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Today it is windy and rainy (way more than usual) and all the boats are at the docks.  40 kt winds at Diamond Shoals.  The past four days have seen albie fishing of the best kind.  The cold weather and northerly winds brought the fish in like they are supposed to be. Most people are able to find some fish to cast to about all day long. And in the morning the fish have been feasting on everything and anything that people can throw at them.  Little flies, big flies, doesn’t much matter.  They will eat it.  In the afternoon they get a little bit pickier and a little more spread out but the morning action has been quite memorable.  The fish are coming up shoulder to shoulder and I would think that if you dragged your toes in the water you might get nipped.  Now those are aggressive fish!!  Sorry to those folks who came down before this.  The warm weather delayed the arrival.  Should be good for a while now.  If you can get down here, now would be a good time. Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com

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Gordon, will the Albies stay in close all winter or will they head further South? So how about booking 4 fly fishermen on 2 half day trips.  All 4 ride out to the Cape via ferry, they fish until you get there around 9ish (since Christine might be keeping you up late).  Two jump on board with you and go joy riding.  The other two continue to fish.  Around 12:30 you return and swap out sports with the two ashore and off you go.  Around 4 – 4:30 you return, pick up the first two and take all 4 back to ferry central.  This is starting to sound like a PLAN!  All 4 get both Cape Lookout shore fishing at the "Hook" and Albie chasing with you! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today it is windy and rainy (way more than usual) and all the boats are at the docks.  40 kt winds at Diamond Shoals.  The past four days have seen albie fishing of the best kind.  The cold weather and northerly winds brought the fish in like they are supposed to be. Most people are able to find some fish to cast to about all day long. And in the morning the fish have been feasting on everything and anything that people can throw at them.  Little flies, big flies, doesn’t much matter.  They will eat it.  In the afternoon they get a little bit pickier and a little more spread out but the morning action has been quite memorable.  The fish are coming up shoulder to shoulder and I would think that if you dragged your toes in the water you might get nipped.  Now those are aggressive fish!!  Sorry to those folks who came down before this.  The warm weather delayed the arrival.  Should be good for a while now.  If you can get down here, now would be a good time. Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com

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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

My pleasure. TL MC

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot!

Close. I get .0003318 in diameter. riverman

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In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

tight lines! –waldo

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I use Uni-knots and almost never had problems. Shame on you: didn’t you use a wire trace on your pike-leader? Hans van der Stroom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Slay dem fish Dave Handyman   Mike

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems.

You’ll get a hearty second recommendation from me regarding uniknots. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason" Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

I’m on your side also. GG

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Eric Larsen writes: I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC.

I use FC exclusively when nymphing and have no problems with knot failures.  I use a surgeon’s knot and a clinch knot, and I tie them with a tool.  No problems! In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

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I use a triple surgeon’s knot, and it works fine.  For attaching to wire or shock tippet, I use an albright knot with a dozen turns.  No troubles with broken or slipped knots. Chas ..snip.. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems. Well done on the double BTW Steve

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Hi All, I think that lots of the original FC is hard to knot so that is why I have not really recommended it to everyone. $13.95 and the Rio "Fluoroflex Plus",  knots seem to be much more dependable. We sell more FC every year now. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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A few of us fished it last weekend. The river was fishing rather well. In the evening there were tricos, LARGE stoneflies and small yellow stones with a few caddis. Stop into Fran Betters shop and ask what the river is doing. He is usually tying up flies to match the hatch. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paul Goodwin writes: A few of us fished it last weekend. The river was fishing rather well. In the evening there were tricos, LARGE stoneflies and small yellow stones with a few caddis. Stop into Fran Betters shop and ask what the river is doing. He is usually tying up flies to match the hatch. Paul Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

Yes, the river was fishing quite well.  Took some nice browns on cream colored nymps fished deep and slow.  Some surface activity — tricos and emerging midges.  Fran Betters will sell you some flies that you do not have in your fly box.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Two report pages: http://www.ausablewulff.com/updates.html http://www.ausableriversportshop.com/conditions.htm Obviously the first is out of date, so email or call from the home page.  The second is obviously more up-to-date, but I have to comment on something interesting there.  On the ausableriversportshop.com home page, it says "…the Conditions page – it will give you an honest, accurate account of what’s happening on the river today."  Well, how honest is that?  At the top it says "Today is Friday August 11."  That is, that’s what it says for *you*, if you’re reading it today, Aug 11.  But that’s not what it says for me, because I was doing a little playing with my computer and changed the date (for a different reason).  Point being, they imply the page is updated each day, but in fact it just picks that date up from whatever the current date is set to on your computer! Regards, Jeff

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I was in Syracuse for the TU convention. I heard mixed reports on the Ausable. Some good; some not so good. Al << Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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As promised to all of ROFF Will Soon Be Posted on my Web Site.  It is a large Research Paper and Report.  We may have to present it in 4 to eight Segments so it loads satisfactory for those interested. It has taken hundreds of hours editing and its still very disjointed when one takes a report this large and tries to cut it in half.  Anyone who is a writer of worth understands what it takes to accomplish it. "If I cut this, how do I link the gap into the flow where it picks up again?" Anyhow, It’s coming very soon. Lots to do yet. Thanks everyone for your patience. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/  Updates http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST till after midnight.

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As promised to all of ROFF Will Soon Be Posted on my Web Site.  It is a large Research Paper and Report.  We may have to present it in 4 to eight Segments so it loads satisfactory for those interested.

OK, why split this up for your own reading?  Well, maybe Tim will review it and Wayno will translate it, but….wait a minute, this IS beginning to have possibilities…<G… It has taken hundreds of hours editing and its still very disjointed when one takes a report this large and tries to cut it in half.  Anyone who is a writer of worth understands what it takes to accomplish it. "If I cut this, how do I link the gap into the flow where it picks up again?"

Disjointed Ginkspew?  That seems impossible.  If it is really that large, I doubt anyone will read it, even for laughs, so who cares?  If this is going to be like your "nature stories," why not just link to whomever you plan on plagiarizing, and be done with it.  Less trouble all around.  If you have in fact written this, or been a part of writing it, a team from Johns Hopkins is unlikely to sort it out, so chunk it up there with whatever target, gun and dead groundhog (I rarely read much of your writings anymore, but from replies, this is what it seems is there) you seem to have there now, and again, have done with it. Anyhow, It’s coming very soon. Lots to do yet.

I’ll bet… Thanks everyone for your patience.

The scientific community and the media are on high alert in anticipation, I’m sure. — Mr.G

Let me save you some time – I don’t care about your response, period, so save the bandwidth. R

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Dean Bean?  Would you stop slobbering all over my ring? mercy. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/  Updates And trust me, you will be the first to read ALL OF IT!

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I just got back from the White river,fished nymphs,midges,and sow bugs, caught some fish.I fished an olive wooley bugger tied sparce size10 and caught MANY fish!

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april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

I have never fished the area in April, but the White can be a good river to wade depending on how much water is being released from the dam at Bull Shoals.Dale Fulton runs Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home. He would be a fantastic point of contact because he is extremely knowledgable. His E-mail is like most other rivers in that sometimes dry flies work and sometimes they don’t. I prefer to fish with soft hackles so that is what I use a lot. A local pattern known as the Red Ass has done real well for me.I always take some small olive woolly buggers as well. Some people use carcass flies as well due to the turbines. Hope this helps a bit and you have a great time Big Dale

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there? I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth.

Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

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Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.

There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description).

Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers?

If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers? If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t forget the Yuk Bugs…..the browns love em’ at night… Greg H.

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth. Big Dale

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My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

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I’ve seen plenty of days when it wasn’t running.  To see the difference, visit the following URLs:         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/aftermath.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/River_Pics/Zoar3.jpg Not shot from the same POV, but you can see the large square rock that the paddlers are standing on in the first photo also in the second one, and note the difference.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I remember my friend Gabe (who is a crabapple guide) telling me about how bill had pinned a raft on that rock below the gap the day before. I remember hearing of pictures, but never saw them…This is a riot! I am gonna send this to every crab apple guide I know Chris

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These are SCHEDULED releases, dates on which there will definitely be water (absent low water, in which case the cancelled releases will be made up the following year, as is the case with 2 releases on the Dryway this year). Although there are often **unscheduled** releases many other days, they are not certain and may not happen if US generating choses not to generate at Fife Brook on those days.

Well, I ran fife brook 3-4 days a week this past summer, and I can’t remember a single day this past summer that they didn’t release. True…sometimes they don’t release, but it is extremely rare. There is a good 95% chance there will be water, and if there isn’t going to be…you’ll know because you have to call to find out discharge anyway Chris

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I’ve seen plenty of days when it wasn’t running.  To see the difference, visit the following URLs:         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/aftermath.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/River_Pics/Zoar3.jpg Not shot from the same POV, but you can see the large square rock that the paddlers are standing on in the first photo also in the second one, and note the difference. HAHAHAHAHAHA! I remember my friend Gabe (who is a crabapple guide) telling me about how bill had pinned a raft on that rock below the gap the day before. I remember hearing of pictures, but never saw them…This is a riot! I am gonna send this to every crab apple guide I know

Twasn’t Bill, it was Dirk.  It happened last October, so I’m not sure if it’s the same incident.  The whole sequence of events is:         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/sofarsogood.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/unexpectedbump.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/overtheside.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/uhoh.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/aftermath.jpg Every raft guide needs fifteen minutes of fame.  The real lucky ones get fifteen minutes of fame and a rock named after them — ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         "They write books that contradict the rocks…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fife Brook April 10-11, 14-18, 21-23, 28-30 May 1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-23, 27-30 June 10-13, 17, 19-20, 23-27 July 3, 7-11, 17-18, 21-25, 28-31 August 1, 4-8, 12-15, 19-22, 26-29 Sept. 1-5, 8-12, 18-19, 22-24 Oct. 2-3, 6-10, 13-17, 20-22 Total number of releases: 106 don’t listen to these dates…I don’t know where US generating pulled these from. Fife brook runs every single day…with a flow of at least 700 cfs.

I’ve seen plenty of days when it wasn’t running.  To see the difference, visit the following URLs:         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/Rafting/aftermath.jpg         http://www.shore.net/~malmros/Images/Paddling/River_Pics/Zoar3.jpg Not shot from the same POV, but you can see the large square rock that the paddlers are standing on in the first photo also in the second one, and note the difference.   — ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         "They write books that contradict the rocks…"

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These are SCHEDULED releases, dates on which there will definitely be water (absent low water, in which case the cancelled releases will be made up the following year, as is the case with 2 releases on the Dryway this year). Although there are often **unscheduled** releases many other days, they are not certain and may not happen if US generating choses not to generate at Fife Brook on those days. -Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fife Brook April 10-11, 14-18, 21-23, 28-30 May 1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-23, 27-30 June 10-13, 17, 19-20, 23-27 July 3, 7-11, 17-18, 21-25, 28-31 August 1, 4-8, 12-15, 19-22, 26-29 Sept. 1-5, 8-12, 18-19, 22-24 Oct. 2-3, 6-10, 13-17, 20-22 Total number of releases: 106 don’t listen to these dates…I don’t know where US generating pulled these from. Fife brook runs every single day…with a flow of at least 700 cfs. The river runs even this time of year. call 1-888-flo-fone for times and discharge Chris

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US Generating Company publishes these dates because they are the ONLY scheduled releases for Fife Brook in 1999.  It’s true that they often release on unscheduled days when there is power demand, especially this time of year.  But don’t expect there to be many unscheduled releases mid-summer unless we have a wet summer.  It certainly does not run every day in the summer.  They usually update the flo-fone (888-356-3663) around 5pm for the next day, but they are not always consistent about it in the winter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fife Brook April 10-11, 14-18, 21-23, 28-30 May 1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-23, 27-30 June 10-13, 17, 19-20, 23-27 July 3, 7-11, 17-18, 21-25, 28-31 August 1, 4-8, 12-15, 19-22, 26-29 Sept. 1-5, 8-12, 18-19, 22-24 Oct. 2-3, 6-10, 13-17, 20-22 Total number of releases: 106 don’t listen to these dates…I don’t know where US generating pulled these from. Fife brook runs every single day…with a flow of at least 700 cfs. The river runs even this time of year. call 1-888-flo-fone for times and discharge Chris

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kathy,         those are last years dates, ya gotta move them all back a day.    black: july 24   beaver sept. 4-5 i think moose oct.16 deerfield july 31  hope that helps and hope to see ya ’s there. in anticipation for precipitation!

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Oh um   yeah      that’s what I meant    thanks for waking me up and bringing me forward with time. for a Moose River virtual tour,  check out www.dreamscape.com/kkemp/moose/index.htm Kathy

kathy,         those are last years dates, ya gotta move them all back a day.    black: july 24   beaver sept. 4-5 i think moose oct.16 deerfield july 31 hope that helps and hope to see ya ’s there. in anticipation for precipitation!

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Full schedules will be posted by the end of the week to the American Whitewater and NOWR web sites.  www.awa.org and www.nowr.org.  Sorry for the delay. Jayne Abbot, Events Manager American Whitewater/NOWR

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Fife Brook April 10-11, 14-18, 21-23, 28-30 May 1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-23, 27-30 June 10-13, 17, 19-20, 23-27 July 3, 7-11, 17-18, 21-25, 28-31 August 1, 4-8, 12-15, 19-22, 26-29 Sept. 1-5, 8-12, 18-19, 22-24 Oct. 2-3, 6-10, 13-17, 20-22 Total number of releases: 106

don’t listen to these dates…I don’t know where US generating pulled these from. Fife brook runs every single day…with a flow of at least 700 cfs. The river runs even this time of year. call 1-888-flo-fone for times and discharge Chris

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New England FLOW and USGenerating 1999 Deerfield River Whitewater Schedule Fife Brook April 10-11, 14-18, 21-23, 28-30 May 1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-23, 27-30 June 10-13, 17, 19-20, 23-27 July 3, 7-11, 17-18, 21-25, 28-31 August 1, 4-8, 12-15, 19-22, 26-29 Sept. 1-5, 8-12, 18-19, 22-24 Oct. 2-3, 6-10, 13-17, 20-22 Total number of releases: 106 Monroe Bridge May 23, 29, 30 June 5, 6, 13, 18 (Fri.), 20, 25 (Fri.), 26 July 3, 4, 10, 11, 16 (Fri.), 17, 24, 30 (Fri.), 31 August 1, 6 (Fri.), 7, 14, 15, 20 (Fri.), 21, 28, 29 Sept. 4, 11, 12, 19 Oct. 9, 10 Total number of releases: 34 Notes: The May 23 and July 3 dates on Monroe Bridge are make-up days for the two lost days in September, 1998. Special Events: One Fly Fishing Tournament, June 5-6 – minimum flow in Fife Brook only. Lions Club Canoe Race, June 26 – Fife 9 a.m.- 1 p.m. release Riverfest, July 30-31-Aug. 1.

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(I have the following dates for the Bloomington releases: 4/17, 18; 5/1, 2, 16, 17, 29, and 30; can someone confirm these dates?)

I can and so can the Army Corps of Engineers at their Bloominton info website: http://nab71.nab-wc.usace.army.mil/projects/rand/WHITEWATER99.html – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Life on the newsgroup is a strange gestalt of folks who are brethern at heart the long distance trippers, and rads throwing ends, and those who ask how to start" – CubicDog

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Moose River Festival October 17 Old Forge, NY "Don’t call this a Festival River Rendezvous" September 5-7 Belfort, NY/Beaver River and I must add the: Black River Festival July 25-26 Watertown, NY ……What are the dates for the Moose (NY) Fest, Beaver (NY) Rendezvous…… Enquiring Minds Want To Know!

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Of all of these, ol’ dynamo_ratt, you must not miss the Beaver releases. — Richard Hopley, concise and to the point, as always. OC-1; Rockville, Maryland, USA, BBM; (301) 330-8265 Monocacy Canoe Club, Blue Ridge Voyageurs, Canoe Cruisers’ Ass’n, Greater Baltimore CC, Coastal Canoeists, Rhode Island Canoe/Kayak Ass’n, Carolina CC, Tennessee Scenic Rivers Ass’n, ACA, and AWA Note 1: Sometimes I just forget to type that smiley-face emoticon. Note 2: Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll.

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No, I’m not trying to find my pet moose and beaver a romantic tryst. Rather, I’m putting together this year’s Tripp schedule for Keel-haulers, and I need to know: What are the dates for the Moose (NY) Fest, Beaver (NY) Rendezvous, and the West River (VT), Deerfield Dryway (MA), and North Branch Potomac (Bloomington) releases? (I have the following dates for the Bloomington releases: 4/17, 18; 5/1, 2, 16, 17, 29, and 30; can someone confirm these dates?) Enquiring Minds Want To Know!

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No, I’m not trying to find my pet moose and beaver a romantic tryst. Rather, I’m putting together this year’s Tripp schedule for Keel-haulers, and I need to know: What are the dates for the Moose (NY) Fest, Beaver (NY) Rendezvous, and the West River (VT), Deerfield Dryway (MA), and North Branch Potomac (Bloomington) releases? (I have the following dates for the Bloomington releases: 4/17, 18; 5/1, 2, 16, 17, 29, and 30; can someone confirm these dates?) Enquiring Minds Want To Know!

Zoar Outdoor posted the Deerfield dates on their website (www.zoaroutdoor.com).  Make sure you look at the dryway dates and don’t confuse them with Fife Brook — there are a LOT more Fife Brook dates! — ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         "They write books that contradict the rocks…"

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

     Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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My experience with this goes back about 15 years ago, BC (before children).  My best buddy and I were AVID backpackers, taking two one week trips and at least 4 long weekenders a year in the Sierras, mostly between 8,000 and 10,500 elevations. These were all summer and fall trips, and the mosquitos were brutal- the only saving grace was they were so big, you’d either see their lights or hear the landing gear dropping as they came in on you! =8^) But seriously folks…..when we went out for a week at a time, and KNEW we’d never see anyone else that we cared if we offended or not, we would start taking garlic OIL capsules two days before our trip and take them daily with every meal until two days before we came back out into the real world again.  We had little if any problem with mosquitos on these trips, but did carry Cutter’s or OFF with us in the event of an unusually persistent swarm. Believe you me though, YOU WILL REEK all the while it’s in your system…you sweat it out bigtime and that’s why it keeps them off of you.  When we returned and it was washtime for the trail clothes and sleeping bag…they STUNK of garlic something fierce. I think you may need to experiment with how much to use, everybody’s different, but make sure it’s the kind of garlic oil capsules that have the odor..some of them don’t. Larry #:)#

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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writes It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.

Hi John, why not start chewing on Thursday, that will guarantee the ladies will be out of town at the weekend. No more snakes I hope?  Regards, — Bill

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

      Sorry about the digression, it was offered as other little known facts of insect behavior from personal experience. If cutters works for you that is fine. The question was "does garlic work and why". The answers were "yes" and "through masking of cabon dioxide in the breath." . This is also true of noseeums (sand gnats).                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

     There is no DETECTED odor (by humans). However the noseeum plague that has recently affected Fl. school yards has prompted studies that concluded "sand ghnates are attracted by carbon dioxide exhalations" a means has been developed whereby a microb emitting carbondioxide is used in traps around school yards to attract and trap the insects. It worked, it was also found that the traps contained mesquitos also, due to the same olfactory stimuli.      It is an asumption on my part that the masking of the breath is the reason garlic or smoking work. It is however a plausable conclusion when if biting insects are bothering me, I light up and they go away as has happened many times as has chewing a few sections of garlic cloves before beginning mowing where I know there are gnats or mesquitos. I’m never bothered and don’t feel like a greased pig.                                                            John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included.

I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.  Smoking, on the other hand is a fairly good method of keeping people and mosquitos away.  If you are not a smoker, however, you should stick to good old chemical repelent. Kanghoon Lee

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[deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.

[deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent. [deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

You mean, use it just like a stink bomb?  I never thought of that Thanks. Kanghoon

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Anything that deters the moeskeeters must be worth a try — Regards Peter

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

Its also a known carcinogen. I love the stuff, but if garlic works (and its good for your heart)…. I’ll bite (bad pun)

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!! Ed

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!!

Ah! but have you been out at night, fishing for sea trout? Bewaaaare! The Vampire Coachman will get you. — Bill

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

Hi All, A friend of mine that lives in BC doesn’t have a problem with mosquitos himself. They bite him and nothing happens?  I guess he is not effected by the anti- coagulants that they inject into you so they can keep the blood flowing. I guess the itchy bumps that we get are a reaction to the anti-coagulants? I like to stop in Williams, CA, just off Hwy I5, about an hour north of Sacramento for a garlic fix! We stop at Luie Ciro’s(sp) in the town of Williams for some of the best Italian food in the area. They have what they call ‘Luie Bread’. It is baked French bread with about a 1/2" of chopped fresh garlic on top. Wow, what a smell! Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

     It is also said to keep away vampires and definatly keeps people out of your private space. Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. Here in florida "no seeums" are really bad during dry seasons but I am not bothered by them due to my smoking. Garlic will do wonders for your colesteral count and inhibit the pesky little critters. It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.                                                     John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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[rip...] Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

What do you think Rocky Flats is there for ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

if you read john gierach, you would get a pretty good idea of what the area is like…it is his haunt and he does talk about it a lot… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks. Saw Hill Ponds, off 75th st. in Boulder.  Big bluegill and lots of bass, some very large.  I know it ain’t trout, but the panfish action will be great this time of year.  Tell him to walk to the back ponds. JE

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?)

If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them…

I would not try to smoke any tobacco products either.  They get pretty testy about that shit.  Noone will bug you if you decide to spark up a Fat One:-) though, in fact they may want to join you. I would also avoid taking dumpsters, lighting them on fire, and then rolling them down The Hill at policemen. You can, however, get away with murder in that town.  If you do kill someone, the police will posture for months and then bust some poor homeless guy on drugs instead. Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing. </chaz

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I have always found that Green Weenies are successful.  at least by accident when I am fishing for trout.     Bob

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        I would like to know if carp will take a fly?  If so,  which fly(s) seem to work?

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Any fly will catch carp . . . provided it’s lashed to the front end of a bow fishing rig 8^) Cheers, Eric — Dept. of Biol. Sci.           415/723-4365 (w) Stanford University           415/969-2379 (h) Stanford, CA 94305 "If I ain’t studyin’ ‘em, I wanna be catchin’ em."

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   I would like to know if carp will take a fly?  If so,  which fly(s) seem to work?

FWIW, the other day I caught a carp on a hopper pattern. — John Kleist                          | Fort Collins, CO 80523               |

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       I would like to know if carp will take a fly?  If so,  which fly(s) seem to work?

Many of the larger nymph patterns (esp. hare’s ears) will work for "mudding" carp, although strikes are brief, gentle, and very difficult to detect.  Small wooly buggers also will work. It’s worth tying in something bright that you can see under a  couple of feet of water at a decent distance; when it disappears, STRIKE. Carp also will target foods that are abundant at different times of the year, but I promise I won’t tell my mulberry fly story yet again. Tight Lines, BRAD DeVRIES

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:       I would like to know if carp will take a fly?  If so,  which : fly(s) seem to work? :       During a troutless day last Summer I saw a large fish feeding in shallow muddy water. It’s yellow belly told me it was probably a carp and being bored witless I cast a hare’s ear nymph upstream of it and let it drift by. The strike was gentle, and because I was using a brown sinking line I felt it rather than saw any indication. This fish went straight for the bottom of the fast part of the current and with my 3-wt tackle it was like heaving in an anchor. I got the feeling the fish would be happy to lie around all day with a fly in its face because it didn’t struggle, just lay there. It weighed about four pounds. Not great sport, really, and that big sucker mouth gives me the creeps. Callum

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   I would like to know if carp will take a fly?  If so,  which fly(s) seem to work?

Try egg patterns like you would for steelhead or salmon. I’ve caught many on Chartruse green egg patterns and "green weenies". Don’t go below 4x tippet. It seems to be the lightest you can go and still hold most of them. Todd Seigfried

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Yes, it’s true.  My first sighting.  Along Henry’s Fork, the Deschutes, the Madison?  Nope.  Parked outside a gourmet coffee shop on Bainbridge Island, Washington. Tight Lines (and tall lattes), Scott

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: Yes, it’s true.  My first sighting.  Along Henry’s Fork, the Deschutes, : the Madison?  Nope.  Parked outside a gourmet coffee shop on Bainbridge : Island, Washington. Now *there’s* a shock : Tight Lines (and tall lattes), I like grande’s -JEG — John E. Grant             |"it’s 3 days ride from Bakersfield and I don’t http://www.tufts.edu/~jgrant1

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Yes, it’s true.  My first sighting.  Along Henry’s Fork, the Deschutes, the Madison?  Nope.  Parked outside a gourmet coffee shop on Bainbridge Island, Washington.

Gosh, saw one today myself. Outside of Boushey’s Fruit Market; "Cheeses of the World, 250 varieties…" on Elgin Street, here in Ottawa. Maybe belonged to a visting American, come to think of it Bill C. _was_ in town. Naaaa….. In anycase this ain’t trout country anyway; smallies, walleye & muskies maybe. — Blair Sharpe Ottawa, ON, Canada

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This thread should be renamed.  How about "An oil leak runs through it"? Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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I saw the owner’s manual in a book store recently.  I think it’s called "Fly Fishing Through The Mid-Life Crisis."  I’ll be moving along, thanks. Don’t fish and tell. Terry

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: I saw the owner’s manual in a book store recently.  I think it’s called : "Fly Fishing Through The Mid-Life Crisis."  I’ll be moving along, thanks. : Don’t fish and tell. : Terry If you haven’t read FFTM-LC don’t knock it.  It’s good!.  Not Gierach, perhaps, but better than Lyons.

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I saw the owner’s manual in a book store recently.  I think it’s called "Fly Fishing Through The Mid-Life Crisis."  I’ll be moving along, thanks. Don’t fish and tell. Terry

Read the book now I guess I will have to buy the jeep, special edition no doubt. Probably comes with a built in rod rack, fly tying table, wine cooler etc. To bad I still have to work for a living.

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It’s a wonderful book, but I don’t get your comparison of Lyons and Gierach. Both are fine essayists, but Lyons, it seems to me, plays it deeper and acknowledges something more of the complexities of human experience than Gierach…without any less humor, understanding of the sport and its Richards) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I saw the owner’s manual in a book store recently.  I think it’s called : "Fly Fishing Through The Mid-Life Crisis."  I’ll be moving along, thanks. : Don’t fish and tell. : Terry If you haven’t read FFTM-LC don’t knock it.  It’s good!.  Not Gierach, perhaps, but better than Lyons.

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It does not come with fly tieing table or cooler.  That is extra. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the owner’s manual in a book store recently.  I think it’s called "Fly Fishing Through The Mid-Life Crisis."  I’ll be moving along, thanks. Don’t fish and tell. Terry Read the book now I guess I will have to buy the jeep, special edition no doubt. Probably comes with a built in rod rack, fly tying table, wine cooler etc. To bad I still have to work for a living.

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I’ve never seen one and don’t plan to as long as it stays on the east

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