Phooey. Give me a stick, a length of kite string, a hook, some worms … Well Shit! Just give me a rock and I’ll kill a deer, make a hook …
So you agree with Mike’s point and find daytripper’s detailed and impassioned counterargument to be in error, as I do, or is that whooshing noise the sound of the whole damn thing flying over your head ? — Ken Fortenberry- buy yourself some emoticons, Willi 
or, I don’t need no stinkin’ rock, I can grab more trout with my bare
…six months ago, in a semi-sober conversation, i made a $100 bet with pj – he claimed he would catch more trout on upper snowbird in august by grappling than i would with rod and reel. i bet him just because it sounded like an opportunity to get a good chuckle… but i expect to lose a $100 in the process… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [major snippage] Regarding rods, you can catch just as many fish with a hazel branch cut from the hedge, which costs nothing, … No, you can’t. Phooey. Give me a stick, a length of kite string, a hook, some worms and a twig bobber and I’ll catch MORE trout (or bluegill) than any Winston toting, effete, full-of-himself, Orvis-clad flyfisherman who ever fished a stream or pond. Guaranteed. It is more a matter of personal taste, than of suitability. No, it’s not. Personal taste is ALL it is. The rest is just posturing for dramatic effect. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that .
Hah hah! I’d love to see you and Mike bring your sticks, kite string, etc, out for some bluewater fishing – at least for the 5 seconds it’d take for you to realize that Yet Another Broad Statement has gone down in a flaming Reality Check… /daytripper (hope *that* helps, flatlander.
[major snippage] Regarding rods, you can catch just as many fish with a hazel branch cut from the hedge, which costs nothing, as with the latest top-notch super-duper "high-modulus" carbon fibre or split-cane fishing rod, for a bag full of money. No, you can’t.
I have to agree here. Just try for pike, mackeral, bonefish, stripers, salmon, and this falls apart. Put in a constraint that we’re working small streams for trout or panfish, and then it’s a different story. It is more a matter of personal taste, than of suitability. No, it’s not. Cheers /daytripper (Hope this helps
Cheered Chas (it did) Fix underscore in address to reply
It was not designed to insult, upset, or ridicule anybody at all. If it has, then I was just lucky.
<g — Charlie…
While I agree with much you say, I also believe it’s overly simplistic. <It is not really about catching fish – Yes, at some time this does become true. However, if you take a neophyte fishing, that person should catch something other then a cold. That is, if you want to see someone develop into the fisherman you’d like to see.
I believe it is always true. One has the desire to catch fish, often in some special way ( dry-fly. nymph, upstream wet, etc etc), but this is inextricably mixed in with many other desires, such as the desire for fresh air, being out in tne countryside, relaxation, general enjoyment, etc etc etc. People should develop into the the type of fihermen they want to be, independent of what others think or say. What I or anybody else "would like to see", assuming this was the case, is completely irrelevant. <The main challenge, is to become proficient at something which is intrinsically difficult and demanding. – Okay, how does someone become proficient without actually catching some fish?
One can be extremely proficient, and still catch no fish. One becomes proficient by learning and practicng. How does one know what is successful if they’ve not been successful?
Good point, the answer is basically the same. You can only really "know" something if you experience it. You can only know how Bill Gates feels, if you are Bill Gates. Read and listen to the experts. Cast on the lawn. Do all the things that the lesson plans call for.
I do not agree with this. Go fishing. You will not become proficient until you put everything together and succeed on a consistent basis.
I do not agree with this either. One may enjoy oneself fishing, even if one is a hopeless duffer. Proficiency is not a pre-requisite for enjoyment. It may be for many, but this does not make it a universal constant. Then, and only then, will you be proficient and realize that it’s not really about catching fish.
I think even most beginners are perfectly well aware that it is not about catching fish. As far as rods, sure for worm dunking most anything will do. But that’s where that level of simplicity stops.
I disagree again. A rod is a rod, irrespective of how "primitive" it may be. Nothing else changes. In order to practice some modern techniques, ( long distance casting etc ), then modern rods are indeed required. It is however not necessary to use such techniques when fishing for trout on most streams and rivers, and a "primitive" implement is just as good as the most expensive rod made for this purpose. It has nothing to do with "simplicity" as such. mayfly
TL MC
It is not really about catching fish. This is of course said time and time again, and occasionally even analysed, but still it is a problem for many. If you just want fish, then go to a professional fisherman, supermarket, fish-shop, whatever, and buy them. If you want to catch large numbers of fish, become a professional fisherman. How many you catch, is less important, at least to a sensible flyfisherman, ( or indeed any other predominantly "pleasure" angler), than how, where, under what circumstances, and with what. If this were not so, then it would be absolutely pointless to go fly-fishing. Fly-fishing is ( in most cases) illogical per se. There are ( at least nowadays, this was not always so), far more efficient, less labour intensive, and far less costly ways of obtaining fish. People do it because they enjoy it, for one reason or another, not because it is efficient. Of course a good flyfisherman will normally consistently catch more fish than a beginner. This is perfectly normal, he is simply better at it! There are no arcane reasons. There are no "magical" flies, rods, or anything else. It is simply a matter of knowledge and application. Somebody who learns as much as he possibly can, and applies this over a period of time, will be better than somebody who just goes out for a Saturday afternoon now and then, after perusing his monthly fishing magazine. Necessary? None of it is necessary. The main challenge, is to become proficient at something which is intrinsically difficult and demanding. This allows many people to forget their woes and worries. They sink themselves in their fishing to the exclusion of all else. Whether this is "sensible" or not, has nothing to do with it. If you do not want something difficult and demanding, then use worms and a bobber. Or stay at home watch TV, and drink beer to reach blissful oblivion. Neither I, nor anybody else can remove the "frustration" of not being able to do some things. Either learn to do them, or give up, and do something else. Constantly moaning that you can not catch anything, is your own problem, and nobody else
Nifty little 5 oz flask packadged with bottles of Cutty Sark for holiday giving. Keep the flask, slap a bow on the Cutty Sark and give it to your brother-in-law. Or keep the Cutty Sark and use it to cut Carolan’s Irish Creme 50/50 (that stuffs too sweet and sticky to drink by itself, but no use adding the good stuff to it). Or use the Cutty Sark to clean your pipe collection. Flask is stainless steel with a charcoal finish, hinged cap keeper, lovingly hand-crafted in far-off and exotic China. The healthful benefits of having a wee nip to keep away the dew while flyfishing cannot be overstressed, and of course, it is unethical to bring a fine fish to hand without toasting his merry health afterwards. And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. Anyway, nice little flask, it would look really fine with some MacCallan or Famous Grouse in it. Timothy Juvenal
And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms.
good post. many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…
And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. good post. many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…
Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many. :) Wolfgang no pictures please!
"Wolfgang" wrote … Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many. :)
Ahh, it seems beer has indeed impaired your thinking: 1. No such thing as too much Scotch. 2. Tequilla drinkers are the ones you have to watch out for around the worms. And of course, watch out for those Saki drinkers around cut bait. 8^)
Timothy Juvenal
NY/Montauk Surf Experts To Hold Clinic In February The Eastern Nassau Chapter of Coastal Conservation Association of New York plans to hold a surf fishing seminar at Marjorie Post Park in Massapequa on Saturday, February 13th from 9 am to 4 pm. This full-day event is expected to host one of the most impressive gatherings of surf fishing expertise, including noted authors/columnists, guides and frequent winners in area surf tournaments. Some of the anglers expected to participate include: William "Doc" Muller, author of "Surfcasting with the Experts," Fred Schwab, noted conservationist, author, and past winner of the New York Surf Contest, Tom Melton, Editor of Fishermen Magazine and surf guide, Bob Jones, 1997 Winner of the Montauk Locals Surf Contest and past finalist in the Montauk Surf Classic, Frank Dalecki, Editor and Fly Fishing Columnist of Nor’east Saltwater, Billy "The Greek" Legakis, regarded as one of the best "big fish" surfcasters on the beach today (bass of 49 and 59 pounds this past season alone), Willie Young, President of Montauk Surfcasters Association, and John Skinner, editor of the Nor’east Saltwater surf column and 1998 NYFTTA Monthly Contest Finalist. The day begins with "getting started" classes for both surfcasting and flyrodding, but quickly changes gears with advanced classes such as plugging and bucktailing. The "main event" will involve three roundtable discussions: North Shore, South Shore and Monatuk/East End. With each roundtable discussion, a group of expert panelists will walk the audience through a hypothetical season, discussing location-specific strategies for spring, summer and fall. Admission is $12 for a CCA member, and $25 for non-member. Lunch is included. Non-CCA members also get a complimentary 1yr. membership to CCA-NY, which includes a subscription to Tide magazine, newsletters, bumper sticker and decal. Space is limited, and events like this one have been known to fill up fast. Advanced registration is highly recommended. For more information, and to reserve a seat, please call John McMurray at (516) 422-4162 or email John at Note, this is a non-profit event. All proceeds go to fisheries conservation efforts through CCA-NY.
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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter
Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter
The only problem I had was with a barbed wire fence that was half buried. I just wanted to get them repaired, but Orvis replaced them. Otherwise, I have had about 2 years in two pairs, and have had no problems. The only thing I have to figure out is how to get the mud off of them. jim — Jim Jacoby Mt. Horeb, WI To send a reply, remove "-take_this_out-" from the address.
Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter
No. But you said the magic word * Orvis *. If you have *any* problem with them, even not liking them, Orvis will replace them. I wore a pair of 3mm neoprenes for over a month of fishing in Maine and Labrador. I should have bought the breathables and told my Orvis dealer about it. He said to bring the neoprenes back and I could trade ‘em for breathables. Neat!!!! I’ve had no problems with them, but if I do, well Orvis is only about twenty minutes away. :0) Dave LaCourse
I just purchased a pair of the breathable waders this past Christmas and have hd no problems with them yet. I am hoping they will hold up pretty good Matt Rheams
Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables?
the shop who sells it has problems: these waders are so affordable he’s not selling any of the expensive ones! =^) i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.
writes: *SNIP* Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.
For 1998 you can also get them in green. Good Fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish
Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.
Except now they come in much better green color. I just bought mine a few weeks ago, and I may never wear my neoprenes again! I’m sure I will in the winter, but I fished a week ago in about 40 degree weather in cold, tailwater water (not sure about exact water temp), and all I wore under mine was one layer of Patagonia Expedition Weight Capilene underwear. I stayed bone dry (even after hiking 1.5 mi., mostly on gravel — ugh), and I stayed surprisingly warm. I waited until they had been out for a year or so to get some, and I wish I had bought some of the first ones (though I really do prefer the new green color — much more natural-looking). SWJ
Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color. For 1998 you can also get them in green.
oh no…. why not just plain tan?…
Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter
Thanks for all your comments. I’ve been very cautious about breathables as the local store has had a bad time with another brand. I’ve just contacted a local Orvis store about getting a set. The green ones, SWJ. Thanks for the heads up on the colour. Peter
Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek? We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc. Any tips? Thanks!
I haven’t fished Kelly since 1972, but back then, in Aug. and Sept. you couldn’t go wrong with any kind of hopper pattern. It’s possible that the fish are more sophisticated now, however. Jim
Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek? We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc. Any tips? Thanks!
Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek? We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc. Any tips? Thanks!
Hi Kelly creek is great that time of year. The normal flies work well like Wulffs, renegades, para-Adams, EHC, bead heads, compara-duns, H&L, etc. I particularly like an H&L with a renegade on a dropper. Don’t forget hopper for that time of year. Good luck and let us know how things turn out. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom
Congratulations on the first trout on a fly! Got mine last summer. Went t some state parks in southeast Minnesota in mid august. Caught my first on a #12 Wolly Bugger a 12"Rainbow. caught the rest – a total of 14 browns from 8-13 inches mostly on my own design— a kind of peacock and guinea soft hackle that looks like a small minnow when wet. Don’t know what to call it. Biggest thrill was casting about 40 ft across the river at Forrestville, having a 12" brown jump out of the water with the fly in its mouth, run half way across the river to me and do a double flip 10 feet in front of me! Talk about getting hooked on fly fishing! WOW! I will be going back this year to MN or Wisconsen to repeat the fun! Good luck, Ken — Remove NO-SPAM- from return address to e-mail me. Sorry, but this is to discourage spammers and auto junk mail generators. Ken Wells "When In Doubt….Go fishing."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom Tom, Nice going with the first trout…I am also relatively new (<2 yrs) and enjoy hearing about people and fly fishing. Of course the next step done this road-to-ruin is fly tying….no rush, take your time, but getting your first trout on a fly you tird is also outstanding…. As you can probably tell, I’m consumed by this experience called fly fishing….if I only didn’t have to work…… — John Carney Fly Fisher & Parrot Head (NO-SPAM in address to avoid spamming)
And I’ll bet that, just for a minute or two, while you were landing thiat first trout, you considered throwing away ALL your baitcasting and spinning gear. Welcome to the Club!! Mac McCaskill
Trout hit my first two casts hard, and kept hitting every type of dry fly I used aggressively all day. I missed a ton of good strikes (sure could use some advice on setting the hook correctly),
Tom; You note that you missed these aggressive strikes. That happens because (often) an aggresively striking wild fish is hanging-out under/around some current somewhere near the bottom. He sees your fly (food) and shoots up, slamming the fly and zips right back down to the bottom as fast as a Rattle-snake strike. Well, unlike a natural fly, yours has a leader attached to it. I’m sure that you have noticed how much force water can exert on your line. This happens with the fly. The drag of the tippet can pull the fly from the fish’s mouth, or cause him to "spit it out" before you can set the hook. I have noticed this a lot recently while fishing emergers during the sulfur hatch. WHACK!… nothing. Jason Beary
Congratulations on the first trout on a fly! Got mine last summer. Went t some state parks in southeast Minnesota in mid august. Caught my first on a #12 Wolly Bugger a 12"Rainbow. caught the rest – a total of 14 browns from 8-13 inches mostly on my own design— a kind of peacock and guinea soft hackle that looks like a small minnow when wet. Don’t know what to call it.
A bug. John Fereira
[snipped] Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday.
[snipped] Well done Tom! Nice innitt? 
On a more serious note(!) You are now in danger of becoming the best Definition: The best angler in the world = whichever angler at that given instant in time is enjoying themselves the most. richard
Congratulations Tom, I too caught my first, a 14" Brown, on Wednesday in the Clear Fork river (Ohio). It was a store-bought fly, but that didn’t make it any less exciting. Like you, nobody around me has any clue what its like. Bob
Hi, Congratulations. I had the same problem, so I bought my fiance her own kit, now she joins me on all the trips, and the best is that she is not using my expensive rods. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Tom: <<Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. It is a "big deal". The outdoor learning process can sometimes be frustrating when there is no father, brother, aunt or uncle to answer your questions or share your experiences. So…, thanks for taking the time and sharing with us. Congratulations! Tight lines, Joe
Congratulations, Seems just like yesterday … so many years now. Next will be that monster brown on a fly you tied. Nothing beats the feeling of a first anything. I don’t know about others on ROFF but there is still nothing like splash of an eager trout or the slurp of the grandfather of all trout. That’s just a feeling that never gets old. Corey http://www.ncweb.com:80/users/crbock/
Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill.
Just wanted to drop my 2 cents in, too. I fished the Great Smoky Mountain National Park last weekend, doing some very deep, hike-in mountain stream fishing, and had the best day of dry fly fishing in my short (about 1 year) career fly fishing. Trout hit my first two casts hard, and kept hitting every type of dry fly I used aggressively all day. I missed a ton of good strikes (sure could use some advice on setting the hook correctly), but I did bring in an 11-inch wild mountain rainbow. My God, what a fish this was! Never seen that kind of coloring before. These fish are naturally reproducing, wild trout (even though their ancestors were imported to the area and stocked until the 1970s). Even so, this guy fought hard, jumped at least 12 times, and left me speechless at having takien my first wild trout in such a beautiful setting. For you Midwestern FFers, I have a story on FFing in the Smokies coming up in the summer issue of Midwest Fly Fishing magazine that provides local contact numbers and other information. E-mail me off-list if you want more information. Dave McCarty
Hey Tom:
<<Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. It is a "big deal". The outdoor learning process can sometimes be frustrating when there is no father, brother, aunt or uncle to answer your questions or share your experiences. So…, thanks for taking the time and sharing with us. Congratulations! Tight lines, Joe
Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom
Tom, Nice going with the first trout…I am also relatively new (<2 yrs) and enjoy hearing about people and fly fishing. Of course the next step done this road-to-ruin is fly tying….no rush, take your time, but getting your first trout on a fly you tird is also outstanding…. As you can probably tell, I’m consumed by this experience called fly fishing….if I only didn’t have to work…… — John Carney Fly Fisher & Parrot Head (NO-SPAM in address to avoid spamming)
Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom
Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom
didja et it…? — TimW Halfordian Golfer
Over the summer; I found numerous bottles of a floatant, named Gink, along the streams I fish. Do you think people are just losing these, and should purchase those cute little bottle holders… or is this stuff, so bad..people are just throwing it away? How bad can this stuff be, to cause normal people to turn into common criminals and LITTER!! What if beavers found this stuff and ate it, would it kill them? What if T-Bone found this stuff floating in his Homebrew, would it kill him? How come this stuff is clear? Shouldn’t in come in the Borger Color system colors? No, that would be 106 bottles..that would be stupid! Any info would be helpful… and No, Rick, I’m not a blonde…..just too much Homemade potato vodka before steelheading….. Hugs & Kisses, …..N….;)
: I apologize for my ignorance. What is Albolene? : : Al Beatty mentioned this stuff recently too, including the name : of a drug store cosmetic that he uses for a floatant. : : Breaker breaker Al, could you give us the name again? : : Thanks…Ross Well if Al doesn’t show up, and I’ll bet he will, I state that he put me on to Albolene (spelling off the jar) several months ago. I went right over to Long’s drugstore and bought some for under $5. It really works! Keep em dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca
: An odorless, sort-of waxy, facial cream used to float flies. Probably : gonna be tough to find now that the Gink boycott is on. In response to the international Gink boycott and in part because I’ve learned about Albolene, I am now presenting to roff subscribers (for a limited time only) a new product I call Fink-roff. It does a great job floating flies (or so I’ve been told) and can double as a hand cleanser in a pinch. Please excuse this commercial post, while I sit back and let those profits roll in! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
I apologize for my ignorance. What is Albolene?
Al Beatty mentioned this stuff recently too, including the name of a drug store cosmetic that he uses for a floatant. Breaker breaker Al, could you give us the name again? Thanks…Ross
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : An odorless, sort-of waxy, facial cream used to float flies. Probably : gonna be tough to find now that the Gink boycott is on. In response to the international Gink boycott and in part because I’ve learned about Albolene, I am now presenting to roff subscribers (for a limited time only) a new product I call Fink-roff. It does a great job floating flies (or so I’ve been told) and can double as a hand cleanser in a pinch. Please excuse this commercial post, while I sit back and let those profits roll in! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
So, Rick. When the profits start piling up, do you suppose you’ll be able to float me a loan? John
In response to the international Gink boycott….
Gink boycott?????
In response to the international Gink boycott…. Gink boycott?????
The Gink Boycott will NEVER float ! TimW
. . .Isn’t Gink just Albolene put into tiny jars with the decimal point on the price tag moved one notch to the right? I guess this would be like telling the Africans that the Coke bottle that fell out of the sky was simply a device built to hold a soda. Sorry Nancy, T-Bone and George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the summer; I found numerous bottles of a floatant, named Gink, along the streams I fish. Do you think people are just losing these, and should purchase those cute little bottle holders… or is this stuff, so bad..people are just throwing it away? I’m responsible for a whole bunch of these. I hate to wear a life jacket. Rather, I just rub Gink all over me before I go fishing. It works swell and when you fall in, you float like a cork. Saves me from carrying a rain jacket, too. Isn’t this the same stuff that all those English Channel swimmers used to grease up with? How about a trip out to Montauk, Tim? You gink up and we’ll do a little trollin’, eh chiefy? I always seem to lose the cap off the gink jar when it’s about half full and I can’t squeeze any more out and have to resort to scooping it out with a pine needle. Ross
– Ralph & Lisa Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com
: . . .Isn’t Gink just Albolene put into tiny jars with the decimal point on : the price tag moved one notch to the right? I apologize for my ignorance. What is Albolene? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
: . . .Isn’t Gink just Albolene put into tiny jars with the decimal point on : the price tag moved one notch to the right? I apologize for my ignorance. What is Albolene? — Rick
Rick, Albolene (sp?) cream is nothing more than a waterless hand cleaner that you can pick up at most drug stores! The reason many people use it is because it is chusk full of silicone. It does have a tendency; however, to produce that nasty little "oil ring" on the water for the first few casts. And because it comes in a jar, you have to put it in something to carry in your vest. Most people I knew use a film canister. This is fine, until this product heats up, builds pressure in the canister, and pops the top off! Everyone I know that uses this stuff (me included) has a nice big stain on their vest (T-Bone would be proud!) from this stuff melting out! It is very inexpensive, and one jar could last you a lifetime. -Mike
What is Albolene?
About $10 a jar for 5 lifetime supplies. Want some? An odorless, sort-of waxy, facial cream used to float flies. Probably gonna be tough to find now that the Gink boycott is on. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS
I’ve found that a well tied dry fly will float after making two or three false casts, so in most cases we can forget the floatant. Who needs that silicone mess and exploding Gink bottles?
: I always seem to lose the cap off the gink jar when it’s about half full : and I can’t squeeze any more out and have to resort to scooping it out : with a pine needle. That is because the stuff is cold. It flows freely in warm weather. I just put it in a pocket where it can be warmed by body heat. Jon Porter
That’s for sure. I was out on the last weekend for trout here (boo-hoo) and it was sorta cold. I couldn’t get the Gink to flow so I unscrewed the top and tried to get the mass to come up to the mouth of the bottle to dab off a little with my finger. Well, it wouldn’t move so I squeezed harder. When it moved the entire remaining half bottle fired off (nearly took off my head). There was an eerie stillness, as if the very wind had stopped, as the Gink slug described a perfect parabolic arc against the autumn sky and shimmering aspen leaf background. Landed about 20 feet away. Fortunately I was in a float tube and made the retrieve. Gink shot, corner pocket. Jon
: I always seem to lose the cap off the gink jar when it’s about half full : and I can’t squeeze any more out and have to resort to scooping it out : with a pine needle. That is because the stuff is cold. It flows freely in warm weather. I just put it in a pocket where it can be warmed by body heat. Jon Porter
: Isn’t this the same stuff that all those English Channel swimmers used : to grease up with? How about a trip out to Montauk, Tim? You gink : up and we’ll do a little trollin’, eh chiefy? Speaking of which: Did anyone else notice Richard Dreyfus smearing that little boat they were on with a slimy, colorless liquid? He alone used over three thousand bottles… And Nancy, I’m hoping you are a redhead. Or bald. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Over the summer; I found numerous bottles of a floatant, named Gink, along the streams I fish. Do you think people are just losing these, and should purchase those cute little bottle holders… or is this stuff, so bad..people are just throwing it away?
Nancy, I share your concerns. I’m responsible for a whole bunch of these. I hate to wear a life jacket. Rather, I just rub Gink all over me before I go fishing. It works swell and when you fall in, you float like a cork. Saves me from carrying a rain jacket, too. You should know also, that guides all over have recognized the deodorant qualities of George’s fine product and use it before going to dinner after an all day July float. The buzz phrase around here is: "Use Gink, Don’t Stink" . I’ve even used the stuff as a marital lubricant. It enhances the experience (and can actually save your life) when used in conjunction with a leaky waterbed. Keep your tips up, TimW How bad can this stuff be, to cause normal people to turn into common criminals and LITTER!!
The problem is you *can’t* throw the stuff away properly, it keeps floating to the top of the trash can and falls out. This has prompted Senate Bill #2469 – Gink Disposal Budget for the Next Millenium What if the beavers found this stuff and ate it, would it kill them?
No, but Wally would use it as palm oil. What if T-Bone found this stuff floating in his Homebrew, would it kill him?
I have actually brewed a delightful "Marzen Ginken Weisen" adding it to the mash just before sparging. I have not tried smoking it. How come this stuff is clear? Shouldn’t in come in the Borger Color system colors? No, that would be 106 bottles..that would be stupid!
Not really, Gary is now marketing a series of Gink Color Dyes, the "GCD-BCS". Any info would be helpful…
Any info ? helpful ? in this newsgroup ? C’mon ! and No, Rick, I’m not a blonde…..
You COULD be a blonde Nancy, just apply gink three times a day… just too much Homemade potato vodka
Impossible. You’re still posting aren’t you ? 8*) before steelheading…..
How many of those ErieHeads did you land anyway ? TimW
Over the summer; I found numerous bottles of a floatant, named Gink, along the streams I fish. Do you think people are just losing these, and should purchase those cute little bottle holders… or is this stuff, so bad..people are just throwing it away? I’m responsible for a whole bunch of these. I hate to wear a life jacket. Rather, I just rub Gink all over me before I go fishing. It works swell and when you fall in, you float like a cork. Saves me from carrying a rain jacket, too.
Isn’t this the same stuff that all those English Channel swimmers used to grease up with? How about a trip out to Montauk, Tim? You gink up and we’ll do a little trollin’, eh chiefy? I always seem to lose the cap off the gink jar when it’s about half full and I can’t squeeze any more out and have to resort to scooping it out with a pine needle. Ross
Looking for info on fishing Yosemite rivers. Planning a Spring ‘96 trip with the family. Thanks, Russ.
If you’re backpacking, try out the Tuolumne below Glen Aulin, anywhere along it down to Hetch Hetchy. It’s a serious hike, be prepared. You can walk in to the falls at Glen Aulin, and fishing the pool at the bottom is fun. You can backpack into some great lakes, like Benson or Smedberg. While fishing in the back country can be good, fishing off the trail (even a mile) can be terrific. It’s the crowds, man, you got to get away from the hordes of people who descend upon Yosemite.
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Last year was my first ordering from the Bass Pond, and I have sung their praises in this forum along with several of you out there. I’m wondering if we have to order a new catalog each year or do they mail out new catalogs to people on their mailing list? When is the new catalog due to be out? Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler
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