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I was going to just wait for 35 peeps to join, but enrollment is slow, and we all need time to fly, so I say on Thursday it’s the end, and Friday morning I’ll post the final list of who’s in. Sound good?

Sounds great.  Where the heck is RW, Bruiser, Louie, Willi, Bob, Charlie and a few others to name a few????  C’mon boys.

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Bouncer writes: Sounds great.  Where the heck is RW, Bruiser, Louie, Willi, Bob, Charlie and a few others to name a few????  C’mon boys.

I don’t have the time right now, Paul.  Gotta keep the Cannuck happy next week-end, and then Jo and I will be at the East Outlet the next two weeks (Fri – Sun).  I’ll be practicing to tie a new fly, so I’ll get in on the next one. Dave

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Make mine a "Poronui Special". Clark

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Tim, I suggested earlier that you make a web page containing up to date info. You could put it in connection to your web site. The reason being that it’s easy to miss out on a post which might contain essential information about the swap. Not saying that you should stop posting the info, only saying that a web page can be a nice backup. 21 flies finished, heading for 38   =)). — Tight lines! / Roger Ohlund Daytime engineer Lifetime flyfisherman For info on flyfishing in northern Sweden visit http://home.bip.net/angler/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees tried it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

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On the other hand, I’ll do a flash back PT.  I need the practice and the inspiration to tie.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in with a solid TBD fly. I was going to just wait for 35 peeps to join, but enrollment is slow, and we all need time to fly, so I say on Thursday it’s the end, and Friday morning I’ll post the final list of who’s in. Sound good? — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com When is the deadline for signing up, i.e. when will we know the excate number of flues to make ? Im guessing its something like  #flies = #swappers + 4 Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees you tried it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge with bead head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com — Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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I’m in with a solid TBD fly.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was going to just wait for 35 peeps to join, but enrollment is slow, and we all need time to fly, so I say on Thursday it’s the end, and Friday morning I’ll post the final list of who’s in. Sound good? — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com When is the deadline for signing up, i.e. when will we know the excate number of flues to make ? Im guessing its something like  #flies = #swappers + 4 Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees tried it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge bead head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com — Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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I was going to just wait for 35 peeps to join, but enrollment is slow, and we all need time to fly, so I say on Thursday it’s the end, and Friday morning I’ll post the final list of who’s in. Sound good? — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When is the deadline for signing up, i.e. when will we know the excate number of flues to make ? Im guessing its something like  #flies = #swappers + 4 Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees tried it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge bead head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com — Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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p.s.  Much to my surprise, no one has yet committed to that most indispensable of all nymphs, the plain vanilla GRHE.  I guess that’s me then. Wolfgang

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Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet……

Not a math major myself, but by my count we stand at fifteen or so tyers….three extra bugs per participant puts the grand total at 18 copies per.  I can do that by 11-11. Run this gig any way you like, but if you want more participants I suspect that a more liberal time limit might be the ticket.      :) Wolfgang

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Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet.

What a coincidence. Just strolled in after some time off, and a flyswap (is a nymph a fly? <g) kicks off. Great, I could do with some tying excercise. I’m in, don’t know what pattern yet. Herman

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When is the deadline for signing up, i.e. when will we know the excate number of flues to make ? Im guessing its something like  #flies = #swappers + 4 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

– Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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Hey Guys, Again, flies due november 11th. Tie one for every tyer, including yourself. One for Dave and da’ kids and if willing, 2 extra’s to make clave prizes . Sound good. Any questions just send me a note. Here’s the updated list of who’s in and what they are tying. Not even close to 30 peeps yet. Flyswapees it!) Wolfgang Joe F Rocktrout(aka Bouncer)—— Mountain Midge head Frank Church Clark Reid Lou Teletski Hans Van der stroom—Ritz D — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

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"LAST GAS BEFORE YOSEMITE.  NO GAS IN YOSEMITE VALLEY!"  Their regular unleaded was $2.309.  Both statements were absolutely true – they were the last station before the Yosemite West entrance and there is no gas in Yosemite Valley.   What they

didn’t mention was that about 10 miles inside of the gate, at Crane Flats, there is a gas station selling unleaded regular for $2.019. This reminds me of something I learned the hard way….. on I-95 heading north in Florida there’s a billboard…. LAST CHANCE TO BUY GAS IN FLORIDA… Oh, I think to myself… better buy now. So I did. Then I crossed into Georgia and gas is much much cheaper…. oops. Hunter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "LAST GAS BEFORE YOSEMITE.  NO GAS IN YOSEMITE VALLEY!"  Their regular unleaded was $2.309.  Both statements were absolutely true – they were the last station before the Yosemite West entrance and there is no gas in Yosemite Valley.   What they didn’t mention was that about 10 miles inside of the gate, at Crane Flats, there is a gas station selling unleaded regular for $2.019. This reminds me of something I learned the hard way….. on I-95 heading north in Florida there’s a billboard…. LAST CHANCE TO BUY GAS IN FLORIDA… Oh, I think to myself… better buy now. So I did. Then I crossed into Georgia and gas is much much cheaper…. oops. Hunter

You forgot the "<g", right? Tell me you forgot the "<g". — bill Theory don’t mean squat if it don’t work.

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You forgot the "<g", right? Tell me you forgot the "<g".

Nope, It was my first visit driving to Florida….. and driving back out of Florida.  I wasn’t pulling the trailer, I was in my 1996 Suburban.  I didn’t know about the price difference, I hadn’t bought gas in GA on the way down. /-: I thought it was funny that they had that LAST CHANCE TO BUY GAS IN FLORIDA sign….. it cost me, but it was funny. Hunter

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You forgot the "<g", right? Tell me you forgot the "<g". Nope, It was my first visit driving to Florida….. and driving back out of Florida.  I wasn’t pulling the trailer, I was in my 1996 Suburban.  I didn’t know about the price difference, I hadn’t bought gas in GA on the way down. /-: I thought it was funny that they had that LAST CHANCE TO BUY GAS IN FLORIDA sign….. it cost me, but it was funny. Hunter

I have successfully restrained myself from commenting further. — bill Theory don’t mean squat if it don’t work.

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FWIW, we drove through portions of NC, VA, WV, MD, PA, NY, CT, MA, and VT. (We didn’t hit NJ, RI, NH, or ME.) The highest prices we saw were in CT and NY.

I probably should have posted a link in my previous message. Here it is: http://www.taxfoundation.org/variousrates.html — Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net

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FWIW, we drove through portions of NC, VA, WV, MD, PA, NY, CT, MA, and VT. (We didn’t hit NJ, RI, NH, or ME.) The highest prices we saw were in CT and NY. I probably should have posted a link in my previous message. Here it is: http://www.taxfoundation.org/variousrates.html

        I assure you those tax rates are *way* wrong- heck, we have a $.05/gallon *county* tax. The table at http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/gasol… (which is from a little more than a year ago) give the Florida state gas tax as $.136/gallon-($.259 for diesel)  with a footnote that various other taxes add an average of $.123/gallon.         That said- Florida has no income tax, so gas taxes are, IMHO, the best way to charge the user for the service. — Chris Bryant Bryant RV Services- http://www.bryantrv.com

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I saw a clever gimmick when we were in California in July.  We were staying just outside of the west entrance to Yosemite and there was a gas station there with a big sign – "LAST GAS BEFORE YOSEMITE.  NO GAS IN YOSEMITE VALLEY!"  Their regular unleaded was $2.309.  Both statements were absolutely true – they were the last station before the Yosemite West entrance and there is no gas in Yosemite Valley.   What they didn’t mention was that about 10 miles inside of the gate, at Crane Flats, there is a gas station selling unleaded regular for $2.019.On the other side, at Wawone, there is also a station selling for the same price – just nothing in the valley.

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Last year when prices took a big jump some here posted that they were going to have to cancel their vacations.  I remember pointing out that for the trip they planned the extra cost would be less than $20.  All they would have to do is pass up one of the T-Shirt counters.

Well, that works for folks who routinely hit the T-shirt counters. But what about those of us who already pass them up? Does this mean we can no longer afford to travel? <g WalMart might figure they can charge $10 a night for parking!

Can’t do it. If they did, they’d be in the campground business, which is not what their zoning and business licenses would permit (I’d bet). And the local campground owners would then have a legitimate complaint. Wal-Mart can give it away, but they can’t charge for it… GB in NC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last year when prices took a big jump some here posted that they were going to have to cancel their vacations.  I remember pointing out that for the trip they planned the extra cost would be less than $20.  All they would have to do is pass up one of the T-Shirt counters. Well, that works for folks who routinely hit the T-shirt counters. But what about those of us who already pass them up? Does this mean we can no longer afford to travel? <g WalMart might figure they can charge $10 a night for parking! Can’t do it. If they did, they’d be in the campground business, which is not what their zoning and business licenses would permit (I’d bet). And the local campground owners would then have a legitimate complaint. Wal-Mart can give it away, but they can’t charge for it… GB in NC

I’m sure most people do the same as we do.  If traveling gas is higher than expected, we just cut back in other areas, usually dining out.  Too bad for the restaurants but we allot a certain amount for traveling and we would rather cut back on dining out than miss some side trip.  We’ll remember the scenery long after we would have forgotten the meal. LZ

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last year when prices took a big jump some here posted that they were going to have to cancel their vacations.  I remember pointing out that for the trip they planned the extra cost would be less than $20.  All they would have to do is pass up one of the T-Shirt counters. Well, that works for folks who routinely hit the T-shirt counters. But what about those of us who already pass them up? Does this mean we can no longer afford to travel? <g WalMart might figure they can charge $10 a night for parking! Can’t do it. If they did, they’d be in the campground business, which is not what their zoning and business licenses would permit (I’d bet). And the local campground owners would then have a legitimate complaint. Wal-Mart can give it away, but they can’t charge for it… GB in NC

Wail, down here WM’s gone into the used car business – put up a building in the parking lot for a sales office, roped off a couple of lanes, and installed a heavy-duty turntable. Of course, if the CGs in the area are getting $10 for full hookups, WM might only charge $3 for dry camping and $7 for full … (c8

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took a day trip up to the Detroit Lakes area of Minnesota yesterday to spend a day fishing with two of the kids and their families. They have a cabin rented for a week but we had some appointments so didn’t want to take the motorhome up for just a day or two. Gas prices vary quite a bit in only 50-60 miles.  The entire Detroit Lakes area has gas at 1.33 which is not bad for Labor Day weekend.  As you get closer to the Koch refinery at St. Paul, the price goes up instead of down.  Half way there you are up to 1.50 a gallon. You will never convince me that local cabals don’t huddle and set gas prices.  That hogwash about transportation costs just doesn’t fly.  If that were true, the gas stations near refineries would have half price gas. LZ Gas prices are set by one criteria: "What the market can bear."  I see this all the time where I live. The places closest to me always have matching prices which are some of the highest in the area. Price drop by as much as ten cents/gal on down the road, and can vary more greatly between the stations. I almost never fill up locally because of that. Yep, and everything else we buy.  How come we don’t get big posts about what hamburger, milk and other stuff costs all over the country?  I would guess one reason is because the stores don’t post their prices on big billboards outside the supermarkets.

Nope.  It’s because there are alternatives and therefore competition. If beef is high, you buy pork or chicken and soon beef comes down.  If you need gas to go to work, you jolly well pay the price.  I appreciate those who stop traveling when gas prices go up, as it takes the pressure off those who still want to travel. The part about what the market can bear is only partly true where food is concerned.  Many foods are seasonal in nature, so you eat your fill when they are cheap and pass them by when they are expensive.  Freezers allow you to take advantage of sales and stockpile food but it is not easy to stockpile gasoline and still have it with you on the road.   It’s true our gas is cheap compared to most other countries but we don’t tax gasoline to pay a good share of our social welfare costs as these countries do. LZ

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How come we don’t get big posts about what hamburger, milk and other stuff costs all over the country?  I would guess one reason is because the stores don’t post their prices on big billboards outside the supermarkets.

True, they don’t. But gas stations need to post only four prices to cover just about everybody. Anyway, to answer your question, assuming you were serious (and maybe you weren’t): RVers are probably more aware of fuel prices than food prices, because we have lifestyles that can be directly affected by fuel prices (over which we really have no control) — and while everybody has to eat, on the road and at home, there are food choices to suit every budget and taste. GB in NC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How come we don’t get big posts about what hamburger, milk and other stuff costs all over the country?  I would guess one reason is because the stores don’t post their prices on big billboards outside the supermarkets. True, they don’t. But gas stations need to post only four prices to cover just about everybody. Anyway, to answer your question, assuming you were serious (and maybe you weren’t): RVers are probably more aware of fuel prices than food prices, because we have lifestyles that can be directly affected by fuel prices (over which we really have no control) — and while everybody has to eat, on the road and at home, there are food choices to suit every budget and taste. GB in NC

Yeah, I do the same thing.  I buy where I get the best price.  Always have.  And it is not just RVers that complain about the prices.  I used to commute 35 miles to work.  Fuel price was pretty important to me then too.  But when you get down to it the extra cost for gasoline is not as much as one might expect.  Of course it depends on how much travel you do.  Assuming 20K miles per year and if you get 10 MPG = 2000 gallons. If you pay as much as 20 cents extra that is $400 a year.  A little over a dollar a day.   10K miles per year would probably be more reasonable = $200 a year extra.   Last year when prices took a big jump some here posted that they were going to have to cancel their vacations.  I remember pointing out that for the trip they planned the extra cost would be less than $20.  All they would have to do is pass up one of the T-Shirt counters. But as with any commodity you charge what you can get.  The like the hotels the RV parks would charge $100 a night if they thought they could get the customers.  Watch out!!  WalMart might figure they can charge $10 a night for parking!  I guess they figure the goodwill is worth that much.

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   I assure you those tax rates are *way* wrong- heck, we have a $.05/gallon *county* tax.

I see that, and that some counties are over 10 cents. It is clear that Florida is grossly represented in the table I pointed to, but many other states are right on or very close. It is probably impossible to compile a simple table that takes everything into account, since some states tax only on dollar amount (fuel-specific, not referring to the general sales taxes), and many add sales tax, including tax on the other taxes. The net effect, though, is that with only a couple of exceptions, most states have "final" rates in the 15-30 cent range, with the point being that it does not come close to explaining the 70-80 cent range typically found around the country. — Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net

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You will never convince me that local cabals don’t huddle and set gas prices. I believe you.  That is, I believe you’ll never be convinced to anything about which you’ve made up yer mind.  It is, of course, foolhardy to believe there are NO "local cabals", but what some folks perceive as conspiracy is more often snooping around to see what the market will bear. Not illegal OR immoral. Will KD3XR

In that case I need to hang a big sign on the side of a truck and park it near the freeway.  I could let people know that gas is 15 cents per gallon cheaper not too many miles down the road. Wonder how they would like THOSE apples?  Think gas prices would come down?  I bet they would. LZ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took a day trip up to the Detroit Lakes area of Minnesota yesterday to spend a day fishing with two of the kids and their families. They have a cabin rented for a week but we had some appointments so didn’t want to take the motorhome up for just a day or two. Gas prices vary quite a bit in only 50-60 miles.  The entire Detroit Lakes area has gas at 1.33 which is not bad for Labor Day weekend.  As you get closer to the Koch refinery at St. Paul, the price goes up instead of down.  Half way there you are up to 1.50 a gallon. You will never convince me that local cabals don’t huddle and set gas prices.  That hogwash about transportation costs just doesn’t fly.  If that were true, the gas stations near refineries would have half price gas. LZ Gas prices are set by one criteria: "What the market can bear."  I see this all the time where I live. The places closest to me always have matching prices which are some of the highest in the area. Price drop by as much as ten cents/gal on down the road, and can vary more greatly between the stations. I almost never fill up locally because of that.

Yep, and everything else we buy.  How come we don’t get big posts about what hamburger, milk and other stuff costs all over the country?  I would guess one reason is because the stores don’t post their prices on big billboards outside the supermarkets.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took a day trip up to the Detroit Lakes area of Minnesota yesterday to spend a day fishing with two of the kids and their families. They have a cabin rented for a week but we had some appointments so didn’t want to take the motorhome up for just a day or two. Gas prices vary quite a bit in only 50-60 miles.  The entire Detroit Lakes area has gas at 1.33 which is not bad for Labor Day weekend.  As you get closer to the Koch refinery at St. Paul, the price goes up instead of down.  Half way there you are up to 1.50 a gallon. You will never convince me that local cabals don’t huddle and set gas prices.  That hogwash about transportation costs just doesn’t fly.  If that were true, the gas stations near refineries would have half price gas. LZ You might check on variance in local taxes. Some Metro areas include extra taxes for mass transit or anything the govmint decides.

Not applicable in this case.  I don’t know where Detroit Lakes is, but seem to remember lots of Indian Reservations in Manysoda.

The White Earth reservation is not far north of there but I doubt that is the reason.  Last week I took the same roads and bought gas for $1.30 only 45 miles up the road, at least a hundred miles from the nearest res.  We have one in East Texas selling gas with no taxes, so much cheaper.

We travel through many Indian reservations and I have never seen a significant difference.  A few cents at most. LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – MTV — "MTV" Reply needs modification to work, or in Outlook Express send New Norton AV for any virus.

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Prices over here vary by state, largely due to variations in the state gas taxes. That is commonly mentioned, but hard to work out in reality.

Okay, I bow to your greater wisdom. I haven’t bothered to check tax rates — I just watch the prices as I drive. You saw a variation of 26 cents per gallon. As of December 31, 2001, only two states had rates less than 4 cents per gallon, Florida and Alaska, neither on your route. North Carolina was 24.3 cents, and Vermont was 19 cent.

That’s interesting. Gas at stations throughout VT was a nickel to a dime more than at comparable stations that I know about in NC. And while of course I didn’t encounter GA or FL on this trip, GA always has *far* lower prices than FL. I would have assumed the tax to be lower in GA. (I know — that’s what I get for assuming.) I don’t know your route, but the highest I can find in states you might have passed through was Rhode Island at 28 cents (highest state of all). Connecticut was 25 cents per gallon. At the other end, the lowest would be New Jersey at 10.5 cents.

FWIW, we drove through portions of NC, VA, WV, MD, PA, NY, CT, MA, and VT. (We didn’t hit NJ, RI, NH, or ME.) The highest prices we saw were in CT and NY. We paid the most in CT and MA and the least in VA — but of course we didn’t buy gas in every state. We have a range of "up to" <g 500 miles, but I usually refuel at between 250 and 400. GB in NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took a day trip up to the Detroit Lakes area of Minnesota yesterday to spend a day fishing with two of the kids and their families. They have a cabin rented for a week but we had some appointments so didn’t want to take the motorhome up for just a day or two. Gas prices vary quite a bit in only 50-60 miles.  The entire Detroit Lakes area has gas at 1.33 which is not bad for Labor Day weekend.  As you get closer to the Koch refinery at St. Paul, the price goes up instead of down.  Half way there you are up to 1.50 a gallon. You will never convince me that local cabals don’t huddle and set gas prices.  That hogwash about transportation costs just doesn’t fly.  If that were true, the gas stations near refineries would have half price gas. LZ

Gas prices are set by one criteria: "What the market can bear."  I see this all the time where I live. The places closest to me always have matching prices which are some of the highest in the area. Price drop by as much as ten cents/gal on down the road, and can vary more greatly between the stations. I almost never fill up locally because of that.

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We drove 2600+ miles in nine days and averaged 15+ mpg — using mostly secondary roads and driving more slowly than usual. We paid anywhere from $1.199 to $1.459. (Prices over here vary by state, largely due to variations in the state gas taxes.)

That is commonly mentioned, but hard to work out in reality. You saw a variation of 26 cents per gallon. As of December 31, 2001, only two states had rates less than 4 cents per gallon, Florida and Alaska, neither on your route. North Carolina was 24.3 cents, and Vermont was 19 cent. I don’t know your route, but the highest I can find in states you might have passed through was Rhode Island at 28 cents (highest state of all). Connecticut was 25 cents per gallon. At the other end, the lowest would be New Jersey at 10.5 cents. Out here where I am in California, the state gas tax is 18 cents. Prices locally vary between 1.839 and 1.859, down about 4 cents over the past 3 months. Reason given is the cost of barging it into Humboldt Bay is high. There are only two distributors (regardless of the brand of station you go to, you will find the same plain silver tankers filling them up). The argument falls apart, though, when you visit smaller communities 50 miles away serviced by the same tankers filled from the same barges, and the price will be lower. Presumably, as Will says, the demand/supply ratio is higher here in the population centers around the bay, so we pay more because they can get more. — Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net

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Hi from a newbie,

Hi, Andy, and welcome. $1.50 a gallon, makes me wish I lived in America, prices over here in UK are

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix???? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network. Thanks

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix???? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network.

This isn’t a "web" site – it’s a Usenet group. When you subscribe to an internet service provider they will let you know where to point your news reader application to find their (and hence your) news server. Once you’ve gotten that information you should be able to find rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and add it to your list of subscribed groups. The alternative is to use one of the web-based usenet services, which grab usenet posts and archive them so you can access them via a browser. Slower and usually more cumbersome than the more direct approach, but this is a popular solution with AOL users (who are otherwise stuck with an atrocious usenet service)… Cheers. /daytripper

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When you subscribe to an internet service provider they will let you know where to point your news reader…

heh heh, I *knew* someone was gonna say that The alternative is to use one of the web-based usenet services, which grab usenet posts and archive them so you can access them via a browser. Slower and usually more cumbersome than the more direct approach, but this is a popular solution with AOL users (who are otherwise stuck with an atrocious usenet service)…

Doesn’t everyone use www.deja.com or other for searching archives? Regards, Jeff

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network. Thanks

Let me first say congratulations in deciding to get rid of web-tv. Secondly, you can read and post on this and other news groups at www.deja.com.  It is a free web-based news service.  One of the best parts of www.deja.com is the search options.  You can search old posts or even other posters.  It becomes very handy ammunition when you’re in an argument with someone.  It’s been used against me several times. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I think 2001 is the year for The Mountain Home 2001 Fly Fishing Conclave.  Even us Western Boys will show up for that one.  Consider me the first to sign up.   — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/

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I think 2001 is the year for The Mountain Home 2001 Fly Fishing Conclave.  Even us Western Boys will show up for that one.  Consider me the first to sign up.

Sorry George: You can have those artificial stocked browns, albeit BIG stocked browns…I’ll stay in Mo and fish for some big assed rainbows related to those california monsters which are bred and raised in the river. Wayne

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Great idea rw, except think of the following scene; – Attractive divorcee in slinky outfit with a cocktail at the Captain Cook Hotel to young rich good looking FF guy; – " Hey, it’s the last night of our trip and we got on so well together, I thought we could have dinner and get to know each other a little better". -Rich good looking FF guy; – "Gee, I’d sure like to do that, but maybe some othertime, leave your home number for me at reception, I’ve got to respool my Abel and get some flies ready, you know it’s high tide in 30 minutes – my last chance to get a really *big* bone!"

Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw writes: If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

Tap or ballet?  <g Dave L.

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Have you mentioned to her the Ennis Montana destination.  Say around July 21st to the 31st? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I advised her to book vacations at elite destination fishing resorts in Alaska, the Carribean, Christmas Island, Chile, and so on. I assured her that she’d have men (single and otherwise) falling all over her, <snip

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… If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

One of the world’s foremost experts in this field, our own Indian Joe, recommends the produce section of the grocery store as the best place to meet women. — Ken Fortenberry

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<snipped some … Hey, by the end of our conversation I had her interested in bonefish!

and i thought vern had the january "asadi award" wrapped up… jeff

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Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad.

Hmmmm… Y’know I love this sport and all but that’s would not be too difficult a choice (panting). The fish will always be there but when her particular tide turns then it may never come back… I don’t thinks there’s a one here who would argue that fact… "MEN will do ANYTHING for sex (well withing reason)." I got that from a comedy routine… I dunno the actual commedian… — Michael Era

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Hey *hugs* How is everything going? Adri

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Hey

hey yourself!, I was beginning to wonder where you went to. *hugs*

{{{adri}}} How is everything going?

up, down, down, down, up a little, eh….etc, etc, etc. the baby is gonna kick through my ribcage he’s so active in there. the gestational diabetes seems to be under control. and i’m hanging in there. take care of yourself, dear adri mair+1boy

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you are beautiful thank you, mb. mair, semi-here

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Oh where oh where has our little Mair gone oh where oh where could she be? I miss her, I love her I want her back home in ASD with us so happily…… Mary Beth, ok, I know it’s corny but I’m trying….

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: Oh where oh where has our little Mair gone : oh where oh where could she be? : I miss her, I love her I want her back home : in ASD with us so happily…… : : Mary Beth, : ok, I know it’s corny but I’m trying…. Could be worse: Mair, get yer ass back here.                 Wordsworthless

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h, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? :right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* I was being polite and didn’t want to hurt your feelings by not laughing at your jokes ‘poor love’. :you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i :hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   Hahahaha I forgot about that – oops! : I wonder if Tiger is still awake? Bog Off!!!! – my rib still hurts because of you. : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’

:gracias, senior obi-juan. I’m not Juan but my friend is (((seriously derranged loon)))

:be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! I am nice, I gods gift to nice, I’m nice concentrated, I’m nice incarnate. Anyway what the hell is a x3%^&$#% when it’s at home? : oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D Anyone ever tell you you’re a filbert? : {{quentincrispwannabe}} Ooo look at the dust in here! :mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane Yeah – right – pish!!!!! hahahahahahahahah Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits :Me? Deranged???? nevah! Er….excuse me but who was it that phoned me at 1.30 in the morning just to call me Kipper? Who was it who went on about the ‘Feta Magazine’ with August’s center spread being a slice of Belgium feta recumbent on a plate drizzled with olive oil? Who was it doing a wonderful impression of their future-born being born with a Dick Van Dyke come bad cockney accent? Was it me? Noooooooo.

oh, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   : btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk You say the sweetest things <blush!

I wonder if Tiger is still awake? : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’

gracias, senior obi-juan. : {{{kipper}}} (((seriously derranged loon)))

be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D {{quentincrispwannabe}} mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits Hahahahahaha Michael

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits

Me? Deranged???? nevah! btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk Obi-Juan, help me!   {{{kipper}}} mair+1boy

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits

:Me? Deranged???? nevah! Er….excuse me but who was it that phoned me at 1.30 in the morning just to call me Kipper? Who was it who went on about the ‘Feta Magazine’ with August’s center spread being a slice of Belgium feta recumbent on a plate drizzled with olive oil? Who was it doing a wonderful impression of their future-born being born with a Dick Van Dyke come bad cockney accent? Was it me? Noooooooo. : btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk You say the sweetest things <blush! : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’ : {{{kipper}}} (((seriously derranged loon))) : mair+1boy Michael+hernia

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h, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? :right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* I was being polite and didn’t want to hurt your feelings by not laughing at your jokes ‘poor love’.

ppppbbbbbbttttttt! excuse me, I’ve got to put my wellingtons on it’s getting so deep in here. :you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i :hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   Hahahaha I forgot about that – oops!

no wonder barney eats turkey!  at least you keep him supplied with hedgies (or are you chewing those up too?) : I wonder if Tiger is still awake? Bog Off!!!! – my rib still hurts because of you.

Kipper, would you like to go fishing with me today? : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’ :gracias, senior obi-juan. I’m not Juan but my friend is

and you say *i’m* deranged?  pot..kettle…black! (((seriously derranged loon))) :be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! I am nice, I gods gift to nice, I’m nice concentrated, I’m nice incarnate. Anyway what the hell is a x3%^&$#% when it’s at home?

nice concentrate!  Just add 2 quarts of water for a delicious, refreshing breakfast beverage that all the astronauts on mir will be drinking instead of tang! : oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D Anyone ever tell you you’re a filbert?

nuh uhn.  i’m a pistachio. : {{quentincrispwannabe}} Ooo look at the dust in here!

roflmao. :mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane Yeah – right – pish!!!!! hahahahahahahahah

sniff, sniff. picking on a poor defenseless pregnant woman.  for shame.  why oi oughtta tweek yoir nose. Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

smooches, kipper.  :) mair+1boy, out of feta

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:excuse me, I’ve got to put my wellingtons on it’s getting so deep in :here. For one moment I thought you were gonna go public on the George Michael joke I told you. Moo!! :Kipper, would you like to go fishing with me today? Kipper’s gonna fly across to the US to poke a certain young woman in the eye with a plastic daffodil in a minute : sniff, sniff. picking on a poor defenseless pregnant woman.  for : shame.  why oi oughtta tweek yoir nose. Hahahahahahaha you idiot Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

: smooches, kipper.  :) You shouldn’t smooch kippers, you’ll get a fishy breath. :mair+1boy, out of feta Michael + Stomach, out of stretch.

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My current job allows me to travel just about anywhere on weekends.  So, I like to fly to Montana and go fly fishing.  The problem is not too many of my friends can join me.  So, I was wondering if there are people in Montana (Butte, Bozeman, Missoula areas) that would mind me joining them fly fishing on some weekends. Please E-mail me if your interested thanks John

Hi John This is always a possibility depending on weekend, work, etc. Stay in touch and we’ll see what happens. By the way, we have lots of snow pack this year so will probably have run-off well into the season. We had less snow last year and the Yellowstone did not really start fishing until the first of August. Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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My current job allows me to travel just about anywhere on weekends.  So, I like to fly to Montana and go fly fishing.  The problem is not too many of my friends can join me.  So, I was wondering if there are people in Montana (Butte, Bozeman, Missoula areas) that would mind me joining them fly fishing on some weekends. Please E-mail me if your interested thanks John

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     I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.        If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.        What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch more than they did.      I appreciate all the help.  Steve All replies will be held in the strictest of confidence.

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:      I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot : fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and : 6 ft. leader technique.   I can but choose not to most of the time. :      If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I : have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you : like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret. No shame in that. I do it quite often when fishing a lake from the shore. It enables me to cast much further out into the lake than with a fly rod when using dry flies or small artificials. :      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? : It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does : this spook the fish? Suit yourself. I generally leave them half full so I can see them. :      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what : on retrieve speed.   Depends on the lure. With a dry fly I just give it a twitch every once in a while. With a spinner I keep it going fast enough for the blades to spin. :      What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. : Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become : waterlogged and sink? Gotta match them to the local conditions. There is no right or wrong answer. :      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly : to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do : I let them sink? It depends but the Castabubble is all you really need. It’ll take a sudden move just before you feel the strike :      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly : down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they : have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch : more than they did. It takes patience and practice. I generally use a fly rod for streams and a Spinning rod for lakes. Other times I take whats easiest to toss in the pickup and head out. BiNM

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    I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.       If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.

Secret practice?  I’ve probably been using this technique for 15 years though I now do all my flyfishing with a flyrod.     Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it?

Depends on the fly you’re using.  If you’re fishing a dry or wet (grey hackle peacocks are killer with this technique) fill the bubble half to 3/4 full.  You can still chuck it a long way.  If the fish aren’t hitting the surface put on a nymph, streamer, or emerger and fill the bubble up completely.  I used to use the kind of bubbles with just a plastic sleeve in the middle.  I’d run the line through and tie it to a small swivel and then my leader to that.  When the bubble is full it has pretty much a neutral bouyancy and the addition of the swivel and optionally a small split shot will slowely sink it.  Cast it out and use a count down technique before starting your retrieve until you find what depth the fish are.  You can also replace the nymph is a 1-1.5" piece of night crawler and fish it the same way. It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?

I don’t think so.  I’ve had some high Sierra brookies hit the bubble on occasion.     Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.  

S-l-o-w, when you’re fishing a fly on the surface or just below it, short jerks for nymphs or streamers.     What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?     Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?

See above.  The type of fly, whether to use floatant, and the depth are all dependant upon where the fish are feeding.  Rather then use a strike indicator a couple of dots of flourescant paint on the bubble would serve the same purpose, though I’ve never needed to do that. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I’d like to buy a copy of J.T. Grey’s Handbook for the Margaree (Yardley, Pa. 1977) and would be glad of a steer in the right direction. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I’d like to buy a copy of J.T. Grey’s Handbook for the Margaree (Yardley, Pa. 1977) and would be glad of a steer in the right direction. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

Hi Donald, The 3rd edition (1987) is available from the Margaree Salmon Museum at N.E.Margaree Nova Scotia. If you need the PO Code let me know. Dennis Grant Atlantic Fly Fishing School

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia. What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost? Thanks again.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

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What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost?

   You have several choices for smallmouth/bluegill flyfishing…not as much for trout (you’d have to drive farther from I-81 for trout).    Both the James River and the Maury River, which I-81 crosses in the vicinity of Lexington & Buena Vista, offer good smallmouth fishing.    My best recommendation, though, is to go ahead and do the longer drive up past Harrisonburg, then stop and fish the South Fork of the Shenandoah.  The Shenandoah offers great smallmouth fishing!  One of my favorite spots is at a bridge crossing a few miles downstream (north) of where Rt. 211 crosses the South Fork on its way to Luray.  You can fish here, then take Rt. 340 north to Front Royal (about 25 miles) where you pick up I-66 East to D.C.    The spot I mention is at the Rt. 643 bridge (or 6-forty-something)…there’s a Virginia Game Commission public boat landing.  You can park and wade upstream where there are some rubble/cobble dams.  I fished there just two weeks ago and caught close to 20 smallmouth in about 90 minutes!    This suggestion basically takes no time off the trip other than what you spend fishing.      —Scott

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   If you fish in a trout stream that is not catch and release, the license is close to $70.00 for out of state !!!   The James river around natural bridge area or Buchanan is good smallmouth fishing.  I think it is easier to fish with a canoe or small boat but it is possible to wade it alot of places if water is not high from run off. (would not be very fly fishable if muddy anyway).  During the week the folks at James River recreation area (a commercial camp ground) were kind enough to let me park my truck there and it is quite wadeable right around the cap ground.  The camp ground is advertised along rt 81.  I launched by boat there and went up stream the fishing was quite good. It is marginally boatable there lots of rocks and stuff.    I have not fished the Maury but it is much smaller and probably more appropriate for wade fishing.  I talk to one local gentleman who liked the Maury better than the James.  Good luck.                                     regards  leo

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia.

What Pent1 and PWS said about this may be fine, and no doubt the fishing they descibed may be great. But for my buck. I’d haul butt from Ashville all the way to I-66 and Front Royal, Va. Hit Front Royal and get to the K-mart and buy a license and then head back west on Rt. 55 west to Patterson Creek and Elizabeth Furnace park and camping area. Patterson Creek has some challanging fishing and is very accessable and very pretty. And after you have spent as much time there as you want, you are only 2 hrs from D.C.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

Just 90 minutes from D.C. is the small town of Edinburg 1 mile east of  exit 71.  Go into town, turn left at Main street, then begin looking on the right side of the road for Murray’s Fly Shop.  He’s got maps, advice, and plenty of knowledge abou t the trout AND — if you want to catch some real fish — Smallmouth Bass  fishing in the immediate area.  Harry Murray is the author of at least 2 books about fishing in the area.  His book on smallmouth fishing is excellent!  Phone # is 703-984-4212. Jim IwishIwasfishing Stewart.

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