even a spray skirt). Those of us rolling on whitewater rely most heavily on the "hip snap" element of the roll rather than the paddle (there’s even a "hands roll" which involves no paddle at all). Check out the book "The Bombproof Roll and Beyond" if you are still of a mind to teach yourself. It’s an excellent book – one I’ve used as a reference for trouble shooting while teaching roll clinics. Good luck!
| Help– I have been trying to master the Eskimo Roll for over a year now | with my sea kayak and am having problems. Can anyone give me some tips | that migfht help me accomplish the challenge at hand. Thanks
i learned my good side roll with the standard c to c hip snap, with a wide blade paddle. i never learned my bad side roll untill i started doing extended braces to the point where i could get my head in the water and skull in place .when you can do this with your head under the water you have mastered the hard part which is getting your head out without going back down. think it through in your head, it helps, and practice,practice,practice. just my 2 cents worth. my bad side roll was learned with my much prefered narrow blade paddle
I noticed in another part of your post that you seem to be concentrating on your paddle. I’m not a sea kayaker, but I have been in a sea kayak and rolled w/no trouble (without even a spray skirt). Those of us rolling on whitewater rely most heavily on the "hip snap" element of the roll rather than the paddle (there’s even a "hands roll" which involves no paddle at all). Check out the book "The Bombproof Roll and Beyond" if you are still of a mind to teach yourself. It’s an excellent book – one I’ve used as a reference for trouble shooting while teaching roll clinics. Good luck!
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I sincerely apologize for the confusion and appreciate the kind advice sent my way. The original post appeared to be a sea kayaking fellow who was concentrating on the motion of his paddle — with no mention of hip snap. Is there anyone out there in a sea kayak who can help him? Again, sorry for the confusion!!! Happy paddling! Cheers 
Elizabeth
I agree with all that has been said and especially encourage you to try the mask or goggles. I am still working on a consistent roll. My biggest problem is that I tend to lift my head too soon. I didn’t even believe i was doing it at first so I put on the goggles and opened my eyes and sure enough I was looking at the ceiling intstead of at my paddle or the pool bottom. As long as I look at the bottom I tend to come up without fail. Good luck Lisa
well, sheesh, I really kinda hate to say this; I readily concurr with all these folks that all these aids may very well be the cats meow for some folk, but my experience has been rather different. It took me a solid two years before I had a "bomber" roll. These days I can usually teach a 2 person class to roll in one pool session, 2 sessions at the outside. I bought into the whole reading, goggles, nose plugs, video whatever. , , , , the thing is, where visualation may be of some assistance for some things, rolling is SO counterintuitive that for most people, making an attempt at visualizing what is going on only handicaps their progression. I was honored once opon a time to teach alongside Eric Jackson of Adventure Schools. EJ can (I’ve seen him do it) teach a group of half a dozen people who have never held a paddle to roll in about an hour without getting out of his boat most of the time. I can say with some certainty, that rolling is a BODY move, where sitting around underwater, upside down, looking around with your goggles on, is ridiculously disorienting. Visualizing is an INTELLECTUAL exercise. If your try to teach your intellect to teach your body to do something that is very counter to instinct, you are fighting an uphill battle with a slim chance at success. Facts are, your body wants air, in order to get air, it wants to get its air ports, (yer head) out of the water, as long as you are trying to get your head out first, you will fail. I cannot teach as Eric does, I teach in the water, I only demonstrate that the roll is in fact quite easy, does not require a paddle, and can be done on or off sides. I after demonstrating these things so as to make them appear as easy as they in fact are, I beach my boat, get in the water with my students, sans paddles, take them by the hands, get good eye contact and show them how to use their bodies to make the move. Then I give them their paddle back, posistion it for them as they go through the motions a few times, each time gently correcting any attempts to use strength over grace, each time easing my grip on the paddle untill I only have a few fingers on the blade. I then usually let the blade go after positioning it a few times, soon I am not doing anything other than being close by as they execute their first few rolls. More often than not, my students are not aware that they have rolled on their own untill I tell them. I guess my point is, rather than spend a lot of time concerning oneself with the "Okay, I’m upside down now, so if I put this hand here, cant the shaft this way, put that hand there, turn my head this way, and then, , , uh, I need to , , , uh, , , wait, lemme see, I need to twich this way and push that way and move the paddle this other way, , , wait, uh, , I need to, , , , crap, I need to breath!!! , , arrgghhh!!!" Hook up with an instructor and have them teach you. Post Script; It is a little strange in some sense, less so in others, that by and large both, in my experience, women very often learn the roll much faster than their S.O.’s in class. There are a lot of things at play here, however, i.m.e. the women seldom attempt to strong arm the roll, and the men nealy always do. In fact the more athletic the man, the more difficult it is to get them to let themselves roll. As another digression, I’ve had folk with a background in oriental martial arts specificly Akido, roll on their first try after having the roll slowly demonstrated. Once I had a gal tell me that she though the paddle was messing her up, then executed a hands roll after about 2 tries. That perplexes me to this day. It was a real pill gettting her to roll with a paddle.
, , , , the thing is, where visualation may be of some assistance for some things, rolling is SO counterintuitive that for most people, making an attempt at visualizing what is going on only handicaps their progression. … I can say with some certainty, that rolling is a BODY move, where sitting around underwater, upside down, looking around with your goggles on, is ridiculously disorienting. Visualizing is an INTELLECTUAL exercise. If your try to teach your intellect to teach your body to do something that is very counter to instinct, you are fighting an uphill battle with a slim chance at success. Facts are,
Well, I, for one, would like to state that this depends very much on who you are and how you learn, and different people learn in different manners. In particular, I *absolutely* need to visualize a manuever before I can do it – and once I’ve visualized it completely, I really *can* do it. It’s very frustrating for me when people of the opposite type (going for the "feel" of it *without* the visualization) try to teach me any physical skill. I just can’t do it. On the other hand, contrary to most people’s experience, I very easily picked up my "off" side roll, once I had a good "on" side roll. It was, for me, literally no more than reversing what I did on the "on" side. No "learning" of body movements was required; all I had to do was visualize the reversed movements. What I’m trying to say is that we’re all different, and it’s hard to generalize that this way or that way is the best way to learn for everyone. Some of us require visualization, and some of us require the body training. I guess my point is, rather than spend a lot of time concerning oneself with the "Okay, I’m upside down now, so if I put this hand here, cant the shaft this way, put that hand there, turn my head this way, and then, , , uh, I need to , , , uh, , , wait, lemme see, I need to twich this way and push that way and move the paddle this other way, , , wait, uh, , I need to, , , , crap, I need to breath!!! , , arrgghhh!!!" Hook up with an instructor and have them teach you.
I agree that an instructor helps, on the other hand. I need to watch an instructor to *see* exactly what he was doing. But then I needed to think it through and visualize the whole process. — Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Phone: 714/851-8250 Irvine, CA 92714 Fax: 714/851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/
Once I had a gal tell me that she though the paddle was messing her up, then executed a hands roll after about 2 tries. That perplexes me to this day. It was a real pill gettting her to roll with a paddle.
I believe thqt there is really something to this idea that: "this clumsy paddle messes me up when I try to roll" My son could do hand rolls, both sides, the second day trying to roll, however he is still having trouble using a paddle to roll. I think that when you have a paddle in your hands, you use it and forget about the body. If you don’t have a paddle, you KNOW you have to use your body. Makes sense to me. Jon Hauris
I just moved to boulder, to start school, and do not know any places to fish. I have been fly fishing for 3 years, on the east coast, and would like to start out here. I would be greatful if anyone could e-mail with info on good spots and what to fish with. The closer to campus the better. While I do not have a car, I could probably find a ride, if the stream was good enough. Ryan Crow
The Thompson has plenty of great holes. Also if you have the means, drive up to Tucker Ranch (all the way up Baseline), and hike down the path on your right. There is a great little stream I’ve pulled many from. Jonathan Claxton
I’m going to spend a week on the Chesapeake Bay, near Annapolis, in mid August and am wondering what recommendations you might have. I’ll be doing some fishing from shore but will spend a fair amount of time on a 40′ trawler that is better equipped to b the love boat than for any serious stalking and catching. Currently, I have a 5 wt. fly setup (which I plan to take), but will likely to get a 9 wt. saltwater rig for streamers and poppers before I go. I suspect I can’t troll with a 9 wt., except at the very slowest speeds, but what can I expect to catch with those two rods – if anything – or am I just wasting time and money? And which flies will improve my chances? In advance, thanks.
I’m going to spend a week on the Chesapeake Bay, near Annapolis, in mid August and am wondering what recommendations you might have. I’ll be doing some fishing from shore but will spend a fair amount of time on a 40′ trawler that is better equipped to be the love boat than for any serious stalking and catching. Currently, I have a 5 wt. fly setup (which I plan to take), but will likely to get a 9 wt. saltwater rig for streamers and poppers before I go. I suspect I can’t troll with a 9 wt., except at the very slowest speeds, but what can I expect to catch with those two rods – if anything – or am I just wasting time and money? And which flies will improve my chances? In advance, thanks.
Re: Raines’s Midlife Crisis book..I read it just after publication. was not all that impressed with most of it. However, got a copy of a tape where he reads his own stuff and enjoyed that!! Maybe it was his deep southern drawl that sold me or just hearing his stories spoken rather than on cold paper. Heck, even Jimmy Carter refered to "threading the fly line though the ferrels" of the rod. I fish wyoming and montana during my vacations and realized that the Gallatin is in Wyoming, so he was right to small degree. Hell, every one becomes a preacher once he has "found the light" of catch and release!!
Well, OK, so this guy Howell Raines isn’t a genius in geography. (I have fished the Gallatin inside the Park and in Wyoming, and it ain’t bad.) It’s always easier to visualize when someone writes about rivers or areas you’ve fished, so his many stories about the rivers of Virginia or Pennsylvania did require some persistence for a Westerner to get through. However, I benefitted greatly from the book, as even though I started flyfishing back when I was 13, I’ve also had the "20 crappie on a stringer" mindset that Raines abandons. I would think there would be countless other flyfisherman who have gone through a similar metamorphosis, and the world’s a better place for it. His descriptions of guide Dick Blaylock, who was bigger than life itself, were so vivid I felt I knew him. The way I look at it, reading this book at 40, and keeping up my flyfishing, I’ll avoid a midlife crisis…Bill Uyeki
I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three questions that I would like answered: Raines says that the three most famous rivers of *Wyoming* are the Madison, the Gallatin, and the Yellowstone. He also says that the Snake "becomes even better when it crosses into Idaho and becomes the Henry’sFork." My questions are: (1) Does anyone think of the Madison, Yellowstone and Gallatin as great rivers of WYOMING? Not to my knowledge. Montana maybe, but not Wyoming (even though the Madison and Yellostone form in the park which is, of course, federal land within the boundaries of Wyoming). Can anyone even find the Gallatin in Wyoming? Its a nice river, but is not located in Wyoming! (2) Has anyone ever heard of the Wyoming Snake "becoming" the Henry’s Fork? Give me a break! (3) Has Hal Raines ever been west of the beltway? (I think I know the answer to this one.) When I wrote and asked Raines about the first two questions (I didn’t think he’d like the third one), he sent me a snippy letter suggesting I consult some book that he (may have) read. I could not find it in any library. Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX Dallas, TX Ennis, MT
Raines says that the three most famous rivers of *Wyoming* are the Madison, the Gallatin, and the Yellowstone. (1) Does anyone think of the Madison, Yellowstone and Gallatin as great rivers of WYOMING? Not to my knowledge. Montana maybe, but not Wyoming (even though the Madison and Yellostone form in the park which is, of course, federal land within the boundaries of Wyoming). Can anyone even find the Gallatin in Wyoming? Its a nice river, but is not located in Wyoming! (2) Has anyone ever heard of the Wyoming Snake "becoming" the Henry’s Fork? Give me a break! Well, technically speaking, he’s partially correct. The headwaters of the Gallatin are found in the Gallatin
Range in the NW corner of Yellowstone Park, which technically is in the state of Wyoming. Also, the South Fork of the Snake leaves Wyoming and joins the Henrys Fork in Idaho. But, for the most part, you are correct. I have read his book too, and I gather that Mr. Raines doesn’t have a clue as to life in the West. Gary W. Godden "They call it Paradise……I don’t know why. Denver, Colorado - The Eagles
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX I agree with you, Lyman. Raines spends the whole book claiming he is not elitist at the beginning of each chapter, then goes on to prove himself wrong again and again. I came away from his book with the idea that Raines considers anyone who does not embrace his politics (in-your-face liberalism) or does not have a college degree is a raving barbarian, useful only as an amusing diversion to the intelligensia (ie him and his colleagues). All the psychobabble about the men’s movement and his so-called "Redneck Way" put me off as well. Someone out there posted that he/she enjoyed this book more than Nick Lyons’ writing; how on earth can this be?! Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler
I wasn’t the poster mentioned, but I enjoyed the book for the reasons you didn’t… Besides, in your heart you know Raines is right. Hap — <<<<< OMNIA EXTARES
I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX
I agree with you, Lyman. Raines spends the whole book claiming he is not elitist at the beginning of each chapter, then goes on to prove himself wrong again and again. I came away from his book with the idea that Raines considers anyone who does not embrace his politics (in-your-face liberalism) or does not have a college degree is a raving barbarian, useful only as an amusing diversion to the intelligensia (ie him and his colleagues). All the psychobabble about the men’s movement and his so-called "Redneck Way" put me off as well. Someone out there posted that he/she enjoyed this book more than Nick Lyons’ writing; how on earth can this be?! Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler
Is it perhaps that fly fishing is elitist and Westerners more so than most. If you’ve ever seen Steinberg’s New Yorker’s view of America, you can understand Raines’ pitiful ignorance of Western geography. Give the guy a break! His book extols what’s good about flyfishing and conservation, and explains the maturation from killer to sportsman. Where certain rivers are in Wyo/Mont are immaterial to this story. Maybe he’s doing you a favor. Just think of all the other Eastern elitists getting lost trying to find them. Lighten up– Crashjibe
Re: Raines’s Midlife Crisis book..I read it just after publication. was not all that impressed with most of it. However, got a copy of a tape
I just finished this book and enjoyed it throughly. It’s well written, good Southern story telling. It is not so much about fishing as it is about growing up. Some sensitive, thoughtful, 90s sort of guy stuff. Some good stories about President’s and fishing. George Bush was kind of pathetic. John Dobbs
WOW!! I have read your repy to Flyfishing Through MIid – Fife Crisis!! The Fish will not know they have reached Mid- Life before you put them FISHING FLY FISHING IS FOR LIFE111111111 OR LIFE IS FOR FLYFISHING111 BBlewett