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Dave, when you get the details all worked out. Post a thread outlining same so everybody won’t respond to such a length that I read them all and get confused. And I hope you recoup your investment first……

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Asadi writes: Dave, when you get the details all worked out. Post a thread outlining same so everybody won’t respond to such a length that I read them all and get confused. And I hope you recoup your investment first……

Will do that, John.  The participation has slowed – 37 tickets right now.  BTW, I ain’t doin’ this to regain any investment.  Remember when I bought it from Vern that several kind folks sent me money which I sent to a teacher in Maine who teaches his 9th graders fly fishing. Dave

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I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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North Florida!!!!  Another bullshit spammer.  I was hoping for a report on fly fishing in another star system. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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Yesterday I got news from a friend that Sydney Harbour was really firing, with big schools of bonito and yellowtail kingfish feeding on top nearly all morning – he and his wife got several good bonnies on fly and lost a kingie, fly line and all before leaving, sick of catching ‘em. I got my gear out before bed, putting a Teeny ‘head on my 11 wt and an intermediate on the 8. The sky was clearing after intermittent drizzle since Christmas Eve. I woke up at 5am this morning to the sound of pouring rain. It’s been going all day (it’s nearly 1 pm now). The wind is up around 15kts, a southerly, which ruins my chances in my 4.2m runabout. I’ve downloaded all the Win’98 Y2K patches I can, I’ve upgraded my antivirus data files, I’ve eaten most of the leftovers in the fridge, but there are a I’M PISSED OFF I WANT TO GO FISHING JK

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I know how you feel John, s’been hissing down here for 3 days or so … still we need it.  Having decided to take the plunge (finally!) into the salt  I’ve been tying a box full of saltwater flies in anticiaption and what happens? … still we need it. good luck when the weather breaks. Steve

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I wish we had some of that rain! Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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I’ve got a lot of empty bottles here I could fill for you.

John : If you want, you could send a bunch of bottles of rain to Dallas. Nearby Lake Lewisville is still 13.3 feet low and weather liers offer no help. The weather here was 73 degrees this afternoon with blue skies and the wind was less than 20 m.p.h.  If this keeps up all the catfish will die of sunburn. There Waldo and Jeff are fishing in beautiful gray days and knocking ice out of their rod guides and we are stuck in this damn bluebird kind of days and still wearing shorts and sandals. I am jealous. It is still too hot to enjoy a Young’s Oatmeal Stout. Big Dale Big Dale

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….It is still too hot to enjoy a Young’s Oatmeal Stout.

Unimaginable Dale.  Never been a fan of hot weather myself but it’s never too hot to drink a good beer, especially if it accompanies a nice mess of fried bluegills. And as the latter are something of a specialty of yours I should think you’d be in pretty good shape.  Bottoms up!

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Where are you Forrest? I’ve got a lot of empty bottles here I could fill for you. Cheers JK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish we had some of that rain! Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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Big Dale, Don’t worry, that’s the one thing with the weather – I guarantee it will change (for better or for worse is the only question, and not even the meteorologists know that!). You wouldn’t believe it here today, not a cloud in the sky, no wind, 25deg Some how I have to tell my better half that I’m going to get some of those kingies at 5am tomorrow morning (New Years Eve), it might be my last chance. Cheers JK

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I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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Hi Gregory, That is known as tying on a ‘dropper’ fly.  I tie it on above the barb of the first fly, using the clinch knot, about 18" long.  There are other methods of tying on a dropper on the tippet above the terminal fly, but your instructor wanted to keep it simple.  And yes, it is a good idea to use a dropper at times.  Many times when fish won’t hit on top, they’ll go for the dropper.  I fish for bluegill with this method when they get a little sulky in the summer,  and again in the fall when topwater fishing slows down.  Some might call this ‘bobber fishin’, but don’t let that influence you. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

|I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing |the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. |It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the |end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks |Greg

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This is a common technique when fishing wet flies. A fly is tied to the end of the leader as usual and another is tied to what is called a dropper. This is usually made when tying the leader by extending one end of the blood knot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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(good dropper advice snipped ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

Frank, I know you are a smallie fan.  A #4 or #6 hair bug for the surface and a nymph or small streamer as a dropper tied in the manner you described makes a particularly deadly combination for smallmouth.  The fish may take either fly.  This also works on trout on larger waters and is particularly effective in faster water.  In the case of trout use a slightly smaler top bug and a size 14 or 16 nymph. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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You can add an additional fly by simply tying a length of tippet to the eye of the first fly. This is how I was taught on the San Juan. The first fly can be dry attractor ( serves as strike indicator) or other while the lower fly a nymph. Two nymphs regular technique on San Juan, at least for the guide I had. One warning, I am not sure two flies are legal on all waters. You should check before using this technique as ignorance of the rules will not necessarily get you off the hook so to speak. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful replies to my original post. Just thought I’d let you know that my wife and I went to Rifle again this past weekend and I was allowed 1 hour to fish (she needs her climbing partner, after all). This time I found that my casting had already improved a lot and I kept my fly on the water (and out of the bushes) much more of the time. I got two small browns this time, and a LOT of missed strikes. Conclusion: my casting and presentation have improved somewhat, and I need to figure out how to convert those strikes into caught fish! By the way, I guess I didn’t make it clear that I grew up in Texas, but no longer live there. Now I live in Colorado — if anyone has recommendations for small streams to fish near Boulder, please let me know. I’ve fished the Boulder and St. Vrain creeks (S & N), but not with my fly rod. bock – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations!  But watch out, this has all the stuff that addictions are made of.  I vividly remember my first trout on the fly, and as the metaphor states__hook, line and sinker..I was a gonner.  Living in Texas you must have many bass waters.  Don’t be afraid to challenge them with your fly rod.  A whole lot of fun.  As far as the things like tangled line, too much slack line, or being snagged in the trees goes, don’t worry. These things are all common, and their rate of occurrence will decrease as you level of skill increases.  Have fun! Jeff Boks Fly Fishing~~~~~Just Do It

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Congratulations!  But watch out, this has all the stuff that addictions are made of.  I vividly remember my first trout on the fly, and as the metaphor states__hook, line and sinker..I was a gonner.  Living in Texas you must have many bass waters.  Don’t be afraid to challenge them with your fly rod.  A whole lot of fun.  As far as the things like tangled line, too much slack line, or being snagged in the trees goes, don’t worry. These things are all common, and their rate of occurrence will decrease as you level of skill increases.  Have fun! Jeff Boks Fly Fishing~~~~~Just Do It

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Heed the warnings and stay at rock climbing or whatever – the addiction cannot be overcome. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mark B,   I understand the joy of flyfishing.  I recently started (this past Jan) and I finaly caught my first fish on a fly.  After spending time on the South Platte river trying to understand how and where I need to present my fly I had to deploy overseas for an extended period of time.  When I got back all I could think about was going fishing.  My friend, and flyfishing mentor, and I took off early one morning to a local lake to get some flies wet.  After watching the surface for a little while I tied on a #20 misqutoe and within seconds of hitting the water WHAM!  I caught a 16 rainbow.  I will never go back to a spinning rig ever. Rik This past Sunday I finally reached a milestone in my fishing career…my first trout on a fly.

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Mark B,   I understand the joy of flyfishing.  I recently started (this past Jan) and I finaly caught my first fish on a fly.  After spending time on the South Platte river trying to understand how and where I need to present my fly I had to deploy overseas for an extended period of time.  When I got back all I could think about was going fishing.  My friend, and flyfishing mentor, and I took off early one morning to a local lake to get some flies wet.  After watching the surface for a little while I tied on a #20 misqutoe and within seconds of hitting the water WHAM!  I caught a 16 rainbow.  I will never go back to a spinning rig ever. Rik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past Sunday I finally reached a milestone in my fishing career…my first trout on a fly. I’ve been fishing for the past 21 years. For one reason or another I never really got into fly fishing, perhaps because I lived in Texas where there were no trout streams for many hundreds of miles (or so it seemed), perhaps because nobody I knew liked to fly fish. I did buy a $30 fly rod combo when I was about 12, but I don’t think I ever caught so much as a bluegill on the thing. My fly fishing was relegated to dreams of clear sparkling streams filled with trout, and to the hours spent reading armloads of books from the local library, books like "In Search of Trout" and "Teach Your Dad How to Fish." Whatever the case, the fact is that my $30 fly rod still sits in my closet unused, despite a recently increasing longing to learn the art. So, last week I bought a 3-weight rod from Cabela’s for $175, determined to this time become a *real* student of fly fishing. My wife and I are avid rock climbers, climbing an average 4 days a week. One of our favorite places to climb is Rifle Mountain Park in western Colorado, a 2-mile long narrow canyon with steep overhanging limestone walls. In this semi-arid landscape, the canyon offers a lush riparian habitat, with a splendid little creek sustaining an almost rainforest-like growth of green things. Normally when we go to Rifle I keep my ultra-light spinning rod in the truck and stalk the many browns in the creek after a hard day’s climbing. This has been my favorite type of fishing — using stealth techniques to creep up to a promising section, flipping a little spinner to just the right spot through the trees and brush, then–when I’ve done everything right–being rewarded with a sparkling trout. On Saturday, with my new fly rod in hand, I felt strangely like an adult in the body of a child just learning to walk. I knew where the trout lay, I knew where to cast, I even knew the fundamentals of fly casting from the many afternoons spent in my yard in Texas as a kid. These damn plants of all kinds just kept getting in the way! It seemed like every time I went to cast, I’d either get hung up on the backcast or the forecast. I would set the rod down and free my fly, only to have the same thing happen as soon as I picked up my rod again. I have much to learn! Finally I stepped into the creek with my Teva’s, braving the bone- chilling cold to cast to a great-looking lie about twenty feet upstream. The sun’s reflection prevented me from seeing my fly, but I knew where it should have been. Suddenly, a swirl in that exact spot. My heart leaped — a trout had just inhaled my fly! I raised the rod tip instinctively, just as I realized that the pile of line at my feet was in no way connected to either of my hands. I was caught completely unprepared. This was my only strike that day. By midafternoon the next day I managed to complete my climbing "project" for the weekend, a short little climb that overhangs by about twenty feet and finishes only 30 feet above the ground (Yes, the ways of both climbing and fly fishing may seem strange to those who don’t practice these sports). This left me free to take up the rod again in pursuit of Salmo trutta. I hurriedly rigged my rod and tied on a tan elk hair caddis. Wanting to give myself every possible advantage, I headed for the best pool in the entire canyon. Almost thirty feet across, this pool always holds a good many fish. Usually they can be seen actively feeding on the surface, and this is exactly what they were doing as I arrived. Crouched behind a convenient boulder, I peered over the water and saw a trout right below me. With just a few inches of fly line extending past the end of my rod, I flipped my 9-foot leader in the direction of the trout. One second later…GULP! He casually sucked the caddis off the surface. This time I was ready and soon I had my flopping trout to the water’s edge. I paused a few seconds to admire the trout’s exquisite spots, then watched it shoot back to its home with a few quick flips of its tail. My journey had begun. -bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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This past Sunday I finally reached a milestone in my fishing career…my first trout on a fly. I’ve been fishing for the past 21 years. For one reason or another I never really got into fly fishing, perhaps because I lived in Texas where there were no trout streams for many hundreds of miles (or so it seemed), perhaps because nobody I knew liked to fly fish. I did buy a $30 fly rod combo when I was about 12, but I don’t think I ever caught so much as a bluegill on the thing. My fly fishing was relegated to dreams of clear sparkling streams filled with trout, and to the hours spent reading armloads of books from the local library, books like "In Search of Trout" and "Teach Your Dad How to Fish." Whatever the case, the fact is that my $30 fly rod still sits in my closet unused, despite a recently increasing longing to learn the art. So, last week I bought a 3-weight rod from Cabela’s for $175, determined to this time become a *real* student of fly fishing. My wife and I are avid rock climbers, climbing an average 4 days a week. One of our favorite places to climb is Rifle Mountain Park in western Colorado, a 2-mile long narrow canyon with steep overhanging limestone walls. In this semi-arid landscape, the canyon offers a lush riparian habitat, with a splendid little creek sustaining an almost rainforest-like growth of green things. Normally when we go to Rifle I keep my ultra-light spinning rod in the truck and stalk the many browns in the creek after a hard day’s climbing. This has been my favorite type of fishing — using stealth techniques to creep up to a promising section, flipping a little spinner to just the right spot through the trees and brush, then–when I’ve done everything right–being rewarded with a sparkling trout. On Saturday, with my new fly rod in hand, I felt strangely like an adult in the body of a child just learning to walk. I knew where the trout lay, I knew where to cast, I even knew the fundamentals of fly casting from the many afternoons spent in my yard in Texas as a kid. These damn plants of all kinds just kept getting in the way! It seemed like every time I went to cast, I’d either get hung up on the backcast or the forecast. I would set the rod down and free my fly, only to have the same thing happen as soon as I picked up my rod again. I have much to learn! Finally I stepped into the creek with my Teva’s, braving the bone- chilling cold to cast to a great-looking lie about twenty feet upstream. The sun’s reflection prevented me from seeing my fly, but I knew where it should have been. Suddenly, a swirl in that exact spot. My heart leaped — a trout had just inhaled my fly! I raised the rod tip instinctively, just as I realized that the pile of line at my feet was in no way connected to either of my hands. I was caught completely unprepared. This was my only strike that day. By midafternoon the next day I managed to complete my climbing "project" for the weekend, a short little climb that overhangs by about twenty feet and finishes only 30 feet above the ground (Yes, the ways of both climbing and fly fishing may seem strange to those who don’t practice these sports). This left me free to take up the rod again in pursuit of Salmo trutta. I hurriedly rigged my rod and tied on a tan elk hair caddis. Wanting to give myself every possible advantage, I headed for the best pool in the entire canyon. Almost thirty feet across, this pool always holds a good many fish. Usually they can be seen actively feeding on the surface, and this is exactly what they were doing as I arrived. Crouched behind a convenient boulder, I peered over the water and saw a trout right below me. With just a few inches of fly line extending past the end of my rod, I flipped my 9-foot leader in the direction of the trout. One second later…GULP! He casually sucked the caddis off the surface. This time I was ready and soon I had my flopping trout to the water’s edge. I paused a few seconds to admire the trout’s exquisite spots, then watched it shoot back to its home with a few quick flips of its tail. My journey had begun. -bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Saturday, with my new fly rod in hand, I felt strangely like an adult in the body of a child just learning to walk. I knew where the trout lay, I knew where to cast, I even knew the fundamentals of fly casting from the many afternoons spent in my yard in Texas as a kid. These damn plants of all kinds just kept getting in the way! It seemed like every time I went to cast, I’d either get hung up on the backcast or the forecast. I would set the rod down and free my fly, only to have the same thing happen as soon as I picked up my rod again. I have much to learn! Finally I stepped into the creek with my Teva’s, braving the bone- chilling cold to cast to a great-looking lie about twenty feet upstream. The sun’s reflection prevented me from seeing my fly, but I knew where it should have been. Suddenly, a swirl in that exact spot. My heart leaped — a trout had just inhaled my fly! I raised the rod tip instinctively, just as I realized that the pile of line at my feet was in no way connected to either of my hands. I was caught completely unprepared. This was my only strike that day.

I snipped all but this of this wonderful post because it rang true with me. I think half of flyfishing success is learning to negotiate the intricacies of dangling line, leader, and fly in the midst of thousands of prickly little sticks and stems. The general rule I live by is that if it’s possible to get snagged you will get snagged. After a great deal of pain and aggravation you learn to anticipate any remotely possible snagging hazard. Then you find yourself with your fly on the water for the majority of the time, instead of unraveling impossible snags for the majority of the time. As you’ve discovered, markb, there are about a million ways you can screw up when flyfishing. That just makes getting it right so much sweeter.

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congrats–bass are real kick on a fly.  there is lots of stream fishing for them in the hill country and lots of good lakes.  if you are on the coast you have chances at really good fish.   wait til you get your first red. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past Sunday I finally reached a milestone in my fishing career…my first trout on a fly. I’ve been fishing for the past 21 years. For one reason or another I never really got into fly fishing, perhaps because I lived in Texas where there were no trout streams for many hundreds of miles (or so it seemed), perhaps because nobody I knew liked to fly fish. I did buy a $30 fly rod combo when I was about 12, but I don’t think I ever caught so much as a bluegill on the thing. My fly fishing was relegated to dreams of clear sparkling streams filled with trout, and to the hours spent reading armloads of books from the local library, books like "In Search of Trout" and "Teach Your Dad How to Fish." Whatever the case, the fact is that my $30 fly rod still sits in my closet unused, despite a recently increasing longing to learn the art. So, last week I bought a 3-weight rod from Cabela’s for $175, determined to this time become a *real* student of fly fishing. My wife and I are avid rock climbers, climbing an average 4 days a week. One of our favorite places to climb is Rifle Mountain Park in western Colorado, a 2-mile long narrow canyon with steep overhanging limestone walls. In this semi-arid landscape, the canyon offers a lush riparian habitat, with a splendid little creek sustaining an almost rainforest-like growth of green things. Normally when we go to Rifle I keep my ultra-light spinning rod in the truck and stalk the many browns in the creek after a hard day’s climbing. This has been my favorite type of fishing — using stealth techniques to creep up to a promising section, flipping a little spinner to just the right spot through the trees and brush, then–when I’ve done everything right–being rewarded with a sparkling trout. On Saturday, with my new fly rod in hand, I felt strangely like an adult in the body of a child just learning to walk. I knew where the trout lay, I knew where to cast, I even knew the fundamentals of fly casting from the many afternoons spent in my yard in Texas as a kid. These damn plants of all kinds just kept getting in the way! It seemed like every time I went to cast, I’d either get hung up on the backcast or the forecast. I would set the rod down and free my fly, only to have the same thing happen as soon as I picked up my rod again. I have much to learn! Finally I stepped into the creek with my Teva’s, braving the bone- chilling cold to cast to a great-looking lie about twenty feet upstream. The sun’s reflection prevented me from seeing my fly, but I knew where it should have been. Suddenly, a swirl in that exact spot. My heart leaped — a trout had just inhaled my fly! I raised the rod tip instinctively, just as I realized that the pile of line at my feet was in no way connected to either of my hands. I was caught completely unprepared. This was my only strike that day. By midafternoon the next day I managed to complete my climbing "project" for the weekend, a short little climb that overhangs by about twenty feet and finishes only 30 feet above the ground (Yes, the ways of both climbing and fly fishing may seem strange to those who don’t practice these sports). This left me free to take up the rod again in pursuit of Salmo trutta. I hurriedly rigged my rod and tied on a tan elk hair caddis. Wanting to give myself every possible advantage, I headed for the best pool in the entire canyon. Almost thirty feet across, this pool always holds a good many fish. Usually they can be seen actively feeding on the surface, and this is exactly what they were doing as I arrived. Crouched behind a convenient boulder, I peered over the water and saw a trout right below me. With just a few inches of fly line extending past the end of my rod, I flipped my 9-foot leader in the direction of the trout. One second later…GULP! He casually sucked the caddis off the surface. This time I was ready and soon I had my flopping trout to the water’s edge. I paused a few seconds to admire the trout’s exquisite spots, then watched it shoot back to its home with a few quick flips of its tail. My journey had begun. -bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Couldn’t agree more with this, or the sentiment expressed in that long, previou s post. Having successfully stalked and caught myriad skittish wild rainbows in a tiny gin clear creek did a world of wonders for me psychologically…talk about stress reduction (understatement). And of course, the bug spread like ebola on the loose. I now desperately hope any work related conferences are within a decent time’s drive of some good trout water. Next summer, weather permitting, hope to take more advantage of the gems of the catskills and adirondacks, as well as VT. I’ll keep up with my practising during the year ahead but will misssssssssss those little wild trout. Alex – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Saturday, with my new fly rod in hand, I felt strangely like an adult in the body of a child just learning to walk. I knew where the trout lay, I knew where to cast, I even knew the fundamentals of fly casting from the many afternoons spent in my yard in Texas as a kid. These damn plants of all kinds just kept getting in the way! It seemed like every time I went to cast, I’d either get hung up on the backcast or the forecast. I would set the rod down and free my fly, only to have the same thing happen as soon as I picked up my rod again. I have much to learn! Finally I stepped into the creek with my Teva’s, braving the bone- chilling cold to cast to a great-looking lie about twenty feet upstream. The sun’s reflection prevented me from seeing my fly, but I knew where it should have been. Suddenly, a swirl in that exact spot. My heart leaped — a trout had just inhaled my fly! I raised the rod tip instinctively, just as I realized that the pile of line at my feet was in no way connected to either of my hands. I was caught completely unprepared. This was my only strike that day. I snipped all but this of this wonderful post because it rang true with me. I think half of flyfishing success is learning to negotiate the intricacies of dangling line, leader, and fly in the midst of thousands of prickly little sticks and stems. The general rule I live by is that if it’s possible to get snagged you will get snagged. After a great deal of pain and aggravation you learn to anticipate any remotely possible snagging hazard. Then you find yourself with your fly on the water for the majority of the time, instead of unraveling impossible snags for the majority of the time. As you’ve discovered, markb, there are about a million ways you can screw up when flyfishing. That just makes getting it right so much sweeter.

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I have a flyfishing site on the web. Feel welcome. Turn on your sound if you have it.

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<<I have a flyfishing site on the web. Feel welcome. Turn on your sound if you have it. Uhhhh, I have sound, and I sure can see, but I don’t know how to get there without a url.  <g Dave LaCourse

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs. With angler having daily opportunity of fish in the 8-10 lbs class, and good chances of a shot at larger fish during the week. The area also possesses a wonderful variety of angling opportunities. In one recent weeks, 20 different species of fish were caught, including Tarpon (up to 50 lbs), Permit (one angler recently landed 3 in a week to 40 lbs), Barracuda, Bonito, Shark and many different types of Jack and Snapper. Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet     http://www.gse.it/avalon  

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Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way  to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

— Spare me A.T. 1. Until the end of Communist Russia, the US had state dinners with its leaders as it fought the 3d World, underdeveloped "Commies." 2. One of the reasons I turned against our government during Vietnam was: here’s the enemy–Commies, heathens, Gooks–trying to kill me. So why is President Nixon having dinner with Chou-en-Lai, Mao?!the leaders supplying the VC/NVA. What BS! 3. Let’s see, Tiananmen Square, China, same leaders then as now. So we’re trading with that country. What is this country’s obsession with bringing down Castro when we support more ruthless leaders in the world. 4. Nelson Mandela supports(ed) Communism, we made him a hero during his visit to this country. Enough, this is a fly fishing NG.

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Sometimes I’m embarassed to be an american. As if the US doesn’t support far more oppressive regimes. Also, if you expand your notion of what oppression is, you might see that there is far more in the US. I once spoke to someone that lived under Franco who said that he felt far more free there. He didn’t get all sorts of capitalist goodies but had no fears for his safety, no matter where he went. We are all alone in the world in our view of Cuba. I agree completely that his dictatorship is wrong but can you really say that the Cuban voter is more impotent than the american voter?

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Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet

(snip) http://www.gse.it/avalon Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

Then you don’t buy anything from China, right?  And is it just oppressive COMMUNIST dictators, or is it oppressive dictators in general?   Del Cecchi Rochester, MN

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet (snip) http://www.gse.it/avalon Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer Then you don’t buy anything from China, right?  And is it just oppressive COMMUNIST dictators, or is it oppressive dictators in general? Del Cecchi Rochester, MN

  Thanks Del I always liked people from Minnisota, must be the proximity to God’s country! While this is not really the forum to extend this thread. I was wondering where Mr. Spencer and his buddies Torricelli, Helms and Burton fish now that the pinkos have taken over Nicaragua? I suppose there is always Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico etc. Mark "commie" Brown Calgary, Alberta

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs. Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is? — To respond via EMAIL to a newsgroup post, remove -nospam from my address. – - – - – - This is your brain.  Postscript on brain your is This.

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs.

Snip-snip negative replies removed.. Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is?

OK, so here’s one for ya’. I am one of the persons who actually TRIED to go fishing in Cuba. I sent a letter to the ministry of tourisim in Havana, and got back a nice letter. It was all in spanish, and I had to have it translated. The Cuban Government informed me that I would have to obtain a tourist visa from the Chechoslovakian Embassy in Washington, DC. I would then have to fly from Tampa to Montreal, Canada, where I could catch a flight to Havana. From there, things got worse. Hey, Cuba is a short distance from Florida. Go to Montreal? The headache and expense was enormous, when all was said and done. I canceled the trip. Now, I have little doubt that there is a State Department file somewhere about me asking about the fishing in Cuba. Guess I’ll just keep fishing Florida! Mike Lott Fish Florida Magazine http://www.fishflorida.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way  to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer — Spare me A.T. 1. Until the end of Communist Russia, the US had state dinners with its leaders as it fought the 3d World, underdeveloped "Commies." 2. One of the reasons I turned against our government during Vietnam was: here’s the enemy–Commies, heathens, Gooks–trying to kill me. So why is President Nixon having dinner with Chou-en-Lai, Mao?!the leaders supplying the VC/NVA. What BS! 3. Let’s see, Tiananmen Square, China, same leaders then as now. So we’re trading with that country. What is this country’s obsession with bringing down Castro when we support more ruthless leaders in the world. 4. Nelson Mandela supports(ed) Communism, we made him a hero during his visit to this country. Enough, this is a fly fishing NG.

The "oppressive" regimes the U.S. has supported is almost an endless list. Whatever reasons remain to isolate Cuba are not credible.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is? You seem to have taken a place among the minority on this point. However, as is usually the case, we can ever be thankful that the decision by the majority not to succumb to the illogical demands of an un-knowing minority is obviously the correct one. BTW…To answer your last question I submit everything you said preceding it. Finally, since this is an inappropriate topic for this newsgroup this shall be my final post on it. A.T. Spencer

Actually, several recent opinion polls have shown that a majority of Americans *favors* restablishment of full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Even the Pope, who is as conservative as one can be, favors full normal relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Every other country on the planet has full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Cuba is an appropriate subject for a fishing newsgroup. The island has had a long history as a sportfishing mecca. Avid fishermen who have been there and would like to go back are interested. So are younger fishermen who have read fishing tales from Cuba or perhaps only Hemingway’s novella.

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(snip) Actually, several recent opinion polls have shown that a majority of Americans *favors* restablishment of full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Even the Pope, who is as conservative as one can be, favors full normal relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Every other country on the planet has full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Cuba is an appropriate subject for a fishing newsgroup. The island has had a long history as a sportfishing mecca. Avid fishermen who have been there and would like to go back are interested. So are younger fishermen who have read fishing tales from Cuba or perhaps only Hemingway’s novella.

  A nice posting Harry,

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<< An Orvis bobber. Peter

Indicator’ pretty good Pete. Pete, wait until George sees my new Orvis Zebra line.  He’ll plop that scrawny  ass of his down on a rock and probably will never get up!  <G  I have decided that I *will* show up in full Orvis mufi.  I am having trouble trying to rent an Orvis Jeep, however. Dave PS:  Gladys, get the man a few drams of the old Grouse — he looks pale behind the gills!

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Pete, wait until George sees my new Orvis Zebra line.  He’ll plop that scrawny  ass of his down on a rock and probably will never get up!  <G  I have decided that I *will* show up in full Orvis mufi.  I am having trouble trying to rent an Orvis Jeep, however.

I don’t think they make Orvis Jeeps anymore, but one of their catalogs had some D90’s in it so I should be in good shape<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << An Orvis bobber. Peter Indicator’ pretty good Pete. Pete, wait until George sees my new Orvis Zebra line.  He’ll plop that scrawny  ass of his down on a rock and probably will never get up!  <G  I have decided that I *will* show up in full Orvis mufi.  I am having trouble trying to rent an Orvis Jeep, however. Dave PS:  Gladys, get the man a few drams of the old Grouse — he looks pale behind the gills!

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Hello All; I have been flyfishing the Deschutes for the last couple of years, and am ready to try the ‘Promised Land’ of Montana.  My inlaws just moved to Red Lodge, and we are visiting in a couple of weeks.  I would appreciate any input on water, flys, flyshops and guides around the area. An insight would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Joe Madden

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: Hello All; : I have been flyfishing the Deschutes for the last couple of years, and am : ready to try the ‘Promised Land’ of Montana.  My inlaws just moved to Red : Lodge, and we are visiting in a couple of weeks.  I would appreciate any input : on water, flys, flyshops and guides around the area. To get from Oregon to Montana, all but the most relaxed traveller will pass through Idaho.  I recommend you stop and smell the trout before moving on to the "Promised Land." — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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To get from Oregon to Montana, all but the most relaxed traveller will pass through Idaho.  I recommend you stop and smell the trout before moving on to the "Promised Land."

Surely this was a typo, right? Didn’t this really mean moving on "from" the promised land? :] Alan (already in the PL)

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Rock Creek on the outside of town (toward the mountains) is decent, but I’d go on over the pass and hit the Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone.  Try the canyon off the Chief Joseph Highway.  Tough to get to, but big rainbows in there. Nearly all the lakes on top have brookies.  Some have cuts and ‘bows.   Try the upper lake at Island Lake campground for larger brookies. Fishing was tough this year, mainly due to high water last spring.  I live in Silver Gate in summers and fish inside the park most of the time. It only costs $20 to fish yellowstone (was free three years ago).   Down below, The Rosebud isn’t far from REd Lodge, and the Stillwater is also close.  Stillwater has some excellent spots on loop where river turns away from road.  Lots of fast water.  They should be looking for hoppers this time of year.  If that doesn’t work, try parachute duns and Madame X.

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Good flies?   Try something like a black girdle bug with yellow rubber legs.

I’ve also had good luck with a long shank hook (8-4), white marabou tail ( long) body of gold tinsle chenille, palmer wrapped with dark hackle and very small lead eyes or lead wraps forward… looks like the little minnows that smallies love…. Good Luck / /—– /     Bob Bowes |/         |     Defense Systems Divison |   ^   ^   |     Lockheed Sanders Inc |     &     |     Merrimack NH 03045     _/   /      (603)-885-6779     ___ /

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| I’ll be in West Virginia  from 6/7 through 6/13 and | I’ll have three days an a couple of evenings free to | chase smallmouths.   I’m staying at Pipestem State | Park on the New River. | | I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water | before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be | using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.   | I find I can adapt other techniques to fly fishing | quite nicely.  I’ve had great luck with Bay stripers, | landlocked stripers, black bass, ocean pearch, rock | fish, etc. Chip, I have fished the upper Potomac quite a bit for smallmouth and we’re basically talking about the same conditions here. The most efficient technique I have found for spring and fall is a two-inch floating Rapala on ultralight spinning tackle. Spinners work well, too, but they get hung up alot in shallow water, which is where the active fish are. The Rapala dives when retrieved and lets you effectively fish topwater and down to a couple of feet. While I’m not a big fan of spin fishing, I usually fish from a canoe where fly casting is a little awkward. To fly fish I usually beach the canoe and wade. I also use an ultralight casting outfit, though the Rapala is a little too light for it. Works fine with a junior size sluggo (no weight added) and a Zara Spook. For fly fishing in the evening, try deer hair bass bugs. I use patterns tied on #4 hooks and a 6-weight line/rod combination. You could go heavier, but since river smallmouth in this area tend to be on the small side, the light tackle adds to the fun. If there’s alot of glare on the water and/or the fish aren’t coming to the surface, I use a muddler minnow with a little lead tied into it. If you want to take the quality over quantity approach and stalk the larger fish, bring an 8-weight rod and proportionately larger flies. If you’ve never caught smallmouth in moving water, you’re in for a treat, especially with light tackle. You’ll find alot of fish going airborne once they’re hooked. Good luck. —

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Park on the New River. I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.

Depressions, ledges, side pools – all are good holding and cruising zones.   With flies, I often made long casts and retrieved in any old way, as long as they followed.   Then when they all came running in close, I’d work the fly more carefully, often seeing them dare each other to take the fly, and eventually setting the hook when the big one bit down. Good flies?   Try something like a black girdle bug with yellow rubber legs. Thomas Gilg

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I’ll be in West Virginia  from 6/7 through 6/13 and I’ll have three days an a couple of evenings free to chase smallmouths.   I’m staying at Pipestem State Park on the New River. I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.   I find I can adapt other techniques to fly fishing quite nicely.  I’ve had great luck with Bay stripers, landlocked stripers, black bass, ocean pearch, rock fish, etc.

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