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I’ll be spending the month of July this year, travelling up the Alaska coast and then driving back the Alaska highway. Is anyone here familiar with the fishing along this highway in July? Any streams that are particularly worth stopping for?  What species should I anticipate? Any short side trips worth taking? Any and all advice is welcome. I have no idea how my experience (and fly patterns) with brook trout and atlantic salmon here in New Brunswick will transfer to the left coast. Thanks Brent

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Find a current copy of "Milepost".  This is the definitive guide to the highway and lists fishing opportunities all along the routes into and inside Alaska. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be spending the month of July this year, travelling up the Alaska coast and then driving back the Alaska highway. Is anyone here familiar with the fishing along this highway in July? Any streams that are particularly worth stopping for?  What species should I anticipate? Any short side trips worth taking? Any and all advice is welcome. I have no idea how my experience (and fly patterns) with brook trout and atlantic salmon here in New Brunswick will transfer to the left coast. Thanks Brent

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No, but I sure can tell you it would be smart to know your blood type.  They have 500 pound misketoes and other blood sucking insects waiting for you. Make safety arrangements with the Red Cross. George Gehrke "O-Positive I’m Positive I’m not Negative"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find a current copy of "Milepost".  This is the definitive guide to the highway and lists fishing opportunities all along the routes into and inside Alaska. Bill I’ll be spending the month of July this year, travelling up the Alaska coast and then driving back the Alaska highway. Is anyone here familiar with the fishing along this highway in July? Any streams that are particularly worth stopping for?  What species should I anticipate? Any short side trips worth taking? Any and all advice is welcome. I have no idea how my experience (and fly patterns) with brook trout and atlantic salmon here in New Brunswick will transfer to the left coast. Thanks Brent

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Well, that certainly helps with pattern selection and flysize. ;^ ) brent

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, but I sure can tell you it would be smart to know your blood type. They have 500 pound misketoes and other blood sucking insects waiting for you. Make safety arrangements with the Red Cross. George Gehrke "O-Positive I’m Positive I’m not Negative"

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

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Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

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You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember hearing the nurse saying, "Well, what exactly is your plan if you get a snakebite patient, anyway?"  Apparently the plan is to get you stabilized and put you on a one-way chopper to somewhere else.) Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember

Count yourself luck that you didn’t lose your thumb. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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It’s a horrible disease, with a horrible treatment. Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4

Damn! Convinced me! I’m taking that off my to do list right away.<G

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The Idaho pan handle in the mid eighties, I mailed him for the specifics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid.

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all?

Some people would do anything to win–a Darwin award. :=) Bill

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 This has changed then. In 69 when I was bitten the treatment consisted of one injection per day for 14 days.I am now only required to get a booster if bitten by an animal considered rabid. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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he got scratched by a racoon that was ~suspected~ of being rabit. The racoon was in the process of killing his easter chicken. Caution being the better part of valor and rabies being rampant in racoons in New England now, he got shots. He didn’t like it. The insurance company didn’t like it, I didn’t care for what was left over either but I’m glad he’s still about. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward.

Sounds like the bug up your ass is biting you.  I won’t hazard a guess as to whether you deserve it or not. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.

From something I read once, the statistics are markedly different by gender. It seems that it’s mostly men who insist on picking them up and get bit on the hands & arms.   Most snake bites on women are on the feet & legs. Joe F.

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Snake Venom… Chlorine for the gene pool

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward.

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Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates.  If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it  stays in the strike zone longer.  This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though.  My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer. — Terry Robinson Visit me at http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfisher23/  Terry’s Fishing and Writing place

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Kind of depends on whether you are fishing moving or still water. With a fast sink tip in moving water, the ‘angle’ is not a factor. All of the sinking portion is under, along with butt, leader and tippet (6′ to 8′), and streamer ( I don’t ever nymph with a sinktip!). Not much (at most 10 or 20 feet) of your running line (that would be the non-sinking portion of the fly line for those ‘equipment-ally challenged’ out there) would even be off the reel, allowing pretty good control over the mending and stripping that would be taking place. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates.  If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it  stays in the strike zone longer.  This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though.  My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer.

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Hi Claude, I don’t like sinking tip as you have a curve in the line and you can’t really feel what happen around the fly. 6 to 10 feet in average?  With a floating line, an intermediate and a number 3 (or 2) sinking line, you are set for most of the conditions. Philippe http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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This year I want to try fishing a little bit deeper. hoping to get the big trout if the dry flies don’t work… I had all kinds of different answers so I hope the experience fly of this group can help. some said a sinking tip will be enough other full sinking  line???? Fishing on a small lac, deepest in the middle 20 feet. average 6 to 10 feet. If I stay on the same spot and fish from shore to middle I have used the sinking tip and look ok but never seems to go very deep or deep enough to get the big old trout ? I know for sure there are some big one, a diver saw a couple very nice rainbow…at the bottom. if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude

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The faster you troll, the shallower your line will stay due to the friction/planing of the line. A full sinking line should be fine at those depths if you troll slowly. You might even wish to use a very dense loop on sinktip extender (mini sink tip) in addition to your sinking line. Good luck rtw if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude

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All Rounder with many extras. 10 ft.  1 or 2 people.  600 lb capacity.

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 we can pic up a pail of lard for jeff to cook the eggs in,

actually, after careful study of the fly dressing thread, i’m ordering a barrel of albolene…understand it has a thousand uses… jeff

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a thousand and one…

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Mail by several of the members of that group to request that I ask you guys to stay at home. Their group has many fine ladies and gentlemen involved who like to discuss the finer points of technical points of fishing  , cigar smoking, and didigal camera without the necessity of deleting  a bunch of messages fro  a bunch of drunken rowdies planning another meeting in the woods.  I of course replied -something here inside cannot be denied- when smoke gets in your eyes.             We will have plenty of food for the  spring clave, lots of wild weeds to make Ken"s meetless lasanga,  tomatoes will be in season so Dave an juswt drop whole big ones   in his tacos, I sill have a half gallon of Wall Mart special red,  we can pic up a pail of lard for jeff to cook the eggs in, and I know Walt has a couple of jars of spaghetti sauce. God I’m getting as silly as the rest of you jackasses.  Indian Joe3 ied

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(words of great insight snipped) A toast to you, Mike, as I enjoy your literary skills over a scotch on a quiet evening in Pennsylvania.  Only on roff. Mark faulkner

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Here, here! Nice work, Mike. Steve Zimmerman Go Cougars!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [excellent prose snipped]

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What urgeth then a man of sense, to seek the soothing solace of a rippling stream, with complex and expensive tools ? ‘Tis surely not the gain involved, for a bag of comely fish may just as well be gleaned with simple gear, likewise by abject fools. Perhaps the contemplation then ? the peace and quiet, and sometimes awesome, even frightening, and  inspiring solitude ? the sight of glorious nature, richly clad in many shades of riotous and verdant colour, may even ban the deepest blackest mood. The stream a

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

Malcolm, Shooting heads are great for some applications where you want long distance casts to be performed easily. They are less adequate for other applications where you want for instance line control (mending long lines). Meaning shooting heads are mostly used for stillwater and saltwater where distance is essential. To get the most of your outfit, using a stripping basket helps managing the loose line, but takes some time to learn using. I guess you will use it for overhead casting with a single handed rod (shooting heads and two handed rods is something quite different). You can build your shooting heads out of a DT line. If you have, say, a #6-7 rod, the optimum is likely to be about 11 meters shooting head #7. The important thing is to load the rod with the optimum *weight*. It means you will need perhaps more, perhaps less than those 11 meters, depending on the actual weight of the line (there are tolerances in the manufacturing) and the actual rod class. Some people use a higher line class, shortening the head to perhaps 9 meters which gives even longer casts but sacrificing line control even more. Running line: Buy the best running line you can afford (cheap in comparison to WF line). There are 3 basic kind of running lines. -Dacron with a coating similar to floating lines. Actually a level floating line. Nicest to hold. -Braided nylon. Compromise. -Flat monofil. Longer casts, won’t tangle but not so nice to hold. DO NOT use regular monofil! It will tangle. Splice a loop on the end of the runninging line. Fill the reel with as much as you expect to be able to cast. 20 meters running line will do it. 30 meters if you are a very skilled caster. Shooting head: You don’t have to buy the best DT line available, as much of the casting performance is due to the running line properties. To find out the optimum weight for your rod, some testing is needed. 1. Cut the DT into two. Gives you two shooting heads, one spare or as a gift to a friend. 2. Attach the running line and the shooting head temporarily, e.g. with loop connectors. 3. Try the outfit in the backyard or on a lawn. Cut down the shooting head gradually until you get optimum performance. (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. 4. When you have found out the optimum weight, splice a loop on the shooting head. 5. Go fishing and check it works OK in practical situations. 6. Use a scale to determine the exact weight of the shooting head, this is useful information when you design your next shooting head (for the same rod). NOTE: Make sure the loops that connect the running line and shooting head run smooth trough the rod guides! The smoothest connection is to sew the lines together, in which case you either need one spool per line or to make the loop connection at the backing. NOTE: To gain distance and be able to turn over larger flies, you may consider shortening the tip of the shooting head. The price is sacrificing presentation, but for windy conditions, this is worth considering. Contact me if you need more info. Good Luck Tord

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

Scientific Anglers used to ( and likely still do) make a selection of shooting heads that should meet your needs. Buying the heads will be cheaper than making your own. If you are looking for versatility try these trick. Cut the front 10 feet off a WF floating line. Serve a braided mono loop in the end of line. Use 5 to 10 foot sections of sinking line of varying sink rates that match the weight of the main line. Serve loops into the ends of these. Do the same with the floating section removed from the line so you can also switch back to a floating tip. You’ve now got a mutliple tip line that allows quick changes of sink rate. It won’t cast as far as a ST line but you didn’t indcate that was the problem. I’ve been using one of these ‘exchangable’ sink tips lately and am pleased with the casting performance. Some fly shops will set the line up for you and provide a selection of sink tips. Make some enquiries. Ralph H

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I think this guy really did all his home work. Very interesting and accurate info. Thanks for sharing this with all on the group.

….and "thank you" from me, also!  Very helpful info. Wayne — Gallery W http://www.magiccarpet.com/~waynem/G_Over.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. <snip It’s interesting how things can go full circle.  I’ve seen advertisements in the non-Fly Fishing world for short, 2-3 feet lengths of "weighted casting line" (read  Shooting Head)  which allow spin fishermen to "cast" flies.  When you think of it, a spool would beat the heck out of a stripping basket for holding "running" line. Just some thoughts. Rick

I guess the "weighted casting line" must have a pretty high density. Must be lead core to have 2-3 feet heavy enough to be cast with a spinning rod… Your suggestion using a spool would imply a pretty large reel, since the shooting head (some 11 meters long) must fit too on the spool. Still, you need to learn to cast a fly line, although this is theoretically feasible with a large capacity spinning reel attached to your fly rod. (I guess you are not thinking about using a casting reel for this purpose…). The point in using a stripping basket is managing 20 meters or more of running line while wading in non-calm water (breaking waves, current) that will drag the line or tangle it. Or, fishing from a boat, to avoid the line tangling in the numerous items that usually are found on deck. Or to prevent the line from getting caught by strong winds… /Tord

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<snip (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go.

<snip It’s interesting how things can go full circle.  I’ve seen advertisements in the non-Fly Fishing world for short, 2-3 feet lengths of "weighted casting line" (read  Shooting Head)  which allow spin fishermen to "cast" flies.  When you think of it, a spool would beat the heck out of a stripping basket for holding "running" line. Just some thoughts. Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance. Malcolm, Shooting heads are great for some applications where you want long distance casts to be performed easily. They are less adequate for other applications where you want for instance line control (mending long lines). Meaning shooting heads are mostly used for stillwater and saltwater where distance is essential. To get the most of your outfit, using a stripping basket helps managing the loose line, but takes some time to learn using. I guess you will use it for overhead casting with a single handed rod (shooting heads and two handed rods is something quite different). You can build your shooting heads out of a DT line. If you have, say, a #6-7 rod, the optimum is likely to be about 11 meters shooting head #7. The important thing is to load the rod with the optimum *weight*. It means you will need perhaps more, perhaps less than those 11 meters, depending on the actual weight of the line (there are tolerances in the manufacturing) and the actual rod class. Some people use a higher line class, shortening the head to perhaps 9 meters which gives even longer casts but sacrificing line control even more. Running line: Buy the best running line you can afford (cheap in comparison to WF line). There are 3 basic kind of running lines. -Dacron with a coating similar to floating lines. Actually a level floating line. Nicest to hold. -Braided nylon. Compromise. -Flat monofil. Longer casts, won’t tangle but not so nice to hold. DO NOT use regular monofil! It will tangle. Splice a loop on the end of the runninging line. Fill the reel with as much as you expect to be able to cast. 20 meters running line will do it. 30 meters if you are a very skilled caster. Shooting head: You don’t have to buy the best DT line available, as much of the casting performance is due to the running line properties. To find out the optimum weight for your rod, some testing is needed. 1. Cut the DT into two. Gives you two shooting heads, one spare or as a gift to a friend. 2. Attach the running line and the shooting head temporarily, e.g. with loop connectors. 3. Try the outfit in the backyard or on a lawn. Cut down the shooting head gradually until you get optimum performance. (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. 4. When you have found out the optimum weight, splice a loop on the shooting head. 5. Go fishing and check it works OK in practical situations. 6. Use a scale to determine the exact weight of the shooting head, this is useful information when you design your next shooting head (for the same rod). NOTE: Make sure the loops that connect the running line and shooting head run smooth trough the rod guides! The smoothest connection is to sew the lines together, in which case you either need one spool per line or to make the loop connection at the backing. NOTE: To gain distance and be able to turn over larger flies, you may consider shortening the tip of the shooting head. The price is sacrificing presentation, but for windy conditions, this is worth considering. Contact me if you need more info. Good Luck Tord

I think this guy really did all his home work. Very interesting and accurate info. Thanks for sharing this with all on the group. It sounds like you are somewhere in Europe? I agree that shooting heads are great in the right situation, but not all the time. I’m saving this one. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi, Ern!  Welcome to the Web.  ( I thought you were getting too old to get on the cutting edge of technology).  But you always surprise me.  See you Jim Thatcher

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| | Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land | of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) | I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. | | — I was. Now I’m not. Oregon is home. Trout and Steelhead are only a mile and a cast away. My father in Marion, Indiana is flying out for a five day nothin’ but flyfishing vacation with my two brothers and me in July. I have a feeling he won’t be a poor schlepp like you anymore. Sympathetically Yours, E M Sutton Gresham, OR "To fish,…or not to fish? No question about it."        /           *                                                                                                                                                                                O                              #/_                              #  O                              

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Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o    <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J              provocative content may have occurred      <<  <<                    during shipping and handling.

We are out here.  Yes, stuck in the land of no salmonids.  But learning to love bass and bluegill flyfishing.   "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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Sugar Creek up near Crawfordsville always afforded us great fly fishing, especially downstream towards Shades State Park. It’s actually a pretty well known stretch of creek written about in _Nymphs_ by Ernie Scweibert. The small mouth you can sight-cast to. No crowds either.   No salmonids? Have you checked out the south shore of Lake Michigan during spawning runs? Tim Shickley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o       <<     o  |            These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J            provocative content may have occurred      <<      <<                     during shipping and handling. We are out here.  Yes, stuck in the land of no salmonids.  But learning to love bass and bluegill flyfishing. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. cheers — gp

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I have fished lakes extensively, and used all types of sinking and sink tip lines.  It’s kind of a trade off between water depth, line density and sink tip length and leader length.  I have found full sinking (intermediate, med. density and fast sinking shooting heads) to be more effective than sink tips, but it’s probably personal preference.  The teeny nymph T series lines are good too (a T200 works well with 5, 6 weights). I haven’t used uniform sink lines, but they seem like a good idea.   Sinking lines are difficult to pick up out of the water, but once you do you can cast them a mile.  Remember, use a short leader, so as not to defeat the purpose of a sinking line.  Hang on, there are some big fish in some of the lakes I fish.

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Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. cheers — gp

With in the past 5 years I have gone to a Uniform Sink tip line as you can maintain the fly in the fishing zone longer.  With a sink tip you strip or troll though the zone but don’t remain in the zone.  This is the same with fullsinking line.  I have been using this line find it to much more effective for lake fishing.  Check it out.  Joe

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers I have made up a number of short lead core lines with a loop at each end. To fish deep, I simply attach one of these lead leaders to any line. The can also be used as a shooting head with a small diameter shooting line or just a small level line. Works well, and it’s cheap. –mike

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers I have made up a number of short lead core lines with a loop at each end. To fish deep, I simply attach one of these lead leaders to any line. The can also be used as a shooting head with a small diameter shooting line or just a small level line. Works well, and it’s cheap. –mike

Mike I have good luck with cutting Cortland 333 Level Sinking line into 2′ 4′ and 6′ segments and putting loops on both ends. Tom

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers Gordon, I have used a sinking line for several years, and find it to be a nuisance to cast with; probably I should use a sink-tip instead. The major problem is that your rod has to have enough oomph to quickly get the line airborne – very easy when it’s floating on the surface, and hell when it’s submerged. Casting a sinker will cause you to work on your casting style I also tried using a length of lead-core trolling line to do some flyfishing for walleye – caught a fish (eventually) but that stuff is hazardous to cast. Conventional sinking lines will work okay to about 15 feet. Go to Hi-D (or leadcore) to go deeper. Best fly-caught laker was about 10#, from Great Slave Lake, on a sinker. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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