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Or you can do the D.C. version where they close their eyes before they get in the truck.   Makes driving interesting, but they seem to make it.

Which gave rise to the joke: "How do you make a (insert ethnic group here) blind?   Put a windshield in front of ‘em." Joe F. (who wouldn’t be so politically incorrect as to suggest the retelling of ethnic jokes.)

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Fortunately I’m not at that point yet.  Just want to avoid the tedious walk to shore and the rigmarole involved in dropping the waders, etc.  (In addition to making a mint).

The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g

Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.   JR

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Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.

Well, using their dry cuff technology, you should be even to close it off small enough so that *your* pecker won’t hang out. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Yes, but strictly speaking, the only truly ethical method is blind (Kung Fu) fly fishing, where you keep your eyes tightly shut from the moment you stop the truck streamside until the time you start it again at the end of the day.

It’s still unethical if you drive with your eyes open. — Charlie…

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Or you can do the D.C. version where they close their eyes before they get in the truck.   Makes driving interesting, but they seem to make it.        Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, but strictly speaking, the only truly ethical method is blind (Kung Fu) fly fishing, where you keep your eyes tightly shut from the moment you stop the truck streamside until the time you start it again at the end of the day. JR

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Um, and you’re going to wear a pince-nez on a gear-zip and periodically place them in front of sunglasses?  Yeah, no chance of looking er, "odd" there…<G. Yes, well, who can account for personal tastes?  One man’s oddity is another’s charming eccentricity (helped along by a bit of wishful thinking).

No offense to you, MC, or his buddy, but if you hang a goose-neck magnifier from your vest, "charming eccentricity" will need all the help it can get… I think we may be not on the same page, so to speak.  This would simply be a single small rotating lens that would pivot into place when needed – I doubt it be all that noticeable, hardly "borg-like" (it wouldn’t look like some Cobra helicopter sight), and might even be considered modest, even minimalist, amongst the eyeglass modification bunch.   Actually, the more I thought about it after posting my reply, the more I wondered why I had originally dismissed the idea out of hand.  I know a jeweler in Corvallis and will ask him about suppliers.

And if he can’t, I suspect a ‘net search will turn up a bunch, but if not, let me know – the guy who takes care of my watches has one (this is what gave me the idea), and I’d guess he knows where to get ‘em. Hell, RW has 2 grand Tommy Porchflopper frames with HUD-ready EvianTech2000 biolenses and MC is acting like Erkel and using CNC gear and sneaking into the labs at BASF to redesign Dwayne Wayne’s flip-ups (hey, these 80’s sitcoms just popped into my head, and no, I can’t explain _that_, either.) Fishing in the stream of consciousness again, eh?

Oh, not just fishing – swimming, boating, skiing, and generally cavorting about – the water’s always the right temperature, and it’s always clear as crystal.  Even when it’s an elaborate set of circus animals, or the Roederer…. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JR

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The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.   JR

Why not just use a "sea bag" type closure on a fly (a pant fly, not a fishing fly)?  Frankly, if you guys wouldn’t go out with enough crap loaded up and dangling off of you to make Batman jealous <G, the most you’d have to do is undo your suspenders and a belt.  I put my (lightly loaded) vest on last if I have higher-than-waist "water gear" and have _nothing_ not in a pocket – I can ditch it in about 3 seconds.  I just don’t find taking a wizz a big problem, but…. TC, R

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<SNIP  I  e-mailed a couple of angling colleagues, ( mainly because I could not remember which one uses the gear ) the first one sent me this; http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/7823/14 He reckons it is the bees knees. This might be of interest to Wolfgang ! http://www.franeloptical.com/OPT150900N.html the firm has one or two other novelties which might  be of interest, for instance; http://www.franeloptical.com/Hands_Free_Mags.html http://www.franeloptical.com/FRASNALO.html ( This looks like the swan neck magnifier my other colleague uses). This might work OK as well. http://www.frankedmunds.thomasregister.com/olc/frankedmunds/5.jpg A couple more just for interest; http://www.ilp-online.com/html/ultraviewer.html http://www.modernseniors.com/Make_Life_Easier/AD-Hands_Free.htm http://www.lifewithease.com/magnifree.html http://www.e-sci.com/genSci/1/1002/1005/10361.html http://www.lifeplace.com/Catalog/products/H/hands_free_magnifier.asp TL MC

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<SNIP  I  e-mailed a couple of angling colleagues, ( mainly because I could not remember which one uses the gear ) the first one sent me this; http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/7823/14

Thanks for this and the other links.  I knew about the Wood River magnifier.  I was hoping not to have yet another thing hanging around my neck, but I’ll check it out at my local fly shop and see if there’s a way to attach it to my chest pack. Ah!  Sometimes I think growing old was a mistake. JR

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You might like to look at this; http://www.hatta.com/wecmag.htm Hmmmmmmm! TL MC

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What about those watchmaker’s lenses that attach to the rim of the glasses-frame and rotate into position when needed?  Most I’ve seen have several rotating lenses, but I’d guess you could get or modify it for only one lens of the needed strength.  You might also talk to a surgeon’s supply house. See my reply to rw about not wanting to look any sillier than I absolutely have to.  

Um, and you’re going to wear a pince-nez on a gear-zip and periodically place them in front of sunglasses?  Yeah, no chance of looking er, "odd" there…<G.   Person would look like a damn fly fishing Borg.

I think we may be not on the same page, so to speak.  This would simply be a single small rotating lens that would pivot into place when needed – I doubt it be all that noticeable, hardly "borg-like" (it wouldn’t look like some Cobra helicopter sight), and might even be considered modest, even minimalist, amongst the eyeglass modification bunch.  Hell, RW has 2 grand Tommy Porchflopper frames with HUD-ready EvianTech2000 biolenses and MC is acting like Erkel and using CNC gear and sneaking into the labs at BASF to redesign Dwayne Wayne’s flip-ups (hey, these 80’s sitcoms just popped into my head, and no, I can’t explain _that_, either.) <G TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JR

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What’s the silliest thing you ever saw another fly fisherman wear?   JR

 A cell phone….

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If you use a chest pack, then there is a magnifier available on a swan neck, which attaches to it. It simply folds away when not in use. Looks like the magnifiers sold for attaching to some tying vices. It may even attach to a vest. I have seen a guy using one of these, he also has a light on it, ( a very neat LED mini-lite),  I will ask him where he got it if you like?

Yes, if you would.  I wear a chest pack more often these days than I used to. Breathables will eventually be pass

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Frank The next fishing truck will likely be a Nissan Xterra – it has a first aid kit and looks like a poor man’s Rover. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html I just bought an Xterra about month ago. Seems like a pretty well thought out vehicle. You can get waterproof neoprene seat covers, it has a basket within the roof rack (rack is well capable of hauling a canoe) thats great for waders and boots. The back seat is higher than convential rear seats, (Nissan calls it stadium seating) that is great for my kids to see out on some of the less travelled roads that Dad takes them on. Tim, not an x’r, Long Before you buy.

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(snip glowing review of ford econoline van)

    there you have it; unabashed praise by the very soul of practical living:  john asadi!     and i woulda had him figured for a clapped-out karmann-ghia! wayno

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in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.   The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?

I got a 2wd Mazda (Ranger).  180lbs of sand over the rear wheels and I’ve had no problem.  Very few 4wd vehicles are expected to go off road anyway. Just be careful in the rain & snow and you’ll have no problem (I spun out on I-80 once but it was entirely my fault and I’ve learned my lesson). Mu

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Thinkin’ that my next fishing vehicle might be a 2003 Ford Escape Hybrid. Get’s 40 mpg. Mu

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 Thoughts?

Ex NATO Unimog. — Charlie…

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Frank Three years ago, I bought a new Mazda B4000 extended cab 2 w. drive and put a cap on it.  The thing is 100% Ranger with a Mazda nameplate. It even says "Ford" on the inside of the doors.   It has heavy duty everything, limited slip, semi-knobby tires and today it saw a little offroading as I drove it into a field to get to a nice fishing spot. The thing has 126K miles so far, aiming for 250k.  It’s been re-ended three times and smacked in the front three times.  The paint’s peeling off the cap, the front bumper has seen better days and it has a persistent missfire that’s driving me nuts.  It’s even transported a severely hungover Forty (who isn’t here to defend himself) at a high rate of knots in pursuit of pj, ash, and jeffy.  It’ll hold all my fishing shit plus two inflated float tubes and enough beer to last anyone. The next fishing truck will likely be a Nissan Xterra – it has a first aid kit and looks like a poor man’s Rover. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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The next fishing truck will likely be a Nissan Xterra – it has a first aid kit and looks like a poor man’s Rover.

Unless I can find an original Toyota Land Crusier in good shape.  I love those old, ugly muthas. Peter Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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   Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be.

Hi, I’m partial to Toyota pickups, as are the local car thieves. So when my last one went away without my permission, it was replaced by a Subaru 4wd wagon. Not quite as tough as the truck in ugly situations, but still we’ve taken it lots of places we weren’t sure it would go! Only problem is it only sleeps one comfortably… Cheers, Rick

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the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be.

In Feb. I bought a new Ford F150 XLT short narrow bed in black with air-conditioning and the largest v-8 they make in a 1/2 ton. I think it is against the law to sell a vehicle in Texas without an air-conditioner. Well if not it should be. The only problem I have had is living in this information age. The damn thing has one of those little gadgets that tells you how hot it is inside the cab of the truck…when it is 106 outside and the black truck has been parked in the sun and I get in and start the truck I don’t want to know that it is 165 degrees in the cab of the truck. I gotta move somewhere where it is not so damn hot!!!!! Big Dale  

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.Three years ago, I bought a new Mazda B4000 extended cab 2 w. drive and put a cap on it. The thing has 126K miles so far, aiming for 250k

    42K per year?!  Man, you be the king of road warriors.  I’ll have to look at the Mazda (in 15 or 20 years when this Ranger finally gives up the ghost.).         Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Unless I can find an original Toyota Land Crusier in good shape.  I love those old, ugly muthas.

Yeah, those things are great. I’d love to have one, too, but the prices on ‘em around here (foothills of California’s Sierra Nevada) tend to be higher than Jim Morrison when he wrote "An American Prayer." My current must-have fishing vehicle is a late-model VW Vanagon Syncro 4WD with the Westfalia camper conversion. My wife and I did a four month driveabout through great, gaping chunks of the U.S. and Canada in a VW Eurovan camper a few years back and have lusted after the Vanagon syncro model ever since (shorter wheelbase than the EV, higher ground clearance, and the Westfalia conversion is to the Winnebago conversion as the novels of Philip Roth are to those of Norman Mailer — more fully realized in much less space). Alas, the syncro campers suffer from the same malady as the old Toyota LC’s — everyone else wants one too, so the prices are Italian lettuce (which is to say, radicchio). – sid not portnoy, but complaining anyway

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Well….one of these days I’ll have to woryy about gas mileage but by then maybe the manufacturers will have done better – yeah right… anyhow, I’m partial to Econline vans.  I get the plastic like your grandmother used for the walkways in her house and cut it to fit/cover the entire floor area. Muddy feet and such..?…just sweep clean and then mop. I haul wood in the very back…with old sheets or greasy dirty stuff with a plastic tablecloth.  Enough room to sleep in in a pinch….even two people if the captains chairs in the passenger area are removed. Lay the back seat down and I can haul 4 x 8 sheets of anything. My kayak fits in to where I can shut the doors. Wolf, RW and Kn will be pleased to know that I made some rod holders that keep all rods up by the ceiling over your head. lot to be said for hauling four or six adults….comfortably, with plenty of room…..somebody in your group has to be able to do that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).   I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.   Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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‘01 Subaru Forester to replace my ‘98. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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 I have a Dodge Dakota 4×4 which serves me fine. Being a mid size I managed to get down a couple of trails that a full size might have had a little trouble. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).   I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.   Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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4WD Toyota Pickup King Cab, good gas mileage comfortable and very reliable. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, <snip Frank Reid

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Hi Frank, I just did something similar to your Ranger, except I’m a real Cheapo.  I looked at the Rangers, Tacoma’s, S-10, Sonoma etc.  All too expensive for me (On a budget – Student Loans).  I wanted a Tacoma as I have a preference to Toyota related back to some good experiences.  However, cheapest bottom of the line 4 cylinder stripped was $13,700. I found an Izusu dealership with some deals through the fleet department on stripped 2000 Hombres for $9,777.  It came with bumper and A/C (This is Arizona – A/C is standard).  I had to go out and buy my own Stereo. It’s a 4 cylinder, but still has enough power to climb the Mogollon Rim so that’s OK. I have a little over 5,000 miles on it and been up the Rim about 4 times. So far, I am very happy with it. I plan to put a shell on it and build a camping unit in back.  I’ve done this before in Toyota pickups and have been very successful with the outcome. Good Luck — Bill Endicott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).    I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.    Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Frank, I’d say you got a good price on that truck.  Now, me bein’ a loyal Toyota fan, my current 91 Toy pick-em-up is due for a replacement in a year or two, but if I could do it now, it’d be another Toyota 2 wheel drive Xlong cab to stow all my fishin’ gear behind the front seat and out of sight. A 6′ bed with cap, and a 4" foam mattress and sleeping bag/pillow/teddy bear in the back. (exactly the setup I have now) I have spent many a happy nite in my little rice burner and saved more than the price of the truck on motel bills I didn’t run up.  You might get to see it if I can make the mini-clave with you guys in August. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).    I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.    Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Hello, I wanted a pickup so I could have the back for dirty stuff like outboard motors with stinky gas tanks, electric motors with batteries and dirty waders and boots. I am going to my local small town Ford dealer soon and order a new 2001 Ranger pickup. I am getting the new 205hp overhead cam V6, 5 speed auto trans, 4 wheel drive, limited slip, trailer package. I am going to put on a good canopy w/boat rack for my canoe or 10′ Valco pram. I am getting a larger 16′ boat, motor and trailer so I wanted 4 wheel drive for launching it in bad places. I guess it will be around $25,000. I had an Explorer once that I really loved and this is built on the same platform. The cab is a little more comfortable than most other small trucks. Ranger is the top selling small pickup in it’s class for over a decade.  – Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).    I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.    Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Thoughts?

My current car is a 97 Expedition XLT 4WD 5.4 L. It replaced my Rodeo by being able to tow the Tournament 19 and carry my fly rods rigged overhead w/ the use of web rod holders. My next vehicle will be a Navigator. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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  Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be.

        subaru station wagon.  but, truth be known, i’d rather have charlie choc’s "used" land rover 90 series.  damn thing is in better condition than it was when it left the showroom floor. wayno

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wayno, underachiever, writes: subaru station wagon.  but, truth be known, i’d rather have charlie choc’s "used" land rover 90 series.  damn thing is in better condition than it was when it left the showroom floor.

Audi Avant.  The new "off roader".  Plenty of power and luxury, yet rugged and able to take you just about anywhere with Audi’s Quattro system of all-wheel drive.  And it’ll last you a life time.  Wouldn’t mind havin’ Choc man’s 90 rover either. Dave LaCourse

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I’m partial to 4WD pickups, but to be honest since I needed a dadmobile I settled for a Cherokee a couple of years ago. My favorite fishing ride was an old jeep commanche with an aluminum cap, we put some fishing miles on that one and never got stuck, can’t say that for my old nissan pickup, we got stuck once or twice in 190K miles… Got my eye on a king cab toyota tacoma 4WD for the next ordealmaster pickup, add a cap and it’s the balls for carrying the canoe and float tube out to the woods of Maine for the odd brookie or two. Flyfish

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   Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  <snip It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?        Frank Reid

Frank,   Sounds like you’ve got a pretty nice rig at a reasonable price.   I’ve got a 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee.  We bought it new and have put on 57,000 miles in just over 2 years.  I was thinking about trading for a GMC 1/2 ton club cab with 4 doors, 4×4, etc. and then plugged in what the wholesale price on my used Jeep was.  Around $15,000.  It cost me $7,500/year to own a new Jeep.  Bummer.  The Jeep has been the finest auto that I’ve ever owned.  I love it.  It drives like a car and yet will go anywhere I care to go.  Ownership has been trouble free.  I decided to buy an extended warranty which will get me past 92,000 miles.  Depreciation should slow down over the next few years.  In a couple of years, I’m thinking I will trade the wife’s Miata off and get a slightly used pickup (above) and keep the Jeep for local driving.   I did look at new Jeeps but they changed the shape of the rear opening and my pontoon would not fit through it.  If anyone in the group is considering a Jeep, I would highly recommend that they buy one with the "Up Country" suspension.  This not only raises the Jeep a bit but makes highway driving much more enjoyable.  I wouldn’t have a Jeep without this option.   One could possibly get by without 4 wheel drive around here.  One of the main advantages is the increased height.  This is an advantage whether climbing rocks or plowing through snow.  A 2 wheel drive pickup with positraction or a rear end locker and taller tires would probably go almost anywhere a 4×4 would go for most folks.  There are a few trails around here where 4×4’s are essential, though.   I’m heading to the western clave tomorrow a.m.  The Jeep is going to be pretty full.  A short box pickup with a topper would be nice for both hauling stuff and sleeping.  I’m not much of a fan of sleeping on the ground.  And, with some of our fellow roffers being so close by, sleeping quarters with locks might not be a bad idea:) Bob Skinner   Buffalo, WY — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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   Okay folks, we all done heard about your favorite old fishing car. The topic for today:  New Fishing Cars.  If you could get something in the 2000-2001 model year as a fishing car, within the price range of the average joe (no Humvee, but man would I love one), what would it be. Try to keep your price under $30,000.  If some one gets some real good ideas, then maybe the clavemeister can donate one (just kiddin Warren).    I ask the question because a lot of cars are going on sale real cheap in anticipation of the next model year.  I just went out and finally got me a pick-em-up truck!  Its a 2000 Ford Ranger with the Trailhead package, 3.0L V6, nice wheels and a bedliner.  Got it for less than $14,000 with currently 107 miles on it.    Now for me, this is a good vehicle.  Its not something I will freek out over if it gets seriously crunched, it is infinately modifiable, it has alot of get up and go for city driving (not all my time is spent fishing), it is comfortable for the long ride, and I can take a hose to the interior (with some of my fishing buddies, this is often necessary). It doesn’t have 4 wheel drive, but then again, with all the 4WD vehicles I’ve ever had, I’ve rarely used it (not saying it didn’t come in handy when I did need it).  The biggest thing that 4WD has done for me is reduce the gas mileage.  Thoughts?        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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testing this news server and outlook express, we’ll see Thanks for those who offered assistance Wayne ——

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My server shows it at 5:21pm 2/1/2k.  Get out the wrench, it worked. R Here’s your header and post as I see it:

Thanks, still gonna take some getting use to, the message download is taking forever, but since in this getup I’m not paying for the isp or the server, in theory I can save enough money to pay for a new Abel SW reel (10 wt) ——

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My server shows it at 5:21pm 2/1/2k.  Get out the wrench, it worked. R Here’s your header and post as I see it: Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!ne ws.netfront.net!freenews.netfront.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly read Organization: Netfront http://www.netfront.net/ Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip141.nashville17.tn.pub-ip.psi.net GMT) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news.flash.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:158136 testing this news server and outlook express, we’ll see Thanks for those who offered assistance Wayne ——

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Thanks, still gonna take some getting use to, the message download is taking forever, but since in this getup I’m not paying for the isp or the server, in theory I can save enough money to pay for a new Abel SW reel (10 wt)

LMAO! You’re a friggin’ GENIUS, Wayne! ;^)

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LMAO! You’re a friggin’ GENIUS, Wayne! ;^)

method to my madness trip…. Alas the server been down for 24 hrs now, back on the training wheels. <g Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I can relate to both sides of this arguement for many reasons. As a long time worm fisherman I used to keep all the trout that got hooked so badly they would die anyway. I never considered the fact that using bait caused many more fish to be gut hooked because I was not a passive fisherman. Constant vigilence and setting the hook instantly on any change of line drift or tension resulted in 99% of my fish being hooked in the mouth and easily released. If I brought home 3 fish a week it was lucky and my family loved fresh trout grilled over an open fire.     Then I discovered flyfishing. I started fishing dry flies and watched the number of trout I caught rise at an incredible rate. catching 3 or 4 fish a day was not uncommon. (love those adirondack small streams) and I didnt seem to hurt any more than I did when fishing terratus(from the scientific term for earthworm). this time frame also includes the time when the state made a flyfish only, no kill section of the west branch of the Ausable river in northern ny.     More time has passed and now I can drop a size 20 dry on a7x tippet without a splash and the catch count can get over 30 fish a day, still very low on the casualty rate. Life and reality deal me some shitty blows, unemployment, single parenting, all combine to make fishing a necessity. (hope you never have to explain to your kids why there are no "snacks"  in the house) and yet I find myself unable to change my ways and still only keep the gut hooked fish. Maybe i’m a little slower on the trigger on purpose but rules you make for yourself are harder to break. So we are eating trout 3 days a week (and lots of macaroni and cheese) My eight year old son takes up fly fishing and endorses catch and release whole heartedly, lets every fish go back. But still prefers the ones dad catches over Mrs. Pauls. the center brook is an easy walk from home and loaded with little rainbows from a local dec hatchery so you dont even have to feel guilty if you keep a couple. But the big native brown trout are always set free. The catch and release section of the Ausable gives us tons of pleasure. it’s turning out some very large fish and the state decides to help by stepping up the stocking program.     Time goes on. My son now a gangly ten year old with legs like a three weight rod has become a better fly fisherman than I ever dreamed of being. compared to his presentation, I seem to beat the water to a froth. Times are a little better the wolves are no longer knocking on the door. We’ve graduated to bamboo and don’t get to fish as often as we like but still we’re eating fis two or three times a week. fishing the trophy section of the ausable a couple times a month but the trophy trout are gone. the no kill has become a no skill area loaded with stocked trout who haven’t been in the water long enought to get wet.     so whats the bottom line (#3 weight forward sinking haha). Im not exactly sure. the fly fishing only area managed the way all the books say is right has gone to hell. the other sections of the Ausable where things were left alone and people can remove some of the dumber fish still produces large fish. The flume pool just below the catch and release produces a few 6 pounders every year. The little brook near home still produces large browns. I released a for pounder in july from a pool not over eight feet wide and 18 inches deep. There are enough little stockers to keep the kids happy without being overdone. The fish seem healthy and plentiful. So the best policy seems to be let nature take it’s course. maybe a little nudge to help repair damage we did in the past, but don’t try to force anything on anyone. Only make small changes and if it doesn’t work change it back. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.     As far as animal rights, I  feel that has to be made on a personal basis. if you don’t want to eat animals than don’t,  but I don’t eat vegetables. So, since I would rather not starve I guess I will keep the grill for now, not worry about the carrots and onoins being so alive that they would grow if put back in their natural environment. Since the hook probably hurts the fish less than the hole I allowed some teen aged nitwit at the mall to put in my sons ear, (let’s not go there please) I won’t loose any sleep over the trauma I put them thru

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 Life and reality deal me some shitty blows, unemployment, single parenting, all combine to make fishing a necessity. (hope you never have to explain to your kids why there are no "snacks"  in the house)

I don’t know if you live on the banks of the Ausable or some other attractive water – but in a similar situation I could never justify fishing even if I brought a fish or two home – the cost of gas for the car alone would buy more food for the table then I could ever catch and kill. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and reality deal me some shitty blows, unemployment, single parenting, all combine to make fishing a necessity. (hope you never have to explain to your kids why there are no "snacks"  in the house) I don’t know if you live on the banks of the Ausable or some other attractive water – but in a similar situation I could never justify fishing even if I brought a fish or two home – the cost of gas for the car alone would buy more food for the table then I could ever catch and kill. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

        good grief, ralph:  the guy clearly states that he lives "within walking distance of the central brook", where he keeps the fish his family needed to survive.  then he continues an innocently profound post that goes right to the heart of your obsession, and you choose to jump in his shit about anal retentive economics, the basis of which is hopelessly flawed, factually and conceptually.         you are sometimes a real handfull, ralph.           a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Thanks for pointing that out to me Wayne. Where would I be without you? Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         good grief, ralph:  the guy clearly states that he lives "within walking distance of the central brook", where he keeps the fish his family needed to survive.  then he continues an innocently profound post that goes right to the heart of your obsession, and you choose to jump in his shit about anal retentive economics, the basis of which is hopelessly flawed, factually and conceptually.         you are sometimes a real handfull, ralph.         a. wayne harrison

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Thanks for pointing that out to me Wayne. Where would I be without you?         well, ralph, that is a truly profound question, one that i doubt i can honestly answer.

or answer honestly for that matter! Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         good grief, ralph:  the guy clearly states that he lives "within walking distance of the central brook", where he keeps the fish his family needed to survive.  then he continues an innocently profound post that goes right to the heart of your obsession, and you choose to jump in his shit about anal retentive economics, the basis of which is hopelessly flawed, factually and conceptually.         you are sometimes a real handfull, ralph.         a. wayne harrison

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Thanks for pointing that out to me Wayne. Where would I be without you?

        well, ralph, that is a truly profound question, one that i doubt i can honestly answer.  given your relentless propensity for egocentric analysis, my best bet would be that you would be utterly the same without me as you are with me, and the rest of humanity, for that matter.         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ralph H         good grief, ralph:  the guy clearly states that he lives "within walking distance of the central brook", where he keeps the fish his family needed to survive.  then he continues an innocently profound post that goes right to the heart of your obsession, and you choose to jump in his shit about anal retentive economics, the basis of which is hopelessly flawed, factually and conceptually.         you are sometimes a real handfull, ralph.         a. wayne harrison

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        I’m a beginner spending a week at Lake George, on the s platte near 11 mile canyon. Would sure appreciate suggestions on where to fish and what they’ll likely be eating.         Good local shops forflies and advice would be great also.                         Thanks in advance,                                         Mac

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   I’m a beginner spending a week at Lake George, on the s platte near 11 mile canyon. Would sure appreciate suggestions on where to fish and what they’ll likely be eating.    Good local shops forflies and advice would be great also.                    Thanks in advance,                                    Mac

Mac, you may have seen my post "South Platte Cheesman Canyon:Alert!" I spoke of how I felt the fishing has declined in recent years. Anyway, I too was once a novice and I learned to fish by getting many tips from guides and just very friendly seasoned fly fishermen. At any rate there is a book that I highly recommend called:"Fly Fishing the South Platte River" By: Roger Hill*. This book if digested properly will be an invaluble source of information. Also, I recommend seeing Dick Johnson at the "Flies & Lies" fly shop in Deckers,Colorado. Dick always seems to know what they’re biting on and has everything you need to reel them in.The afore mentioned book is also available at Dick’s shop. Nymphing may be best I think because that’s where the trout seem to be most of the time. For starters use: San Juan worms size:#16 in earth tone. RS-2’s:#18-#20 olive green and gray. Brassies:#18-#24. Pheasant-tail nymphs:#18-#22. Maybe some Miracle nymphs and pupa’s in smaller sizes as well. Fish them in tandum with a couple of split shots and two strike indicators approximately 4-5ft. above your 1st fly. Best of luck, Mac and don’t forget to "Catch and Release." Sincerely, Cliff *A portion of the proceeds from the sales of this book will be donated to Colorado Trout Unlimited. "Best of angling" friends…..

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We traditionally bait or lure cast for speckled trout along the marshy islands at the edge of the Chesapeake Bay.  Fishing is normally in 2-3 feet of water in very grassy areas. Bait and lure casting works — but why wouldn’t fly fishing work just as well(or better)?  I know that in Florida fishing for ’specs is done with ‘float rigs’.  That seems to me to be functionally the same presentation of bait to the fish as with fly fishing techniques. As the spring season approaches, I’d appreciate the benefit from your collective experience so that I can get ready…   Thanks, Herb

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You better believe specks will take a fly.  My buddy Reed Guice and I catch them all the time on fly rods on the flats around the Chandeleur Islands in Louisiana.  The Chesapeake marshes are not that different.   We started out fishing them with nine weights, but over the years we’ve gone lighter and now prefer to use a seven or a six-weight, wind permitting. Use the same technique you probabably already use with casting gear.  Get a drift going over the flats and blind cast from a small boat.  The Mastery bonefish intermediate is a great line for this.  It works the fly just beneath the surface and keeps you feeling connected to the fly as you strip.  Floaters tend to get slack in them when a chop gets up.  A straight section of 6 or 8 lb tippet is all you need.  No bite tippet neccessary.   If I could only use one fly it would be a clouser deep minnow, tied on a #1 hook, lightly dressed, chartreuse bucktail over white.   Another good speck fly is the Cook’s critter, also chatreuse.   Cast in the direction you’re drifting, let it sink a bit and begin to strip.  When you feel a take, set the hook with a strip strike.  Don’t try to set the hook with the rod tip.  If the fish misses, you’ll just pull the fly out of the water.  Strip strike and you’ll have a second or third shot at them. On calm mornings when specks are hitting minnows on the surface, try a pencil popper (or a regular bass popper with rubber legs) fished on a floating line.  Specks will come up and bust poppers  just like bass. They jump too.  But don’t try to horse them, because they’ve got soft mouths. You don’t need a lot of backing for speckled trout.  But a speck of 20 inches or more is plenty of fun on a light flyrod. Good fishing, Skipjack

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We fly fish for specs here on the Texas coast from March through December (depending on the weather) and there are three basic philosophies: 1)  Use a Clouser minnow to get down to trout in water more than two or three feet with a hard bottom. 2)  Use a deer hair like a slider or deceiving bendbackthat sinks slowly but won’t foul on grass 3)  Use a popping bug like a dahlberg diver in water that is shallow but has a grass bottom. I have pictures of a 23" speck, the largest I have taken on a fly rod, but the new Texas record was set about a month ago. It was 33 inches long and weighed more than 13 pounds. sorry to say that I didn’t catch that one. By the way, specs will usually make a short run on you, then pretty much try to burrow into the bottom.

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I also fly-fish for specks as well as redfish in Louisiana.  The best luck I’ve had catching them is in Spring/Summer when the specks move out to the mouths of the bayous (rivers/streams to the rest of you).  You fish on a falling tide and diagonally across the current and let it do the work for you.  Just strip enough to keep contact with the fly.  When they are active, this is more fun that a person is allowed to have! My buddy Reed Guice and I catch them all the time on fly rods on the flats around the Chandeleur Islands in Louisiana.  

I’ve never fly-fished the Chandeleur Is … guess I’ll have to bring the fly rod along on the next trip! David

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The Gila River and tributaries within the Gila National Forest has about two hundred miles of stream that contain Gila trout and Gila-rainbow highbreds. About 45 miles of these are now considered pure Gila trout and are protected. If this population can be expanded and stabilized Gila trout may soon be down listed and fishing allowed in the future. In the mean time one can fish for Gila-rainbow highbreds in many streams. Brown trout are found in several streams and brook trout in Whitewater Creek and South Fork Whitewater Creek. Smallmouth are found in the Mainstream, East Fork, Middle Fork, and Beaver Creek. Almost all of the good flyfishing is found in the wildness and requires hiking. Ron

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information on the locations of gila trout are in the nm fishing regulations as restricted waters.  the u.s. fish and wildlife are listed as saving these trout during the forest fire season and may provide referrences.

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First a note:  How do I get the text of the post I’m responding to included?  Everyone else does it, and all I ever get is a blank screen for my post.  Makes it harder to peg in my reply for the casual reader. Anyhow, I can only say a little about the Gila trout, and that indirectly.  Earlier this week, I attended and testified at a hearing (in Socorro, NM) about the reintroduction of the Mexican wolf.  On that occasion, I had the "opportunity" to hear the positions of a variety of New Mexican cattle ranchers from that area.  And there were aspersions cast on the trout, as another gosh darn way people interfere with ranchers (the ONLY people who actually *work* for a living — everyone else is on "welfare", including but not limited to government employees, corporate employees and anyone involved in education).  Not a comment that gives you much of an answer, but at least you know somebody’s out there, reading your post… BTW, I think that reintroduction of the wolves would be good for trout, a la Leopold’s "Thinking Like a Mountain".  Vegetation is GOOD for watersheds, hydrological regimes, water quality, etc. etc.  When you "think like a mountain", you get nervous about ways of doing things that denude the countryside.   E.

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Hi.  I am new to fishing but just purchased a rod and spin outfit to take on a backpacking/rock climbing trip to the Big Sandy area in the southern Wind River Mountains in Wyoming.  The lakes where we’ll be (Clear Lake and Deep Lake near Mt. Haystack, most likely) are supposedly full of brook trout, and we hope to catch some for a couple of nice dinners (I’ll get my partner to pack in the wine by marking it "fuel", I suppose!).  I have been told that any fly resembling a mosquito (Irresistible Adams was suggested as a first choice, as well as Wooly Worms and Wooly Buggers) would work well, though I don’t know what hook size would be appropriate. I really don’t know mcuh about catching a fish.  Some of the questions I have are: Is this information in a FAQ I haven’t found? Which would work best? How does one use a spin outfit to cast with flies?   Can I just put on a bubble or a piece of shot and cast like that? Would I be better off just using a small spinner or jig? The last few days here in New Haven, Connecticut have been beautiful.  We spent yesterday rock climbing at the Shawangunks, New York.  I hope the days are fine in your neck of the woods! Thanks for any help.  Please email any responses since I don’t get to check newsgroups too often. Much obliged, Rene’ Renteria

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?   regards

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:   My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant :   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body? :   regards I have seen the Grannom advertised as the Brachycentrus caddis, the color of which I know not.  Perhaps an entomologist can now help.                                 -jamie

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?

"Grannom" is the common name in Great Britain for the caddisfly _Brachycentrus subnubilus_.  The term has also been applied to _Brachycentrus_ species in North America.  The flies are dark, and dark brown for the body color is as good a guess as any.  But when selecting flies, you will do better to observe the insects on the stream you’re fishing, rather than depending on the hatch chart.  Knowing the name that people gave to the fly is not the same as knowing the fly. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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Olive green body.  Slate/tan wings. That’s the coloration for Brachycentrus numerosus in east. Also known as the Shad fly. Size 16. Tight lines! Steve Glad

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        Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…         My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-         From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.         From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).         I’m kind of busy for another week or so, and like I’ve said- I’m no expert here.  Is there some flyfishing sys admin who could help us set it up?  Or email me and I’ll do it myself?  If you don’t think we should have a new newsgroup, that’s fine.  But, you certainly can’t be against having a discussion and vote, right?         Thanks- -Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…    My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-    From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.    From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).

  Technically, any discussion on here is pretty much a waste of time if   the true intent is to alter/create newsgroups and/or their structure.   Your efforts would be better spent in the news.- forums, because   that is where these things are decided.   Personally, I just don’t see the traffic in either alt.fishing or   rec.outdoors.fishing that would indicate the need for further   subdivision.  The fact that the flyfish listserv does carry a lot of   traffic is totally irrelevant to any discussion of usenet newsgroups –   they just aren’t related.  And who says bass fisherman don’t also   flyfish? — Northern Trust Co.  Chicago, IL |  DoD #97779  88 FLHTC

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Certainly the list-server will NOT be shut down for a varity of reasons, not to mention that some folks do not have access to a news server – only e-mail. I do think we need to pursue the creation of rec.fishing.flyfishing or whatever. Thomas Gilg First, let me clarify that I’m NOT proposing we terminate the flyfishing listserv. I do remain concerned however at the listserv’s explosive growth, and the ability of the list maintainer and we readers to keep up with it.           Flyfish Listserv Post Statistics for 11/92 thru 2/94       1000        950                                          *        900        850    p   800    o   750                                             + (half month)    s   700    t   650                              *    s   600                                       *        550                  *              *  *        500        450        400               *     *  *  *        350        300            *        250        200         *        150      *        100   *        50 *           11 12 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 1  2           1992                 1993                 1994                            month and year I loved the group *the way it was*, but times are changing, and none of us can change that fact.   Question is, what should we do?    I see several opportunities:    o Get more leverage from NEWS    o Find tools which help e-mail only users deal with the traffic.    o Setup services that give users visibility into the forums they      currently don’t have access to.    o Figure out how WWW/Mosaic might help us. Other options (I’m not endorsing) include:    o Restricted list servers    o Subgrouped flyfish listserv’s What it all comes down to: how do we manage the unstoppable growth, changes and limits we’re seeing in the electronic flyfishing forums? Thomas Gilg

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