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 I think that it’s also true that you should use the smallest  indicator you can get away with.  The larger it is the more  information it will mask.

I agree. There’s stuff called ’strike putty’ you can get from Orvis. You can put a very little of it on, say, a knot in the leader;  a good guide if you’ve lost sight of what’s going on. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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What about a short length of the bricklayer’s twine you use for running line, or is that too large an inside diameter? — Charlie…

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I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat.  I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  

Yup.  I use it mostly on small lakes, and fairly sheltered bays on big lakes, in calm weather.  When I take it out on open water on a large lake, I keep a weather eye out, and beat it back to land if it starts to blow even a little bit.   The next boat I buy will probably be about 17-18 feet V-hull with a 40-50 hp motor, which will give us a little more elbow room when the whole family is out, and will let us stay out longer when the wind blows (which, of course, is when the fishing is best.) Or I could go smaller, and buy a couple of canoes.  The kids are at that age when they can’t really contribute much to paddling yet, but we can’t squeeze all four of us into one canoe anymore.  Maybe in a couple of years… Kevin (Oh, who the hell am I kidding?  I’ll be getting the big boat AND the canoes eventually…)

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Hi Chris, I actually just love boats. Your 26′ Almar is extremely sexy. Catching Sea Runs sounds like fun too. Thanks for the fun info. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene 26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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Hi Joe, What is a South Fork skiff?  I am curious. Milton is better now sense they dredged it out some years back. Montana sounds pretty cool. How did you pull that off? Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi Larry, I might have to try that maple leaf deal. Sounds good. Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 12`  olive drab John boat. The bottom was camouflaged by laying maple leaves oak leaves on it and spray painting around them with black rustoleum 16/6 pontoon boat equipped with twin minn kota Neptune motors (For when wife is along) — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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Hi David, Wooden boats are beautiful. Thanks Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

I use a Wilderness Systems ‘Ride’ SOT kayak for river and inshore saltwater fly fishing. I have a couple of Scotty fly rod holders mounted to the rear of the seat on both sides and use a float tube anchor off the bow rigged with a couple of eyelets to guide the line and a jam cleat to hold it. Works great. — Charlie…

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I have a 12 ft. Oldtown canoe. It weighs all of 34 pounds. The only special equipment I use is a modified over the shoulder bag that I can clip onto the center thwart and a bow placed pulley for an anchor rope. I can place my rod in the canoe while I carry it into ponds or rivers. It is stable enough for anything short of white water. I have been known to stand in it under extremely calm conditions, but I wouldn’t recommend it. -RTW What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

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"Bill Kiene" asked What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Bill, I use a 10ft Livingston fiberglass boat with only one add’l piece of equipment.  I have added some high back seats for the aging back.  It is a bit too heavy, these days, to haul around as a car top (can only use it as a two person boat, but 20 years ago, I launched it by myself).  I have had it for over 20 years+ and it shows all its age.  However, if I were to go out and buy a single person, non-pontoon, non-float tube, I might consider this: http://www.tribalance.com/ Chris Fanning

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′.

I always tell people that, contrary to what your local boat dealer will try to tell you, the smallest boat that will safely take you where you want to go is the best boat.  A solo canoe that a kid can pick up and carry to the water will get a hundred times more use than a big boat that takes an hour just to get rigged up and underway.  A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity. I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat. Kevin

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" A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity." true- but, We took a weekend and went over to Lake Coeur d’ Alene  a few years back- At the marina I was astounded at the number of big boats – the attendant at the marina said that the land and property taxes were so high that it was more economical to slip a big yacht and weekend on it that it was to own recreational property on the lake.

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 I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  Peter and I watched a boat that  was similar to yours struggling up the upper Niagara  yesterday on a stretch that I would tackle with a minimum  length of 16-17 feet and at least 25 inches of freeboard,  and considerably more horsepower.

When I was but a wee lad, my dad bought a 12′ aluminum rowboat & 3.5 hp outboard from Monkey Wards.   The five of us would load ourselves into it & head out from Crisfield into the Chesapeake for a day of fishing.   In that respect, Kevin is right.   We were able to actually get out on the water by buying something, anything we could afford at the time.   From a safety standpoint, however, we were probably nuts.   I remember one particular day we’d been well out (a 3-hr. motor with that setup) into Tangier Sound fishing while the wind built slowly.   By the time we prudently headed back in, the 12-footer was surfing down some pretty good swells, throwing spray, & occasionally digging the bow into the bottom of a trough as we slowly made our back to protected waters.   As a kid, it was great fun, but now that I’m the dad, I gotta think he was worried we were all going to drown.  :-) Joe F.

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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…..Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state.

Hey!  I got their bug!  I mean, I got 36 of their bug…..gonna catch me lotsa fish on Penn,s too! Wolfgang hey wayno, you want ‘em gift wrapped?

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I think it was $600 at REI last year.  I got a 25% discount as one of their one item promotions, bringing it down to $450. If you do a google search, you can find a few dealers selling it.   Unlike other boats, it’s not too expensive to ship at 18 pounds in a 16 inch cude. Chas If you get one, remember not to open the side zipper and take the liner bag out to dry.  It’s almost impossible to get it back in the right place so the boat doesn’t show any wrinkles.  They’ve put some sort of powder, probably talc in there, so the bag will slide inside the hypalon outer shell.  I made the mistake of rinsing that off. How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Bill, It just so happens that I am in search of a good used 14′ Jon boat to use in the back bays and shallow areas around the DE shoreline. Seems like this is the best approach (for me), as most of my boat owner-type salt buddies are using much bigger craft and can only access bigger waters. Trailering and launching these vessels can be somewhat problematic at times, as I have witnessed. Maintenance is a whole other issue. So, I have no interest in locking myself into a bigger hole in the water in which money is poured…  I’ll stick to a smaller hole. BTW, wanna sell your Lowes?  ;-) — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…"

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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12`  olive drab John boat. The bottom was camouflaged by laying maple leaves oak leaves on it and spray painting around them with black rustoleum 16/6 pontoon boat equipped with twin minn kota Neptune motors (For when wife is along) — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Hi.  I have a 10ft OUTCAST PAC-1000 pontoon boat (for sale).  But prefer my Don Hill 10ft mini-drift boat.  I can do most things with it I can with the pontoon boat, more stable,  stay drier, and easier to just throw the gear in the boat and shove off.  Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state. GL Greg

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Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Mad River 16′ Explorer canoe rigged with bow and stern anchors. Would like to get one of those little pontoon kickboats one of these days. They look like they’d be a gas. G.Cleveland

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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Wow, poignant. Too late wise, too soon old… — XLK9 Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak.

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(snippage of time grudgingly) TL MC

I can feel a great deal of empathy with that, Mike.  Conjures memories, stories of times past, stories of times to come.  Once these times have been spent, it is not time lost, but time which serves our memories again and again. Wayne to fish is human…to release Divine!!

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If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak. Our first walks down by the river, how you were annoyed at my wishing, that instead of just walking and talking, we could linger awhile, and go fishing.

– snip — What a wonderful expose! It took me immediately to those moments back in 1962 when I was courting my lifelong partner. We have raised three children who all enjoy and appreciate the wonders of the out-of-doors. Today we still enjoy the rigors of tent camping, fishing, hiking and birdwatching. But, perhaps the greatest joy is now enjoying all of this with the newest generation. I had a chance to go fishing with my five year old granddaughter this past weekend. I was in seventh heaven and all because of the two people whose hearts shared those things that are natural. Thank you Mike. WLM

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If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak. Our first walks down by the river, how you were annoyed at my wishing, that instead of just walking and talking, we could linger awhile, and go fishing. The first time we actually fished, and you of course, caught far more than I, I did not stage it at all, my thoughts were elsewhere, than my cast and my fly How many more such days will there be?  together, just you and me, will we walk hand in hand by the stream?  happy and laughing and free. Time

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Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

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Haven’t experienced it, but apparently if you look up "crowded" in an illustrated dictionary, there’s a picture of the Vedder. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated.

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Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

Chris, I lived in Alaska for a few years and Pacific Salmon fishing in BC should be about the same.  Try not to target Pink Salmon is you intend to eat what you catch.  Pink Salmon, especially after 3 minutes in fresh water, is barely about one step below most cat food.  In August, you may be able to get some early Silver/Coho Salmon which fight like a bastard and are excellent eating.  Whatever you do, don’t bother eating any Pink Salmon caught in fresh water. Most of the Salmon fishing I did with a fly rod was done with egg pattern flies.  This is about the only type of fly to use.  Dry flies would be an entire waste of time, and streamers wouldn’t be as effective.  A double-egger on a long-shank size 6 hook is good, these are commercially available and I wouldn’t bother tying my own.  They are certainly not works of art by any stretch of the imagination and will probably be worn out after half a dozen or so fish. Salmon rivers are usually subjected to a significant amount of fishing pressure, so you might not be all alone when you fish.  The general technique was a simple roll cast and drift.  Over and over and over. Some lead 12-24" from the ‘fly’, enough to keep the lead bouncing off of the bottom, is generally required to be successful.  If possible, fishing in tidal areas on incoming tides is best. Good luck, and enjoy your trip. Tom G Before you buy.

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It’s not hype. Hit the runs just right and you can hook 2 or 3 dozen fish in a few hours. The Harrison alone supports runs exceeding a million fish. The best fishing is from the last week of Sept into the 1st half of Oct. Flies are simple. Size #8 of bright pink or cerise. A sparse wing of bucktail or synthetic. A bright body of tinsel. Use a sink tip or a mono-core line. If you need additional advice email me at: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

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For several years we have gone to Vancouver Island about that time and fished  for pinks, and coho.  We have taken to using the fly rods for pinks and either trolling or casting flies from the boat in the bays.  Last trip 3 of us had over 30 pinks in an hour on the fly rods.  Pink and red hootchies in the smallest size worked well for trolling and egg flies when casting. There were so many at times that they fought over the flies. I second the motion on eating them. Don’t if they have been in fresh water at all and they aren’t very good still in salt either. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris Chris, I lived in Alaska for a few years and Pacific Salmon fishing in BC should be about the same.  Try not to target Pink Salmon is you intend to eat what you catch.  Pink Salmon, especially after 3 minutes in fresh water, is barely about one step below most cat food.  In August, you may be able to get some early Silver/Coho Salmon which fight like a bastard and are excellent eating.  Whatever you do, don’t bother eating any Pink Salmon caught in fresh water. Most of the Salmon fishing I did with a fly rod was done with egg pattern flies.  This is about the only type of fly to use.  Dry flies would be an entire waste of time, and streamers wouldn’t be as effective.  A double-egger on a long-shank size 6 hook is good, these are commercially available and I wouldn’t bother tying my own.  They are certainly not works of art by any stretch of the imagination and will probably be worn out after half a dozen or so fish. Salmon rivers are usually subjected to a significant amount of fishing pressure, so you might not be all alone when you fish.  The general technique was a simple roll cast and drift.  Over and over and over. Some lead 12-24" from the ‘fly’, enough to keep the lead bouncing off of the bottom, is generally required to be successful.  If possible, fishing in tidal areas on incoming tides is best. Good luck, and enjoy your trip. Tom G Before you buy.

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I second the motion on eating them. Don’t if they have been in fresh water at all and they aren’t very good still in salt either. Ted

a saltwater pink salmon is fine to eat.  it is milder and less oily than coho.  the thing you must do is bleed the fish and get it on ice pronto… and eat it the same day. in the saltwater fisheries i fish, pinks are just by-catch during coho fishing. in august on the west coast of van. island the coho should be running pretty good.  while i fish the offshore waters between washington and van. island… i can bet the offshore fishing all down the west coast of the island will be pretty damn good… especially if next season resembles this past coho season.  i’m pretty sure there will also be some pink salmon fishing along many of the islands beaches. as for whether pinks are just magazine hype, it depends on who you ask.   cb

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Not hate-mail, more.. why?? If all fisheries would close on any holy day of all religions, there would be very little fishing left. If you don’t want to fish on sabbath, by all means, be my guest. But to deny it to people of other (or none) religions is taking it too far. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the URL? It’s a nice web-site.  It’s also nice to see a company closed for the Sabbath.  I wish more fishing lodges would do this. I know.  I know.  I’m going to get hate e-mail for this. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Well that is all very well Vern, but whose or which Sabbath ?  In some places the companies would only be able to open two days a week. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Okay, I understand. I was using the standard Christian Sabbath. I might be suffering from just a little bit of ethocetrism. Just a little. Vern

        oh, hell! ethocetrism, at *your* age?  my grandaddy got a little bait of it when he was about 65, but he whipped it.  doc martin put him on a strict diet of oral sex with foreigners, and he was fit as a fiddle in 30 days.  give it a whirl, vern. wayno, always willing to help an ailing roffian.

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oh, hell! ethocetrism, at *your* age?

At my age? Blackcat is just about my age and look at him. I’m over weight and eat like a fat pit. Sometimes I wonder if I’m having problems. Just thinking about Blackcat scares the hell out of me. Yes at my age. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Thanks James

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – James, the prices on your beat are surely not bad when compared to, for example, most of the british daytickets (for trout – wouldn’t know about salmon). Definitely not ripping off. I came across several payed fisheries in Ireland, some ridiculously expensive, but most of them very reasonably prized, more or less in the same region as your rates. I merely pointed out that apart from the payed fisheries there’s still a wealth of free water around – but you have to take your time to find it and explore it. If I had only a few days I’d probably fish the well-known spots. Good luck with the business, Herman The site is aimed more at the salmon fisherman but as a kid I used to catch the most beautiful brownies here. Regarding the price, I have been looking at other sites and I thought my rates were very reasonable, considering there is no one else going to be fishing the beat and the lodge is fully equipped for self catering…if not, please let me know because my intention in letting the fishery and lodge is to get some good records, not to rip of tourist fishermen. It is fished only infrequently by family and friends who have generally been successful, but I want a more accurate seasonal view of the fishing. James Depends where you’re going. Generally fishing for brown trout in Ireland is *free*. Unless, of course, you choose to fish the well known, regulated waters like for instance the Blackwater. If you like to (or have to, like me) fish on a budget, fish the tributaries, the lochs and all those other lovely streams which are either free or cheap to fish. Last time I was there I bought a year ticket for the Dee in Limerick for about 6 Irish pounds. Herman <snip looks ok, things are getting pricey in Ireland these days from what I gathered. Flyfish Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback on what other information you would like to see on it before I publish the final site. Cheers James — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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heh where were you guys when I was in Klonmel (‘88-’89)? fished the Suir then at knocklofty house and had some luck… looks ok, things are getting pricey in Ireland these days from what I gathered. Flyfish

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Depends where you’re going. Generally fishing for brown trout in Ireland is *free*. Unless, of course, you choose to fish the well known, regulated waters like for instance the Blackwater. If you like to (or have to, like me) fish on a budget, fish the tributaries, the lochs and all those other lovely streams which are either free or cheap to fish. Last time I was there I bought a year ticket for the Dee in Limerick for about 6 Irish pounds. Herman

<snip looks ok, things are getting pricey in Ireland these days from what I gathered. Flyfish Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback on what other information you would like to see on it before I publish the final site. Cheers James

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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James, the prices on your beat are surely not bad when compared to, for example, most of the british daytickets (for trout – wouldn’t know about salmon). Definitely not ripping off. I came across several payed fisheries in Ireland, some ridiculously expensive, but most of them very reasonably prized, more or less in the same region as your rates. I merely pointed out that apart from the payed fisheries there’s still a wealth of free water around – but you have to take your time to find it and explore it. If I had only a few days I’d probably fish the well-known spots. Good luck with the business, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The site is aimed more at the salmon fisherman but as a kid I used to catch the most beautiful brownies here. Regarding the price, I have been looking at other sites and I thought my rates were very reasonable, considering there is no one else going to be fishing the beat and the lodge is fully equipped for self catering…if not, please let me know because my intention in letting the fishery and lodge is to get some good records, not to rip of tourist fishermen. It is fished only infrequently by family and friends who have generally been successful, but I want a more accurate seasonal view of the fishing. James Depends where you’re going. Generally fishing for brown trout in Ireland is *free*. Unless, of course, you choose to fish the well known, regulated waters like for instance the Blackwater. If you like to (or have to, like me) fish on a budget, fish the tributaries, the lochs and all those other lovely streams which are either free or cheap to fish. Last time I was there I bought a year ticket for the Dee in Limerick for about 6 Irish pounds. Herman <snip looks ok, things are getting pricey in Ireland these days from what I gathered. Flyfish Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback on what other information you would like to see on it before I publish the final site. Cheers James — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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What’s the URL?

It’s a nice web-site.  It’s also nice to see a company closed for the Sabbath.  I wish more fishing lodges would do this. I know.  I know.  I’m going to get hate e-mail for this. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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The site is aimed more at the salmon fisherman but as a kid I used to catch the most beautiful brownies here. Regarding the price, I have been looking at other sites and I thought my rates were very reasonable, considering there is no one else going to be fishing the beat and the lodge is fully equipped for self catering…if not, please let me know because my intention in letting the fishery and lodge is to get some good records, not to rip of tourist fishermen. It is fished only infrequently by family and friends who have generally been successful, but I want a more accurate seasonal view of the fishing. James

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Depends where you’re going. Generally fishing for brown trout in Ireland is *free*. Unless, of course, you choose to fish the well known, regulated waters like for instance the Blackwater. If you like to (or have to, like me) fish on a budget, fish the tributaries, the lochs and all those other lovely streams which are either free or cheap to fish. Last time I was there I bought a year ticket for the Dee in Limerick for about 6 Irish pounds. Herman <snip looks ok, things are getting pricey in Ireland these days from what I gathered. Flyfish Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback on what other information you would like to see on it before I publish the final site. Cheers James — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback on what other information you would like to see on it before I publish the final site. Cheers James

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Just finished our new site and I would like a bit of feedback James     What’s the URL?

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I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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(brevity snip) <<I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. I don’t think it is as prone to UV (sunlight) damage as mono is. The only drawback (very slight) is that it doesn’t float.  I usually gink mine up to within five inches of the dry fly.  Benefits:  It’s refractive index is very close to that of water, making it almost invisible to the fish.  I have found that I can drop down one size (i.e. 6x to 5x or even 4x) with the same results.  It is stiffer than mono and less prone to twisting. Go to www.dejanews.com and look up "flurocarbon tippet".  There was an exhaustive thread on it not too long ago. Dave LaCourse

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It works great for me!  I use it everywhere.  Perfect for salt or fresh. Forrest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I was told that flurocarbon is more abrasion resistant. If that’s the case I would definetly look into it. Can’t say that I know though. Is it? Have a good one,     Jeff Jowers     Revelation 3:20 Many times I’ve seen why they call it fishing, not catching.

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I.

Yup – I remember that. I was using dark Maxima as usual, but on that day the fish were thumbing their beaks at me. The Mirage did seem to turn the tide, so to speak… And it’s always a good thing to give the Captain a boost if his luck is off: it’s usually a long walk back to shore ;^) /daytripper (ps to sf: I’ll be on the Cape of Cod all next week, we’ll do the ‘Mack again when I get back)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

determines its invisibility first and then color. I’m sure I will be reading soon about tippet material that is .0002 in diameter which has a breaking strength of 125 pounds.   Great sport. — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. JWTrout

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. JWTrout

John: I don’t have my information here in front of me, but one place you might want to try is the Blackfoot River above Blackfoot Reservoir.  If you do a little checking, you’ll find that the Nature Conservancy and the State of Idaho have purchased a large piece of land surrounding the river and are in the process of restoring the cutthroat fishery there.  Based on pictures I’ve seen, it looks like classic meadow fishing and supposedly there is starting to be some very good fishing. There is also a rod-fee fishery on the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in the something-or-other Springs close to the Snake River near the town of Blackfoot. There is an Idaho Flyfishing book that I’ll look up when I get home.  It has quite a few suggestions for SE Idaho fishing. Bob

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Check out this website         www.2.state.id.us/fishgame/askfish.htm It might help you out Big Al

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho.

No fishing there. Nope. None.  Don’t bother to bring waders. For some reason Idaho Fish and Game close the river in town to fishing.  Afraid people would hook a swimmer or something. As for fishing ousid of Lava Hotsprings.  Just drive around until you find a stream.   An Idaho Topo Atlas by Delorme is worth the $15 investment even if you are only going to use it that week. Carl

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bring your float tube and try out Daniels, Twenty-Four Mile, and Chesterfield Reservoirs.

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   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Hey dino:   My wifes weapon of choice for deer is my formerly pristeen Toyota Pick-up truck! And why does somebody named Tamela have a wife??????? — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door.

John, I generally recommend something that uses less expensive projectiles! HF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB    He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Mine is an aging Winchester chambered for 45-70.  It has been in the family since it was new.  It is a little short for BWB’s sniper hunting, but it is the absolute ticket for brush popping the darn critturs. HF

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She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30.

The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door. – John Ousterhout – Cessna driver, Flybaby builder, RV Wantabe

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)

Just a minor correction there Carl,it was the "Warsaw left handed Thumbsitting act of 1987" to be exact. It was authored by Stanislaw Podgorski who also authored the "Right foot in Mouth Act of 1982" and the "It’s not Sex,but an inapporiate Act, Act of 1998" often cited by bill clinton… Just a minor detail. Chuck(Polish Historian)Slusarczyk..author of the "He’s not Crazy he’s Nuts act of 1997.

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)  – Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

Just one of many "acts" I’ve heard you are so intimately familiar with. And I don’t care if you like it or not, you’re still my Good Buddy, John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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Carl, FYI, I currently own four

Thats 4 POS scouts for those of you not keeping track  (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit)

Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)   — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  

She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. And I shot it in the head because you can’t eat the damm horns anyway. She was mad because I looked that Bambi in its sad eyes and KILLED IT ANYWAY. Miss Geeter thought for that fleeting moment I had a colder heart that she did but we all know that’s impossible. Tom "I might just use a 12 Ga. this year" Cooper

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

No not unsporting, but bake ‘em first and it will be considered tasty. Tom "here we go talking about food again" Cooper

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Yah – so whats your point??????

Py Yimmeny, Mister Johansson, if YOU can go fishing,  I can go fishing! HF

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

We currently have a crew of engineers working out the mounting points and the loading system for installation on a Mooney for rec.aviation flyin at Pink Knee in 1999.  We plan to usher in the millenium with a proper celebration.  All of the millenia. Since we have many programmers in the group, and programmers always start counting with "zero" their millenia is 2000.  For everyone else, who start counting with "one," the mellenia is 2001.  However, Arther C. Clarke already usurped that one. HF

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  You know, she just turned 94.  I guess when you are that old it’s impossible to reason with you.  She was ranting and raving that she made some deal with God that she can’t die until Carl, Me, Tommy, Tony,  Chuck and O’ring are in our graves.   We made the old bag sleep outside in a tent both nights that she was there.  One night it rained like hell.  I could hear her praying while we were in the RV with our heater on  in nice, warm and soft beds.  I thought to myself.  To Hell with you.  You old bag.  I’m glad to see you suffer, you old decrepit piece of crap.  The next day she came in for a shower and she was soaked to the bone.  Serves the old bag right I say. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby.

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor….

Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

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Badwater Bill wrote Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

The Real Truth about the hunting trip: BWB lurks in the shadows of the ridge mumbling softly to himself.  "I’ll get them this time.  Them Turks, they’re after me.  They’ve been after me for a long time but I’ll get them this time." Poor innocent Bambi strolls through his valley not far from where he was born, looking for nothing more than a tuff of dry grass in the late season. BWB sees the movement and says "There they are!  The Turks!  And they’re in disguise again!" BLAM!! Bambi’s blood stained body is thrown against a tree and the last thing he sees as the light fades from his eyes is a madman running down from the ridge screaming "I GOT THEM!  I GOT THEM!" Can nothing stop this maniac?  Who or what will he hit next?  Look forward to the next exciting episode of: "Let’s Go Hunting This Weekend.or I’m Going Settle This Suit One Way Or The Other" Rich Isakson

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.  

Some lady asked me the other day as I got out of my truck dressed in my camo hunting outfit,"How could you kill a deer?" I said with a bow ,shotgun, muzzleloader(no not the drinking kind) or pistol. She then said"why do you do that?,don’t you like deer?" I said ,yes ma’am, I like ‘em… baked, fried, BBQ’ed, Roasted, made into sausage, cooked on a grill, made into spaghetti, chili,stew,…… She just shook her head in disgust walked away and went into Mac Dee to eat something someone else killed….Go figure… Chuck(my biggest was a 180# heavy rack 10 pt.)Slusarczyk PS Besides Bambi, I eat Porky Pig,Henny Penny,Mother Goose,Bugs Bunny,    Bossie the Cow and the rest .If God didn’t want me to eat’em He wouldn’t    have made ‘em taste good.

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HF, With Carl on the operating end of the weapon, Bambi can sleep secure. John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

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I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.

Denying any mental illness is itself a symptom of mental illness (see Zoom paradox no. 1).  Conversely if you claim that you’re nuts, you probably aren’t. I’ve met O’Ring and he seems quite normal to me.  Fortunately for O’Ring, being exposed (literally) to you hasn’t harmed him. Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.

I’ve met Carl and anyone that wears those beutiful Hawiian shirts has to be a mentally healthy person. Thank Dog, there is NO ONE else the same caliber as you. – John (44 caliber) Ousterhout –

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A whole bunch of stuff – most of which was true – some of which is now Guess what.  I got the deer… and they got skunked!!!!

We did come out of the desert with one deer (this trip – openning day we had two more, and just last night we got a big one during the muzzleloader season – no Bob not that kind of Muzzleloader!!!! But Phillips in his scotch hazed memory has forgotten the real scenario. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!) Anyway out jumps this rickity old grandma who immediately starts ranting and raving about "that miscreant Billy Phillips".  It’s Miss Geeter!!!!! She followed the scotch fumes and a trail of empty Tecate cans to find that idiot!!!! Phillips tries to hide in the luggage compartment of the motorhome but Miss Geeter smells him out – grabs him by the ear and pulls him out of there (as we sit doubled over in laughter). Anyway Miss Geeter sits there by the fire with us – she’s smoking filterless camels and belching like a sailor, and tells us that the only failure she has ever encountered in her life is not being able to teach (or more correctly train) BWB anything of any value.  So now she has decided in a last ditch attempt to  teach Bedwetter Billy (as she calls him) anything at all, she figures she may be able to reach him through this hunting stuff. So we drop old BWB and Miss Geeter in the "badlands" the next morning. Turns out we put the SOB right in the middle of the action, as almost immediately this tiny – really stupid buck, full of testosterone, and no common sense pops up 25 yards in front of BWB and begs to be shot. I’m sitting up on top of the hill watching the soap opera unfold. So BWB attempts to put this deer in his sights and the gun barrel is moving around like a bamboo in a hurricane.  Suddenly Miss Geeter loses patience with Phillips and grabs the gun from him.  Phillips shrinks down into a fetal sitting position hiding behind a Joshua tree, shaking like a leaf and sucking his thumb!! So Geeter drops the hammer on the deer, and Phillips flinches like a nuclear bomb went off in his shorts.  Then he gets on the radio and starts crowing about how HE "got him –  he’s huge – 4 point".  turns out to be a little forky – and Phillips was cowering behind the tree while that Geeter Chick did the dirty work. Way to go Geeter Baby!!!!! This as you all know is the true story of BWB’s suposedly sucessfull deer hunt!!!!!! Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.   Shame, shame, shame. HF

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.

Yah – so whats your point?????? Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

Hear, Hear Yoram Leshinski

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Carl, While your most of your story is certainly believable and I heartily accept as the truth, there is one issue that I simply must address. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!)

FYI, I currently own four (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit) (4) of these fine specimens of American Truck production.  Even the sorriest of the lot would be more than up to the task of defending it’s name against your baseless charges you wuss. And if by some miracle of divine intervention, they should fail, out comes the S1700.  And if IT fails in totally destroying whatever that junk example you drive, I’ll dolly up the semi trailer and finish you off with the CO9670 and 435 hp Detroit. However, I’m quite sure that it won’t come to that, as I don’t expect you to ever make good on your feeble claims of superiority.  Obviously, anyone that "used to have one" and got rid of it is at least half a bubble out of plumb. John "Give me 392cid of 1000# American Iron for an engine any day" Stricker PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby. — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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I think the people who build and fly their own airplanes are for the most part nuts.  I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.  I was hanging on to certain threads of reality when I met him in 1972.  He’s a chemist by trade and everyone knows that chemists are nuts from birth.  I tried to remain calm and focused as a young physicist working in the same lab that housed O’ring.  But, as time went on and my association with him became closer he drove me over the edge.   Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.  Unlike me, however, he was probably was born nuts.  I notice no transition period in his life that caused him to become what he is.  I think he was always crazy.  For instance, he trained for decades to be an Olympian.  He did nothing but work out 8 hours each day for the Olympics, totally focused, totally committed, totally obsessed. Carl is strange in his own kind of way.  He told me a year ago, "Phillips, you come to Utah and I’ll take you fishing.  You WILL catch fish and you will catch a lot of fish in a short period of time."  I retaliated, "Gonzo, you’re full of crap.  I never catch fish unless I fish in the ocean."  Gonzo says, "Yeah, sure, you come to Utah and we’ll not only catch fish, we’ll catch enough fish in one afternoon to feed a party of ten people." Of course the only catch is that I had to walk through a river for two hours with water temps near freezing to get to an obscure canyon that no human has ever been to other than Carl.  Then if you were to try to walk up the canyon on the side of the stream you’d need a four foot machete to claw your way.  I said, "Yo Gonzo, there ain’t no way up this stream!"  Carl laughs, "You don’t walk along the side, you walk UP the stream in the center of the water.  Don’t worry about getting wet, you’ll be wet all day.  We need to cast into the ponds above us as we go. That’s where the fish are." Combat fishing is what it is.  We caught fish alright but the reason why is that no other human being would subject themselves to the torture of the environment to do it. SO!  What all this is head toward is the hunting trip we just took last weekend.  Here’s the Johannson thought process.  Last December Carl asked me if I wanted to go deer hunting with him and his brother this fall.  He asked me 9 months ahead of time because I’m a fat slob and I needed to get in shape to go with them.  I said, "Sure, I’d like to go, what do I do?"  Carl’s reply was, "See that mountain behind your house there?  You have to climb that mountain at least 4 times a week for about three months to start.  Then you have to climb it quickly  for about the next three months.  Then you have to push yourself and get anaerobic for the last three months.  Don’t worry about your weight loss.  You are a fat slob anyway and you need the exercise." Well, I did just that.  I climbed that mountain at least four times a week, even in the summer.  I lost 20 pounds, my heart felt good, my sex life improved, it all came together.  Then last weekend was the big hunt.  Two weeks ago I sighted my 300 Win-Mag in to be on target at 300 meters.  That put the round about 3 inches high at 100 meters, about   1.5 inches high at 200 meters, dead on at 300 meters, 4 inches low at 400 meters and 8 inches low at 500 meters.   You have no idea what it’s like to hunt with the Johannson brothers. You get up in the dark at 04:00 and drive for an hour to get to some canyon in the middle of the desert-nowhere.  You walk up and over about three mountains in the dark until you perch on some crestline where you use your binoculars to "Glass" the valley before you, searching for a lone buck.  You sit there in 25 degree temperatures at 9000 feet looking 300 to 600 meters away.  Carl pulls out an infrared laser distance measuring device. He hits a rock on the left in the center of the valley then an outcropping across the valley and another boulder on the right.  He leans over to me in a whisper and says, "He Phillips, that rock is 323 meters, the hill over there is 450 meters and that boulder on the right is 525 meters.  Get your ballistic table out and figure the drops.  If a deer comes along, hold the sighting point appropriately.  Got it dummy!" "Got it Gonzo.  You can count on me." This is not deer hunting, it’s being a sniper!  Sniper hunting is the only way to describe it.  These guys laugh at me for carrying a 300 Win-mag while they carry 220 swifts.  They shoot 50 grain bullets at 4200 feet per second with flat ballistics, while I shoot a CANNON!  I was using 180 grain hot loads in my sniper rifle, but my ballistics aren’t bad.  That gun can shoot the ass off a gnat at 300 meters. AND

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I don’t think I would have known or appreciated the difference between the $30.00 rod and my Sage. The next year I bought the Sage having the knowledge to appreciate the difference.

Me too- only the other way around. After having fished with the high-falootin LLs and RPls for a couple of years, a buddy of mine who mfgs IM6 kits gave me two of his 99 dollar wonder rods. Now I wonder why the hell I spent all that loot for the Sage sticks.   Just shows to go ya.

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If you can still find one, a Fenwick Eagle or one of Cabela’s lessor priced rods might be a good by to start with.  Or be a MAN and get an Eagle Claw 4 piece fiberglass Spin/Fly rod for 7 wt. line.  This thing weighs in the pounds, not ounces, and if you use one all day your arm will simply fall off!  This rod will make you appreciate any dedicated graphite fly rod.  I have found that as I acquired better technique, I could truly tell the difference in rods.  As in all hobbies, you will find among fly fishers a certain group of "reverse" snobs who seem to feel that the only way to be a true disciple is to disdain anything top quality as being "too expensive" and "not worth it" and "a Dildofly Deluxe form K-Marts is just as good as a Thomas & Thomas" or "Orvis makes junk". etc.  They use crap and then belittle everything else in order to justify their choice.  I have all kinds of rods and the best feeling and casting rods are also the most expensive, a Sage SP 9′ 6 wt and a R.L. Winston LT 9′ 5 wt.  My other stuff is good but these are the cream of the crop.  Save your money and buy what you want. Don’t let some yo-yo tell you what a dumbass you are for buying quality.  I’m sure this will infuriate some folks but as my ol’ daddy once said, "Po’ folks have Po’ ways." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So did anyone have any suggestions for good rods in this price range. I recently saw an article in a magazine calling a pflueger rod a best buy but I can’t remember the model name of the rod. Jason, I would suggest that you try a Cortland setup, or one of the starter kits from Cabela’s. I’ve seen both for less than $100.00 and I’ve used them – they work fine. I’ve been flamed regularly for suggesting inexpensive (as opposed to cheap) flyfishing gear, but I really believe it’ll work well for you. Get an inexpensve setup and practice, practice, practice. Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties, 1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights. 1997 Rokon Trail Breaker 1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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try HI_TECh tackle at 414/268-9665, very favorably review in FR&R, March 1996, for (can you guess?) 40.00 to 54.99, I have 3 from 4 to 6 wt.  great back up or beginners rods.  Made in Korea

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So did anyone have any suggestions for good rods in this price range. I recently saw an article in a magazine calling a pflueger rod a best buy but I can’t remember the model name of the rod. Thanks in advance, Jason Schwartz

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So did anyone have any suggestions for good rods in this price range. I recently saw an article in a magazine calling a pflueger rod a best buy but I can’t remember the model name of the rod.

Jason, I would suggest that you try a Cortland setup, or one of the starter kits from Cabela’s. I’ve seen both for less than $100.00 and I’ve used them – they work fine. I’ve been flamed regularly for suggesting inexpensive (as opposed to cheap) flyfishing gear, but I really believe it’ll work well for you. Get an inexpensve setup and practice, practice, practice. Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties,   1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights.       1997 Rokon Trail Breaker                       1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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I’ll second that. I started out with a $30.00 rod. It worked just fine for my first year of fly fishing. When I first started out, I don’t think I would have known or appreciated the difference between the $30.00 rod and my Sage. The next year I bought the Sage having the knowledge to appreciate the difference.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So did anyone have any suggestions for good rods in this price range. I recently saw an article in a magazine calling a pflueger rod a best buy but I can’t remember the model name of the rod. Jason, I would suggest that you try a Cortland setup, or one of the starter kits from Cabela’s. I’ve seen both for less than $100.00 and I’ve used them – they work fine. I’ve been flamed regularly for suggesting inexpensive (as opposed to cheap) flyfishing gear, but I really believe it’ll work well for you. Get an inexpensve setup and practice, practice, practice. Frank Longtine

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Bob, how about…. You don’t feel self-conscious in the doctor’s waiting room with a size 12 Cream Variant in the top of your head. You see nothing unusual about standing in water so cold that ice rings are forming around your legs. Now pass the head cement, I need a hit! Steve

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…….    Criteria for FFA membership: …….    (5) Your wife helps you pluck the feathers off a road-killed grouse and  knows enough not to tell anyone about it.

Respectfully requesting the second word of criteria #5 be changed from "wife" to "spouse".  The tagalong-if-he-has-to part of the family dislikes being called a "wife" and he has even managed to scrounge peacock feathers for me.                         —Jewelee

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Jewelee — Right on … will make the change as noted. (PS: I should have been more thoughtful. I certainly never considered my spouse a tag-a-long … she outspots me and every guide in the Keys. and outfishes most anglers) Welcome to the FFA. THANKS….BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …….    Criteria for FFA membership: …….    (5) Your wife helps you pluck the feathers off a road-killed grouse and  knows enough not to tell anyone about it. Respectfully requesting the second word of criteria #5 be changed from "wife" to "spouse".  The tagalong-if-he-has-to part of the family dislikes being called a "wife" and he has even managed to scrounge peacock feathers for me.                         —Jewelee

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snip (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays.

snip Your kid’s name is Caddis. Ross Wilson

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snip (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays. snip Your kid’s name is Caddis. Ross Wilson

Or Windknot.

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Geeze … and I thought I was clever when I nicknamed my kid "Lefty." BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays. snip Your kid’s name is Caddis. Ross Wilson Or Windknot.

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snip (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays. snip Your kid’s name is Caddis.

On the other hand, maybe it’s really Rhyacophila! -Burton

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Ok…you guys are in, but when are your kids’ birthdays? I know one of my kids was born about 23 days after the opening of trout season, but can’t remember the other three.BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays. snip Your kid’s name is Caddis. On the other hand, maybe it’s really Rhyacophila! -Burton

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Having concluded that fly fishing is an addiction, I am starting a NP-organization called Fly Fishing Anonymous (FFA). We’ll have our first annual meeting somewhere appropriate (how about So. Andros Island in May?). Anyone who meets the following criteria can join. (Since this is the first posting, please feel free to add your own suggestions for membership. All reasonably addictive behaviors will be considered as eligibility for membership.) Thanks…BobE., Rochester, NY Criteria for FFA membership: (1) You currently have callouses and line cuts on both index fingers. (2) You own at least six hook hones. (3) You don’t feel self-conscious standing in line at the checkout of a crowded discount store with six bottles of Sally Hanson’s hard as nails. (4) You know why Hunt Valley has displaced Cockeysville as the center of the flyfishing universe. (Hint: See Bernard’s new business card.) (5) Your wife helps you pluck the feathers off a road-killed grouse and knows enough not to tell anyone about it. (6) You have expired fishing licenses from 4 or more states. (You get to be president if all four of the licenses are valid.) (7) Bob Berger and Chet Pryor know you by your first name. (8) You not only know the rational behind the sizing system of fly tying thread (size A to 9/0), but you also know what the sizes relate to in actual diameters. (9) You know the latin names of all the major insect hatches on your home stream, but you can’t remember your kids’ birthdays. (10) You have fished alone from 11 pm to 8 am in both freshwater and saltwater. Other suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks. BobE.

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