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Hi Gene, I have fished several lakes and streams in that area for I have many relatives that live within a few miles from Bend.  I would reccomend the Upper Dechutes River if you like small creek fishing.  I know of a few very nice places that wouldnt be on maps and if youre interested let me know I can forward details . RW Oregon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

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I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

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I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

Lots of opportunities in the Bend area – almost too numerous to list.   It would help if you would indicate whether you prefer mountain streams for their scenic surroundings or semi-desert streams for their larger fish, also if you are interested in pursuing steelhead – which will be spread through the middle & lower Deschutes at that time. Partial list: Upper Deschutes – Scenic moderately difficult fishing for small to medium sized fish – Numerous USFS Campgrounds Middle Deschutes – semi desert good sized trout & Steelhead , BLM mouth, nice Wash. State  campgrnd across Columbia abt 3 mi fm Deschutes. Crooked River – Semi- desert, good fishing for medium sized trout, not familiar with campground situation but sure there are several. Metolious – scenic to semi-desert depending on reach, tough technical fishing for medium to very large trout,  "       "       "       " Fall River – Very scenic, good fishing for small to medium sized trout, "       "       "       " There are also many mountain lakes that can be driven to and camped by that have good fishing. Out-of-state season license  - $48.50    Steelhead tag  -  $16.50 1-Day License  - $8.00   2-Day License  -  $14.50    3-Day License  - $21.00    4-Day License –  $27.50   7-Day License  $34.75 The steelhead tag is included in all daily licenses. Bob Weinberger

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I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat.  I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  

Yup.  I use it mostly on small lakes, and fairly sheltered bays on big lakes, in calm weather.  When I take it out on open water on a large lake, I keep a weather eye out, and beat it back to land if it starts to blow even a little bit.   The next boat I buy will probably be about 17-18 feet V-hull with a 40-50 hp motor, which will give us a little more elbow room when the whole family is out, and will let us stay out longer when the wind blows (which, of course, is when the fishing is best.) Or I could go smaller, and buy a couple of canoes.  The kids are at that age when they can’t really contribute much to paddling yet, but we can’t squeeze all four of us into one canoe anymore.  Maybe in a couple of years… Kevin (Oh, who the hell am I kidding?  I’ll be getting the big boat AND the canoes eventually…)

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Hi Chris, I actually just love boats. Your 26′ Almar is extremely sexy. Catching Sea Runs sounds like fun too. Thanks for the fun info. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene 26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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Hi Joe, What is a South Fork skiff?  I am curious. Milton is better now sense they dredged it out some years back. Montana sounds pretty cool. How did you pull that off? Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi Larry, I might have to try that maple leaf deal. Sounds good. Bill Kiene

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Hi David, Wooden boats are beautiful. Thanks Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

I use a Wilderness Systems ‘Ride’ SOT kayak for river and inshore saltwater fly fishing. I have a couple of Scotty fly rod holders mounted to the rear of the seat on both sides and use a float tube anchor off the bow rigged with a couple of eyelets to guide the line and a jam cleat to hold it. Works great. — Charlie…

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I have a 12 ft. Oldtown canoe. It weighs all of 34 pounds. The only special equipment I use is a modified over the shoulder bag that I can clip onto the center thwart and a bow placed pulley for an anchor rope. I can place my rod in the canoe while I carry it into ponds or rivers. It is stable enough for anything short of white water. I have been known to stand in it under extremely calm conditions, but I wouldn’t recommend it. -RTW What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

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"Bill Kiene" asked What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Bill, I use a 10ft Livingston fiberglass boat with only one add’l piece of equipment.  I have added some high back seats for the aging back.  It is a bit too heavy, these days, to haul around as a car top (can only use it as a two person boat, but 20 years ago, I launched it by myself).  I have had it for over 20 years+ and it shows all its age.  However, if I were to go out and buy a single person, non-pontoon, non-float tube, I might consider this: http://www.tribalance.com/ Chris Fanning

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′.

I always tell people that, contrary to what your local boat dealer will try to tell you, the smallest boat that will safely take you where you want to go is the best boat.  A solo canoe that a kid can pick up and carry to the water will get a hundred times more use than a big boat that takes an hour just to get rigged up and underway.  A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity. I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat. Kevin

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" A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity." true- but, We took a weekend and went over to Lake Coeur d’ Alene  a few years back- At the marina I was astounded at the number of big boats – the attendant at the marina said that the land and property taxes were so high that it was more economical to slip a big yacht and weekend on it that it was to own recreational property on the lake.

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 I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  Peter and I watched a boat that  was similar to yours struggling up the upper Niagara  yesterday on a stretch that I would tackle with a minimum  length of 16-17 feet and at least 25 inches of freeboard,  and considerably more horsepower.

When I was but a wee lad, my dad bought a 12′ aluminum rowboat & 3.5 hp outboard from Monkey Wards.   The five of us would load ourselves into it & head out from Crisfield into the Chesapeake for a day of fishing.   In that respect, Kevin is right.   We were able to actually get out on the water by buying something, anything we could afford at the time.   From a safety standpoint, however, we were probably nuts.   I remember one particular day we’d been well out (a 3-hr. motor with that setup) into Tangier Sound fishing while the wind built slowly.   By the time we prudently headed back in, the 12-footer was surfing down some pretty good swells, throwing spray, & occasionally digging the bow into the bottom of a trough as we slowly made our back to protected waters.   As a kid, it was great fun, but now that I’m the dad, I gotta think he was worried we were all going to drown.  :-) Joe F.

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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…..Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state.

Hey!  I got their bug!  I mean, I got 36 of their bug…..gonna catch me lotsa fish on Penn,s too! Wolfgang hey wayno, you want ‘em gift wrapped?

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I think it was $600 at REI last year.  I got a 25% discount as one of their one item promotions, bringing it down to $450. If you do a google search, you can find a few dealers selling it.   Unlike other boats, it’s not too expensive to ship at 18 pounds in a 16 inch cude. Chas If you get one, remember not to open the side zipper and take the liner bag out to dry.  It’s almost impossible to get it back in the right place so the boat doesn’t show any wrinkles.  They’ve put some sort of powder, probably talc in there, so the bag will slide inside the hypalon outer shell.  I made the mistake of rinsing that off. How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Bill, It just so happens that I am in search of a good used 14′ Jon boat to use in the back bays and shallow areas around the DE shoreline. Seems like this is the best approach (for me), as most of my boat owner-type salt buddies are using much bigger craft and can only access bigger waters. Trailering and launching these vessels can be somewhat problematic at times, as I have witnessed. Maintenance is a whole other issue. So, I have no interest in locking myself into a bigger hole in the water in which money is poured…  I’ll stick to a smaller hole. BTW, wanna sell your Lowes?  ;-) — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…"

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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12`  olive drab John boat. The bottom was camouflaged by laying maple leaves oak leaves on it and spray painting around them with black rustoleum 16/6 pontoon boat equipped with twin minn kota Neptune motors (For when wife is along) — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Hi.  I have a 10ft OUTCAST PAC-1000 pontoon boat (for sale).  But prefer my Don Hill 10ft mini-drift boat.  I can do most things with it I can with the pontoon boat, more stable,  stay drier, and easier to just throw the gear in the boat and shove off.  Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state. GL Greg

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Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Mad River 16′ Explorer canoe rigged with bow and stern anchors. Would like to get one of those little pontoon kickboats one of these days. They look like they’d be a gas. G.Cleveland

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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Blazin’ Tommy D: The George Wallace National Youth Alliance are KKK Nazis and don’t belong on any of these NGs tony: Oh please go back to alt.teens where you belong . . . .

klaatu: he’s not from alt.teens, but apparently from some alternate reality where he imagines he has wisdom to decide who belongs where.

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Dear abuse The abuse address could not be resolved so I’m forwarding this to the various hate watch groups dealings with anti-Judaics, &c. I am from the NG alt.magick which is a group dedicated to the scholarly discussion of Hermetic philosophy and practice. Several of us including myself are Jewish and we are occasionally harassed by a person using various names that posts anti-Judaic and racist posts to our group and at the same time "cross posts" to various teen groups, inviting skinheads to do likewise, &c Could you please ask them to leave us alone BTD This "klaatu" person posted these to the following groups alt.magick,alt.surfing,alt.skate-board,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blazin’ Tommy D: The George Wallace National Youth Alliance are KKK Nazis and don’t belong on any of these NGs tony: Oh please go back to alt.teens where you belong . . . . klaatu: he’s not from alt.teens, but apparently from some alternate reality where he imagines he has wisdom to decide who belongs where.

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   Keep this shit out of alt.surfing you KOOKS.    This shit’s so off topic the Carson/JB feud feels right at home.    Take it to alt.kiddie.crap.political.banter   D O   Y  O  U    S  U  R  F  ?????? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear abuse The abuse address could not be resolved so I’m forwarding this to the various hate watch groups dealings with anti-Judaics, &c. I am from the NG alt.magick which is a group dedicated to the scholarly discussion of Hermetic philosophy and practice. Several of us including myself are Jewish and we are occasionally harassed by a person using various names that posts anti-Judaic and racist posts to our group and at the same time "cross posts" to various teen groups, inviting skinheads to do likewise, &c Could you please ask them to leave us alone BTD This "klaatu" person posted these to the following groups alt.magick,alt.surfing,alt.skate-board,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Blazin’ Tommy D: The George Wallace National Youth Alliance are KKK Nazis and don’t belong on any of these NGs tony: Oh please go back to alt.teens where you belong . . . . klaatu: he’s not from alt.teens, but apparently from some alternate reality where he imagines he has wisdom to decide who belongs where.

–                    or leap up into the unkown?… "

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The George Wallace National Youth Alliance are KKK Nazis and don’t belong on any of these NGs signed,

Oh please go back to alt.teens where you belong . . . . tony — Tony Knox

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The George Wallace National Youth Alliance are KKK Nazis and don’t belong on any of these NGs signed, The long haired queer commie Jew ballet dancer from alt.magick ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : :::::::::::: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Men and Women of the National Alliance P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946, (304) 653-4600 Web site: www.natall.com or www.natvan.com http://www.natvan.com/demands/index.html

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I saw this thing being advertised on Ebay and I had to go to Leica’s site to see if it was for real.  It was.  What’s next?  Kodak starts making Brownie Starflash remakes for $500?

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Leica’s site to see if it was for real.  It was.  What’s next?  Kodak starts making Brownie Starflash remakes for $500? The Leica "O" has a great little recomputed 50 F/3.5 Elmar (4 element Tessar formula) lens! The Leica folks at Solms say is just the thing for reducing stress by freeing the photographer from the modern techno-wonder SLR! Using the "O" is like going fly fishing they say! Doug from Tumwater

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<Good report snipped What, no whitefish to report about Jeff? Darin

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Jeff C writes:

(snip for brev) – Jeff Miller’s week: up at 5:30 to fish before breakfast.  Sometimes pack a lunch to fish straight through.  At dinner, eat everything he ordered plus half of Dene’s order,

You mean to tell me that scurrilous lawyer from the great North State was also eating Dene’s food?  Helll, when he sat opposite me I had to build a defensive wall consisting of wine bottles, water glasses, etc. to keep my food from ending up in his plate.  Somewhere there is a picture of Jeffy, ala the picture of Dorian Gray, growing fatter and fatter and fatter, while our beloved yet scurrilous friend remains lean and mean. As far as Benee goes —- well, if I didn’t have to take a leak so badly, we’d *still* be in the 2nd current catching big brookies and salmon.  I enjoyed meeting her, Jeff, and hope the both of you can come back. Dave LaCourse, Bottom Dweller

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Helll, when [Jeffy] sat opposite me I had to build a defensive wall consisting of wine bottles, water glasses, etc. to keep my food from ending up in his plate.

That’s good …hope the both of you can come back.

Yes, that would be good. Regards, Jeff

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What, no whitefish to report about Jeff?

I forgot!  No whitefish!  One nice thing about the fishing there is that when you hook something it’s either a salmon or brook trout (although there were rumours of some browns being in the water, which was made more confusing because apparently some salmon had red spots.)  And you know immediately which one it is by the direction the fish streaks – north or south Regards, Jeff

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Jeff C writes: What, no whitefish to report about Jeff? I forgot!  No whitefish!  One nice thing about the fishing there is that when you hook something it’s either a salmon or brook trout (although there were rumours of some browns being in the water, which was made more confusing because apparently some salmon had red spots.)  And you know immediately which one it is by the direction the fish streaks – north or south Regards, Jeff

There are both chubs (large shiner-like fish) and suckers in the Rapid.  The chubs will hit a streamer and the suckers regularly take a nymph.  In fact, on Monday I took a slucker out of 1st current.  Peter was at the tail of the current and couldn’t see it — he thought it was a big brookie.  There are also yellow perch and supposedly small mouth bass.  I’ve caught a yellow perch, but never a bass. Dave LaCourse

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There are also yellow perch and supposedly small mouth bass.

I remember now I saw a sign on the riverside that said smallmouth had been illegally "stocked" in the river.  It encouraged fishermen to keep any smallmouth that were caught, since they are "very aggressive" (in taking over trout habitat.)  I have to admit I would have been shocked to catch a perch Regards, Jeff

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- Benee and I really enjoyed our trip to Lakewood.  Ever since I dropped in on this group and mentioned to Benee the sort of names I’ve been called, she really had no interest in reading or posting.  She’s not a big internet surfer in any case.  But slowly I was able to convince her she’d enjoy a clave like the one in Maine.  I think one of the things that intrigued her was some of the handles of ROFF posters: Indian Joe, Pamlico Jim, Daytripper, Fishworship, Flyfish, Big Dale, Bruiser, Wayno, and now I guess Zimbo??, etc.  She says she will invent her own handle and post a trip report herself, and she also has pics to contribute. – First I’d like to say that one of my primary goals was to see Benee catch her first trout on a fly.  Now, as many of you know, teaching fly fishing to your significant other ranks right up there with showing them how to golf. According to Peter Charles, it is second to hanging wallpaper together.  So I’m very thankful to Dave LaCourse who not only provided a pleasant guiding experience to Benee, but actually helped her catch her first fish.  There was one tag team effort between Dave and Benee on a brookie of about 17", and after that Benee caught a salmon on her own that appeared somewhere around 14-16". Mission accomplished!! – My dream fish for the trip was an 18" native brook trout.  I never caught that fish, but I was pleasantly surprised by the salmon, which went ballistic when hooked, as Zimbo said. – I cannot claim the biggest fish, the most fish, the largest fish on a little hook, or any other meaningful accomplishment, but I do claim the toughest river crossing – *below* lower dam.  I made it, but not recommended. – I wasn’t able to stay long enough for the raffle, but look forward to whatever I might have gotten.  Also sorry I missed the bonfire.  On the way out Wednesday morning, I ran into Dave Tatosian, Paul Goodwin, and Dave (Bottom ? flyfish).  Glad I was able to at least say hi to Dave again but sorry we again didn’t get a chance to fish. – Dave LaCourse drives an Audi.  When Dave asked Benee what she did, Benee said she was an audiologist.  Dave asked Benee if she could look at his car. – One thing that’s fun about fishing with a newbie is a fresh look at some of the lingo we take for granted.  When you or I might say "Had a few splashy refusals", Benee would say "I think I had a nibble.  Didn’t pan out though." – From the sound of things, the better fishing seems to have been in the second half of the week.  Oh well!  That’s the kind of thing that keeps you coming back. – The accomodations were exactly my style.  On Sunday I only had half a day to fish, so I took a lunch with me to the river.  There wasn’t anything unique or special in the lunch bag, yet the lunch out on the river, under absolutely beautiful skies and perfect temperature, *was* special and it tasted damn good.  Hard to say why, but you know what I mean. – Jeff Miller’s week: up at 5:30 to fish before breakfast.  Sometimes pack a lunch to fish straight through.  At dinner, eat everything he ordered plus half of Dene’s order, and start drinking wine.  After dinner, sit in a rocking chair and start drinking heavier stuff.  At some point while listening to the "party", drift off to sleep.  Repeat. – It turns out Indian Joe and Dene stayed at the same bed and breakfast that Benee and I did in Portland Thursday night.  The contrast between the brochure and the actual accomodations was a joke!  Luckily we had good company to share the laugh with. – Well, Dave did a great job with the organization, thank you. Regards, Jeff

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

Here are parts of a conversation that I had with someone earlier. We also fished a river up from Vail.  You go west on I-70 from Vail then turn south on the highway to Mintern (or Leadville), you’ll parallel a stream way below you in the canyon.  At about Red Cliff the stream reaches the highway and mellows out.  There’s a little picnic area we parked at and fished upstream

This stretch of water (the Eagle) was fantastic on 8/2-6, when I had the good fortune to be fishing it with a couple of friends. I used to live in Aspen and had fished the Roaring Fork and over in Frying Pan, but the fishing was never as good as the 5 days we had around Vail. I guess it helped that my freind had been guiding in the valley for about five years. I was told to pick up some emerging caddis at the local outfitter, and hardly took them off (except to do some nymphing). Caught my first cut on the Eagle just below the rod and gun club’s property off of highway 6. Anyway, I had to make a comment when I heard that I almost you on the river.

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand these terms have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne

Well, as long as they bring their own Scotch, the other things are almost forgiveable I guess We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  In case you’re not familiar with it, a ‘humpy’ is a rather rough and ready bush dwelling, which the lodge definitely won’t be!  Of course apart from being a trout fly, another meaning for humpy could only be imagined, but as for a busload of lawyers being involved, well….. — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.   I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz.

maybe that’s why so many Americans wear spectacles…… didn’t do QUITE enough to send you blind Sorry – couldn’t resist it. But seriously – if anyone is genuinely interested in a holiday to the Tasmanian highlands next year, let me know.   The lake we’re building on is 280 acres, and is part of the London Lakes complex, which many will have heard of.   The lake is called Highland Waters, and is part of a 586 acre property.   The trout are big, plentiful, and a bugger to catch – a real challenge.   Oh, and did I mention that the scenery is beautiful?  And the lodge will be very comfortable, with a deck overlooking the lake, and plenty of room for the barbecue on which to cook the big rainbows you’ll catch there too.  The browns are catch-and-release (that’s how they come to be so big and so smart) but the rainbows are catch-and-barbecue — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Damn forgot to proof read or use spellcheck!.fter should have An a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine!

As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes, a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special.   We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse – a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes,

a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to

tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special. We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be

keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is

the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you

brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse –

a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh Pete, Brisbane, Australia

Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

Andrew,   I assume you live in Anchorage, or are flying in for this bicycle trip. Either way, from experience flying the bush years ago up there (I flew out of Fairbanks Int’l and Merrill Field, Anchorage) if you don’t bring anything else, bring a headnet and clothes that will protect the rest of your skin from hordes of ravenous mosquitoes. They are not all that bad in the ‘big cities’ of Alaska, but can drive you absolutely crazy out in the muskeg, etc. As an example, I used to fly clients or friends out to a remote lake in the Tanana Valley, and always carried a can or two of Black Flag bug spray. As soon as the airplane doors are opened to de-plane, look out! Of course, headnets were already in place. The Black Flag was to kill ‘em when they boarded with us for the return trip. I have caught grayling on drys and wets, most of the time they are not too fussy. If you want some arm wrenching fun, try any streamer that imitates a minnow, then fish the rivers for pike. We caught pike in the Yukon and Tanana rivers until our arms hurt. These were not especially big fish, maybe average 3# or so, but just sheer numbers will wear you down. Good luck, your post brought back many fond memories. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick

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I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick

Rick: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. Check you regs. March is a difficult time.  Late for winter steelheading and early for springers.  Had a great trip early April while at a similar confrence several years ago.  Springer fishing started in the darl at 4 AM at Drano Lake east of Stevenson.  Was back for the opening session by nine. Good luck. Bart

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: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. : Check you regs. I remember a day about 15 years ago when the steelhead were actually stacked up side to side across the Washougal.  For hundreds of yards… very impressive.  One could literally walk across the stream on the fish backs. Does it still get that way?  (I think this day was in late summer.) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick Rick: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. Check you regs. March is a difficult time.  Late for winter steelheading and early for springers.  Had a great trip early April while at a similar confrence several years ago.  Springer fishing started in the darl at 4 AM at Drano Lake east of Stevenson.  Was back for the opening session by nine. Good luck. Bart

The Wind river is RIGHT THERE.  This will be maybe a little early for the summer run fish, but there are native trout as well. The Washougal will have a mix of dark steelhead and maybe a few native springer steelhead, but the runs have been off lately.  The White Salmon has some fish, but may be closed – I don’t know.   I would do the Washougal, and go middle to high on the river.  Note that the river closes at Salmon Falls.  Go to Washougal, and turn north at Wild Willies.  The road will take you along the river, and there is reasonable access.

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: The Wind river is RIGHT THERE.  This will be maybe a little early for : the summer run fish, but there are native trout as well. Hey folks, there is a nifty natural hot springs on the (L) Wind.  Don’t ask ‘cuz I’m not telling.  Just look around. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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thanks for your leader info. Thanks for your information. I worked this out a little better since i last posted. I have a 12 wght also, and a beefy battenkill reel that has yet to sing. I took the mono off the front of the s-head, and left a foot long butt of mono on it with a perfection loop. I practiced delivering 3/0 deceivers on a commercial Scientific A’s tapered leader. A 9′ 12 lb test worked great. Now I think I am going to take the mono off the back of the 30 s-head and go with some floating or intermediate line that won’t tangle in my dish bucket If the dish bucket hoses again with real line……I will glue in "finger"s in the bottom of the bucket. I live in northern california, but am headed back to mom’s in south jersey in 2 weeks, a 52 lber was caught in Holgate last week in the surf. What kind of strip and retrieve are you doing? Have you seen the Jeff Mancini video? Are you making your own epoxy poppers?? Steve in Santa Cruz

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writes: I live in northern california, but am headed back to mom’s in south jersey in 2 weeks, a 52 lber was caught in Holgate last week in the surf.

we’ll make arrangments to meet on the surf. That 52 lber sure got my attention quick. What kind of strip and retrieve are you doing?

I had been doing a one handed strip all the time until I got a tip from Darren Lew (see earlier post on stripping). Today I alternated with a two handed strip and found the hook setting to be much more reliable (and firm). Darren had some interesting points on the additional fly speed and retrieve control of the two handed strip. I still find, however, that a one handed strip provides unmatched jigging action on flies with lots of material to flail in the water (Tabory Snake flies, big Deceivers, rabbit hide strips, etc.). I just got some Martha’s Vinyard Squid Flies from Orvis in the mail today and can’t wait to get ‘em wet in the surf! Have you seen the Jeff Mancini video?

Yup. A buddy brought it over while we were still in the dead of winter here in NY and I’ve been hooked since ;^) I also met the guy during an outdoorsman show in Rockland county back in February. Seems nice, but we didn’t get too much time to talk (he was swarmed by too many glassy eyed folks overcome with excitement in the presence of such an international celebrity 8^). There is a post in this group with his home phone number…. Are you making your own epoxy poppers??

Since I just got started with fly fishing this year, I haven’t accumulated all the toys yet. I figured I’d get some pre-tied first so I couldn’t blame my unsuccessfull outings on bad fly tying. Now that a buddy has shown me how simple some of the saltwater flys are to tie, I’ll be picking up a vice any day now… Look forward to hearing from you! HH&TL,     Jose

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