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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cross posting is never OK. Why can’t we be left in peace? Those of us who are interested in discussions about Bush’s environmental policies are more than able to subscribe to rec.backcountry or whatever and join in. But when every morning seems to bring up more anti-Bush posts than anything else, it gets old. Thanks for letting me vent… Douglas- As a long time fence sitter I see Chaka and Tom Beno and Muskie as the only ones willing to counter an anti-environmental attack in They are all the same fuck-nut. Do you think posting crap anonymously and not even reading the follow ups is countering something? You must be fuck-nut number 4. I sleep well knowing that such shut-ins and agoraphobes have no bearing on the real world. —

Agoraphobes … interesting. I’d been thinking xenophobes. Thanks.

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This is pretty funny Wolf, considering you like to prop yourself up on the lifeguard chair and look down on it all from above. You think you’re "above it all", yet in reality you are still in between the fences at the community pool. What a fool. You can blow the whistle, but your still a part of the routine.

On the contrary, my dear Bottom. Nothing could be further from my mind than staying "above it all". As a matter of fact, I dare say that a few over here in r.o.f.f. will recognize my name from my occasional participation in spirited discussions. Moreover, I’m the only person I know of who has gone on record as being a big fan of these cross posted threads for their entertainment value. That I don’t engage the gaggle of twits, gits, poltroons, and buffoons who so selflessly and gleefully and expose their appalling deficiencies more frequently should not be seen as a mark of disapproval, but rather a testament to my inability to add anything substantive to what is already a three ring circus of vacuousness, stunningly inappropriate vanity, and ignorance on a biblical scale. On the other hand, the tenor of the above quoted material and its significance will hardly be lost on the keen student, eh? :) Wolfgang oh, and it warn’t no dream.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found a neat program that attaches itself to Outlook Express and allows you to block all emails and news group posts from any individual. You never know that they still exist. Wish I could find it to share with the rest of you. Muskie, Bitterroot and Rosco no longer exist!!! This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ http://www.flyrodreel.com/conservation.html Water Wrongs The federal government is giving away our Western rivers By TED WILLIAMS ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2002, in a move that opened the way for irrigators and developers to desiccate trout streams all over the West, the Bush Administration abandoned a reserved federal water right to Colorado’s Gunnison River, one of the best trophy wild trout fisheries in America. Along with the water and fish, Bush and company also abandoned the National Park System, the National Wilderness System and all Americans who love nature, including sportsmen, most of whom supported Bush in the last election. "Sportsmen for Bush," read the bumper stickers. "I never understood [that] and still don’t," comments sportsman Mike Pennington on FR&R’s website bulletin board. But in this case at least, sportsmen have an excuse for being ill informed. The giveaway of the water right held by the Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park was conducted entirely in secret. Because the issue was being debated in Colorado’s Water Court, the National Environmental Policy Act did not kick in. The federal government’s decision required neither public hearings nor public comment. The Bush administration just ordained that a national park established around a river and its canyon "to protect the roar of the river" didn’t need water. The Clinton administration had sought to protect the public’s water rights that the Bush administration is now ceding to Western states. For example, in January 2001, Clinton’s Park Service filed an application for a natural-flow regime (including a base flow of 300 cubic feet per second) through 14-mile- long Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. Western water rights are based on seniority, and the park–established in 1933 as a national monument and upgraded in 1999–had plenty of seniority. In 1978 that seniority and right were upheld by Colorado’s Water Court, which found that the purpose of the park "is to conserve and maintain in an unimpaired condition the scenic, aesthetic, natural and historic objects of the monument, as well as the wildlife therein, in order that the monument might provide a source of recreation and enjoyment for all generations of citizens of the United States." With that, the court directed the federal government to apply for the amount of water the park needed "within five years of final decree." But since the court didn’t get around to issuing a final decree, the five-year countdown never started, and the feds didn’t come up with flow figures until President Clinton was about to leave office. The park wanted to approximate the natural conditions that had existed in the river and its canyon before 1965. That was the year the Bureau of Reclamation shut the gates on its enormous Blue Mesa dam, which backs up a million-acre- foot reservoir for irrigation and power–the toilet tank of the three-dam Aspinall Unit, named for the crusty, dam-fixated, anti-environmental US congressman Wayne Aspinall, who funneled pork into the state from 1949 to 1973. The Park Service’s mission, after all, is to protect and recreate natural processes, and, wherever practical, let them "proceed unimpeded." When it is serious about this mission, as it was under the leadership of former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, it takes the long view. And the long view is this: For about 12 million years the Gunnison sliced down through soft volcanic and sedimentary rock. Then, two million years ago, it hit the much harder Precambrian gneiss of the Gunnison Uplift. Trapped in the canyon it had already excavated, the river began eating away this metamorphic layer at the approximate rate of the thickness of one human hair per year or one inch per century until, in places, it was 2,400 feet below the rim. When this ancient process was abruptly and unnaturally curtailed in 1965 bad things began to happen. An unnatural plant community sprang up along the bottom of the canyon, constricting the channel and quickening the flow. In the canyon and far downstream the annual production of large, woody debris, so critical for trout survival, ceased, and in its place came alien plants. Rubble, clay and sand– swept down from the side canyons by the flash floods of summer–began accumulating in the main channel. The spaces under cobbles and boulders– habitat for the salmonflies that comprise a huge part of the diet of Gunnison River trout–were cemented shut. Tubifex worms, which pass whirling disease to trout, proliferated in the sediments. The Colorado Division of Wildlife has just finished an electro-fishing survey of a two-mile stretch of river just below the park. In the late 1980s, before whirling disease showed up, this stretch held 12,000 wild rainbows over six inches, 2,000 of them between 16 and 22 inches. In 2002 it held 87. Browns evolved in Europe with whirling disease, so they can usually tolerate the parasite. But because browns require structure and slower flows than rainbows, they’ve not filled the vacant niche. Dr. Jack Stanford, professor of ecology at the University of Montana, grew up around the Black Canyon and has been studying its ecology since the mid 1970s. "The river hasn’t flushed well in a long time," he told me. "Because peak flows have been so badly curtailed we have large accumulations of organic matter in backwaters. If these backwaters are flushed regularly, groundwater moves up through the gravel bars to produce a real healthy food web and very important rearing areas for trout. The terrestrial vegetation also clogs the river, creating habitat not conducive to trout. And the vegetation narrows the channel so sandbars don’t form. When I was a kid the canyon had huge sandbars. Now they’re gone or covered with plants." The sandbars and backwaters that the Park Service had hoped to restore provided critical spawning and nursery habitat for four endangered fish that evolved with high spring flows–the humpback chub, razorback sucker, bonytail chub and Colorado pikeminnow (the new PC name for squawfish). Under the Endangered Species Act state and federal managers are mandated to protect the habitat of threatened and endangered species, but the Bush administration has decided to ignore its legal responsibilities. AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, park officials applied for a year-round minimum flow of 300 cubic feet per second (cfs), shoulder flows (an average in wet years) of 800 cfs for 80 days and a one-day scouring flow of between 2,000 and 12,000 cfs, depending on available water. The Colorado Water Conservation Board already had a right to a minimum flow of 300 cfs (except in droughts when it drops to 200 cfs), but that right is inadequate for trout protection because it was established in 1965 and therefore is junior to the right of the Aspinall Unit, which was established in 1956. The Water Conservation Board and Gunnison River trout could get nothing if the current drought continues and Aspinall water is allocated for other uses. Aspinall’s right, however, is junior to the park’s, which Colorado’s Water Court says dates to 1933. So by announcing that it was going to protect Aspinall’s yield, the Bush administration threw away the water right the Park Service had worked for, planned for, and gone to court for–a right owned by the American people. "Fisheries are not built around minimum flows but around favorable flows," remarks David Nickum, director of Colorado Trout Unlimited. "A minimum flow will typically get you a minimum fishery. That’s not what we have today in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison and the Gunnison Gorge [a

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POLITICS AGAIN - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - \ This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ\ The guy who wrote the article is a staunch Republican. Get your head out of your ass moron. Even conservative outdoors mags are coming down on the Bush administration. Wake the fuck up idiot.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Does anyone here read these posts? I do. I don't agree with all the cross-posting. But most of the posts are relevant to rec.backcountry at least. People complain about the large volume of this person's posts. But each post covers a different action taken by the Bush administration to further degrade our backcountry and environment. So the large volume of posts is only a reflection of the large volume of Bush's anti-backcountry actions That in itself should be troubling to any backcountry recreationist. Anyone who supports Bush couldn't possibly care about the backcountry or the environment. It's just plain old NIMBYism. As long as Bush is trying to stick oil wells, increase logging, allow more pollution or roll back environmental protections in someone else's favorite backcountry area it's OK. Why don't you LEARN how to NOT crosspost. This asinine crossposting has screwed up alt.great-lakes. idiots -- WaIIy -- reply to: eIvez<!mindspring<!com

Agreed, if everyone trimmed the headers to only post back to the group they are in, the threads would die out fast except in groups that are interested. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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"\ POLITICS AGAIN\ No dipshit. It's a fishing article. Get your head out of your ass.

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\ Nope. In the first place, routinely cross posting to half a dozen or more news groups inhabited mainly by fools who are convinced (for no apparent reason) that they have something to say assures that he will never be ignored. Secondly, Muskie is the sort of pathetic sociopath who simply doesn't go away. Wolfgang oh, and think of the consequences if he ever DID.......ya'll would have no one but each other to play with! :)\

This is pretty funny Wolf, considering you like to prop yourself up on the lifeguard chair and look down on it all from above. You think you're "above it all", yet in reality you are still in between the fences at the community pool. What a fool. You can blow the whistle, but your still a part of the routine.

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I found a neat program that attaches itself to Outlook Express and allows you to block all emails and news group posts from any individual. You never know that they still exist. Wish I could find it to share with the rest of you. Muskie, Bitterroot and Rosco no longer exist!!!

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ http://www.flyrodreel.com/conservation.html Water Wrongs The federal government is giving away our Western rivers By TED WILLIAMS ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2002, in a move that opened the way for irrigators and developers to desiccate trout streams all over the West, the Bush Administration abandoned a reserved federal water right to Colorado's Gunnison River, one of the best trophy wild trout fisheries in America. Along with the water and fish, Bush and company also abandoned the National Park System, the National Wilderness System and all Americans who love nature, including sportsmen, most of whom supported Bush in the last election. "Sportsmen for Bush," read the bumper stickers. "I never understood [that] and still don’t," comments sportsman Mike Pennington on FR&R’s website bulletin board. But in this case at least, sportsmen have an excuse for being ill informed. The giveaway of the water right held by the Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park was conducted entirely in secret. Because the issue was being debated in Colorado’s Water Court, the National Environmental Policy Act did not kick in. The federal government’s decision required neither public hearings nor public comment. The Bush administration just ordained that a national park established around a river and its canyon "to protect the roar of the river" didn’t need water. The Clinton administration had sought to protect the public’s water rights that the Bush administration is now ceding to Western states. For example, in January 2001, Clinton’s Park Service filed an application for a natural-flow regime (including a base flow of 300 cubic feet per second) through 14-mile- long Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. Western water rights are based on seniority, and the park–established in 1933 as a national monument and upgraded in 1999–had plenty of seniority. In 1978 that seniority and right were upheld by Colorado’s Water Court, which found that the purpose of the park "is to conserve and maintain in an unimpaired condition the scenic, aesthetic, natural and historic objects of the monument, as well as the wildlife therein, in order that the monument might provide a source of recreation and enjoyment for all generations of citizens of the United States." With that, the court directed the federal government to apply for the amount of water the park needed "within five years of final decree." But since the court didn’t get around to issuing a final decree, the five-year countdown never started, and the feds didn’t come up with flow figures until President Clinton was about to leave office. The park wanted to approximate the natural conditions that had existed in the river and its canyon before 1965. That was the year the Bureau of Reclamation shut the gates on its enormous Blue Mesa dam, which backs up a million-acre- foot reservoir for irrigation and power–the toilet tank of the three-dam Aspinall Unit, named for the crusty, dam-fixated, anti-environmental US congressman Wayne Aspinall, who funneled pork into the state from 1949 to 1973. The Park Service’s mission, after all, is to protect and recreate natural processes, and, wherever practical, let them "proceed unimpeded." When it is serious about this mission, as it was under the leadership of former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, it takes the long view. And the long view is this: For about 12 million years the Gunnison sliced down through soft volcanic and sedimentary rock. Then, two million years ago, it hit the much harder Precambrian gneiss of the Gunnison Uplift. Trapped in the canyon it had already excavated, the river began eating away this metamorphic layer at the approximate rate of the thickness of one human hair per year or one inch per century until, in places, it was 2,400 feet below the rim. When this ancient process was abruptly and unnaturally curtailed in 1965 bad things began to happen. An unnatural plant community sprang up along the bottom of the canyon, constricting the channel and quickening the flow. In the canyon and far downstream the annual production of large, woody debris, so critical for trout survival, ceased, and in its place came alien plants. Rubble, clay and sand– swept down from the side canyons by the flash floods of summer–began accumulating in the main channel. The spaces under cobbles and boulders– habitat for the salmonflies that comprise a huge part of the diet of Gunnison River trout–were cemented shut. Tubifex worms, which pass whirling disease to trout, proliferated in the sediments. The Colorado Division of Wildlife has just finished an electro-fishing survey of a two-mile stretch of river just below the park. In the late 1980s, before whirling disease showed up, this stretch held 12,000 wild rainbows over six inches, 2,000 of them between 16 and 22 inches. In 2002 it held 87. Browns evolved in Europe with whirling disease, so they can usually tolerate the parasite. But because browns require structure and slower flows than rainbows, they’ve not filled the vacant niche. Dr. Jack Stanford, professor of ecology at the University of Montana, grew up around the Black Canyon and has been studying its ecology since the mid 1970s. "The river hasn’t flushed well in a long time," he told me. "Because peak flows have been so badly curtailed we have large accumulations of organic matter in backwaters. If these backwaters are flushed regularly, groundwater moves up through the gravel bars to produce a real healthy food web and very important rearing areas for trout. The terrestrial vegetation also clogs the river, creating habitat not conducive to trout. And the vegetation narrows the channel so sandbars don’t form. When I was a kid the canyon had huge sandbars. Now they’re gone or covered with plants." The sandbars and backwaters that the Park Service had hoped to restore provided critical spawning and nursery habitat for four endangered fish that evolved with high spring flows–the humpback chub, razorback sucker, bonytail chub and Colorado pikeminnow (the new PC name for squawfish). Under the Endangered Species Act state and federal managers are mandated to protect the habitat of threatened and endangered species, but the Bush administration has decided to ignore its legal responsibilities. AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, park officials applied for a year-round minimum flow of 300 cubic feet per second (cfs), shoulder flows (an average in wet years) of 800 cfs for 80 days and a one-day scouring flow of between 2,000 and 12,000 cfs, depending on available water. The Colorado Water Conservation Board already had a right to a minimum flow of 300 cfs (except in droughts when it drops to 200 cfs), but that right is inadequate for trout protection because it was established in 1965 and therefore is junior to the right of the Aspinall Unit, which was established in 1956. The Water Conservation Board and Gunnison River trout could get nothing if the current drought continues and Aspinall water is allocated for other uses. Aspinall’s right, however, is junior to the park’s, which Colorado’s Water Court says dates to 1933. So by announcing that it was going to protect Aspinall’s yield, the Bush administration threw away the water right the Park Service had worked for, planned for, and gone to court for–a right owned by the American people. "Fisheries are not built around minimum flows but around favorable flows," remarks David Nickum, director of Colorado Trout Unlimited. "A minimum flow will typically get you a minimum fishery. That’s not what we have today in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison and the Gunnison Gorge [a Bureau of Lands Management wilderness area directly downstream]. I’m very concerned that it may be what we see in the future if steps aren’t taken to protect the resource." Melinda Kassen, who directs TU’s Colorado Water Project, adds this: "If we have 300 cfs year after year, there will be no gold-medal fishery in the Gunnison River. Trout need that base flow but they also need those shoulder flows and peak flows." Because of the drought, the Bureau of Reclamation released only 250 cfs from Aspinall during the winter of 2002-03. The park’s proposal wasn’t perfect. For example, Nickum and Kassen worried that quick drawdowns after the scouring flows might leave

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You are the "DipShit" ya hypocrite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "\ POLITICS AGAIN\ No dipshit. It’s a fishing article. Get your head out of your ass.

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GYRO, why crosspost a meaningless reply to everyone? Especially including the entire original. It’s as bad as the original poster you seem to be complaining about.

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Cross posting is never OK. Why can’t we be left in peace? Those of us who are interested in discussions about Bush’s environmental policies are more than able to subscribe to rec.backcountry or whatever and join in. But when every morning seems to bring up more anti-Bush posts than anything else, it gets old. Thanks for letting me vent…

Douglas- As a long time fence sitter I see Chaka and Tom Beno and Muskie as the only ones willing to counter an anti-environmental attack in newsgroups that beagan in the late 1990’s… Posts from the likes of Vikki Eggers (a paid employees of the "Share the Trails" pro access group) and the worst of the bunch: mel-anie "sharethewoods" who you can do a quick search on and see what s/he is about. ..these two single handedly invaded the NP, backcountry and numerous other NG’s with the single intention of disirupting any positive or constructive comments and to drive away the borderline poster… If you hate the weed of troll, dig around and include the root, it’s twice as deep and three times as nasty… Elvis

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\ This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ\

The guy who wrote the article is a staunch Republican. Get your head out of your ass moron. Even conservative outdoors mags are coming down on the Bush administration. Wake the fuck up idiot.

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Cross posting is never OK. The OK method is to post seperately to every relevant group. He is a troll who will keep trolling as long as people keep replying to his trash. I keep the troll killfiled, and I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t quote his bullshit everytime. (Not you Chaka, everyone in general) His posts accomplish nothing and are the root cause of many arguments, ignore him, and he will go away.

This is the root of the problem. There are specific groups this pertains to, such as rec.backcountry, and should be kept to the environmental groups. If, for example, Chaka wants to post something specifically relating to the Great Lakes area (i.e., the Bush administration OKs power boats in the Boundary Waters), that’s on-topic and OK by me (not picking on you in any way, Chaka, BTW). But when that troll Bob Smith/Richard Dent/Esox/whothehellever posts his stuff about drilling in Alaska, or threats to streams in the Appalachians, it’s over the line and needs to be kept in the appropriate groups. I have absolutely no problem with environmental posts. Hell, I’m an environmental scientist working in CWA stuff, have been for the last eight years. But when his posts are about Alaska, or Bush’s approval ratings, all I see is a spammer. And make no mistake: any guy who jumps from free email account to free email account, not responding to anything, using a fake name, is a spammer. No different than the crap about penis enlargement and new credit cards that are overfilling my inbox every single day. I dare say that a number of people subscribing to alt.great-lakes and the flyfishing groups that were sitting on the fence as far as Bush and the environment go are now slanted against environmental protection. Why? Because they’re so pissed off with having it shoved down their throats. I know where the environmental NGs are, and I subscribe to some of them. I DON’T need to see it in alt.great-lakes every day. And I have to say it makes me unhappy that so many environmentalists seem to support this crossposting carpetbombing campaign. On several occasions, people from these satellite groups (for lack of a better term) posted politely to request the crossposting cease, only to be rudely rebuffed by apparent "environmentalists". Why can’t we be left in peace? Those of us who are interested in discussions about Bush’s environmental policies are more than able to subscribe to rec.backcountry or whatever and join in. But when every morning seems to bring up more anti-Bush posts than anything else, it gets old. I’d like as much as anyone else to have an environmentally friendly president in the White House. But to be honest, at this point, I’m as frustrated with the environmental movement as I am with, say, the pro-life movement. I’m just sick of all the in-your-face stuff, and I feel pretty alienated by it all. There are better ways to make a point. Thanks for letting me vent…

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The posts are just DNC bulletins under the environmental smokescreen.

Protecting our backcountry should not be a partisan issue. The greatest conservationist president was undoubtedly Teddy Roosevelt, a republican. I’m an independent. The reason I criticize Bush so much is not because he’s a republican, but because of his total indifference to our wilderness, Parks, Monuments, Forests, wildlife and all things environmental. Fly Rod and Reel is just the latest outdoors magazine that has had enough of Bush’s bullshit. Field and Stream criticized him and Outdoor magazine called Norton Bush’s "stealth weapon" against the backcountry and environment. If Bush got his way the whole country would be a polluted, treeless hellhole like Texas. That’s what he thinks of as the backcountry. Mile after mile after mile of barbed wire fences and oilwells. Yahooo!!!

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This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.flyrodreel.com/conservation.html Water Wrongs The federal government is giving away our Western rivers By TED WILLIAMS ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2002, in a move that opened the way for irrigators and developers to desiccate trout streams all over the West, the Bush Administration abandoned a reserved federal water right to Colorado’s Gunnison River, one of the best trophy wild trout fisheries in America. Along with the water and fish, Bush and company also abandoned the National Park System, the National Wilderness System and all Americans who love nature, including sportsmen, most of whom supported Bush in the last election. "Sportsmen for Bush," read the bumper stickers. "I never understood [that] and still don’t," comments sportsman Mike Pennington on FR&R’s website bulletin board. But in this case at least, sportsmen have an excuse for being ill informed. The giveaway of the water right held by the Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park was conducted entirely in secret. Because the issue was being debated in Colorado’s Water Court, the National Environmental Policy Act did not kick in. The federal government’s decision required neither public hearings nor public comment. The Bush administration just ordained that a national park established around a river and its canyon "to protect the roar of the river" didn’t need water. The Clinton administration had sought to protect the public’s water rights that the Bush administration is now ceding to Western states. For example, in January 2001, Clinton’s Park Service filed an application for a natural-flow regime (including a base flow of 300 cubic feet per second) through 14-mile- long Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. Western water rights are based on seniority, and the park–established in 1933 as a national monument and upgraded in 1999–had plenty of seniority. In 1978 that seniority and right were upheld by Colorado’s Water Court, which found that the purpose of the park "is to conserve and maintain in an unimpaired condition the scenic, aesthetic, natural and historic objects of the monument, as well as the wildlife therein, in order that the monument might provide a source of recreation and enjoyment for all generations of citizens of the United States." With that, the court directed the federal government to apply for the amount of water the park needed "within five years of final decree." But since the court didn’t get around to issuing a final decree, the five-year countdown never started, and the feds didn’t come up with flow figures until President Clinton was about to leave office. The park wanted to approximate the natural conditions that had existed in the river and its canyon before 1965. That was the year the Bureau of Reclamation shut the gates on its enormous Blue Mesa dam, which backs up a million-acre- foot reservoir for irrigation and power–the toilet tank of the three-dam Aspinall Unit, named for the crusty, dam-fixated, anti-environmental US congressman Wayne Aspinall, who funneled pork into the state from 1949 to 1973. The Park Service’s mission, after all, is to protect and recreate natural processes, and, wherever practical, let them "proceed unimpeded." When it is serious about this mission, as it was under the leadership of former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, it takes the long view. And the long view is this: For about 12 million years the Gunnison sliced down through soft volcanic and sedimentary rock. Then, two million years ago, it hit the much harder Precambrian gneiss of the Gunnison Uplift. Trapped in the canyon it had already excavated, the river began eating away this metamorphic layer at the approximate rate of the thickness of one human hair per year or one inch per century until, in places, it was 2,400 feet below the rim. When this ancient process was abruptly and unnaturally curtailed in 1965 bad things began to happen. An unnatural plant community sprang up along the bottom of the canyon, constricting the channel and quickening the flow. In the canyon and far downstream the annual production of large, woody debris, so critical for trout survival, ceased, and in its place came alien plants. Rubble, clay and sand– swept down from the side canyons by the flash floods of summer–began accumulating in the main channel. The spaces under cobbles and boulders– habitat for the salmonflies that comprise a huge part of the diet of Gunnison River trout–were cemented shut. Tubifex worms, which pass whirling disease to trout, proliferated in the sediments. The Colorado Division of Wildlife has just finished an electro-fishing survey of a two-mile stretch of river just below the park. In the late 1980s, before whirling disease showed up, this stretch held 12,000 wild rainbows over six inches, 2,000 of them between 16 and 22 inches. In 2002 it held 87. Browns evolved in Europe with whirling disease, so they can usually tolerate the parasite. But because browns require structure and slower flows than rainbows, they’ve not filled the vacant niche. Dr. Jack Stanford, professor of ecology at the University of Montana, grew up around the Black Canyon and has been studying its ecology since the mid 1970s. "The river hasn’t flushed well in a long time," he told me. "Because peak flows have been so badly curtailed we have large accumulations of organic matter in backwaters. If these backwaters are flushed regularly, groundwater moves up through the gravel bars to produce a real healthy food web and very important rearing areas for trout. The terrestrial vegetation also clogs the river, creating habitat not conducive to trout. And the vegetation narrows the channel so sandbars don’t form. When I was a kid the canyon had huge sandbars. Now they’re gone or covered with plants." The sandbars and backwaters that the Park Service had hoped to restore provided critical spawning and nursery habitat for four endangered fish that evolved with high spring flows–the humpback chub, razorback sucker, bonytail chub and Colorado pikeminnow (the new PC name for squawfish). Under the Endangered Species Act state and federal managers are mandated to protect the habitat of threatened and endangered species, but the Bush administration has decided to ignore its legal responsibilities. AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, park officials applied for a year-round minimum flow of 300 cubic feet per second (cfs), shoulder flows (an average in wet years) of 800 cfs for 80 days and a one-day scouring flow of between 2,000 and 12,000 cfs, depending on available water. The Colorado Water Conservation Board already had a right to a minimum flow of 300 cfs (except in droughts when it drops to 200 cfs), but that right is inadequate for trout protection because it was established in 1965 and therefore is junior to the right of the Aspinall Unit, which was established in 1956. The Water Conservation Board and Gunnison River trout could get nothing if the current drought continues and Aspinall water is allocated for other uses. Aspinall’s right, however, is junior to the park’s, which Colorado’s Water Court says dates to 1933. So by announcing that it was going to protect Aspinall’s yield, the Bush administration threw away the water right the Park Service had worked for, planned for, and gone to court for–a right owned by the American people. "Fisheries are not built around minimum flows but around favorable flows," remarks David Nickum, director of Colorado Trout Unlimited. "A minimum flow will typically get you a minimum fishery. That’s not what we have today in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison and the Gunnison Gorge [a Bureau of Lands Management wilderness area directly downstream]. I’m very concerned that it may be what we see in the future if steps aren’t taken to protect the resource." Melinda Kassen, who directs TU’s Colorado Water Project, adds this: "If we have 300 cfs year after year, there will be no gold-medal fishery in the Gunnison River. Trout need that base flow but they also need those shoulder flows and peak flows." Because of the drought, the Bureau of Reclamation released only 250 cfs from Aspinall during the winter of 2002-03. The park’s proposal wasn’t perfect. For example, Nickum and Kassen worried that quick drawdowns after the scouring flows might leave trout stranded. But the park had a good attitude and let all hands know it would be happy to work out the kinks. It let the downstream town of Delta know it didn’t want to flood the buildings that had mushroomed in the floodplain since Blue Mesa Dam started holding back spring runoff in 1965. It let upstream hay growers, about half of whom have water rights junior to, and therefore subordinate to, the park’s, know that it had no wish to cut into their profits. After all, the feds had not claimed any of the water that was legally theirs since FDR established the monument in 1933. They expressed a willingness to work with irrigators and to spare them economic hardship. It wouldn’t have been difficult. Still, the state, irrigators and developers threw a hissy

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POLITICS AGAIN!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This rant brought to you by the DNC Hq. and should be viewed accordingly. LZ http://www.flyrodreel.com/conservation.html Water Wrongs The federal government is giving away our Western rivers By TED WILLIAMS ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2002, in a move that opened the way for irrigators and developers to desiccate trout streams all over the West, the Bush Administration abandoned a reserved federal water right to Colorado’s Gunnison River, one of the best trophy wild trout fisheries in America. Along with the water and fish, Bush and company also abandoned the National Park System, the National Wilderness System and all Americans who love nature, including sportsmen, most of whom supported Bush in the last election. "Sportsmen for Bush," read the bumper stickers. "I never understood [that] and still don’t," comments sportsman Mike Pennington on FR&R’s website bulletin board. But in this case at least, sportsmen have an excuse for being ill informed. The giveaway of the water right held by the Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park was conducted entirely in secret. Because the issue was being debated in Colorado’s Water Court, the National Environmental Policy Act did not kick in. The federal government’s decision required neither public hearings nor public comment. The Bush administration just ordained that a national park established around a river and its canyon "to protect the roar of the river" didn’t need water. The Clinton administration had sought to protect the public’s water rights that the Bush administration is now ceding to Western states. For example, in January 2001, Clinton’s Park Service filed an application for a natural-flow regime (including a base flow of 300 cubic feet per second) through 14-mile- long Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. Western water rights are based on seniority, and the park–established in 1933 as a national monument and upgraded in 1999–had plenty of seniority. In 1978 that seniority and right were upheld by Colorado’s Water Court, which found that the purpose of the park "is to conserve and maintain in an unimpaired condition the scenic, aesthetic, natural and historic objects of the monument, as well as the wildlife therein, in order that the monument might provide a source of recreation and enjoyment for all generations of citizens of the United States." With that, the court directed the federal government to apply for the amount of water the park needed "within five years of final decree." But since the court didn’t get around to issuing a final decree, the five-year countdown never started, and the feds didn’t come up with flow figures until President Clinton was about to leave office. The park wanted to approximate the natural conditions that had existed in the river and its canyon before 1965. That was the year the Bureau of Reclamation shut the gates on its enormous Blue Mesa dam, which backs up a million-acre- foot reservoir for irrigation and power–the toilet tank of the three-dam Aspinall Unit, named for the crusty, dam-fixated, anti-environmental US congressman Wayne Aspinall, who funneled pork into the state from 1949 to 1973. The Park Service’s mission, after all, is to protect and recreate natural processes, and, wherever practical, let them "proceed unimpeded." When it is serious about this mission, as it was under the leadership of former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, it takes the long view. And the long view is this: For about 12 million years the Gunnison sliced down through soft volcanic and sedimentary rock. Then, two million years ago, it hit the much harder Precambrian gneiss of the Gunnison Uplift. Trapped in the canyon it had already excavated, the river began eating away this metamorphic layer at the approximate rate of the thickness of one human hair per year or one inch per century until, in places, it was 2,400 feet below the rim. When this ancient process was abruptly and unnaturally curtailed in 1965 bad things began to happen. An unnatural plant community sprang up along the bottom of the canyon, constricting the channel and quickening the flow. In the canyon and far downstream the annual production of large, woody debris, so critical for trout survival, ceased, and in its place came alien plants. Rubble, clay and sand– swept down from the side canyons by the flash floods of summer–began accumulating in the main channel. The spaces under cobbles and boulders– habitat for the salmonflies that comprise a huge part of the diet of Gunnison River trout–were cemented shut. Tubifex worms, which pass whirling disease to trout, proliferated in the sediments. The Colorado Division of Wildlife has just finished an electro-fishing survey of a two-mile stretch of river just below the park. In the late 1980s, before whirling disease showed up, this stretch held 12,000 wild rainbows over six inches, 2,000 of them between 16 and 22 inches. In 2002 it held 87. Browns evolved in Europe with whirling disease, so they can usually tolerate the parasite. But because browns require structure and slower flows than rainbows, they’ve not filled the vacant niche. Dr. Jack Stanford, professor of ecology at the University of Montana, grew up around the Black Canyon and has been studying its ecology since the mid 1970s. "The river hasn’t flushed well in a long time," he told me. "Because peak flows have been so badly curtailed we have large accumulations of organic matter in backwaters. If these backwaters are flushed regularly, groundwater moves up through the gravel bars to produce a real healthy food web and very important rearing areas for trout. The terrestrial vegetation also clogs the river, creating habitat not conducive to trout. And the vegetation narrows the channel so sandbars don’t form. When I was a kid the canyon had huge sandbars. Now they’re gone or covered with plants." The sandbars and backwaters that the Park Service had hoped to restore provided critical spawning and nursery habitat for four endangered fish that evolved with high spring flows–the humpback chub, razorback sucker, bonytail chub and Colorado pikeminnow (the new PC name for squawfish). Under the Endangered Species Act state and federal managers are mandated to protect the habitat of threatened and endangered species, but the Bush administration has decided to ignore its legal responsibilities. AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, park officials applied for a year-round minimum flow of 300 cubic feet per second (cfs), shoulder flows (an average in wet years) of 800 cfs for 80 days and a one-day scouring flow of between 2,000 and 12,000 cfs, depending on available water. The Colorado Water Conservation Board already had a right to a minimum flow of 300 cfs (except in droughts when it drops to 200 cfs), but that right is inadequate for trout protection because it was established in 1965 and therefore is junior to the right of the Aspinall Unit, which was established in 1956. The Water Conservation Board and Gunnison River trout could get nothing if the current drought continues and Aspinall water is allocated for other uses. Aspinall’s right, however, is junior to the park’s, which Colorado’s Water Court says dates to 1933. So by announcing that it was going to protect Aspinall’s yield, the Bush administration threw away the water right the Park Service had worked for, planned for, and gone to court for–a right owned by the American people. "Fisheries are not built around minimum flows but around favorable flows," remarks David Nickum, director of Colorado Trout Unlimited. "A minimum flow will typically get you a minimum fishery. That’s not what we have today in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison and the Gunnison Gorge [a Bureau of Lands Management wilderness area directly downstream]. I’m very concerned that it may be what we see in the future if steps aren’t taken to protect the resource." Melinda Kassen, who directs TU’s Colorado Water Project, adds this: "If we have 300 cfs year after year, there will be no gold-medal fishery in the Gunnison River. Trout need that base flow but they also need those shoulder flows and peak flows." Because of the drought, the Bureau of Reclamation released only 250 cfs from Aspinall during the winter of 2002-03. The park’s proposal wasn’t perfect. For example, Nickum and Kassen worried that quick drawdowns after the scouring flows might leave trout stranded. But the park had a good attitude and let all hands know it would be happy to work out the kinks. It let the downstream town of Delta know it didn’t want to flood the buildings that had mushroomed in the floodplain since

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The posts are just DNC bulletins under the environmental smokescreen. Strictly for gullible morons who haven’t paid attention to the issues. LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone here read these posts? I do. I don’t agree with all the cross-posting. But most of the posts are relevant to rec.backcountry at least. People complain about the large volume of this person’s posts. But each post covers a different action taken by the Bush administration to further degrade our backcountry and environment. So the large volume of posts is only a reflection of the large volume of Bush’s anti-backcountry actions That in itself should be troubling to any backcountry recreationist. Anyone who supports Bush couldn’t possibly care about the backcountry or the environment. It’s just plain old NIMBYism. As long as Bush is trying to stick oil wells, increase logging, allow more pollution or roll back environmental protections in someone else’s favorite backcountry area it’s OK.

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Stories, Veracity, Experience, Knowledge, and the relative impact of such.

Question:

Several people e-mailed, asking if these stories are true…….

Never doubted your veracity myself. As a matter of fact, it never occurred to me to wonder whether or not any of your stories are true. Now that the subject has been broached, I am forced to wonder why anyone would concern him or her self with such a question. There is no doubt in my feeble little mind that "Huckleberry Finn", "Gulliver’s Travels", and perhaps even "A Midsummer Night’s Dream" would fail the test of scholarly historiography. Should this prove to be the case, I suspect that they would all nevertheless continue to draw readers and furthermore, that it would not detract one whit from the truth contained in these timeless stories. In other words, fuck ‘em. You go Mike. Wolfgang

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Several people e-mailed, asking if these stories are true, and if so, how on earth such things could happen to me…

Hi Mike, I do enjoy this stuff: up to your usual form. I have tried to e-mail you privately, but have had no replies. Is it not getting through? Best & Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Had a little problem with some software. Maybe that is the reason ? I saw no posts from you recently. Lookout Distress is once again living up to its name, coupled with the arcane machinations of the German Telecom, it makes Brown trucks look like heavenly chariots. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several people e-mailed, asking if these stories are true, and if so, how on earth such things could happen to me… Hi Mike, I do enjoy this stuff: up to your usual form. I have tried to e-mail you privately, but have had no replies. Is it not getting through? Best & Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Thanks Chris, very kind of you to say so. Care must be taken in some instances though, not all of my exploits and methods are suitable for emulation. My track record with poachers for instance is quite abysmal. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —- Mike, I for one enjoy your vast knowledge and experiences. I never thought for a moment that they did not ring of truth and I have employed some of your past suggestions with success, I might mention.

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I had trouble shooting Teel when I first started duck hunting. It was because they fly much faster than the other ducks. I consistently shot behind them. I finally got so I could hit one, but never could hit a Snipe. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you spend a great deal of time and energy on something, several things tend to occur. You become fairly good at it, and you experience a lot more things than if you only occasionally did it. A few weeks ago, I was out duck hunting (OBROFF: gathering CDC feathers.) I had just flushed a flock of mallards out of a slough, and I was crouched down in the grass hoping some of them might come back, when a pair of blue wing teal appeared out of nowhere, crossed in front of me and settled on opposite edge of the water, out of range. I sat still for another 15 minutes or so with one eye on the teal and one eye on the horizon, where the mallards were still flying. There was a sound of wingbeats overhead and suddenly there was an enormous redtailed hawk, hot in pursuit of the teal. The teal dove underwater, but the water was only a foot or so deep so the hawk had no trouble following them, hovering over the water, wings beating furiously like a huge kestrel. The teal eventually made good their escape, flying right past me. I suppose I could have shot them fairly easily, but it didn’t seem quite right. I just stared, filled with awe and wonderment at my good fortune to have been a witness. I would have never seen it happen if I hadn’t been out there, and what possible other reason could I have to be crouched down in the weeds next to a slough out on the prairie? I think I have posted before my belief that the reason we go out hunting or fishing or whatever is not so much to gather fish or game (unless we seriously need the food), but to gather interesting stories to tell. The fishing is fun, but it is also a reason to get out of the house and out into the world and let things happen to us. Kevin

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<snipped, but deeply appreciated —- Mike, I for one enjoy your vast knowledge and experiences. I never thought for a moment that they did not ring of truth and I have employed some of your past suggestions with success, I might mention. The reason some people may question your veracity could be that the have led colorless lives themselves and are judging your life experience against the standard of being a spector of life instead of participating in life as you have. In a given week, I tend to do a lot of different things. When someone asked me how I did so many things, I told them, simply, "I do not own a television." I have a VCR player hooked to a video monitor for some of my instructional videos that I own, but I NEVER watch television. Since the average American, according to one source, watches an astounding 40+ hours of television a week, it is small wonder where I find the "extra" time to indulge myself in my many varied interests. —- Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying." – Woody Allen

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—– So is my experience with Game Wardens, as it so happens <G — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying." – Woody Allen

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Mike, Some have doubted the veracity of my many misadventures, but any doubts were laid to rest at the Rappahanock Clave (read Frank meets tent stake). Your stories are so wonderful because we, as a group, can identify with the situations. As a whole, I’m sure it would take the combined experience of ROFF to match your own. We thank you for sharing yours. We will not match yours (thinking about going beak to beak with an owl is a tough way to get into PETA’s bad boy book. Go strangle a pheasant me boyo. Very proper that.). We will however, experience that vicarious thrill of looking at the world through your eyes as we slog through the day-to-day life with our commutes and lousy jobs. Your every story conjurs up the fun of a Guy Fawkesian tale. You have the unwitting anti-hero (you), the protagonist (the sea,a crazed bus driver, a policeman), an injured victim (an owl or the bloomin bloomerless WI) and a common thread of life just outside of the bounds of control, a train wreck waiting to happen. I will often piggy back on your stories. Like stories around a campfire, or more properly, in front of a fire in a ghillie hut, single malt in hand, they become seeds for other stories and ROFF threads. I’m glad you’re back. Frank Reid Before you buy.

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I would have never seen it happen if I hadn’t been out there, and what possible other reason could I have to be crouched down in the weeds next to a slough out on the prairie?

That’s an astonishing observation, Kevin. I’ve felt the same thing on many occasions. People who don’t hunt or fish can’t really understand what it’s like to experience this stuff. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Too bad, Keith at Grindstone Angling has been bugging me about finding him some snipe. I could’ve gotten a pretty penny out of him if you were any good. :) I was holding out on him, but he recently got his own computer and you’d never guess who he dug up all by hisself. Mike, truth always has been stranger than fiction. I look on your stories as a life spent in an endless "Carry On" movie. There are far worse fates. :) A rich life always appears untrue to those who rarely try to extend their lives beyond the poverty of their spirit. Peter

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If you spend a great deal of time and energy on something, several things tend to occur. You become fairly good at it, and you experience a lot more things than if you only occasionally did it.

A few weeks ago, I was out duck hunting (OBROFF: gathering CDC feathers.) I had just flushed a flock of mallards out of a slough, and I was crouched down in the grass hoping some of them might come back, when a pair of blue wing teal appeared out of nowhere, crossed in front of me and settled on opposite edge of the water, out of range. I sat still for another 15 minutes or so with one eye on the teal and one eye on the horizon, where the mallards were still flying. There was a sound of wingbeats overhead and suddenly there was an enormous redtailed hawk, hot in pursuit of the teal. The teal dove underwater, but the water was only a foot or so deep so the hawk had no trouble following them, hovering over the water, wings beating furiously like a huge kestrel. The teal eventually made good their escape, flying right past me. I suppose I could have shot them fairly easily, but it didn’t seem quite right. I just stared, filled with awe and wonderment at my good fortune to have been a witness. I would have never seen it happen if I hadn’t been out there, and what possible other reason could I have to be crouched down in the weeds next to a slough out on the prairie? I think I have posted before my belief that the reason we go out hunting or fishing or whatever is not so much to gather fish or game (unless we seriously need the food), but to gather interesting stories to tell. The fishing is fun, but it is also a reason to get out of the house and out into the world and let things happen to us. Kevin

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Several people e-mailed, asking if these stories are true, and if so, how on earth such things could happen to me. I have attempted to explain this in the past, I seem to remember even on here, but for those who missed it the first time, ( assuming I did in fact explain it before on here), here it is again. Well, first of all, for quite a long time, I was so fanatical about fishing, that I often went seven days a week, I did not much care where, or for what, I simply took every available opportunity, and even if none was apparently available, I made one. Sometimes I only went for an hour, school, work, and other things allowing, ( and often even if they did not allow it, school bored me to death, and I rarely attended, I went fishing instead), and sometimes I disappeared for days, or even weeks. During these times, all I did was fish, and read, and what I read was also mostly about fishing. When I first started seriously fishing, the main reason was to catch fish for food. As it was absolutely imperative that I catch something to eat, I did not mess about very much, if at all, I made a point of discovering the best methods, ( for "best", read, "most successful in terms of edible fish caught "), and applied them diligently, with considerable success. Not all of these methods were equally enjoyable, some were certainly not "fair", although to me all were enjoyable to some extent, (even hauling nets at sea, or longlining, which I also did for a while), but most were extremely successful, when correctly practiced, and as enjoyment was not the main driving factor, this did not really matter in any case. What I am trying to explain here, is that the enjoyment was more or less completely incidental initially. Fishing was not a way of "killing time", or "pursuing an interest", "a hobby", or all the other various euphemisms one often hears for various pastimes. It was a way of obtaining food for nothing, and it was also very cheap, healthy, and fulfilling entertainment. I never considered fishing, or anything even remotely connected with it to be work, although I knew a few who did. If you spend a great deal of time and energy on something, several things tend to occur. You become fairly good at it, and you experience a lot more things than if you only occasionally did it. If the subject also interests you per se, and you also perhaps have a certain talent for it, then you get even better at it, you really have no choice in the matter, it is a simple progression. One thing leads to another. Before I was twenty years old I had caught more fish, and spent more time on the water, often in the company of experts, than many men will ever do in their whole lifetimes. For years I gave lessons in tying and casting to various local clubs, spent weekends teaching fly-fishing for the local water authority, giving fly-dressing demos at various fairs, ( long before tying became as popular as it is now), etc etc etc. In the years that followed, the frequency of my trips decreased of course, you may play truant from school with relative impunity, but if you play truant from work you will eventually be sacked.( Fired ! ). Nevertheless, I still managed to spend a great deal of time on the water, or involved in some way. I had become firm friends with many other anglers, and people connected with angling, and because of this, I received opportunities which others did not. Anything to do with fishing interested me, and I went out of my way to be part of anything at all where fish or fishing was involved. All the time my interest remained steady, and I read every book or magazine that I could lay my hands on. When I got the chance, I went fishing with others, some of them already world or at least nationally renowned experts at that time, others perhaps less well known, but experts nonetheless, and of course with lots of other people, who were neither well known nor experts. All contributed to my angling education. Much of what I read, learned, or simply saw, I immediately put into practice. What I could not buy, I built, ( basically why I started tying flies as well ), insofar as it was within my capabilities to do so. Astoundingly enough, one discovers fairly early on that most things are not that hard to do, what one man can invent or design, another man can build, given reasonable intelligence, time, persistence, and materials. Simply attempting this, hones your capabilities automatically, until you reach a point where you find very few things difficult. At a fairly early point during these years, the need to catch fish for food decreased, and eventually disappeared entirely, but my enthusiasm for fishing did not, and I continued reading about it, and fishing a great deal, but now purely for enjoyment, the fish having become an incidental bonus to the entertainment, and so it has remained to this day. Apparently I have a very selective, but almost photographic memory, for things concerning fishing. It took me almost fifteen years before I finally managed to remember my wife’s birthday, but I only have to see a fly pattern once, and it is fixed forever in my memory. I can not remember my own mobile phone number for more than a day, and constantly have to look it up, but I can remember every single run on every single river or stream I have ever fished with brilliant clarity. Even those I fished over thirty years ago. Although a fairly good navigator, and with an excellent sense of direction, I can not remember a street in a city which I visited last week, but I can find my way across the North York Moors, from any point you care to mention, to any stream or valley within hundreds of square miles with absolutely pin-point accuracy, in the pitch dark, with no moon or stars and in heavy snow or fog. I can do the same here, in the Lueneburger Heide. I have no idea why I can do this, or even how, I just can. I wish I did know, I would certainly apply the talent to something else if I possibly could. I can not remember whether it rained yesterday, but I can remember every sizeable fish I have ever caught, where I caught it, how I caught it, and what the weather conditions were at the time. I can "see" these things in my mind, like a film which may be rewound and replayed at will. I could give more examples, but I suppose you get the drift. Regarding actually fishing, if I absolutely must catch a fish, then I do, I do not find it particularly difficult. Nowadays I do not bother with extremely productive methods much, as I find other methods more enjoyable, even though they are less productive. The size of fish caught has ceased to bother me very much, although it is nice to catch a large one now and then, as the fight is simply more interesting and challenging. Somebody on here said ( I believe it was Willi actually ), some time ago now, that he had more or less ceased nymphing, as although it was extremely productive in terms of fish, it was hard work, and got boring after a while. I feel much the same about some methods. It is just too easy, although perhaps hard work, and therefore not worth the bother. This doubtless sounds extremely arrogant, but it is nevertheless simple fact. Catching one very difficult fish from a challenging position, or for other reasons, ( actually regardless of size ) is much more enjoyable than banging out a dozen in double quick time with an easy method, or because the fish are madly on the feed, and have thrown caution to the winds. Unfortunately this applies to many "new" methods as well. There are not many angling books I have not read, and there are not many methods, tackle, or materials, I do not at least know something about. Once read or seen, never forgotten. I can even remember shotting patterns somebody once showed me, again over thirty years ago. Often I am quite amused when I read about some "new" method of tying flies, or casting, or a host of other things. Invariably these things are not new at all, and in all likelihood have been around for quite a while, in some cases for centuries. I remember being extremely crushed over thirty five years ago, when I sent in a parachute version of the Greenwell

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » Strike indicators

Strike indicators

Question:

Guiding is a very tough business and dealing with cranks who won’t do as they’re told to catch fish has to be frustrating. I mean, one of the ways that a guide evaluates his own job performance is to tally up the fish count and I don’t have a problem with that per se. But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line. Nothing against those who do, strictly a personal foible, but catching a fish just ain’t all THAT friggin’ important. — Ken Fortenberry- tired of arguing politics, but not tired of arguing

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I’ve never been on a guided fishing (or hunting, or anything) trip, but if the client won’t listen, well, what can you do… I have worked as a deckhand on Halibut charters in Alaska, and the first instruction to the clients (known affectionately as ‘pukers’) is to hold the weight when the hook is being baited. It’s often a 2 lb. lead, and holding the hook doesn’t stop it from swinging. Getting beaned by a 2 lb. lead can leave one hell of a goose egg on the ol’ noggin. Still, there’s always a couple of pukers every year that don’t listen–and guess who pays the price… I’ve never used a strike indicator, as such. This past summer, I had the privilege of fishing with Mark Faulkner on Spring Creek near Bellefonte, PA. He introduced me to the ‘dry as an indicator’ method, which seems like a good idea and could catch fish now and then, too. I’ve got a friend who ties his own leaders and uses Stren HiVis Gold for some of the thicker sections of his leaders as a sort of ‘in-line indicator’. In general, though, I’ll have to agree. Bobbers (by any other name, still a bobber) and fly fishing don’t mix. Tom G how about them Nittany Lions, eh? Before you buy.

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But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line.

Why would you use a bobber with a dry? You don’t mean you are nymphing, do you? Why, that’s just like using freeze dried bait<g. — Charlie…

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But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line. Nothing against those who do, strictly a personal foible, but catching a fish just ain’t all THAT friggin’ important.

Yeah but what about those bloody mud sucking fish who don’t show a trace of having taken the fly – or are you only talking about bobbers and not yarn strike indicators. — Ken Fortenberry- tired of arguing politics, but not tired of arguing

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I use a bivisible about 18" to 2′ up from a dry. These old eyes just can’t see a #22 or #24 midge dry 30" away. Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line. Why would you use a bobber with a dry? You don’t mean you are nymphing, do you? Why, that’s just like using freeze dried bait<g. — Charlie…

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My, perhaps odd, definitions: strike indicator – anything that indicates a fish has taken a fly – leader, knots, line, floaties – and the fly! especially ones with wings to see for miles. Bobber – a device that suspends a fly at a fixed depth- leader, line, knots, floaties and a fly itself could be in that class (eg: parachute tied apart from body so it suspends body well below film) IMO, leaving floaties out of these groups still leaves a whole lot of strike indicators and bobbers that you are using. If you ever de/grease a leader … Steve (As ever – just tired – apologies if this shows up twice

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There’s a whole range of "indicators" ranging from a "bobber" to a colored a colored leader link, that I seem to remember you use. The question is how far are you willing to go? A colored leader butt, a smear of flor. putty on the leader knots, a dry fly as an indicator, yarn, cork, foam, etc. etc. etc. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Guiding is a very tough business and dealing with cranks who won’t do as they’re told to catch fish has to be frustrating. I mean, one of the ways that a guide evaluates his own job performance is to tally up the fish count and I don’t have a problem with that per se. But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line. Nothing against those who do, strictly a personal foible, but catching a fish just ain’t all THAT friggin’ important. — Ken Fortenberry- tired of arguing politics, but not tired of arguing

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Ken Fortenberry writes: But it will be a cold day in hell before Ken Fortenberry is caught using a gawdamn bobber on a fly line. Nothing against those who do, strictly a personal foible, but catching a fish just ain’t all THAT friggin’ important.

Man, you’ll say just about *anything* to get in an argument. <g So, tell me, old wise one, how are you going to detect strikes? You *could* watch the end of your floating line, that’ll work. But then you are using *it* as a strike indicator. So, to be a purist, you can not watch your line — it’s a strike indicator. Aha, you will go by feel, right? Well, for every fish you feel take the nymph, 99 have preceeded him. And if you *feel* it, the fish has caught itself; you had nothing to do with it. That ain’t fishing. That’s hookin’! <g Best to stay home and fish parachute Adams. But I am looking forward to seeing you on the SJ. Should be a great time. Dave L.

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Best to stay home and fish parachute Adams. But I am looking forward to seeing you on the SJ. Should be a great time.

We should be able to find some fish midging on the surface or feeding on midge clusters. Willi

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Bob Instead of the #22-24 midges . . . why not go to a Griffets Knat in a 16 or 18. The rationale is that the midges are hatching from egg clusters just under the surface. The GK mimics the dimple of the egg cluster in the meniscus, the fish are usually slurping the egg clusters anyway (not the midges) and ITS BIG EFUFF to SEE. There is no way that #24 is going to look like anything real with the tippit and knot, with any daylight at all. Dave

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My understanding of midge clusters is that they hatch as individuals and then the clusters are formed when the adults gather in groups in the slow water near the banks. These masses of midges can be VERY large in fertile waters. Current wind etc. will break off parts of these masses and the fish will take these clusters. Sometimes there aren’t enough clusters around for the fish to key into them. Often the fish will key into feeding on individual pupas either in or just under the film. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is no way that #24 is going to look like anything real with the tippit and knot, with any daylight at all. Dave

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I’m on the fence on this one. I far prefer to fish without an indicator, but I will use when I feel it’s warranted. My home water contains a large number of fish that feed on midge larvae. Their take is extremely subtle, and I do often fish for them with an indicator. On the other hand, I fished in Northern New Hampshire for a week, using mainly nymphs, and was quite successful without once using an indicator. Faster water, larger flies, more aggressive fish, all make a difference. I definitely agree that guides rely far to much on using indicators, especially when teaching beginners. Many newbies I’ve observed the past few years never remove the indicator, even when attempting to fish dry. One afternoon in New Hampshire, I was fishing across the stream from a couple who had hired a guide as an instructor. He was spending most of his time with the wife, (big surprise), and had her casting reasonably well with a huge indicator about 3′ above some sort of nymph. After about a half hour, fish began to rise, I tied on a #14 Usual, and caught three or four fish in short order. The guide asked me what I was using, but never once suggested that either one of his sports switch over to a dry. Too bad, because the woman was in a perfect position for a long drift over several good fish. Would have been an ideal opportunity to introduce her to the joys of catching fish on a dry. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I’ve always liked the fact that you and I have similar fishing tastes and likes. However on your upcoming trip to the Juan, and IF the fish are not keying on the emergers in the surface film, you will more than likely be fishing midges in the 22-26 range, a bobber is almost a requirement, along with ability to mend, mend, mend, and then mend again. I spent an entire morning ignoring my guide and a more experienced Juan fisherman, only when I acquiensed and used the indicator could I detect the strikes. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Willi writes: We should be able to find some fish midging on the surface or feeding on midge clusters.

I’m planning on it, Willi. But, after tying some of these iddybiddythingies, I doubt I’ll be able to see ‘em on the water! <g Now, a big old yarn indicator — easy to see!!!!! d;0) Dave

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Willi, Some of my recent tying attempts are #18 Griffith’s Gnats. Are these small enough for the San Juan? I’ve got some #20 and #22 hooks on order just in case. Danl (home today with back spasms. its hell gettin old) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We should be able to find some fish midging on the surface or feeding on midge clusters. Willi

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I’m going to be indelicate again (but not irrelevant) – weren’t you using one of the Muskegon. <g But we drew the line at egg flies, eh? BTW – the P. Charles distinction between bobbers and strike indicators. === A bobber will float your rig, a strike indicator won’t. Peter – the honest broker who admits to using a bobber ’cause he can’t nymph fish worth a shit, especially without one.

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We should be able to find some fish midging on the surface or feeding on midge clusters.

That’s my understanding as well, and one of the reasons I decided to make the trip. Somewhere between France and Urbana is a silk flyline with my name on it. It will be here in time to be spooled up on a Hardy Princess for use on an old Granger Aristocrat. Can’t think of a better place to wet a new flyline for the first time than with a bunch of ROFFians on a world famous trout stream. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ken, please ask Mr. Fortenberry to define "strike indicator" for us if he wouldn’t mind. –Steve

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: So, tell me, old wise one, how are you going to detect strikes? [...] : feel take the nymph, 99 have preceeded him. And if you *feel* it, Ya know, the best of ‘em simply *know* when a fish has taken… JonCook. — Not that I’m one of them, but I bet Willi is

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1. all the pins are down 2. you cross a picket line 3. your nose is bleeding 4. there are lines through all of your letters 5. the player is walking back to the dugout —

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I’m going to be indelicate again (but not irrelevant) – weren’t you using one of the Muskegon. <g

Yes, that was a gift from Herman Nijland, an ingenious piece of work involving a very small metal ring and a piece of yarn, a "hinged leader system" I believe he called it. I still have it somewhere, but it’s not really my cup of tea and I didn’t use it for the steelhead, those I dredged up with a small black stonefly nymph and no indicator. But we drew the line at egg flies, eh?

And the poor guide looked to be close to tears when we told him so. BTW – the P. Charles distinction between bobbers and strike indicators. === A bobber will float your rig, a strike indicator won’t.

As good a distinction as any. If I’m gettin’ skunked and the guide is taking it personally, I could probably be convinced to catch a fish using whatever flyfishing method is legal in that locale. I’m not impervious to a guide’s discomfort, but someone coined a phrase one time about the customer always being right. — Ken Fortenberry

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Regarding the SJ: You’ve got to be pretty damn slick up there to NEVER use an indicator because 1. sometimes the fish are deep and/or the water’s not clear enough to see them 2. their take is notoriously subtle. I use everything from a big yarn ball 11 ft from my flies to a small foam one to a dry fly to nothing, watching for my leader/tippet to straighten. And yes i fish plenty of dries. Hopefully Channer will be there to provide tips to those who don’t want any lead or yarn on their leader. Less discriminating flyfishers can cut a "lifetime supply" of yarn from my spool and follow me. I fish nymphs, dries, and emergers there and with nymphs and emergers and even sometimes dries i’ll have an indicator of some type. Dave, a size 22 with a knot and everything still looks like a midge, and on some days on that river you’ll catch twice as many fish with a 24 and even more on a 26, no kidding. bruce h Before you buy.

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Ah, the irony! Striking a blow for Piscatorial Purity — the silk line, the venerable rod and reel, the death-before-strike-indicators stance — on the banks of the San Juan river, a place where flyfishing for trout wouldn’t even exist were it not for that big ole dam and its tailwaterrific releases! Course, I usually wear plus-fours to the mini-golf course , – sid

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Ah, the irony! …

How true. Must be something in the air this fall. Ds arguing for states rights, R’s looking to the federal courts for injunctive relief and yours truly fishin’ a tailwater. Can the apocalypse be far behind ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Willi writes: We should be able to find some fish midging on the surface or feeding on midge clusters. I’m planning on it, Willi. But, after tying some of these iddybiddythingies, I doubt I’ll be able to see ‘em on the water! <g Now, a big old yarn indicator — easy to see!!!!! d;0)

Any surface fishing will probably be to individual fish in slow water areas. It’s best to fish these from upstream letting the fly drift down before the tippet. Even if you can’t see the fly, you have a pretty good idea where it is and you can strike on the take. I’ve only fished the Juan a couple of times but when I did, I found that you could drag your fly directly into the correct feeding lane several feet above the rising fish without disturbing it. The rest is timing the drift, getting a drag free one and having an acceptable fly. The fish don’t get put down easilly and they will give you many chances (which you’ll probably need.) Willi

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Miramichi Fishing

Miramichi Fishing

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I went in midaugust. Pretty slow. Lost one fish and two missed strikes in 2.5 days of fishing. A friend caught 4 fish in 3 days, and a guy who was a bigtime flyfishing bum and former snake river guide had three. check with doaks for latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I fished it once for a week in early October. Caught one small fish. My guide told me that his favorite time was the first two weeks of July. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Friend sof mine are on th eMiramichi this week. You can find up to date information at http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/index.html Enjoy Tom. — Thomas Hackmann "Live simply, so that others may simply live." To reply delete XPLEASENOSPAMX from email address.

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.: This may be a late reply, but I fish the Little Southwest and Northwest Miramichi rivers every weekend. They have been OK. The LSW has generally been better. The Main Southwest by all accounts is full of fish right now. The water is low, and with a bit of rain the fishing should be great for the last two weeks. JB

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Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Slightly OT: Childrens book recommendation

Slightly OT: Childrens book recommendation

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One of the best ways to share the world with a child, is through books. Read about it, then go do it. Your child will do the same with his children.

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My son and I just got finished reading "Blackberries in the Dark" by Mavis Jukes. It’s about a young boys first experience fly fishing. I’ll skip the reviews. However, my eight year old loved it and wants to me to read it to him again tomorrow night. It’s 60 pages and was under $4.00. Paul

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Paul I don’t ever consider introducing a young one to fly fishing, even if only in a book, as off topic. How many of us grew up reading adventures into space with Heinlein or the like. We grew up looking to the astronauts as heros. Perhaps if some of those adventures had involved fly fishermen, I would have looked on my father as the true hero that he was just that little bit earlier. Thank you for helping us find some thing that we can start that sharing process with our young ones. Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son and I just got finished reading "Blackberries in the Dark" by Mavis Jukes. It’s about a young boys first experience fly fishing. I’ll skip the reviews. However, my eight year old loved it and wants to me to read it to him again tomorrow night. It’s 60 pages and was under $4.00. Paul

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Thanks. I’ll check it out. Joe F.

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Heinlein, Asimov, and others! "Oh Those Golden Ships"! So many dreams, all of great value even if unrealized. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Belgrade Lakes

Belgrade Lakes

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In the same area there are some pretty good brookie ponds, and the kennebec river, particularly in the streach between Waterville and Augusta yieds some excellant brown trout (more pics on trouman’s page, including me with a 27" brown). Not bad for late fall fishing… tight lines dave

Not to mention for those bassers among us, the Kennebec downstream of Skowhegan is an excellent trout AND smallmouth fishery. I travel over 2400 miles, twice a year, for the best smallie fishing I’ve ever had. Average size seems to run 14" more or less. My biggest last year was a nice 19 incher. I haven’t had to go down after them, just toss a Sneaky Pete to the bank or blow-down and hang on! I see folks motor right up to the rapids below the dam and catch trout. You just know there are smallies up there too. Ya gotta love it!! Frank (is it spring yet?) Church

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Frank you should try the river just below where Messelonski stream comes in, as soon as the current slows a bit there is about 15-16 miles of very good smallie waters. dave dave’s homepage madness – flyfishing in Maine and more http://www.midmaine.com/~dbottom Not to mention for those bassers among us, the Kennebec downstream of Skowhegan is an excellent trout AND smallmouth fishery. Frank (is it

spring yet?) Church

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I have fished Long Pond for 6 years the week before Memorial day. It is a great small mouth fishery. I fish for salmon before sunup until about 7:30AM drifting a live shiner ( G-D forgive me) & have caught 4-5 fish less than 16" in the six years.The fish are 35 feet down or deeper the holes are 90-100" deep). I see lots of boats trolling lead core lines. Don’t see much catching. The time to fly fish for them is right after ice out & I think they just troll salmon flies.

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Belgrade lakes is a nice, but well settled area just outside Augusta, Maine. The salmon and trout fishery has gone downhill as northern pike were inadvertantly introduced into the waters in the 1980’s (courtesy of the NY state fish hatcheries who shipped some alleged landlock salmon fry that turned out to be pike). The pike fishing is turning out to be really good, my old boss took a 26lb on a streamer (pics located at http://w3.ime.net/~troutman/shame.html ). There are still some salmon and brookies in these lakes and the possibility of getting a large one is still fair. The possibility of getting a big pike is greater. There are camps on Long pond in Belgrade with boat rentals if you need them, the Village Inn in Belgrade is a great resturaunt. You can even (shudder) rent lake lice (jet skis) at the dam in Belgrade. In the same area there are some pretty good brookie ponds, and the kennebec river, particularly in the streach between Waterville and Augusta yieds some excellant brown trout (more pics on trouman’s page, including me with a 27" brown). If landlocks are your bag, I recommend you take a look at either the Rapid River (near Rangly), the East Branch of the Kennebec (Rockland) or the West Branch of the Penoboscot (Millinocket). Later in the season you can fish for schoolie stripers on the lower Kennebec from Augusta to the sea. Just before Christmas a friend of mine took a 29" 12+ lb brown on the Kennebec in Augusta. Not bad for late fall fishing… tight lines dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I received a vacation kit from Maine inland fisheries. I found it interesting that three of the five landlocked salmon over fve pounds caught in the state in 1997 came from Long Pond in the Belgrade lake region. Is anyone familiar with the area? How is the fishing? Accomodations? other recreation? Anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.

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I received a vacation kit from Maine inland fisheries. I found it interesting that three of the five landlocked salmon over fve pounds caught in the state in 1997 came from Long Pond in the Belgrade lake region. Is anyone familiar with the area? How is the fishing? Accomodations? other recreation? Anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Tying » Orlando area shops?

Orlando area shops?

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The Fly Fisherman is a true FF shop they can accomidate you for fresh and saltwater, they also have a store in Titusville (you can FF for redfish in the indian river and mosquito lagoon area). Dominic Pruitt Cary, NC (Relatives in Orlando area)

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Dear Joseph There are two excellent fishing shops Jumbo Sports and The Fly Fisherman, they are both in the yellow pages. I visitedthem while i was on holiday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ | TesserAct Studios ()X Darwin (; Now on the Web at | Cincinnati, OH 45240 //~~~LL~~~~LL~ http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk! If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first, the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

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I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ | TesserAct Studios ()X Darwin (; Now on the Web at | Cincinnati, OH 45240 //~~~LL~~~~LL~ http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk! If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first, the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ | TesserAct Studios ()X Darwin (; Now on the Web at | Cincinnati, OH 45240 //~~~LL~~~~LL~ http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk! If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first, the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

One thing you’ll learn is that Orlado is just one area, there are many cities in the area and all are back to back so to speak. Check the phone book and don’t be put off by the city names. There is an Orvis shop in Winter Park, 2 Bitters shops, all kinds of mall shops, KMart sells fly fishing poppers, flys and some low level gear as does WallMart. Fern Park, Altamonte Springs, Winter Park are some of the towns heading north on either I-4 or 17/92 all really close together. There are numerous bait and tackle shops all over the place and Titusville, Cape Canaveral is also close. as to bait and tackle "The big Bass hole is about 6 blocks from my house in Sanford. It’s on lake Monrow (the St.John’s runs through it.) What you’ll need is an 8wt at least for bass and small saltwater possibly a 3wt for bream and a short 5wt for general streamside among trees etc. There are so many shops and sporting goods stores that I can’t begin to tell you about all of them. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Rocky mountain real estate

Rocky mountain real estate

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I,m looking to purchase property in NM,Colo.,Wy,Id, or Mont.. I need input as to the best areas for Elk and Deer(mule) hunting. Raw land is okay. I need water, access, seclusion,and prefer to border Forest Service lands. thanks, Keith

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S I,m looking to purchase property in NM,Colo.,Wy,Id, or Mont.. I need input S as to the best areas for Elk and Deer(mule) hunting. Raw land is okay. I S need water, access, seclusion,and prefer to border Forest Service lands. S thanks, Keith The Bitterroot Valley of Montana is a top choice Keith. I live there and hunt elk, mule deer, and whitetails when I’m not flyfishing the Bitterroot river or selling real estate. Prices are rising there like everywhere, but great land for what you want is still available reasonably. Don’t wait long though as Montana has been re-discovered. If you’re into hunting and deciding which of those states to settle in, you might also wish to obtain the fish and game laws in those states. Montana is very liberal in seasons, etc. I begin bowhunting in August and can still bowhunt for whitetails until Jan 15! Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000] http://www.westonia.com/blueview/

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Arctic Charr on fly tackle?

Arctic Charr on fly tackle?

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FFers, Anyone know if it is possible to catch charr on fly gear? Here in Scotland we have large populations of char in many of the large, nutrient poor, highland lochs. Charr are the major food of the large piscivorous Ferox trout. Of course the Loch Ness Monster eats charr too Pete Marrow work: http://ui.nmh.ac.uk/gsrg.html play: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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Anyone know if it is possible to catch charr on fly gear? Here in Scotland we have large populations of char in many of the large, nutrient poor, highland lochs. Charr are the major food of the large piscivorous Ferox trout.

In 1910, P.D. Malloch wrote about fly fishing for charr in Scotland. The largest he saw was a 2-1/2 pound fish from Loch Ericht. "At one time Loch Leven contained char of a large size, many of them weighing 2 to 3 lbs., but they are no longer found there… Altogether it is a very beautiful fish…The best time to fish for char is on quiet evenings, when they can sometimes be seen rising to small flies. The angler’s flies should be allowed to sink and then drawn quietly along." – P.D. Malloch, _Life History and Habits of the Salmon, Sea-trout and Other Freshwater Fish_, A.&C. Black, London, 1910 and 1912 editions. I have fished for landlocked Arctic charr in similar, nutrient-poor lakes in northern Alaska. The biggest one I caught, a male, measured 19 inches. Fish of ten to twelve inches in length were more typical. They could be caught on dry flies, particularly during a caddis hatch, but soft-hackled wet flies, nymphs and very small streamers or bucktails often worked better. Woods Hole, MA USA

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Pete, In Alaska we routinely catch Char on flies in the Northern part of the state. I have taken them on streamers and nymphs with good success. Since they are like a large Dolly Varden, I fish them in the same fashion. — Gene Dobrzynski, Eagle River, Alaska

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FFers, Anyone know if it is possible to catch charr on fly gear? Here in Scotland we have large populations of char in many of the large, nutrient poor, highland lochs. Charr are the major food of the large piscivorous Ferox trout. Of course the Loch Ness Monster eats charr too Pete Marrow work: http://ui.nmh.ac.uk/gsrg.html play: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

In "Fly Rod and Reel" april 1994, there is a fantastic article on Char and Flies. If you can’t find it, I have a copy, and could pr= obably send you a copt in exchange for a fly.

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Artic Char in rivers are exceedingly easy to catch on a fly rod.. Use small #6 to #8 streamers with a silver body and blue and white top dressing and the Char usually go nuts..I have done this in Alaska, Tree River NWT, and an unnamed river flowing into Hudson Bay. Are You sure your Char are not land locked Dollie Vqarden Trout….? It takes a

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » How to dye Fly Lines ?

How to dye Fly Lines ?

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A couple of years ago, I heard Gary Borger give directions for dyeing fly line.I wrote the information down, and now I can’t find it. I got a deal on some Wulff lines, but there almost white. If anyone has any information on dyeing lines, or know of a reference book ,any information would be appreciated.If anyone has dyed lines, any tips, would be great. Thanks, in advance. Vince

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Hi Vincent, I’m not familiar with the dying technique you are asking about but I remember reading in a fly fishing magazine a couple of years ago about using simple pantone? marking pens to do a camo dying job on a fly line. I liked the idea of breaking up the one color line and intended to try it on mine but never have. Maybe I will try it this year after reading your question and being reminded about it. Those pens work good for dying individual hackles too if you tie your own flys. Much cheaper than having to buy a neck for $50. I bought one creme color hackle for that purpose. Good Luck, Arlie Turman Scranton, Pa. USA

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