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Hi, check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. Hi All….. Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks
– Vic Brockett http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett
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Try out the following links. http://killroys.com/patterns/patterns.htm http://www.flyline.com/flys/patrns.htm http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/list.html#Stream http://www.algonet.se/~sjostran/English/10018.htm http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/roman.htm http://www.traflyfish.com/tying/index.htm http://www.virtualflybox.com/pattern_list.shtml Also, some help links are listed bellow. http://www.buckeyeflyfishers.com/fly_frame.htm http://www.masterfx.com/Flysnest/Class.htm Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All….. Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks
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check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett
The words on your images are hard to read. Try a bigger font. Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear? The wire alone is enough to hold it in place? Mu
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check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett The words on your images are hard to read. Try a bigger font. Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear? The wire alone is enough to hold it in place?
He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle…
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He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle…
I guess it’s implied in his specific instruction to wind the hackle clockwise from front to back (I assume as viewed from the head down the length of the fly). Winding the wire as usual (clockwise) from rear to front would mean it’s counterwound around the hackle. What I don;t understand is whether or not the wire alone provides a secure anchor for the hackle once it reaches the rear of the fly. I ordinarily counterwind the ribbing anyway, but am usually winding all materials from rear to front. Mu
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Thanks Mu, I will try again with the fonts. Yes the wire ribbing holds the palmered hackle just fine. I usually wrap the wire once before spiraling forward. I use the same technique with elk hair caddis and all other flies that have palmered hackle. check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett The words on your images are hard to read. Try a bigger font. Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear? The wire alone is enough to hold it in place? Mu
– Vic Brockett http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett
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Hi Mu, Sorry for the second note but you have it exactly right. When I was tying the hackle in the back by the tip and trying to counterwrap the wire, I had trouble tying off the wire because it was being wrapped counter clockwise. I find the new way much easier and more durable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle… I guess it’s implied in his specific instruction to wind the hackle clockwise from front to back (I assume as viewed from the head down the length of the fly). Winding the wire as usual (clockwise) from rear to front would mean it’s counterwound around the hackle. What I don;t understand is whether or not the wire alone provides a secure anchor for the hackle once it reaches the rear of the fly. I ordinarily counterwind the ribbing anyway, but am usually winding all materials from rear to front. Mu
– Vic Brockett http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett
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Try this one; http://www.fishnet.com.au/flyswap/ See the flybox or try a fly swap – it’s a good way to see what other people tie. Many patterns from around the world, but mostly tied by Aussies – nymphs to flashy profiles. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’
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http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk Over 200 pages and 400 images. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All….. Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks
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Hi All….. Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks
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<SNIP are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit. I would be real surprised if Montana planted any fish. Because of the good population of brown trout, which are resistant to WD, they still have fish in the infected rivers. Besides,wasn’t Montana the first state to figure out that people will travel long distances to catch "wild" fish?
I don’t mean to change the subject, but the original question has recently become even more intriguing than when I originally posed it. The Yellowstone is the last wild river in the lower 48, but that doesn’t seem to be so important now that a few springcreeks have succumbed to what wild rivers naturally do on occasion (flood and change that is). Stocking wild rivers when the rainbows disappear is similar to damming wild rivers when the largely man-made springcreeks disappear. They are both justified with tourist dollars. Of course it remains to be seen what they will actually do on the Yellowstone. I am a cynic but I hope I am wrong. -al
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<SNIP are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit.
I would be real surprised if Montana planted any fish. Because of the good population of brown trout, which are resistant to WD, they still have fish in the infected rivers. Besides,wasn’t Montana the first state to figure out that people will travel long distances to catch "wild" fish? Do you think people would travel long distances to catch hatchery planters?? I can see the ads now: "Come to Big Sky Country to catch our imitation rainbows reared in concrete runways by the thousands and behaviourly modified with regular feedings of Purina Trout Chow (floating variety – a reddish brown color). The "hot" fly this week (and every week) – either a brown Goddard Caddis with the hackle and antenna removed or a size10 brown beetle. If the fish aren’t rising just throw out a handful of pea gravel (sounds like PTC hitting the water). Guaranteed to make them rise (and since your fly is the only thing floating they’ll hit it thinking it’s PTC). Come on down!" I guarantee you I wouldn’t and I don’t think very many people would – and they know that. Just my .02 Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a few questions about whirling disease I hope someone knowledgeable can answer. Any realistic estimates on how long it would take a river that has been hit hard by the disease (the Madison for example) to recover naturally without stocking? Years? Decades? Never? Will the parasite die off after a period with no juvenile rainbows, making the river suitable for repopulation? Can a significant portion of fry survive to sexual maturity, or does reproduction halt completely? It seems to me that by the time the river recovers to a point that it is suitable for a rainbow population again that the surviving trout, if any, would be too old to spawn. Let’s suppose that it is only a matter of time before all the wild rainbow fisheries in the west are affected. While it is awful to imagine, it seems realistic unless we find a way to kill the parasite. After all, rivers that are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit. I hope this initiates some useful discussion. -al
I am not an expert, but I have read that whirling disease has been around for over 200 years since it was first discovered in Europe. So our environment has been successfully dealing with it for quiet a while. It can be spread by man and animals, so if fishing were banned, it would still migrate to new streams. I was fortunate enough to talk to a very experinced guide in Montana a few weeks ago. His opinion on the disease is that its effects are minimal, and that the low count of frey is due to the extended fishing season ( to bring in the tourist bucks) and the trampling of the spawning beds by well intentioned fishermen. H.Payne
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The spring creeks aren’t largely man made…they had allways existed and had fallen into disrepair from years of neglect and cattle grazing…they have been rehabilitated by man…veggitation restored, silt removed, etc…I will be very surprised if Montana increases it’s stocking program…there is no need…it’s so ironic that EVERYONE is SO concerned with whirling disease when the biggest threat to our Montana fisheries remains water quality….stop the Seven-Up Pete mine on the Blackfoot…restore the pre 1994 water quality standards!!!
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These responses are part fact and part my own distilled opinion…
I have heard that rivers with a substantial elevation drop are less susceptible to WD. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Mitch
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Al, The discussions I’ve monitored predict that a certain percentage of the population will be resistant to WD. These fish will reproduce, passing on their resistance. After a few generations, equilibrium will be restored. If we leave nature alone, she’ll do what she has done for million of years– repair and improve herself. But then, my boss calls me a stary-eyed optomist! Tight lines, Charley
Jonathan Cook’s response has indicated -and there is evidence from several Eastern and Western states to substantiate this- that the presence of the parasite does not immediately lead to the symptoms of infections, eg skeletal deformations, ‘whirling’, black tail. Whether or not this means that a resident population has developed an immune response to the parasite is still debatable. Published reports indicate that there is some antibody response to the presence of the parasite, however this may or may not lead to removal of the parasite by known immune response pathways. The primary reason whirling disease is so devastating is the attack on skelatal material that has not ossified. So survival/morbidity depends on the presence of the parasite, its apparent mandatory passage through the intermediate host, the Tubifex worm, the release of the infectious stage of the parasite, and attachment to the host fish–all at a time when the fish has not undergone ossification of the site of attack (the spine and some head skeleton regions). So survival is dependent on the life histories of the parasite, its intermediate host and the main host. All of the fish so far discussed are at risk, although there is a gradation that increases from browns to cutts to rainbows. Someone rightly pointed out that the primary target for the present are rainbows which are the progeny of planted fish – I believe but am not sure that Montana stopped planting fish in rivers in the late 70’s, but continue to do so in lakes in the state. I am more concerned on the fate of native, wild fish (eg the cutts) than those that have been moved from other locations (the rainbow and brown). Don
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I have heard that rivers with a substantial elevation drop are less susceptible to WD. Can anyone verify this? My guess is that yes, this is a big factor in susceptibility. A high gradient stream doesn’t play good host to the tubifex worm, and is less fertile in general. Thus, the WD spore concentration will be less during the ossification period of the young trout’s skeleton. More trout live, and the overall affect is less. I’d say a good example of this is the Big Thompson. Very little effect.
Or the Roaring Fork ? TimW
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These responses are part fact and part my own distilled opinion… I have heard that rivers with a substantial elevation drop are less susceptible to WD. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Mitch
One of the stages in the WD parasites’ life is in the tubifex worm. These worms live in the mud on the bottom of a river. A large elevation drop generally means faster water, and no mud accumulation. No mud, no worms, no place for the WD parasite to accumulate. Also faster water means a dead rotting WD infested carcass doesn’t go to the bottom to spread it’s spores. It gets swept away. Darryl Hayashida
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These responses are part fact and part my own distilled opinion… I have heard that rivers with a substantial elevation drop are less susceptible to WD. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Mitch One of the stages in the WD parasites’ life is in the tubifex worm. These worms live in the mud on the bottom of a river. A large elevation drop generally means faster water, and no mud accumulation. No mud, no worms, no place for the WD parasite to accumulate. Also faster water means a dead rotting WD infested carcass doesn’t go to the bottom to spread it’s spores. It gets swept away.
Does this latter posit a positive argument for catch and kill ? TimW
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These responses are part fact and part my own distilled opinion… I have heard that rivers with a substantial elevation drop are less susceptible to WD. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Mitch One of the stages in the WD parasites’ life is in the tubifex worm. These worms live in the mud on the bottom of a river. A large elevation drop generally means faster water, and no mud accumulation. No mud, no worms, no place for the WD parasite to accumulate. Also faster water means a dead rotting WD infested carcass doesn’t go to the bottom to spread it’s spores. It gets swept away. Does this latter posit a positive argument for catch and kill ? TimW
Not really. ’Cuz the fish killed by WD are fry that you wouldn’t catch anyway. ’Course, I suppose larger fish could be host to it without being killed by it. But, taking all the fish out of the system to save the system, somehow, seems short-sighted to me. Tight lines and straight fish, Charley
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. Most hard-hit waters are tailwaters — no runoff, constant temps, and lots of moss and mud for tubifex worms (the other host).
Hi Jon, and now Gas Bubble disease can be added to the list of problems in tailwaters. A recent study on the Colorado River states: …Trout sampled exhibited higher symptoms of both whirling disease and gas bubble trauma in stream sections with high saturation levels than those with lower saturation levels. These results indicate a combined effect of whirling disease and gas bubble trauma is affecting young -of-the-year rainbow and brown trout in the study area. regards, Mike
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Of course, this applies to wild fish. If it’s a hatchery fish, keep it. Darryl Hayashida
how do you distinguish a hatchery fish from a wild one ? just curious (i’m a strict C&R guy) — phone +303-492-3504 | Dept. of Chemistry & Biochemistry fax +303-492-5894 | University of Colorado at Boulder
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a few questions about whirling disease I hope someone knowledgeable can answer. Any realistic estimates on how long it would take a river that has been hit hard by the disease (the Madison for example) to recover naturally without stocking? Years? Decades? Never? Will the parasite die off after a period with no juvenile rainbows, making the river suitable for repopulation? Can a significant portion of fry survive to sexual maturity, or does reproduction halt completely? It seems to me that by the time the river recovers to a point that it is suitable for a rainbow population again that the surviving trout, if any, would be too old to spawn. Are steelhead susceptible? Let’s suppose that it is only a matter of time before all the wild rainbow fisheries in the west are affected. While it is awful to imagine, it seems realistic unless we find a way to kill the parasite. After all, rivers that are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit. I hope this initiates some useful discussion. -al
Al, The discussions I’ve monitored predict that a certain percentage of the population will be resistant to WD. These fish will reproduce, passing on their resistance. After a few generations, equilibrium will be restored. If we leave nature alone, she’ll do what she has done for million of years– repair and improve herself. But then, my boss calls me a stary-eyed optomist! Tight lines, Charley
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course, this applies to wild fish. If it’s a hatchery fish, keep it. Darryl Hayashida how do you distinguish a hatchery fish from a wild one ? just curious (i’m a strict C&R guy) In the area I fish in, a stocker is a 10 to 12 inch rainbow with tattered fins and a dark almost black back.They all look the same, as if they were cranked out by an assembly line. The fins are tattered because they grow up packed into a concrete pen where their fins rub against the walls and each other. The hatchery fish also tend to nip each others fins. Probably out of irritation or maybe lack of anything else to do. Their backs are black because the have no way to get out of the sun and fish skin reacts to strong sunlight just like human skin does – increased melanin, or in other words, a suntan. Darryl Hayashida
Here in Oregon, the hatchery workers clip the adipose fin (the one located on the back behind the main (dorsal?) fin). Andy Clark Albany, OR
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Text deleted… In the end it will be the hatchery raised WD exposed fish that has the best chance of survival and passing on resistance to its offspring. regards, Mike
We are talking about two different animals here. In my disscusions with fishery biologists in the area I fish in, I found out that the hatchery fish have a very low survival rate. On the order of 2 to 3 percent. One of the reasons is that the "catchable" size stocked is 10 to 12 inches. Any fish raised for the better portion of a year on Purina Trout Chow isn’t going to recognize a caddis or mayfly or a nymph as food. All I’m saying is in my area stockers are going to die anyway, so you might as well keep them. This is probably different in your area. Also, the area I fish in has had WD for decades. It still has wild trout. They seem to be resistant, and C&R seems to be a positive factor, preserving resistant fish to breed, not a cause of spreading WD. Go ahead and post your rebuttal, and I will read it, but this debate will probably go on for years and we, at least I, can’t do a darned thing about WD. So, if you don’t mind, I respectfully bow out of this discussion. I only entered into it again to answer the question on why it appears steep stream gradients don’t have a WD problem. Darryl Hayashida
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Of course, this applies to wild fish. If it’s a hatchery fish, keep it. Darryl Hayashida how do you distinguish a hatchery fish from a wild one ? just curious (i’m a strict C&R guy)
In the area I fish in, a stocker is a 10 to 12 inch rainbow with tattered fins and a dark almost black back.They all look the same, as if they were cranked out by an assembly line. The fins are tattered because they grow up packed into a concrete pen where their fins rub against the walls and each other. The hatchery fish also tend to nip each others fins. Probably out of irritation or maybe lack of anything else to do. Their backs are black because the have no way to get out of the sun and fish skin reacts to strong sunlight just like human skin does – increased melanin, or in other words, a suntan. Darryl Hayashida
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As far as a hatrchery fish goes, if the fish was raised in a WD negative hatchery (or born in the wild) and placed in a WD positive stream it would never exhibit signs of WD but could carry millions of spores until its death. But a fish raised in a "lightly infected" WD positve hatchery may only be exposed to a few spores, at which time the fish becomes immune to WD, and the spore load never increases. Which fish should is the healthiest? In the end it will be the hatchery raised WD exposed fish that has the best chance of survival and passing on resistance to its offspring. regards, Mike
Now, Mike. Building strawmen arguments and then knocking them down is a crude and not very supportable method of proving your point. Yes, if I accept that only the two scenarios you’ve outlined exist, your choice is superior. However, it is possible that a wild trout, or one introduced from a hatchery, may inhabit a "lightly infected" WD positive stream and provide an immunity to WD that is commensurate with your hypothetical Hatchery Fish. After all, this is Mother Nature we’re discussing here. She’s anything but linear! I believe that hatcheries have their place, as do wild runs. I believe that catch and release is a tools, and should be used with an awareness of the appropriate application of that tool and its potential short-comings. I believe Flyfishing, much like Monday Night Football, has become much too popular, and in its popularity has suffered from many individuals trying to define it to fit into their paradigm. It’s still just fishing. Tight Lines, Charley
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No, because if you have just caught a fish that appears healthy, then it either has WD or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then put it back. If it does, then it might be one of the few fish that are resistant to WD, and if it lives to reproduce, the resistance will be passed on to its offspring. Of course, this applies to wild fish. If it’s a hatchery fish, keep it.
There is absolutely no way to tell if a fish has WD or not, except for the very young fish who were exposed before ther cartilage had formed. These young fish will have deformed spines, heads, and blackened tails. However they do not live very long as they are easy prey, poor competitors, or die as a result of WD. On the other hand an older fish that is exposed my carry millions of spores and never show any signs. When they die they release these spores that invade the Tubifex worm (intermediate host) that later releases the spores that harm the very young fish. As far as a hatrchery fish goes, if the fish was raised in a WD negative hatchery (or born in the wild) and placed in a WD positive stream it would never exhibit signs of WD but could carry millions of spores until its death. But a fish raised in a "lightly infected" WD positve hatchery may only be exposed to a few spores, at which time the fish becomes immune to WD, and the spore load never increases. Which fish should is the healthiest? In the end it will be the hatchery raised WD exposed fish that has the best chance of survival and passing on resistance to its offspring. regards, Mike
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<snip A recent study on the Colorado River states:..Trout sampled exhibited higher symptoms of both whirling disease and gas bubble traum=
a in stream sections with high saturation levels than those with lower saturation levels. <snip What exactly is gas bubble trauma? Is this an effect in aerated hydraulics on ??? gills, body surface, or ???? Please elucidate. Jon
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One of the stages in the WD parasites’ life is in the tubifex worm. These worms live in the mud on the bottom of a river. A large elevation drop generally means faster water, and no mud accumulation. No mud, no worms, no place for the WD parasite to accumulate. Also faster water means a dead rotting WD infested carcass doesn’t go to the bottom to spread it’s spores. It gets swept away. Does this latter posit a positive argument for catch and kill ? TimW
No, because if you have just caught a fish that appears healthy, then it either has WD or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then put it back. If it does, then it might be one of the few fish that are resistant to WD, and if it lives to reproduce, the resistance will be passed on to its offspring. Of course, this applies to wild fish. If it’s a hatchery fish, keep it. Darryl Hayashida
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Just my $0.02, and I expect I’ll get a flame or two for this. Rainbows are native to Pacific coast streams. Sure they grow to a large size, but anytime you transplant fish from their place of origin to a new area, you’re taking a big risk. Not only are the organisms not adapted to all the vagaraties of the new habiat, even if the populations do thrive, but the other organisms in the new habitat are also not adapted to the imported species. Cutthroats are native to the Rocky Mountain streams. They evolved there, in consort with all of the other organisms in the ecosystem. It would make more sense to revitalize the cutthroat populations, especially with all of their interesting subspecies, than to keep relying on alien species. Likewise I would rather see more brook trout in eastern streams. Jesse M. Purvis
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I have a few questions about whirling disease I hope someone knowledgeable can answer. Any realistic estimates on how long it would take a river that has been hit hard by the disease (the Madison for example) to recover naturally without stocking? Years? Decades? Never? Will the parasite die off after a period with no juvenile rainbows, making the river suitable for repopulation? Can a significant portion of fry survive to sexual maturity, or does reproduction halt completely? It seems to me that by the time the river recovers to a point that it is suitable for a rainbow population again that the surviving trout, if any, would be too old to spawn. Are steelhead susceptible? Let’s suppose that it is only a matter of time before all the wild rainbow fisheries in the west are affected. While it is awful to imagine, it seems realistic unless we find a way to kill the parasite. After all, rivers that are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit. I hope this initiates some useful discussion. -al
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These responses are part fact and part my own distilled opinion. However, I did attend the WD conference in Denver back in Feb, and have read alot of the papers that were discussed there, so I think I’m reasonably well-informed. I have a few questions about whirling disease I hope someone knowledgeable can answer. Any realistic estimates on how long it would take a river that has been hit hard by the disease (the Madison for example) to recover naturally without stocking? Years? Decades? Never?
No one knows – can be any of the above. Depends on what you mean by recover, and on what it is recovering from. However, keep reading, the news isn’t that bad. Will the parasite die off after a period with no juvenile rainbows, making the river suitable for repopulation?
Apparently, yes. Utah killed off a river counting on this. CA has seen watersheds go from testing positive for WD to negative over several years, too. Can a significant portion of fry survive to sexual maturity, or does reproduction halt completely? It
Yes, a significant portion can survive. It depends on how saturated the water is with WD; and that depends on river conditions. My bet is that many rivers in the west will not support heavy concentrations of WD (ie, enough to drastically affect the rainbow population). Most hard-hit waters are tailwaters — no runoff, constant temps, and lots of moss and mud for tubifex worms (the other host). seems to me that by the time the river recovers to a point that it is suitable for a rainbow population again that the surviving trout, if any, would be too old to spawn.
I am pretty sure that fish spawn all of their adult life. In fact, the older and bigger they are, the more eggs they produce. They just keep getting better! Are steelhead susceptible?
Probably. Let’s suppose that it is only a matter of time before all the wild rainbow fisheries in the west are affected. While it is awful to imagine, it seems realistic unless we find a way to kill the parasite. After all, rivers that are not stocked have been infected, so it is spreading somehow.
Yeah, but don’t worry about it. I don’t think it’ll spread as fast as in the past, and, as above, there are many rivers that probably won’t see population crashes, due to the nature of the river itself. Besides, the rainbow isn’t native in much of the west anyways. Its just the CA$H fish — maybe ol’ T-Bone will get his wish of less-crowded waters, after all. Most states will reestablish rainbow populations by stocking hatchery-raised fish or establish populations of other species to replace the lost rainbows, correct? Any guesses on how long Montana’s policy of not stocking wild rivers will last when their tourist industry takes such a hit? On the same subject, what would be Idaho’s reaction if/when the Henry’s Fork is hit.
I don’t think they’ll need to stock. Remember, the Madison was already over 50% browns, so its not like there’s no fish left. Probably Henry’s Fork too. But who knows, I could be wrong. There are many states and many rivers already infected. Overall, it has been very few rivers that have seen population crashes. And these rivers ARE NOT NATURAL. The upper Colorado, the Madison, others in Colorado, do not have natural flows. I don’t think WD will devastate the west. Jon.
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I use the 14-pound test Berkley Fireline on my three ultra-light salt water spinning rods. It casts nicely and I use Palomar knots with it. The stuff is so thin, it simply is not as easy to handle as mono. I use it for inshore fishing for redfish, flounder and seatrout. I have *never* lost a fish to line break, but occasionally it does cut when it rubs the wrong way against oyster beds. — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Harry Krause Krause & Associates, Inc. Post Office Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32244
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J. Smith, I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin!
Try the Polimar (sp?) knot. I’ve used it on the braided lines like Fenwick Iron Thread, and Spiderwire in addition to the new Fireline. If you still have trouble with it, use a double Polimar. Basically, you simply double the line then tie a Polimar knot. Works for me, really never had problems with the knot when using this one. From what I understand, the gray color does fade, and rather quickly at that. But of course, if you’re looking for the small-diameter strength and non-stretch attributes, I think the line is thin enough to still work well (I’ll still keep my spinning reel handy with a spool full of good mono!).
Yup, the color (dark gray) fads into a light gray or white color after some use 5 trips? Chris San Jose, CA
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year I try to decide which lines to use. I have tried the braids, liked the low strech,hated the color lose. Does anybody know about this new Fireline? I do all kinds of fishing, bass,walleye,crappie,panfish. [deleted stuff] I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin!
[deleted stuff] I use the fireline for steelhead. I’ve found that I have no problems with knots as long as I double up the line before I tie. It is easier to tie with than spiderwire. When I was using spiderwire, The only way I could get a knot to stay was with superglue. I’m pleased with the fireline and have tossed my superglue. I understand that the spiderwire fusion is the same line with an extra coating for added smoothness on the guides, making it a little thicker in diameter. Andy S.
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Every year I try to decide which lines to use. I have tried the braids, liked the low strech,hated the color lose. Does anybody know about this new Fireline? I do all kinds of fishing, bass,walleye,crappie,panfish.
I haven’t actually ‘fished’ with my new reelful of Fireline, but I did get out to a local reservoir to at least throw out a few practice casts (they’ve also got these cool new ‘casting ponds’ here in Campbell, CA, used primarily by the local fly-fishermen, but also available to us bait- casters). I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin! From what I understand, the gray color does fade, and rather quickly at that. But of course, if you’re looking for the small-diameter strength and non-stretch attributes, I think the line is thin enough to still work well (I’ll still keep my spinning reel handy with a spool full of good mono!). Hopefully, these newsgroup threads will continue regarding these new hi-tech lines; there’s got to be an easy solution to these knot-tying woes. I’m pretty sure some past discussions in these newsgroups have adequately addressed the problem. Unfortunately, until I actually ‘tied some on,’ I didn’t bother to read them. Any ideas (already discussed or not) would be gratefully appreciated! J Smith Sunnyvale, CA
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I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one? If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats. thanx, Truckless in Petaluma, Charlie Metcalf "I thought I was the Bally table king. But I just handed my pinball crown to him" Pete Townsend
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writes: I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one? If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.
I’ve got a SeaDoo Explorer, which is sorta like a jetski mated to a hard-bottom inflatable and it has been a lot of fun, although I do question how well any jetski-type drive will hold up in saltwater. The Explorer is a bit slower than a jetski, but has greater hauling capacity.
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I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one?
Yes, I have a Boston Whaler Rage 15. It is a real blast to drive. The main problem I have with it is steering at low speeds, but this is the nature of a jet. Oh well. The BW does everything well. It’s slow for a jet, but it is the perfect vehicle if you want something that doesn’t have a lot of bells and whistles. You can see a picture of it and its specs at http://www.gsn.com in Marine Net. If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.
Here goes: Most jet runabouts are powered by either an OMC drive or a Mercury Marine drive. The former has 115 horses, the latter 120. Depending on what you are looking for, there are dozens available. If you are looking for utility, go with the BW or the Hobie Jet 915s. The Hobie has only 90 hp, but it will still go. It has a center console layout, like the BW, but a much shorter freeboard. Powerboat magazine thought it was OK. BW cost: $13k +/- Hobie: $11,500 +/- Fun boats: The Baja Splash looks like a lot of fun. Powerboat likens it to a sports car. Its colors are bright and it looks fast. Seating is a down, though. It only seats 3 and has a closed deck. It does have a rear facing seat for a spotter if you are skiing. $11k plus. Four Winns Fling: Kinda funny looking, IMHO. Can be gotten with options like a fishing chair, stereo, etc. It has a deeper V than most, so it is not as slideable, but Powerboat like it enough. They said it feels "safe and secure." $11k +/- Mirada Wild One: IMHO, BUTT UGLY. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one. I did see a white one the other day, but it still looks clunky. But it is cheap. $9k. Mirage Sport: Nice looking boat.Not very spinnable. Powerboat said it held a turn very well. Available with the 90hp or the 120 hp engine. It even has a built in ski locker, rare on jet boats. Powerboat calls it a true thoroughbred. $10.5k Regal Rush XP: Highly praised for its solid feel and comfortable ride. Predictable handling. Seats are awesome. Good looking boat. $9525. Rinker Rocket: Wow. I like the funky dash. Cost is small. Powerboat liked this first entry from the company. Well built. Holds turns well, but will spin if coaxed to. $7995. Sea-Doo Sporster: Uses the Rotax engine that can be found in the SPX PWC. SeaDoo is always good in quality. Nice looking boats, too. Separate gear shift and throttle. Only one available. Seats are rather comfortable and well bolstered. The Speedster has two Rotax engines and will absolutely FLY. Check into both. Sportster price – $8k Sea Ray Sea Rayder F-14: I fell that you can’t beat a Ray, but maybe that is because they are made here in Knoxville. NICE boats. You see them everywhere here in TN. Powerboat calls it "reassuringly predictable". $10k I have at least 7 more reviews if you want them, but I am already taking up a lot of bandwidth, so I will sign off. email me if you want more info. Scott Kirkham
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I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults, and has all the fun of the others.New cost $8,900.00 I am considering selling for $7,000.00,which includes trailer. I have taken it to Destin,Fla. and playedin the bay,intercoastal, and the gulf(too choppy). Boat trailers like a dream. Max
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I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults,
[...] Check your capacity plate. I’ll bet it’s overloaded with 6 adults. Just because it will plane with that load doesn’t mean it’s safe. "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." – Shakespeare
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Just kidding, sounds like fun, Tim. Thanks. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 1 – Tar Heels 0