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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

My pleasure. TL MC

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot!

Close. I get .0003318 in diameter. riverman

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In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

tight lines! –waldo

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I use Uni-knots and almost never had problems. Shame on you: didn’t you use a wire trace on your pike-leader? Hans van der Stroom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Slay dem fish Dave Handyman   Mike

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems.

You’ll get a hearty second recommendation from me regarding uniknots. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason" Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

I’m on your side also. GG

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Eric Larsen writes: I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC.

I use FC exclusively when nymphing and have no problems with knot failures.  I use a surgeon’s knot and a clinch knot, and I tie them with a tool.  No problems! In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

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I use a triple surgeon’s knot, and it works fine.  For attaching to wire or shock tippet, I use an albright knot with a dozen turns.  No troubles with broken or slipped knots. Chas ..snip.. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems. Well done on the double BTW Steve

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Hi All, I think that lots of the original FC is hard to knot so that is why I have not really recommended it to everyone. $13.95 and the Rio "Fluoroflex Plus",  knots seem to be much more dependable. We sell more FC every year now. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off . Are you ok with that? I always got the impression that you enjoyed your work and that it helped you.

it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to .

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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

Are you ok with that? I always got the impression that you enjoyed your work and that it helped you.

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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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x-no-archive: yes i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off . Are you serious? What did she say about the pills?

yes i’m seroius , she gave me the busperone or whatever it’s called , and i was too afraid to ask for the lorazapam , i’ll wait and trick my physician into those .

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why would that be unfortunate for me ? besides , you’ve only got shakey nuts . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hm, i just checked and unfortunately for you, I also have nuts i’ve already got you beat , i’ve got nuts . ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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Hm, i just checked and unfortunately for you, I also have nuts

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i’ve already got you beat , i’ve got nuts . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to . I see, so what will you do? I was on buspar at one point a few years ago. Do you find it helps?

i’ll work when i feel like it , go back to college for some more addiction studies , part time . get alot of neglected work done around the ponderosa , by then it should be summer , and i’ll spend my days , lasily fly fishing down on the sakunka river , i’ll show you a picture of the river if you like .

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it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to .

I see, so what will you do? I was on buspar at one point a few years ago. Do you find it helps?

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you have your harness, you have your carabener(sp) you have your parachute with the long lanyard you might carry a couple more carabeners for a classic 3 bean’er attachment for lowering your self to the ground R. (repelling all the way down) Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a saw or better judgement

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a saw or better judgement

I recall that a self-rescue kit for tree landings was standard equipment among Tennessee/Georgia HG pilots when I flew there too many years ago. Consisted of one of those flexible-wire saws, a length of strong cord, some basic first-aid material and a whistle. may have been some other items, but it was along time ago. It was not for nothing that the local club is the ‘Tennessee Tree Toppers’, and yes, I qualified. Didn’t need the saw, though, ‘cos I fell straight out. Noel

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Does anyone know of a design or plan for a tree rescue kit?

A recent issue of paragliding magazine had just such a plan.  I don’t remember the exact issue but you can probably find out at the USHGA web site <http://www.ushga.org. — Forrest Keller

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Yes It is called "Tooth Floss" and comes in small boxes from the chemist. Strong enough to be dropped from the tree and haul up a climbing rope! Stewart Reid

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a saw

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Does anyone know of a design or plan for a tree rescue kit?

Check out http://www.kurious.org/PG/treeresq.htm Thanks to Lowell Skoog. Floyd Rogers

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Hi from Dwayne, A box of Dental Floss and say 5 2ft long ropes in your harness pocket. The dental floss is used to pull up a heaver rope when you are stuck in a tree. The 2ft ropes are used to tie yourself or your glider to the tree. I started my hang gliding in Wellington in 1995 back flying with Grant Tatham and company. In Dallas Texas now – I hope to visit NZ again soon. Regards, Dwayne Sinclair.

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Does anyone know of a design or plan for a tree rescue kit?

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a saw

or better judgement

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Does anyone know of a design or plan for a tree rescue kit? Here in the NW USA, we have lots and lots of trees.  Unfortunately,

sometimes instead of flying over them, we fly into them.  We have a couple of guys in our club who put on a tree rescue clinic.  They also have recommendations for tree rescue kits.  Our trees are very tall (200 feet) so we have to be prepared.  I don’t know much about tree life in New Zealand, but in the Eastern US, a lot of places only have 30 foot trees. Anyway, we have very long tested ropes, at least 100 foot long for out here. About pencil width. Some people fly with them, others leave it in the truck. I leave it in the truck and carry fishing line in my PG harness.  In the HG I don’t have as much of penetration problems, but maybe I should carry it there too. I think 20 lb fishing test line is good to get the rope up to you.  One trick I used is to run over the line with my truck. I know it sounds weird, but it makes the spool much smaller without damaging the integrity of the spool or the line. It fits into harness better that way. You should also have an extra carabiner, you should know how to do the Munter hitch to lower yourself down, use the bowline knot to tie yourself or stuff off.  A lot of guys bring like an eight foot strap to immediately tie oneself into the trunk of the tree so you don’t fall while you’re getting yourself together.  You can really tire yourself out holding onto the tree wating for help.  I think those are the main things. John Saltveit Oregon NW USA

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maybe supplies for a tree fort

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What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last?

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I have always liked Gink.  When it hits the cold water, it thickens up and tends to stay on.  I fish streams quite a bit and it seems to stay on longer/better than most floatants. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last?

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Dave, I heard Mr. G. made Xink to sink flies because some people put too much Gink on their fly and couldn’t keep them on the water. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last? I have started to use a desicant (drying crystals).  The Orvis brand seems to be the best.  After catching a fish, simply wash off the fly in the stream, put it in desicant, shake, false cast once or twice and you are back in business.  If I *must* use a floatant, it is Gink or Albolene (an unscented cleanser). You can buy a 12 oz jar of Albolene in a drug store and it will last you tens of years.  Don’t ever confuse Gink with Xink, however.  I did — Adam’s sunk like a stone!  ;0) Dave LaCourse

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Gink. Don’t mess round with anything else – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last?

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What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last?

At least one very significant mail-order fly fishing catelog and guide service repackages Albolene Face Cream as their house brand of floatant.  It works as well as anything, but if you buy it in the pharmacy it is about $2.99 for 8 ounces, instead of $4.99 for 1/4 ounce. There are really 4 different situations.  1) pretreatment for a newly minted fly.  2) streamside treatment for a fly ready to fish  3) streamside treatment for a wet fly. In situation 1 I like a silicon type penetrating fluid.  It takes too long to dry for streamside use, but does an excellent job of creating a long floating fly. Depending on the fly, at streamside I like either a paste type floatant for elkhair based flies (Elk Hair Caddis, Stimulators, etc…) where the delecacy of the fly is not easily compromised.  If the fly is easily smashed — hackles matted down — I like an aerosol like Osprey brand floatant. Finally, if a fly is drowned and you have to resuscitate it, one of the powder type treatments will work nicely. Depending on the water conditions and how many fish you catch, a well treated fly can keep floating well for a half hour of use.  If in doubt, dry it out.  If you are using the paste type treatment, wipe the extra off your fingers on the last 2 feet of your fly line.  This will help keep the line from dragging the fly underwater. Happy fishin!

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Gink. Hands down.

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<<What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last? I have started to use a desicant (drying crystals).  The Orvis brand seems to be the best.  After catching a fish, simply wash off the fly in the stream, put it in desicant, shake, false cast once or twice and you are back in business.  If I *must* use a floatant, it is Gink or Albolene (an unscented cleanser). You can buy a 12 oz jar of Albolene in a drug store and it will last you tens of years.  Don’t ever confuse Gink with Xink, however.  I did — Adam’s sunk like a stone!  ;0) Dave LaCourse

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What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best,

"Gee"……what a question:-) — Bill

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What the general consensus on fly floating.  Who makes the best, what’s the best home made mixture and how long (number of casts/minutes) should it last?

There is no consensus because the best for natural materials (fur and feather fibre) is unlikely to be also the best for synthetics (e.g. polypropylene.)  If they can get the materials they want, many tyers use no floatant at all. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I’ve been catching some small Peacock Bass in South Florida with spun deer hair poper type of flies. I’ve seen some really big Peacock Bass hitting the top of the water, but the won’t take the small poppers. Anyone know of any paterns to attract these bigger fish? Thanks Ken Baker

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I’ve been catching some small Peacock Bass in South Florida with spun deer hair poper type of flies. I’ve seen some really big Peacock Bass hitting the top of the water, but the won’t take the small poppers. Anyone know of any paterns to attract these bigger fish?

The book `South Florida’s Peacock Bass’ by Carlos Hidalgo tells you a great deals about catching these great fish on flies. Go to my Website (URL below) and follow the link "South Florida’s Peacock Bass (Book by Carlos Hidalgo)". Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~   ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ in Seattle!                   <  <, "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/"      <<

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With a bassing guide I trained to guide a flyfisherman, I’ve fished the canals of Miami for the last 6 years and haven’t gotten a peacock over 4-5 pounds.  Maybe I’ve fished a total of 25-30 days for peacocks, so I’m no expert and take my thoughts about fishing for a grreat warmwater game fish. They are easiest to get on the surface when they are schooling.  A popper does the trick here.  Otherwise, in fishing along the edges, any popper of average size, but moved quickly without stopping (as one may do for largemouth) gets fish. Fishing just below the surface, a smartly moved clouser minnow (size 6-2) in chartreuse/white, chartreuse/yellow…anything with chartreuse does well.  Fishing the cm deeperhas the potential of getting a big fish. The easiest way to catch peacocks is when they are bedding.  Just drop the fly (easier said than when considering the way peacocks like to hide their beds in impossible places) on to the bed and the fish, both male and female, will continue to pick up the fly until either you catch him, or you say ‘enough is enough, you win…’ This method certainly isn’t the most most sporting.  Good luck. Adam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been catching some small Peacock Bass in South Florida with spun deer hair poper type of flies. I’ve seen some really big Peacock Bass hitting the top of the water, but the won’t take the small poppers. Anyone know of any paterns to attract these bigger fish? Thanks Ken Baker

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I’ve been catching some small Peacock Bass in South Florida with spun deer hair poper type of flies. I’ve seen some really big Peacock Bass hitting the top of the water, but the won’t take the small poppers. Anyone know of any paterns to attract these bigger fish? The book `South Florida’s Peacock Bass’ by Carlos Hidalgo tells you a great deals about catching these great fish on flies. Go to my Website (URL below) and follow the link "South Florida’s Peacock Bass (Book by Carlos Hidalgo)".

Carlos also has an article on flys for peacocks in the July Florida Sportsman Magazine.

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Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time.

I would like to have gone, but I don’t have a car at the moment. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow.

Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon. I just now noticed a huge swarm of those little ‘flying ants’ that make bike rides so much fun.  Spring’s definitely getting close, isn’t it?

Actually on my last bike ride out in Kings Valley the other day I saw a couple of mayflies.  Eleven days of 55+ temperature and those big stones will start crawling to shore. Say Al, I noticed Billings had a record high of 75 yesterday.  Nice! -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon.

I just now noticed a huge swarm of those little ‘flying ants’ that make bike rides so much fun.  Spring’s definitely getting close, isn’t it? Oh!  There’s another thread on this, but I did see a male W.Bluebird the weekend of the 8th while riding out to Oak Creek gate!  Gorgeous little things. BTW, Al, glad you enjoyed your trip.  Did you get a chance to fish at all? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Brrr, all this talk of shoveling snow makes me feel cold just thinking about it!! The Brown Trout season opened over here in the UK on Saturday and we had a few, just a few, hours of sunshing about mid-day. After an hour of sun a few fish remembered how to take a tiny green olive off the top..what a joy to see, it seems to have been a long dark winter. Thought it was too good to last, its been raining and a cold northerly wind has swept down from Scandinavia ever since. But the Daffodils and Primroses are showing so it won’t be long. regards…russ writes Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow.

– Russell Symons M.I.P.D

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The show was very successful, and we set attendance and sales records almost across the board.  Thanks to all those who demonstrated and attended. If you have suggestions for improving the show, let me know. Sorry I couldn’t hook up with the internet crowd – too busy with the video corner and beginners corner. V.P. Conservation      | http://porky.turbonet.com/orcfff/ | Home Page Oregon Council FFF     | (USA) (503) 753-4276              | Voice-mail Top Alerts    - 97/03/01 FFF Alert: Federal Government Considers Coho’s Future    - 97/03/12 ORC Signon: HB 2003 Undermines Camp Creek Decision    - 97/03/12 FF Alert: Belly Boat Legislation (Nevada)

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Al…anything new and exciting that you saw at the show???? Barry Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Any FF opportunties in Tennessee or shall I leave my fly rod at home? I’m going to be in Nashville on business. -steve

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Stop by Cumberland Transit Flyfishing on West End Just west of Vanderbilt U. Jim, Chris, Eric or I will try and help. We’ve had lots of rain however and the tailwaters, which are closest are running very high. Jack

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Any FF opportunties in Tennessee or shall I leave my fly rod at home? I’m going to be in Nashville on business. -steve

The Caney Fork is about 45 minutes away, but the generation schedules have been tough lately.  Both the Duck and the Elk Rivers are 1.5-2 hours away, and they generate less frequently than the Caney Fork. The CF and the Elk are good trout waters; you’ll occasionally see Browns in the range of 2-6 pounds.  There are also some trout streams west of Nashville that are not tailwaters, but I can’t give you much info on them.  I haven’t fished any of them yet. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

Yesterday(4/3), I fished the trophy section of the West Canada.  It was ridiculously fast and high, but it was worth it to get out…  Otherwise, people are catching trout in Oriskany Creek and in Sconondoa Creek (both Oneida County). Ned

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My wife and I are considering a summer vacation in the Keys and are interested in learning to fly fish.  I am soliciting information regarding fly fishing schools/camps that accommodate beginners (though I have been fishing for over 20 years (spinning)).  Any reco’s appreciated! TIA, Brian

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OK, ypu asked for it!!!….lol……. First I wouldn t go to the Key in the Simmertime…the heat is unbelieveable.. So, I suggest the Orvis School in Vermont….;or, the L L Bean School in Maine!!! However, here are some good dites in  the Keys; http://fla-keys.com:80/fishing/about.htm Flyfishing Keys http://fla-keys.com:80/fishing/index.htm Flyfishing Keys http://Florida-Keys.info-access.com:80/ here or the others: http://www.L L Bean.com http://www.alloutdoors.com/orvis/ My wife and I are considering a summer vacation in the Keys and are   interested in learning to fly fish.  I am soliciting information   regarding fly fishing schools/camps that accommodate beginners (though I   have been fishing for over 20 years (spinning)).  Any reco’s appreciated! TIA, Brian

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hmmmmm an angleworm… does that work better that a dry fly !!!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      In his book "How to Fish the Pacific Coast" author Ray Cannon made the following observation:      "The aristocrat of ocean fisherman is the surf angler.  His pride, prestige, and dignity would be shattered if he were caught fishing on a pier, a boat, or off the rocks.  He would no more fish such places than a dry-fly man would use angleworm.      "The surf man’s field is the soft, clean beach, where the foaming white breakers beat to the rhythm of the sea’s pulse and recharge the waters with effervescing oxygen.  There is no other type of fishing that seems to have such a magnetic drag on its followers.  Such is the lure of the laundered sands."     "…the surf man enjoys dealing with nature single handed.  He dislikes being surrounded with manmade contrivances and helpers to give him bait and gaff his fish.  His ideas are exactly opposite to those of the swordfish angler, who fishes from a swivel chair and has almost everything done for him, even to having the boat chase his hooked gamefish.  The surf angler likes being a lone sea wolf."      I am inclined to agree.      Good fishing,

I would be inclined to agree too, except that I like to catch fish :^) Surf fishing is the most aesthetic way to catch surf species, but the pier has it beat all to hell for results.  Plus, I always get leery of the us vs them attitude implicit in the excerpt abobe; as though one kind of fishing is better than another, or one kind of fisherman is better than another.    The line beginning with "There is no other type of fishing that seems to have such a magnetic drag on it’s followers." discounts too easily the fly fisherman on his stream chasing the mighty salmon or trout,  or the river smallmouth wader casting his jigs and plugs for that one bronzeback of a lifetime, or any of the other scenarios that we pick up over a lifetime of fishing.   I have glided across a remote canadian lake at sunset, trolling for lake trout against a background of tall pines and the calls of loons.   Is that any ‘better’ than battling your first big pike, or straining against a slammer blue in the Carolina surf, or seeing an irridescent dolphin (mahi-mahi) leap out of an azure ocean as it tries to shake your hook?     Don’t get too hung up on that beach,  you can miss a lot of great fishing, and miss meeting some good people too. I can agree with the premise though, it is exhilirating to be standing on a beach on a crisp fall morning, with a rising tide, and casting plugs or bucktails for speckled trout in the trough.  Or wading the trough in the summer, casting a strip of squid for a fat summer flounder.  Or casting spoons, bucktails, or even bare hooks with a strip of cloth for rampaging bluefish as they churn the water to a bloody froth.   The only problem is the dry periods between bites, the inability to get to the fish that are beyond the next bar, and having to haul all your stuff onto the beach. Terry —    DoD# 541                           |  no matter how good it looks."                                         |         ‘Poison’ Ivy Rorschach  

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     In his book "How to Fish the Pacific Coast" author Ray Cannon made the following observation:      "The aristocrat of ocean fisherman is the surf angler.  His pride, prestige, and dignity would be shattered if he were caught fishing on a pier, a boat, or off the rocks.  He would no more fish such places than a dry-fly man would use angleworm.      "The surf man’s field is the soft, clean beach, where the foaming white breakers beat to the rhythm of the sea’s pulse and recharge the waters with effervescing oxygen.  There is no other type of fishing that seems to have such a magnetic drag on its followers.  Such is the lure of the laundered sands."     "…the surf man enjoys dealing with nature single handed.  He dislikes being surrounded with manmade contrivances and helpers to give him bait and gaff his fish.  His ideas are exactly opposite to those of the swordfish angler, who fishes from a swivel chair and has almost everything done for him, even to having the boat chase his hooked gamefish.  The surf angler likes being a lone sea wolf."      I am inclined to agree.      Good fishing,      Mark Rosen

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