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Very exciting.  One of the best. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long? Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s.

Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? JR

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time?

There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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And about time all the hype about how bad the Rams were going to beat the snots out of New England. I had faith in New England all along. Now we are singing that Queen song We Are The Champions. Just think if one had put a $1000  wager on New England in Vegas at odds of 75 to 1. I could buy that Hardy reel and Winston rod even if they are overpriced.       Handyman         Mike Handyman   Mike

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-)

Shoulda seen it.  Guess I thought "only since 1960," from someone probably also a Red Sox fan, could have been serious.  :) JR

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John, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Russell, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

Cheers for NE, but I’ll always think Bellicek is a stiff.  I truly believe that Modell hired him to drive the Browns into the ground to quell the uproar when he announced they were leaving. Scott What, me pass on a conspiracy theory??  Never!!

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testing

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’nuff said.

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’nuff said.

Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?   Congratulations, all you Back Easters. JR

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

No, only since 1960. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

Thank you. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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’nuff said. Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

On behalf of the guys that deserve it, thank you. In the last week the local media had the whole New England area cranked to within a few points of a mass aneurism. In truth, just getting to the Superbowl was more than we could have hoped for, but to have this team pull off a stunning three game series of upsets was just amazingly exciting. These guys demonstrably brought all the best to the word "team". A class act, they deserve everything they got. Good for ‘em! /daytripper (Stayin’ up late with ESPN

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It may just be my monitor, but I think I liked Paul’s shot better than the example.

Please don’t mistake my post for a critique of Paul’s picture. His looks awesome and has a very high resolution. Plus he tied that fly himself for crying out loud. I’m just wondering when he’s going to fish with it There have been other threads of late about digital cameras and I think Paul’s image speaks highly of what a digital camera can do. In my post, I was simply commenting on how–in general–to get a solid-colored background. It was admittedly a bit of a non sequitur. –Steve

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Steve, Thanks for the info…I was just pretty impressed by quality of the orig photo. I just bought my daughter a 35mm (by her request), but now am wondering if she would be better off just getting a digi. cam. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may just be my monitor, but I think I liked Paul’s shot better than the example. Please don’t mistake my post for a critique of Paul’s picture. His looks awesome and has a very high resolution. Plus he tied that fly himself for crying out loud. I’m just wondering when he’s going to fish with it There have been other threads of late about digital cameras and I think Paul’s image speaks highly of what a digital camera can do. In my post, I was simply commenting on how–in general–to get a solid-colored background. It was admittedly a bit of a non sequitur. –Steve

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Gorgeous fly, Paul, and a great photo. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi, It was the Olympus 2020z with a wide angle adapter lens. With that adapter and the undocumented macro mode I was able to get 1.9" from the fly. I lit the fly with my halogen desk lamp. Paul

Paul, it is a GREAT shot.  The shaded background gives the fly a perfect richness of depth, and truly highlights the colors. — "Of what service would militia be to you, when most probably you will not have a single musket in the State; for as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not furnish them?" -Patrick Henry,  5 June 1788

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It may just be my monitor, but I think I liked Paul’s shot better than the example. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With that adapter and the undocumented macro mode I was able to get 1.9" from the fly. I lit the fly with my halogen desk lamp. Other general pointers… To get a white background, prop a piece of paper behind the fly. To avoid glare, block the overhead light using a clipboard or something similar, turn off the flash and then overexpose the shot. Here are a couple of examples: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/mosquito.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/humpy.jpg Sometimes it’s nice to have a other backgrounds with little or no glare as well. Same technique applies. For a black background, I’ve found that an Unreal Tournament T-shirt works pretty well . You can vary the amount of glare by blocking more or less overhead light. Examples: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0722.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0764.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0698.jpg Standard disclaimer… I’m an amateur photographer at best (but I have tried lots and lots of close up shots, most of which look pretty crappy). I defer to RW and Wayno for "real" photos. –Steve

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… http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0764.jpg …

Ooooo, ahhhhhh. That reel sure goes nicely with a Hamilton Rod. What is that, a Peerless ? — Ken Fortenberry

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With that adapter and the undocumented macro mode I was able to get 1.9" from the fly. I lit the fly with my halogen desk lamp.

Other general pointers… To get a white background, prop a piece of paper behind the fly. To avoid glare, block the overhead light using a clipboard or something similar, turn off the flash and then overexpose the shot. Here are a couple of examples: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/mosquito.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/humpy.jpg Sometimes it’s nice to have a other backgrounds with little or no glare as well. Same technique applies. For a black background, I’ve found that an Unreal Tournament T-shirt works pretty well . You can vary the amount of glare by blocking more or less overhead light. Examples: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0722.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0764.jpg http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/DCP_0698.jpg Standard disclaimer… I’m an amateur photographer at best (but I have tried lots and lots of close up shots, most of which look pretty crappy). I defer to RW and Wayno for "real" photos. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for putting it on-line; my _great_ (sic) provider does provide me with the replies, but not with the binary . Great looking fly! Love the married slips. Looking at works of art like these, I remember the late Hans de Groot, a well known flytier from the Netherlands. He was tying a salmon fly at an exhibition. Some guy was watching him, and asked Hans how much he wanted for it, once he finished. ‘I don’t sell flies’ he murmured under his beard, and slowly and meticulously continued tying his fly. ‘I give you a hundred guilders for it’ said the man, palming his wallet. ‘I don’t sell flies’, was the undisturbed reply. This went on, a sweating man bidding up, Hans slowly finishing his fly. When he was finished he looked at a young boy, who head eyed every step of the process. ‘Do you like it?’ ‘Yes’ ‘It’s yours, take it.’ The now red with anger guy looked at Hans, who calmly said.. ‘I told you. I don’t sell flies..’ He is missed. Herman

And the modern American ending to the story: The boy then turned to the angry man and said, "It will be up on E-Bay in the morning."

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1600×1200, 384KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander.jpg

Which camera? Mu

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Hi, It was the Olympus 2020z with a wide angle adapter lens. With that adapter and the undocumented macro mode I was able to get 1.9" from the fly. I lit the fly with my halogen desk lamp. Paul . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1600×1200, 384KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander.jpg Which camera? Mu

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Very kind of you Paul, thanks.   The fly looks very nice, and the photo is good as well. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I just pushed the files up to my site. 1600×1200, 384KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander.jpg 800×600, 69KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander800×600.jpg If there are photos posted to APBF in the future that you want to see send me a note and I’ll load them for you. Paul

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Thanks for putting it on-line; my _great_ (sic) provider does provide me with the replies, but not with the binary . Great looking fly! Love the married slips. Looking at works of art like these, I remember the late Hans de Groot, a well known flytier from the Netherlands. He was tying a salmon fly at an exhibition. Some guy was watching him, and asked Hans how much he wanted for it, once he finished. ‘I don’t sell flies’ he murmured under his beard, and slowly and meticulously continued tying his fly. ‘I give you a hundred guilders for it’ said the man, palming his wallet. ‘I don’t sell flies’, was the undisturbed reply. This went on, a sweating man bidding up, Hans slowly finishing his fly. When he was finished he looked at a young boy, who head eyed every step of the process. ‘Do you like it?’ ‘Yes’ ‘It’s yours, take it.’ The now red with anger guy looked at Hans, who calmly said.. ‘I told you. I don’t sell flies..’ He is missed. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I just pushed the files up to my site. 1600×1200, 384KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander.jpg 800×600, 69KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander800×600.jpg If there are photos posted to APBF in the future that you want to see send me a note and I’ll load them for you. Paul Is there any way we could obtain some ROFF space somewhere for pictures like this, even temporary space for a week or so?  I am completely unable to [snip]

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Is there any way we could obtain some ROFF space somewhere for pictures like this, even temporary space for a week or so?  I am completely unable to obtain APBF, and I would certainly like to look at some of the things being posted there.

I don’t know how well it will work, but there’s a site… http://www.imira.com that will host photo albums. I just created a group for ROFF name: roff password: roffroff   (it wanted at least 6 characters) You can create various albums and subalbums there, but I haven’t tried it out yet.      - Ken

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Paul, very, very nice. May I suggest that you modify the width of the jpeg to 500-600 pixels? This will load the pic on a 15 or 17 inch monitor and allow the viewer to see the complete fly in all of it’s glory w/o having to use sidebars to view. again, very nice… you have talent. Walt

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I cut it in half (800×600) and posted it to APBF for those who are diagonally challenged. I just got a 22" flat screen and the picture fits perfectly. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 8< Paul, very, very nice. May I suggest that you modify the width of the jpeg to 500-600 pixels? This will load the pic on a 15 or 17 inch monitor and allow the viewer to see the complete fly in all of it’s glory w/o having to use sidebars to view. again, very nice… you have talent. Walt

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That’s no highlander, where’s the kilt! But more to the point – will you fish it? Seriously, there’s a huge amount of work in that fly and the makings of a serious addiction.  I’m always amazed at the patience and artistry in these things.  Far more than this feeble tier can manage. Hats off. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I cut it in half (800×600) and posted it to APBF for those who are diagonally challenged. I just got a 22" flat screen and the picture fits perfectly. Paul

I just posted nice things about your fly but I after hearing you brag about your 22′ flat screen I’m taking it all back.  <g Peter (still squinting at a bent tube) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I cut it in half (800×600) and posted it to APBF for those who are diagonally challenged. I just got a 22" flat screen and the picture fits perfectly. Paul

much better! walt

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I just got a 22" flat screen and the picture fits perfectly.

And speaking of gear whores… –Steve

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Is there any way we could obtain some ROFF space somewhere for pictures like this, even temporary space for a week or so?  I am completely unable to obtain APBF, and I would certainly like to look at some of the things being posted there. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cut it in half (800×600) and posted it to APBF for those who are diagonally challenged. I just got a 22" flat screen and the picture fits perfectly. Paul

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Purty fly!! Willi

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Mike, I just pushed the files up to my site. 1600×1200, 384KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander.jpg 800×600, 69KB http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/greenhilander800×600.jpg If there are photos posted to APBF in the future that you want to see send me a note and I’ll load them for you. Paul

Is there any way we could obtain some ROFF space somewhere for pictures like this, even temporary space for a week or so?  I am completely unable to

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After threatening to do it for a few years I sat down and tied a classic salmon fly. I tied a green highlander and posted a picture of it on APBF. There are a bunch of things I need to work on and I did take a couple of shortcuts but it’s not bad for a first try. This was a test for tying one on some antique blind eye salmon hooks I have. The picture is about 400KB and quite revealing. With the naked eye I thought the body was smooth. The naysayers of digital cameras might want to look at the detail that the camera captured.

Great photo of a true work of art! Thanks Paul. — "Of what service would militia be to you, when most probably you will not have a single musket in the State; for as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not furnish them?" -Patrick Henry,  5 June 1788

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After 8< Paul, very, very nice. May I suggest that you modify the width of the jpeg to 500-600 pixels? This will load the pic on a 15 or 17 inch monitor and allow the viewer to see the complete fly in all of it’s glory w/o having to use sidebars to view.

I still have no way of viewing ABPF, but a 500 pixel width will cover less than 1/3 of my screen (it’s the resolution, not the size of the monitor that matters). Guess it doesn’t matter, since I can’t see it, but if I could I’d prefer bigger images and people can shrink them if they have less resolution, it’s impossible to make them bigger from smaller images.      - Ken

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After threatening to do it for a few years I sat down and tied a classic salmon fly. I tied a green highlander and posted a picture of it on APBF. There are a bunch of things I need to work on and I did take a couple of shortcuts but it’s not bad for a first try. This was a test for tying one on some antique blind eye salmon hooks I have. The picture is about 400KB and quite revealing. With the naked eye I thought the body was smooth. The naysayers of digital cameras might want to look at the detail that the camera captured.

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Pat Gilmore ask: <<Who is in control of this news group? Finecast Murphy

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Who is in control of this news group?

Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

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Who is in control of this news group?

No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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Charles Darwin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

I would imagine that you took a little grief about announcing your pontoon boat sale on this newsgroup and that you’d like to discuss with the "master" why your ISP is giving you a hard time and what you possibly could have done wrong. Fair enough, but there is no "master". We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. FWIW, Pat, I didn’t fire off a complaint to your ISP because that was the first bit of SPAM I’d seen from your direction and you’d explicitly apologized for it in the body of your SPAM. I don’t doubt though, that other members of this forum did not share my opinion, and sent polite complaints to your ISP. Whatever you had planned to say to the "master" you can say here in open forum. Most of us are assholes, few of us even polite, but there you go, it’s Usenet and you’ll just have to take your chances. I personally don’t mind an OCCASIONAL mention of sales and closeouts from regular contributors to this forum, but if you don’t contribute here, your commercials are not likely to be welcome here. That’s just my opinion, of course, and of the 112 regular posters here my opinion is worth somewhat less than 1/112. So, you were saying … — Ken Fortenberry

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That would be Manos. You know, the "hands of fate"? " The master will see you now……" -Muskie

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ROFL.  Good one!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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… We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial.

I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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Who is in control of this news group? Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

Typical, one of the worst weeks in ROFF history and it’s all my fault. Peter (counting the days to Wolfie’s week)

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

You are. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame. Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

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Well, and someone doesn’t give it to anyone, ya know. Who knows, but then again, he’s out fishing with someone’s boat. Ask anyone! Noone will tell you what is in control. Herman, someone too. Who is in control of this news group? Finecast No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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_______  Did someone call? — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks For the Book of Gink: : )  Fly fishing is so much fun its something you should be able to do in bed.

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Who is in control of this news group?

That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Lucky for you Ken, or I wuz gonna borrow one of John’s guns…… I do appreciate the remembrance tho, one does not work this hard for 67 yrs to lose ones’ old fart status to a Bud induced brain fart. <g Frank (massuese magnet) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were. Thanks for reminding me of the song… Much thanks to Al Y. for the amusing albums. T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were.

Your wish is my command (it’s "chainsaw", not that I have the CD or anything): Dare To Be Stupid    Put down that chainsaw and listen to me    It’s time for us to join in the fight    It time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys    It time to let the bed bugs bite    You better put all your eggs in one basket    You better count your chickens before they hatch    You better sell some wine before its time    You better find yourself an itch to scratch    You better squeeze all the charmin you can    When Mr. Whipple’s not around    Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan    Talk with your mouth full    Bite the hand that feeds you    Bite off more than you can chew    What can you do?    Dare to be stupid    Take some wooden nickels    Look for Mr. Goodbar    Get your mojo working now    I’ll show you how    You can    Dare to be stupid    You can turn the other cheek    You can just give up the ship    You can eat a bunch of sushi and forget to leave a tip    Dare to be stupid    Come on and dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you       Lets go    It’s time to make a mountain out of a molehill    So can I have a volunteer    There’s no more time for crying over spilt milk    Now it’s time for crying in your beer    Settle down raise a family join the PTA    Buy some sensible shoes and a chevrolet    Then party til you’re broke and they drag you away    It’s okay    You can dare to be stupid    It’s like spitting on a fish    It’s like barking up a tree    It’s like they say you gotta buy one if you want    To get one free    Dare to be stupid    Yeah why don’t you dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you    Dare to be stupid    Burn your candle at both ends    Look a gift horse in the mouth    Mashed potatoes can be your friends    You can be a coffee achiever    You can sit around the house and Leave It To Beaver    The Future’s up to you    So what you gonna do    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    What did I say?    Dare to be stupid    Tell me what did I say?    Dare to be stupid    It’s alright    Dare to be stupid    We can be stupid all night    Dare to be stupid    Come on join the crowd    Dare to be stupid    Shout it out loud    Dare to be stupid    I can’t hear you    Dare to be stupid    Okay, I can hear you now    Dare to be stupid    Let’s go    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid Thanks for reminding me of the song…

Yeah, dammit, I’ve had that song stuck in my head ever since Mike put it in his sig. ,      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

This is gonna be fun!

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast This is gonna be fun!

Harry Mason www.Troutflies.com

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

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Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October.

Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

Go to the Deschutes river.   You’ll have a chance to catch trout and steelhead.   Check at a couple of the fly shops in Portland.   One other fishery that will be going on is the Tillomook bay/river.  You can go for the BIG chinook in the Trask or Wilson rivers.   There are other rivers on the coast that have this same fall chinook run going on.  When you get into town call Fisherman’s Outdoor at 503-283-8310 or Great American Tackle at 503-650-2662 they can direct you in the right direction. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/

Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Well, good for you! I didn’t have my flyrod along on Sunday, but was keeping a watchful eye for rising fish, and saw none. Guess we have different opinions on what constitutes a "World Class river." I like the N. Santiam, but have never seen it given that kind of status. Also, never have seen it listed in any "top rivers" articles. I didn’t see my experience as a "problem" as I wasn’t fishing. If I was and I heard about your success the prior day, I would readily admit that it was my problem! Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing

river." Someone responsed: Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours.

The North Santiam can be excellent for trout and steelhead until they start dumping lots of water out of Detroit Reservoir.  For bank fishers I would rank it behind the Deschutes, but for float fishers, there are some outstanding areas. Thomas Gilg

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions.

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions. Try hand grenades.  Be sure to use a tapered leader.

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Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S.

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Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S.

Bill, Family is Sialidae and only the single genus, Sialis, occurs in North America.  Not being an entomologist I could be mistaken but I am fairly certain of my resource.  Hope this helps. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S. Bill, it’s funny you mentioned it, and I have heard it before,and can’t remember, but it then occured to me that my grandfather gave me a book written in the 50’s by the Sportman’s cigarettes company,it’s

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James Ehlers is correct. Alderflies belong to the family Sialidae, and there is a single genus, Sialis. There are about 20 or so species. They are in the order Megaloptera, at least that is where most entomologists place them, although I sometimes see Megaloptera listed as a suborder of Neuroptera. — Tim Lysyk http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.

Hi This is certainly bad news.  Unfortunately this disease will probably take a lot longer to get rid of than it took to get it; if ever. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.

Does anyone know of any studies on the effects of WD on steelhead.  I fear the worst, but I would be interested in any facts anyone may have? Lyman Lyman G. Hughes Dallas, TX Ennis, MT

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I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada.

Several years ago–when the news about whirling disease first hit the Montana newstands, I remember feeling angry, and somewhat depressed… "here we go again," I thought: hominid over-popuation-polution run amok. suggested that the low rainbow numbers in Montana’s Madison river were more due to poor fish & game regulations than whirling disease. medicago was particularly critical of Dick Vincent, who is a local fish and game hero, for pioneering our "manage for wild trout" policy. medicago ventured the real reason for such low rainbow numbers was over-fishing and redd trompling during the spawing months in March and April. He also predicted that other river systems–that experience less intense fishing pressure than the Madison–would exhibit more resilient rainbow populations. I thought he was a fool.    The jury is still out. But perhaps I (we) were the fools after all. Whirling disease has been found in many drainages in Montana now, and as far as I know, only the Madison has suffered such a catastrphic population loss. Perhaps the combination of over-fishing AND whirling disease is just too much for the rainbows to handle. Perhaps we all need to fish a little bit less. I’m not taking sides here, just raising a few questions….. —

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.

I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada. Should anyone be aware of any accounts of this that can be substantiated (or along the border)I would like to know. Hopefully there will be no messages! Tight Lines Don Stokes Outdoor Columnist in Kingston Ont. area of CANADA

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish. This news really makes me sad.  Beautiful country and absolutely

wonderful river – my favorite in eastern Washington.  George is probably just as ticked, seeing as how this section of the G.R. is just a hop, skip and a jump from Asotin. Brett

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I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada. Several years ago–when the news about whirling disease first hit the Montana newstands, I remember feeling angry, and somewhat depressed… "here we go again," I thought: hominid over-popuation-polution run amok.

Text Deleted…    The jury is still out. But perhaps I (we) were the fools after all. Whirling disease has been found in many drainages in Montana now, and as far as I know, only the Madison has suffered such a catastrphic population loss. Perhaps the combination of over-fishing AND whirling disease is just too much for the rainbows to handle. Perhaps we all need to fish a little bit less. I’m not taking sides here, just raising a few questions….. —

In California we have had WD for decades. The Truckee River was where it was first noticed, over 40 years ago. If you go to that river you will see a lot of trout – rainbows and browns. One of my favorite places to fish in the Sierra mtns. has had WD for 18 years. It’s got a lot of trout. WD is a serious disease, and I hope the people involved continue to work towards a cure, but WD is not the end of fishing for trout. It’s not the doomsday disease some people make it out to be. Perhaps there are less trout than there would be without WD, but I still have fun and catch fish in WD positive waters. Darryl Hayashida

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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters.  The Grand Ronde River in Does anyone know of any studies on the effects of WD on steelhead.  I fear the worst, but I would be interested in any facts anyone may

Hmmm, I was just wondering the same thing.  The Grand Ronde has always had such a neat looking strain of steelhead, it would be sad to see them wiped out. -Burton

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in    clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

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If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in   clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

Excellant advise T-bone!!  I like someone who can find a reason to fish no matter what.  As my grandfather used to say: "… which would you rather do… or go fishing?" Jack Wheeler

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o  What are the major rivers/other opportunities

You’ll be nearest the upper Colorado River in the Kremmling/Hot Springs area. o  How far are they from Winter Park

Roughly 30 or 45 minutes. o  What are the likely conditions

Runoff varies from year to year.  If the rest of the Winter’s mild, late June should be OK.  Check river conditions at: http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/RFAnglers/rfa.htm That’s Glenwood Springs, but it should give you some idea (there are other river flow sources on the Web). o  Who’s the leading outfitter/guide service

Sorry, I’m not familiar with outfitters in that area. o  What’s worth traveling to for an overnight

Again, check out the website above… M

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By chance, is there a FF FAQ. I just started FF this year and I’m really getting into it. In fact, the only flies that I used this year were ones that I tied myself. The problem is that I only had success with one type of fly, that being the basic hackle fly. I need to find a source of fly tying info, such as how to’s and different types of flies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If it helps, I fish mostly for speckle trout, pike and bass, although I’ve only caught the specks on the fly Thanks, Greg.

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Seems like the year is turning early here in CT. Already one of my favorite rivers, the Housatonic, is filling with drifting leaves. Its rapidly getting to the point where fishing is more like raking leaves with a single-tined rake. Did summer really slip away so quickly? Or is this just a case of getting a bit older? JL 8-Wt Editor

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Seems like the year is turning early here in CT. Already one of my favorite rivers, the Housatonic, is filling with drifting leaves. Its rapidly getting to the point where fishing is more like raking leaves with a single-tined rake. Did summer really slip away so quickly? Or is this just a case of getting a bit older?

The Aspens and Gambels Oaks turned early here in Colorado. Could it mean an early winter?  Could it mean lots of snow? Should I put away my fly-rod and get out my skis? — -Wayne Trzyna

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By chance, is there a FF FAQ. I just started FF this year and I’m really getting into it. In fact, the only flies that I used this year were ones that I tied myself. The problem is that I only had success with one type of fly, that being the basic hackle fly. I need to find a source of fly tying info, such as how to’s and different types of flies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If it helps, I fish mostly for speckle trout, pike and bass, although I’ve only caught the specks on the fly Thanks, Greg.

I’m also interested in a FF FAQ, can anybody help me?

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that … Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs? Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle …  |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|       800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that …

You could throw a dry fly in the ocean but you’re not likely to catch anything.  The best place I can think of offhand would be Loch Lomand Reservoir in Felton. If you get there really early in the morning you might pick up a trout or two.  A few years ago I was catching tons on bluegill on wet flies casting from a canoe.  There’s some nice largemouths in the coves as well.  You’d have to wait till next season but you can pick up some steelhead in the San Lorenzo river and Scott creek, north of Davenport. I can’t really think of any good streams in the vicinity that would provide dry fly fishing.  No legal ones anyway. Your best bet is to head to the Sierra. Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs?

I know a 19lb. catfish was caught out of Loch Lomand as well a couple of years ago.  I don’t know of any sloughs in the Santa Cruz area but the Delta is full of them. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle … |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|     800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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