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…….no one in Roff knows me….

I do!  I do! Idiot. Wolfgang

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense.

The funniest thing I have heard in my 45 years… Paul

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick

I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. George Gehrke

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense. The funniest thing I have heard in my 45 years… Paul

SEE, Paul!  There you go again! George Gehrke "who ended this thread two posts ago"

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused??

It’s very long, complicated, confusing, amazing, not a little amusing, sad, extraordinary……um ……and a whole bunch of other adjectives. The short version.  Mike asked George not to send him any more emails some time ago.  He made it quite clear that failure to comply with this request would result in the emails being posted to ROFF and the rest, as they say, is history.  Opinions vary on whether George is genuinely and thoroughly demented or merely genuinely demented but still sane enough to be responsible for his actions.  It should not prove difficult to determine who allies him(or her)self with which camp but, for the record, it don’t matter to me.    :) Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence.

Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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Spoil-sport! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer….   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

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I’, George here really hasn’t changed except Roff has.

        that is exactly right.  and that is because roff is darwinian, and is in the process of rejecting you.  the day will come, not that long from this day, that you will simply be a bad memory. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

Uh oh!  Good God ya’ll, don’t just stand there!  Quick, what’s the number for 911?  Hurry, for pity’s sake, he’s swallowed a fuckin dictionary!     Wolfgang

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that is exactly right.  and that is because roff is darwinian, and is in the process of rejecting you.  the day will come, not that long from this day, that you will simply be a bad memory.

you’re such an appreciative and faithful friend. as i pointed  out in this thread.  crow begets crow.  now, if you only understood and was more responsible to yourself, perhaps your misguided ravings towards old friends would cease?  that is too much to expect from a raving raven, huh? bad memories indeed?  you have a lot of nerve to talk buster because if you’re anything, you’re not darwinian at all wayne.  I am but a mirror of yourself.  haven’t you got that figured out yet wayne? think man!  think. Your pal in the great northwest, George "who is being nice.  very nice"

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  The short version.  Mike asked George not to send him any more emails some time ago.  He made it quite clear that failure to comply with this request would result in the emails being posted to ROFF and the rest, as they say, is history.  Opinions vary on whether George is genuinely and thoroughly demented or merely genuinely demented but still sane enough to be responsible for his actions.  It should not prove difficult to determine who allies him(or her)self with which camp but, for the record, it don’t matter to me.    :) Wolfgang

Oh yes it does.   It matters a lot to you.  You live on misery Weirdwolf. George Gehrke had you figured out years ago You’re not a bad guy Wolfie, you’re just cofused about your importance in life.  Without others, you would have no identy in Roff. tilt* !

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

Er, ‘cuse me, von Wrongtoffen, but "north" ain’t "up," either on the map or otherwise.  And I have no idea what may be up "Weirdwolf," but it ain’t north, neither…yeah, you musta been one real serious asset to the Commies during that little to-do in Korea…heck they probably even have an "Order of National Flag" waitin’ for you, if only you could find your way there to collect it…yessir, I can see it now: Kim Chong-il and "P’yongyang Ginkles," whatta photo-op…maybe your buddy Ted could fly you and his ex over to relive your glory days…

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

The ladies will, unfortunately (well, maybe it’s really fortunate when you think about it, but that’s another matter entirely), be unable to comprehend this on quite the visceral level that a man can, but ya know how ya cringe every time ya see some poor bastard get hit in the nuts on one of those funniest home video shows?  THAT’S what life is like for your would be supporters every time they see a post come up listing you as the author. Thanks. I KNEW I could count on you.      :) Idiot. Wolfgang

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I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada.

       3. A late model bowling ball.

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I have to admit, you got me on that one. Lawrence Manzer NB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada.        3. A late model bowling ball.

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Idiot. Wolfgang

Talking to yourself again Weirdwolf?  You’re not an idiot.  You are a protracted peace in a state of confusion.  Just remember, if you’re an idiot that makes you a genius.  That’s not so bad. George Gehrke "caring about you"

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense. I regard most in Roff as really neat people and as long as people are civil to me, I will always be respectful towards them.  My policy will continue to be that of condemning in private and praising in public.  If everyone in Roff would do the same and open their E-mail boxes like men, then I think it would be a step in the right direction for them to talk to each other in a manly and mature fashion. My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private and are not an open license to call others names or to demean them in private either. Men of logic use the best communication tools possible to get their points across.  The ability to tell a man to go to hell and make them look forward to the trip is known as "Rocky Mountain Diplomacy" which is something I hope to teach Wayne Harrison, given enough time . . . let’s say, five years? That aside, George here really hasn’t changed except Roff has.  When anyone dishes out nonsense, they should be able to eat a plate of raw crow in return.  Crow begot crow from this author.  At least, I’ve always tried to be civil but the next time anyone comes knocking on my door, the invite they receive will be an immediate reaction to the first words out of their mouths.  Come as a friend.  The rest of you who are not friends with anyone will find one here.  That anyone has so many friends they can’t use another needs thought on their part. Frankly, no one in Roff knows me.  I mean, no one.  Until you do or possibly fly fish with me as I guide you down the No Name River, it would be wise you reserve judgment. That said, all I can offer is that anyone who is man enough to step up to the plate and get ready for the first pitch. STRIKE ONE!  Oh?  You didn’t see that one, huh?  Okay, care to come inside and try some fly tying instead, (?) because you can’t hit for shit. George Gehrke "wisdom comes from a life-time of studying miles of rivers and seeing thousands of fly fishermen come and go.  Some of them you never forget because of their kindnesses and pleasant nature."  gg This is why I’m going to give it a rest. Back to fly fishing for me and my web site: http://www.gink.com

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I am based in Los Angeles but had heard about that awful attack on the couple hanging on the anchor line where the gentleman pushed his newly-wed wife outof the way, and he was taken himself off of Australia. Hi Jim As much as I would love to help you with information I would be unable to put you in touch with the lady in question.  The reasons being in the past twelve months she has re-married and also had her first child a month ago. I really think she now has her tramatic experience behind her and is trying to get on with things.

That was a very harrowing experience for her, and I can understand how she would want for it to be behind her. However, your friend can take comfort in knowing that her husband really loved her in doing what he did for her. I did a shark dive last year at Nassau, Bahamas with a lady by the name of Heather Boswell. Before Heather attempted to do a shark dive with me for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY show(which was televised throughout the USA on July 13th, 1997), Heather had been attacked by a five meter plus white shark while she was swimming on the ocean surface over a hundred miles offshore of Chile. Heather was swimming with some friends in calm seas off of a NOAA research vessel that they were crewing on. A friend was videotaping them all in the water(and captured the attack on video in the process)when a huge dorsal fin appeared(Heather later indicated that it looked to be at least a meter tall above the water as it approached her). The shark started attacking a gentleman who was sitting upon some type of surfboard. He managed to drive it away by apparently poking the shark in the eye. The shark then turned its attention to Heather who was nearby in the water. Rescuers were trying to reach Heather in an inflatable boat which was dispatched from the larger NOAA vessel. They actually had a hold of her before the shark started to attack Heather. However, because of the sunscreen lotion that Heather was wearing, she slipped through the arms of the one of the rescuers, and the shark grabbed her leg and started to take her down into the depths. It was at that point that Heather felt sure she was going to die according to what she told me and NBC. She just wasn’t sure if she should intake water to drown herself or simply let the shark continue to eat her and die that way. Amazingly, the shark returned Heather to the surface at which point the rescuers were able to grab her again. However, this time the rescuers were in a "tug-of-war" with the shark, and Heather was the "rope". Heather heard a "popping sound"(thinking that her leg was being dislocated)as she broke free. However, once inside the boat, Heather looked down and saw that her leg had been bitten off at mid-thigh(Heather lost a lot of blood and almost died via exsanguination/shock). Meanwhile, the shark must have been very hungry as it started to attack another lady who was desperately trying to pull herself out of the water (using netting which was thrown over the side of the NOAA vessel). However, the lady was overweight and was having a very difficult time getting herself out of the water. At that time, a high-powered rifle was finally deployed to drive the shark away. It is assumed that the shark was killed, but this is not known for sure. I am all for the conservation of shark species worldwide. However, the above situation was an obvious exception. Over a year after the above attack, Heather showed amazing courage by accepting an invitation to shark dive with me in the Bahamas for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY television program. However, once the sharks appeared on scene with us at Nassau, Heather requested to discontinue the dive(understandably so). Nonetheless, her courage for even attempting the dive and the positive attitude that she radiates in her daily life are inspiration to us all. Eco continues about diver(newly-wed couple)who was killed by a white shark off of Australia: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the US talkback shows contacted her some time back (they were doing a show on tragic widows) and offered to fly her over to appear but she clearly had no desire to go through the events again.  Understandably so. I do not have any clearer details of the attack except what I posted.  The attack happened at Byron Bay which is considered out of the usual territory of a white pointer (it was in warm water up north).  The attack was quick. They saw it on the bottom, her husband pushed her and by the time she managed to turn around she only felt the force of the sharks tail. I’ve forgotton the exact size but from what I can remember it was the max. for the species.  A fishing boat did later hook it, it was longer than the boat, and it dragged the boat for miles, it regurgitated some stomach contents and broke free. There was talk of it being a sick/rogue shark due to its location. I am most interested to see if such electronic shark repellent technology could have prevented the above attack. I was the first to test the SharkPOD in the USA(off the coast of Los Angeles for the Discovery Channel, "Next Step" television program which is to be broadcast internationally if it hasn’t been already-it has already been broadcast twice throughout the USA. Ron and Valerie Taylor were the first to test the SharkPOD in Australia. I had met them both in Singapore during the ADEC dive equipment trade show where the SharkPOD was first being released commercially. You’ve met Ron and Val Taylor !!!  Now they are shark lovers extraordinaire !!!!   That Val Taylor is one brave lady.  Amazingly dedicated couple.

Yes, I had met both of them and have been in touch with them via email from time to time. I am a fan of their work as well. For more detail on my SharkPOD testing, please access the Honolulu Star- Bulletin Newspaper article which I had appeared in throughout the Hawaiian Islands on December 22, 1997: http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html Sounds really exciting !   I remember seeing a show where they were investigating using  some sort of sonar "wall" instead of netting.   IE; transmitter placed and one point – receiver at other end further down the coastline to prevent sharks entering the swimming area.  They were testing the concept with some sort of sonar wand that repelled the sharks. It was tricky stuff as the shark had to get close enough for them to prod it with the want but it was trying to ascertain whether the idea would work.  Do you know of any developments with this??

Not really. But will look into it for you. I am all for anything that helps the sharks and other sea creatures.  Our shark nets over here are marine animal death traps.

Me too. Did you see my earlier post on how the shark netting program in South Africa was being reduced because of budget cuts to the Natal Sharks Board (which supervises the netting program there)? The Star-Bulletin article was mostly accurate. However, the SharkPOD is not a "sonic" device as the article mistakenly depicts in the opening paragraph. Instead, the SharkPOD emits a continuous, cocooning electrical field which is intended to protect from possible shark attack. I will soon be using another electronic shark repellent technology which is currently being developed in Australia(by another manufacturer)and is being billed as an even more effective electronic repellent than the SharkPOD. I will be using this Australian technology with tiger and grey reef sharks throughout the Hawaiian Islands. Also with tiger, bull and lemon sharks in the Bahamas. And with great white sharks off of Dyer Island, South Africa. Thank you for providing your information.  It was very interesting.  I have been lucky enough to encounter sharks while diving – something one doesn’t forget in a hurry !!

Agreed! Look forward to email exchanging with you again.

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Ok, another story about shark attacks…this is getting so old!  Last time I heard, this was a FISHING newsgroup, one that as the name might imply is interested in how fish might be caught, NOT stupid humans being caught by the fish…and with sharks being chondricthes (as opposed to osteicthes–bony fish) I wonder if they officially qualify for discussion anyway.  You probably (if not, you need to) have read my opinion on the consequences of tomfoolery which results in such a mess; why the people don’t learn the first time is beyond me.   Unless you are suggesting in some lurid way that human chum is an acceptable fishing method, which I certainly would not advocate, I would like it if you could thin out the number of shark attack reports.  This is not a tabloid newsgroup.  Please help keep it that way. See also Re: Sharks, Re: Reduction in budget for… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am based in Los Angeles but had heard about that awful attack on the couple hanging on the anchor line where the gentleman pushed his newly-wed wife outof the way, and he was taken himself off of Australia. Hi Jim As much as I would love to help you with information I would be unable to put you in touch with the lady in question.  The reasons being in the past twelve months she has re-married and also had her first child a month ago. I really think she now has her tramatic experience behind her and is trying to get on with things. That was a very harrowing experience for her, and I can understand how she would want for it to be behind her. However, your friend can take comfort in knowing that her husband really loved her in doing what he did for her. I did a shark dive last year at Nassau, Bahamas with a lady by the name of Heather Boswell. Before Heather attempted to do a shark dive with me for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY show(which was televised throughout the USA on July 13th, 1997), Heather had been attacked by a five meter plus white shark while she was swimming on the ocean surface over a hundred miles offshore of Chile. Heather was swimming with some friends in calm seas off of a NOAA research vessel that they were crewing on. A friend was videotaping them all in the water(and captured the attack on video in the process)when a huge dorsal fin appeared(Heather later indicated that it looked to be at least a meter tall above the water as it approached her). The shark started attacking a gentleman who was sitting upon some type of surfboard. He managed to drive it away by apparently poking the shark in the eye. The shark then turned its attention to Heather who was nearby in the water. Rescuers were trying to reach Heather in an inflatable boat which was dispatched from the larger NOAA vessel. They actually had a hold of her before the shark started to attack Heather. However, because of the sunscreen lotion that Heather was wearing, she slipped through the arms of the one of the rescuers, and the shark grabbed her leg and started to take her down into the depths. It was at that point that Heather felt sure she was going to die according to what she told me and NBC. She just wasn’t sure if she should intake water to drown herself or simply let the shark continue to eat her and die that way. Amazingly, the shark returned Heather to the surface at which point the rescuers were able to grab her again. However, this time the rescuers were in a "tug-of-war" with the shark, and Heather was the "rope". Heather heard a "popping sound"(thinking that her leg was being dislocated)as she broke free. However, once inside the boat, Heather looked down and saw that her leg had been bitten off at mid-thigh(Heather lost a lot of blood and almost died via exsanguination/shock). Meanwhile, the shark must have been very hungry as it started to attack another lady who was desperately trying to pull herself out of the water (using netting which was thrown over the side of the NOAA vessel). However, the lady was overweight and was having a very difficult time getting herself out of the water. At that time, a high-powered rifle was finally deployed to drive the shark away. It is assumed that the shark was killed, but this is not known for sure. I am all for the conservation of shark species worldwide. However, the above situation was an obvious exception. Over a year after the above attack, Heather showed amazing courage by accepting an invitation to shark dive with me in the Bahamas for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY television program. However, once the sharks appeared on scene with us at Nassau, Heather requested to discontinue the dive(understandably so). Nonetheless, her courage for even attempting the dive and the positive attitude that she radiates in her daily life are inspiration to us all. Eco continues about diver(newly-wed couple)who was killed by a white shark off of Australia: One of the US talkback shows contacted her some time back (they were doing a show on tragic widows) and offered to fly her over to appear but she clearly had no desire to go through the events again.  Understandably so. I do not have any clearer details of the attack except what I posted.  The attack happened at Byron Bay which is considered out of the usual territory of a white pointer (it was in warm water up north).  The attack was quick. They saw it on the bottom, her husband pushed her and by the time she managed to turn around she only felt the force of the sharks tail. I’ve forgotton the exact size but from what I can remember it was the max. for the species.  A fishing boat did later hook it, it was longer than the boat, and it dragged the boat for miles, it regurgitated some stomach contents and broke free. There was talk of it being a sick/rogue shark due to its location. I am most interested to see if such electronic shark repellent technology could have prevented the above attack. I was the first to test the SharkPOD in the USA(off the coast of Los Angeles for the Discovery Channel, "Next Step" television program which is to be broadcast internationally if it hasn’t been already-it has already been broadcast twice throughout the USA. Ron and Valerie Taylor were the first to test the SharkPOD in Australia. I had met them both in Singapore during the ADEC dive equipment trade show where the SharkPOD was first being released commercially. You’ve met Ron and Val Taylor !!!  Now they are shark lovers extraordinaire !!!!   That Val Taylor is one brave lady.  Amazingly dedicated couple. Yes, I had met both of them and have been in touch with them via email from time to time. I am a fan of their work as well. For more detail on my SharkPOD testing, please access the Honolulu Star- Bulletin Newspaper article which I had appeared in throughout the Hawaiian Islands on December 22, 1997: http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html Sounds really exciting !   I remember seeing a show where they were investigating using  some sort of sonar "wall" instead of netting.   IE; transmitter placed and one point – receiver at other end further down the coastline to prevent sharks entering the swimming area.  They were testing the concept with some sort of sonar wand that repelled the sharks. It was tricky stuff as the shark had to get close enough for them to prod it with the want but it was trying to ascertain whether the idea would work.  Do you know of any developments with this?? Not really. But will look into it for you. I am all for anything that helps the sharks and other sea creatures.  Our shark nets over here are marine animal death traps. Me too. Did you see my earlier post on how the shark netting program in South Africa was being reduced because of budget cuts to the Natal Sharks Board (which supervises the netting program there)? The Star-Bulletin article was mostly accurate. However, the SharkPOD is not a "sonic" device as the article mistakenly depicts in the opening paragraph. Instead, the SharkPOD emits a continuous, cocooning electrical field which is intended to protect from possible shark attack. I will soon be using another electronic shark repellent technology which is currently being developed in Australia(by another manufacturer)and is being billed as an even more effective electronic repellent than the SharkPOD. I will be using this Australian technology with tiger and grey reef sharks throughout the Hawaiian Islands. Also with tiger, bull and lemon sharks in the Bahamas. And with great white sharks off of Dyer Island, South Africa. Thank you for providing your information.  It was very interesting.  I have been lucky enough to encounter sharks while diving – something one doesn’t forget in a hurry !! Agreed! Look forward to email exchanging with you again.

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Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks

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Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks

a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck??  last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.

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Ben, You must have had bad luck! I’ve been on the lake four times, three times for stays of 5 days or more. For me, the fishing was always fantastic!!!  This is a canoe only lake, with a 2.5 km portage in.  For this reason, there is less fishing pressure on Murtle than you would find on lakes with easy car access.  I’ve pulled trout out of the lake up to five lbs with 2-3 lbs being the average.  I’ve fished it standing in the water casting in shallows, float tubing and trolling from the canoe and never been skunked.  On one trip I spoke with a park rangers who said some slob had pulled out a 14 pounder out of the north arm of the lake! The lake has two arms: north and west.  I’ve never been up the north arm but I understand that it has much less traffic than the west but the weather isn’t quite as good as it is on the west arm.  The west arm has better camping spots and BETTER FISHING.  There is a river that flows into the west arm (the name escapes me now) that is a used by the kokanee in the late summer to spawn.  I’ve fished the outlet of the river and had some of the best fishing days of my life. On one trip in early  September, I caught three fish in four casts.  All of them were 12-16 inches. The west arm empties into the Murtle River which has some great dry fly fishing all along it.  Though the further down the river you go from the lake the smaller the fish get. This lake is a fishing heaven that has some fantastic dry fly action if your in the right place at the right time.  My best luck has been with black leeches, big dragon fly nymphs and Doc Spratleys.  Take lots of these if your a fly fisherman.  For drys take lots of Adams, dark dun Elk Wing Caddis and a variety of other western drys. Good Luck, Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck??  last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.

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I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and their approximate costs?  What should I be looking for in my "next step up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) Your advice is appreciated, K.M.H. Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba.

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: I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the : Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. : I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical : pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those : of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and : their approximate costs?  What should I be looking for in my "next step : up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) : Your advice is appreciated, : K.M.H. : Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba. Decide first how much you want to spend. At the $50 level (American), you could choose from the likes of Thompson, Griffin, and like vises. Go to the $100 level and you might want to consider a Renzetti Traveler vise, Or even a Griffin Rotary.  Any "intermediate" level vise will have the quality to last a lifetime for the average tyer. Jon Porter

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I have used all of the mentioned vises, the Thompson "A" is my hands down favorite. It is inexpensive, durable and functional. NO COPIES! I found the Griffin to be a bit awkward. I am currently using a Renzetti presentation, although a nice piece of machinery it rates below the "A" in terms of all around usefulness. All of the above are definatly IMHO. A.J.Thramer

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I bought the Renzetti Traveller used, two years ago as a intermediate upgrade (sound like a computer junkie don’t I) and cannot find any excuse to upgrade further.  The rotary feature is the key to "intermediate" tying.  I am not a production tyer though.   jg

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J.J., See my post about an new improvement to the Traveler. Otherwise, I agree with you except that after I tied some flies on the Renzetti Master, I came to the conclusion that if God tied flies here on Earth, he would tie with the Master (naturally!).

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Hi,   Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod. Thanks, Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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  Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod.

Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.

I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by a company called Martin. Darryl Hayashida

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Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.

I have on old automatic reel made by Perrine that my father gave to me. He used it when he was little but he didn’t fly fish a lot.  It is in very good condition.   -Russell

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: Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including : Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order : nowadays. : I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by : a company called Martin. : Darryl Hayashida There are still a couple of models of automatic fly reels around. Manufacturers include Martin, Perrine and Pflueger. Pflueger’s model is actually a *new* one, introduced only in the last year or two. Cabela’s, about US$25. These reels are *not* the best; drag increases unbelievably fast if you get a fish big enough to take line, and capacity is limited (usually the fly line and about 25 yards of backing). Also, do not attempt to dismantle one of these yourself; if you’ve ever had the recoil starter on an outboard motor explode into a giant tangle of spring steel, you’ll get an idea of what can happen. On the other hand, if you’ve only got one functioning hand, these reels allow you to fish again. Pretty decent trade-off. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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I second that!!! Doug

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I second that!!! Doug

        may the bears feed on the bastards without end.                 a. wayne harrison

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A black bear went into the Country General here at high noon the other day. Walked right through the automatic doors.  They killed her.  Probably the sporting goods department manager did the deed. TimW

Shoplifting, no doubt. Charley

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -For crying out loud… Of course there are bear in Colorado!!!! I was merely poking fun at folks headed for the South Platte who were honestly amazed at the thought that they might get encounter bear in the mountains! I mean, imagine that … Personally, having encountered black bear in Colorado and other places, I’d much prefer to run into one of them than what I’m more likely to run into near Deckers: armies of overdressed and undertalented Doug Swisher wannabes fishing midge patterns downstream like streamers and taking pictures of each other drinking Coors on the river bank. A bear would be better company! Spinoleo

Very Well said indeed my friend. I also think that some of the bears would have better manners too! Cliff

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For crying out loud… Of course there are bear in Colorado!!!! I was merely poking fun at folks headed for the South Platte who were honestly amazed at the thought that they might get encounter bear in the mountains! I mean, imagine that … Personally, having encountered black bear in Colorado and other places, I’d much prefer to run into one of them than what I’m more likely to run into near Deckers: armies of overdressed and undertalented Doug Swisher wannabes fishing midge patterns downstream like streamers and taking pictures of each other drinking Coors on the river bank. A bear would be better company! Spinoleo

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Bears in Colorado? Ha! That’ll be the day!

There are many bears in CO.  We have had bears in our yard.  Black bears however, but if they are eating your head I guess it doesn’t really matter.

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Bears in Colorado? Ha! That’ll be the day! There are many bears in CO.  We have had bears in our yard.  Black bears however, but if they are eating your head I guess it doesn’t really matter.

A black bear went into the Country General here at high noon the other day.   Walked right through the automatic doors.  They killed her.  Probably the sporting goods department manager did the deed.   TimW

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Hey Spinoleo, When were these bear attacks? I fish that area a lot and have even backpacked and camped back in Cheesman Canyon before. Anyway, I’ve not heard of any bear attacks. When did this happen? Thanks, Cliff

It happened about a week after the incident that drained the Big Hole in Montana… Or the spaceship episode on the Henry’s Fork… IT DIDN"T HAPPEN!!!! Bears in Colorado? Ha! That’ll be the day! Spinoleo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can go to the South Platte at DeckersI-70 south on I-25 to the Santa Fe exit{u.s285}south from Denver to sedalia, west 27 miles. Best fishing is a mile above or below the small town of Deckers.(nice drive too!) It sure is a nice drive, but I don’t think anyone would want to take it nowadays, not with all the bear attacks. No trout is worth being maimed and mutilated beyond recognition, like those two fellows from Illinois. Spinoleo  

I make this drive at least once a week to Deckers and I have never seen  or heard of a bear attack. The biggest problem with Deckers is the weekend horde of flyfishers. If you can avoid the crowd, the experience is uplifting.

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Hey Spinoleo, When were these bear attacks? I fish that area a lot and have even backpacked and camped back in Cheesman Canyon before. Anyway, I’ve not heard of any bear attacks. When did this happen?                                 Thanks, Cliff

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In Colorado, I found that nothing can beat the Arkansas River especially in Sept and October (Brown spawning season).  Its about a 2 hour drive from Denver but worth it.  The water should be warm enough to wet wade by Early August.   The Arkansas River just down stream of Salida  is excellent. It’s not as crowded as the S. Platte. Brown stone flies nymphs, renegades, and olive elk hair caddis, hoppers.  In early October I had a 40 fish (14-18 inches) morning there on renegades fished just below the surface.   The best technique is wade the center of the river and cast to both banks.   The browns can often be seen with their dorsel fins out of the water up against the banks.  They also can be found during the summer in the riffles with their heads right into the rocks as the water comes over them.(more oxygen). My son and I spent many very enjoyable and productive hours on the Arkansas.  Continue on Rt 285 over Trout Creek Pass into the Arkansas Valley.  I can’t remember the Rt numbers from here but Salida is on the map.         The other possibility is Tarryall Resevoir.  The road to Tarryall is in Lake George (I think) off of rt 24.  Or coming from Denver; go out RT 285 over Kenosha Pass and hang a left at the little town (garage and real estate office) of Jefferson and follow the road to Tarryall.   Wade fish from shore (water is cold) with damsel fly/dragon fly/sonefly nymphs twitched just below the surface (long leader, 10′).  You can cast to feeding fish.  Fish the side that has the paved road frontage toward the dam (in between the stone jettys).  There is very good dry fly activity there after the sun goes down (say 7pm) and dark. (Native browns, stocked rainbows (12-14") and even some cutthroat).  This was my alternative to stream fishing during the runoff.  Size 12 olive buggers will sometimes work as well. There is a weed bed the parallels the shore line about 20 feet out. The fish come in looking for nymphs coming out of the weeds.         There is also the So. Platte in Deckers up Rt 167 out of Woodland Park.  Or from Denver: take Rt 285 west toward Pind Junction.  Turn left and Pine Junction and follow the road all the way down into the So Platte Canyon.  You will cross a small trestle bridge in Deckers.   I found fishing up or down from the bridge to be excellent.         South Platte River in Deckers.  Use 2 flies, RS-2 and Buckskin (both nymphs) size 18 or 20.  No larger than a 6X leader is mandatory.  Use a small floating strike indicator and place a very small shot about 6 to 8 inches from the fly.   The idea is to keep the nymph just off the bottom so adjusting the indicator for water depth is essential.  Fish places where slow water meets fast water like behind larger rocks.  The fish are there so make sure you work the section very well adjusting the indicator for depth.  Looking for flashing fish near the bottom that are feeding.  Flip the rig up stream and let the indicator float as naturally as possible.  Keep repeating until the indicator hesitates the slightest in the float.  Just raise up you rod tip and bingo! there’s a fish on.   If you use this method correctly you will get hook ups (gauranteed!!) the trick is to bring them to net on a 6X leader in fast water.  The regulations are flies and lures only. 2 fish per day over 16 inches.  Try just down stream from the trestle bridge at Deckers.  The technique is effective on all Colo streams.  The "Flies and Lies" fly shop in Deckers can also help in supplying you with flies. On a Saturday, you will not be alone.  But there are so many fish and so few fisherman that know the method and use it effectively , it has never gotten in my way.  I’d recommend getting there at 1st light (Say 5:30) fish unitl 1000 AM and then leave.  Return at say 6 Pm and fish until dark (9 PM).  I’ve found you can avoid a crowd this way.            indicator (e.g. lil corkie)              micro shot In the current, looks like this flow is right to left                               !                               !                               !                               ! Good luck

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Within an hour, the South Platte. If you are willing to drive another 30 minutes there are numerous streams in the foothills thata re fishing well. Check with a shop near where you are staying for details, or feel free to reply off-line. — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I am going to be in Denver next week and would like to know what good rivers are within one hour of driving from Denver for fly fishing?

You can also take US 285 west until you reach the city of Fairplay.  To fish the South Fork of the South Platte, just continue on 285, and you will see 2 or 3 State Wildlife Areas on the left side of the road. Water’s a bit low this time of year, but there are lots of fish in there…  Or, you can take Hwy. 9 south from Fairplay and fish the Middle Fork, particularly from Tomahawk SWA, which is hidden on the left side of the road.  The Middle Fork is a bigger stream which holds larger fish than the South Fork… good luck, — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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You can go to the South Platte at DeckersI-70 south on I-25 to the Santa Fe exit{u.s285}south from Denver to sedalia, west 27 miles. Best fishing is a mile above or below the small town of Deckers.(nice drive too!)

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You can go to the South Platte at DeckersI-70 south on I-25 to the Santa Fe exit{u.s285}south from Denver to sedalia, west 27 miles. Best fishing is a mile above or below the small town of Deckers.(nice drive too!)

It sure is a nice drive, but I don’t think anyone would want to take it nowadays, not with all the bear attacks. No trout is worth being maimed and mutilated beyond recognition, like those two fellows from Illinois. Spinoleo  

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I am going to be in Denver next week and would like to know what good rivers are within one hour of driving from Denver for fly fishing? Thanks, Luc Nocente — Luc Nocente

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1. What significance does water color/clarity have for fishing strategy?   Also, is water level important on a particular stream?

Changes in colour/clarity may be more important than default colour/clarity.  Usual folklore is that FF success declines when a spate river is growing muddy and improves as it gets clearer.  But fish are adapted to the default environment (and can live all the time in permanently clouded water, as you find in clay/limestone regions.) Similarly, rising or falling water levels probably matter more than default levels.  The changes are important since they enlarge or reduce living space for both fish and their prey. The simplest tactic is to fish upstream as far as possible, to reduce the chances of the trout’s seeing you first. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Dear Anglers: I’m a newbie to the sport and I have enjoyed it very much so far.  Haven’t caught anything yet, but my casting is improving tremendously with regular practice (though I have to admit that it’s a hell of a lot more fun practicing on the water than in the grass at the park like everyone recommends).  Now, I have a couple of questions for the experts: 1. What significance does water color/clarity have for fishing strategy?   Also, is water level important on a particular stream?

Hi Anthony Usually water clarity & level does affect fishing.  What you need to decide is what the norm is and go from there.  Water that is dirty after a storm may put the fishing off.  On the other hand if the fish have been suffering from water that is shallow and too warm, raising off colored water may very well improve fishing. Another very important consideration is water temperature in relation to the species of fish you are interested in.  Trout like cooler water than bass as an example. 2. I’ve read of fly fishers using Clouser minnows or streamers in the riffles, and other dry flies and such in slow moving/calm water.  Do you change your fly every few minutes as you are fishing your way down a stream or do you hit the riffles and then come back for the eddys and slow spots?

I do not change my fly every few minutes but instead decide what I want to fish — streamer, dry, or nymph — and do so.  I base my decision on what seems to be happening on the water at any given time.  If the fish are actively feeding I determine what they are eating and try to match that.  I often fish two flies when fish are feeding on or near the surface — a dry and an emerger of whatever species is hatching.   If nothing is happening on the water I usually fish nymphs or a nymph/streamer combination.  To fish the combo I tie a nymph on my tippet,then tie an additional piece of tippet to the bend of the nymph’s hook and tie on a streamer.  This rig will look like a small fish chasing a nymph and can be real effective.  Cast it quartering up-stream and let it dead drift as long as the current will allow.  Then let it swing accross current until it is downstream from you. Then repeat the process. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I’m a newbie to the sport … 1. What significance does water color/clarity have for fishing strategy? Also, is water level important on a particular stream?

Colour/clarity is siginificant, as is water level.  The impact and degree of these varies widely.  A normally clear stream which is suddenly high and muddy after a big rain will be mostly unfishable, until it starts to clear.  It can still be FFed, though with a big weighted nymph or wet fly.  (The fish still need to eat.) 2. I’ve read of fly fishers using Clouser minnows or streamers in the riffles, and other dry flies and such in slow moving/calm water.  Do you change your fly every few minutes as you are fishing your way down a stream or do you hit the riffles and then come back for the eddys and slow spots?

Basically, NO.  That is, don’t complicate things.  If you want to use a dry fly, then use a dry fly.  If you want to use a streamer (such as Clouser minnow), then do that.  For starters, use a big nymph, or maybe an attractor wet fly.  Cast across and let the fly swing downstream.  When it gets straight down below you, strip in line, a few inches at a time, and repeat.  The areas that you want to concentrate on are the seams (where the fast water makes a noticable line against the slower stuff) and around visible structure like rocks.  You can do the same with an attractor dry fly.  I know it’s BIG HERESY, but you can cast across, and let the fly swing down in the current.  Try to minimize, and eventually eliminate drag (the wake produced by the fly being pulled across the water by the line/leader).  Again, concentrate on the seams and visible structure. Don’t worry about big long casts.  Unless you fish some huge river like the Missouri, most of your casts will probably be less than 30 or 40 feet.  Focus on not slapping the line, not dropping your backcast too low, and such. When you get comfortable with this basic stuff, then you might try "strategies" like fishing nymphs downstream, and working your way down the river for several hundred yards, then coming back up with a dry, this time casting in the "proper" upstream method. Then there’s matching the hatch and all that, which will eventually come. To answer your basic question, most of us DO NOT do as you pictured: dry fly this yard and a half of water, wet fly that, nymph another couple of feet, streamer across there, back to a dry, then another streamer.  We pretty much focus on one strategy/concept/idea/dream and K.I.S.S. Hope that helps, see you OUT THERE. — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada **new**     http://home.ican.net/~rlundy/

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[rip !] 1. What significance does water color/clarity have for fishing strategy? Also, is water level important on a particular stream?

I love it when the water goes off color.   I whip out my big flies and my 3X.  I am a bit of a heretic because I relish the highest, muddiest part of runoff.  No people and I nail big trout my friend.  I do not seek perfect conditions ever in my fishing, I simply try to see that perfection which is always there.   2. I’ve read of fly fishers using Clouser minnows or streamers in the riffles, and other dry flies and such in slow moving/calm water.  Do you change your fly every few minutes as you are fishing your way down a stream or do you hit the riffles and then come back for the eddys and slow spots?

Good question.  The answer is, only if one or the other is not producing.   If you’re catchin’ ‘em in the tail outs or riffles, you ain’t be movin’ down to the pockets, will ya ? TimW

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Dear Anglers: I’m a newbie to the sport and I have enjoyed it very much so far.  Haven’t caught anything yet, but my casting is improving tremendously with regular practice (though I have to admit that it’s a hell of a lot more fun practicing on the water than in the grass at the park like everyone recommends).  Now, I have a couple of questions for the experts: 1. What significance does water color/clarity have for fishing strategy?   Also, is water level important on a particular stream? 2. I’ve read of fly fishers using Clouser minnows or streamers in the riffles, and other dry flies and such in slow moving/calm water.  Do you change your fly every few minutes as you are fishing your way down a stream or do you hit the riffles and then come back for the eddys and slow spots? Thanks in advance, — Anthony J. Petrella University of Pittsburgh Department of Mechanical Engineering

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: runoff.  No people and I nail big trout my friend.  I do not seek : perfect conditions ever in my fishing, I simply try to see that perfection : which is always there.   Tim Walker, demonstrating that he is actually the roff Buddha. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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*SNIP* The worst caster in the world is going to catch more fish then (boy, is this going to cause a rumpus) an olympic gold medal caster (if there was one) if they can make their fly float more naturally while it’s on the water.

Only true if the worst caster in the world can get it to land delicately on target.  If you can’t get your fly to the target, everything else is a moot point.   But, you’re right, it doesn’t have to look pretty it just has to work. The thing you  may find out is that it’s a lot easier to consistently put the fly on the  target if your casting is good. I agree totally with your comment on drift.  In real estate it’s "location, location, location"  IMO in fly fishing it’s "presentation, presentation, presentation".                                                            Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’m no expert, but have caught a few trout over the years, so I can only tell you what I’m most comfortable with and what works for me. And, I’ll just be addressing dry flies. 1- if the water is very high fast and dirty I don’t bother. If it’s high fast and clear, well…. I’ll get to that in a sec. 2- I fish mostly attractors, and, worry about matching a hatch only if we’re in the middle of a major hatch period. Of course I’ll give a hopper or some such a chance later in the season. 3- I fish and travel UP and cross stream, fishing ahead of myself and letting the fly float down past me. 4- a good cast is all very well and good, and looks impressive as hell to somebody watching from the shore, but, the fish could care less about a cast as long as the fly dosn’t slam down on the water and you don’t lay your line right over the fish. The worst caster in the world is going to catch more fish then (boy, is this going to cause a rumpus) an olympic gold medal caster (if there was one) if they can make their fly float more naturally while it’s on the water. Lolo Mt.

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Thanks to all for their input.   As for now…It’s practice, practice, practice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

My observation is that this is especially true if you start thinking about it too much… If you simply focus on the fish and the objective at hand, the fly simply ends up right…. …in the top of a tree… TimW

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

Dan,         I started to take exception to your statement, thought about it a moment, and realized…. I was lousy at sports my whole life.  It’s a wonder I can even throw a ball, and don’t expect me to throw it accurately. And, I’m left-handed.  My whole life is about awkward!  So, what do I know about how normal motion should feel? Tight lines, and keep your line off the handle, Charley

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I frimly beleive thta Lefty Kreh’s methods work the best. Find a book or video that he has done and try to employ his methods. A lot of what he taught me was employed fishing in harsh weather and in tournaments. Lefty uses his arms and shoulders more than wrist. Tight lines!! Ron

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

In actuality Baglock, how you move the rod doesn’t matter to the rod as long as you move the right distance for the appropriate amount of line with the right acceleration.  Doesn’t care what muscles you use either. If you move the rod in the correct manner you will get a good cast. Then the trick is to be able to repeat it over and over and be accurate and be comfortable all day when doing it.  To meet those criteria I recommend you try to use your forearm as an entire unit and try not to use your wrist at all.  Now the cast can’t actually be done well or easily without a final touch of wrist in each direction, but it is a VERY SMALL movement of the wrist.  If you try not to move your wrist you will probably move it about right, if you try to use your wrist you will move it too much. If you use your forearm as the main lever, you are using a big lever with strong muscles and only one real moving part – the elbow. Fewer variables, more reliable predictions and results.  If you use your wrist to make the cast you are using your hand – a tiny lever, your forearm muscles – which are much weaker than your biceps and triceps, and you have about 12? points of movement in your wrist making it much more difficult to reliably repeat the needed movements.  IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense. If you have trouble picking it up then here are some options: 1) take a casting lesson (best and fastest way to learn either small group or private) 2) join a local fly fishing club (great for all facets of FF and many offer lessons though quality of instructionmay vary from outstanding to barely OK . 3) get a copy of Mel Krieger’s "Essence of Flycasting (vol.1)"                           Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast

Try the no wrist movement. It provides a tigher cast. Make sure your thumb is on the top of the handle and you should see it at 12 oclock when you stop on the back cast.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions. Any good fly shop should be able to provide you with a good book and video on fly casting.  In the meantime, if you tie the end of the butt

section of your rod to your forearm and cast it, you’ll get the idea of how the cast should feel when properly done.  If you break your wrist on the back cast, you’ll likely increase your chances of bringing the tip back too far and slapping your line on the water behind you.  The same is true for the forward cast.  Good luck. Stan

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

I found the recent article in the September 96 issue of Fly Fisherman (Correcting 5 Casting Mistakes) to be very helpful.  Check it out. Team OS/2                  847.808.3913

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Three thoughts come to mind: 1)      Devote some time to practice in your yard or at the park.  It’ll be easier         to focus on the casting when there is no chance of catching fish 2)      When my casting seems a little difficult, I focus on my backcast.  I try to         visualize abruptly opening a freezer door (like the ones on fridges where the freezer         section is on top).  While this may sound whacky, it usually serves to elevate and tighten         my backcast.  For me, casting troubles are usually rooted in a faulty backcast. 3)      Practice enough to feel the fod flex under the weight of the line. When you can feel         the rod at work, you will quickly be able to cast well.  You’ll also be able to adjust         to different rod actions because it will seem natural to adjust your stroke to maintain         the feeling of the rod at work. There are lots of helpful books on the subject.  Different conditions, rods, and target situations will have you using lots of wrist sometimes and little or no wrist other times. Hope this helps, August Kristoferson http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Definitely no wrist action, use your arm.  Rod tip should be traveling in a straight line. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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What is the outlook for flyfishing Mamoth this spring and summer. Lots of insects again.  Any good spots to recommend?

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I’ll be out that way from Reno, NV the last week in June–just wondered if anybody knows these waters and what might be suggested? Thanks!

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Let me add another positive story.  I received a Shimano Citica for Christmas in 1992.  In late 1994, I began having problems with it not casting a reasonable distance.  I sent it to the closest "authorized service facitily" in early 1995 (OVER two years after purchase).  They informed me that the manufacturer had identified a problem with a spring mechanism.  It took about two months (that was the service facility, not the manufacturer), but I received a new, 1995 model reel. I was pretty impressed.  When I look at new reels, I always consider a Shimano. Suzanne  

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Given that we all have used this forum to post problems we have had with one or another manufacturer, I felt it was only fair to post a nice experience I had when I managed to break my 4 month old Quantum Graphite Flippin Stick.  I had luckily saved my receipt and packaged it up along with the broken rod on February 20 to send back to Zebco.   They received it on the 23rd and shipped me out a new one with no questions asked on the same day.   I received a new rod on the 27th.  This kind of fast turnaround and no-hassle policy is what will keep me buying Quantum/Zebco products in the future.                                               –  Alan Derrick

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It might not hurt to notify Zebco directly of your satisfaction if you haven’t already done so.  In fact, they are on line at http://www.zebco.com/ and you can E-Mail from their page.   Since they’re very accustomed to the usual flame message from customers that are dissatisified, your note along with comments about having posted to a news group on the Web might help boost their attitudes to maintaining good will via this medium.   It will also send them a message about the importance of having a pesence on the WWW and the clout that it represents.  Too many of the fishing and fly tackle manufacturers still have their heads in the sand on this one.  In the long range, a lack of presence on the WWW will not be beneficial to them. Best Regards Trent Roberson Rx F Fish – - "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish Given that we all have used this forum to post problems we have had with one or another manufacturer, I felt it was only fair to post a nice experience I had when I managed to break my 4 month old Quantum Graphite Flippin Stick.  I had luckily saved my receipt and packaged it up along with the broken rod on February 20 to send back to Zebco.   They received it on the 23rd and shipped me out a new one with no questions asked on the same day.   I received a new rod on the 27th.  This kind of fast turnaround and no-hassle policy is what will keep me buying Quantum/Zebco products in the future.                                              -  Alan Derrick

         Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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I was just talking to someone else about these little buggers.  In my local the most popular pattern is the bastardized Wooley B, the Egg Sucking Leach.  Outside of it’s outstanding name, and the fact no one has ever seen a leach with an egg in it’s maw, it has caught on and works fabulously for salmon, big char and rainbows in sizes 8 to 2 tied on streamer hooks.  During a long winter of giving tying classes and tying too many flys, I tied one on a 96840 #12.  It looked so good I tied a coulple of dozen before all the ice was off the first lake I was wondering why I never though to do it before.  Give this a try.

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The strangest pattern I’ve seen imitated pellet fish food.  Great on stocked streams on opening day. -Bob

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.

        Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

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When I was a kid,my fishing buddy inherited his grandfather’s fly rods and flies.  In one of the fly boxes were 4 quarter inch long eigth inch dowels tied on a #12.  They were labelled as opening day and post stocking "flies".  Apparently they looked just like the hatchery pellets the stockies were fed.  Maybe that’s what the cigarette butts look like too. Crashjibe

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.         Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

Nibblets seems to be the favorite on the Clinch in TN too! (what an exciting topic of conversation  :*D)   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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The most insane pattern I’ve come accross is a cigarette butt imitation.  A friend of mine tied one after occasionally comming accross them in trout stomachs.  I’m not sure if trout take this as a caddis case or whether they are nicotine junkies, but i’ve seen him catch a few fish on it too.   Cheers Olaf

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I need to go fishing! I think I am going out of my mind. I have been tying flys for the past month now, but I think I started to early with it. Tying is starting to make things worse because now I want to go out and use them. I live in CA and river trout season doesn’t start until the saturday before may. Also there has been a lot of snow in the mountains here and it isn’t going to clear up for a long time. Does anyone know how to overcome the insanity? Because of all the time I have had tying I played around with some different patterens and I invented my own. It is a cross between a stonefly Nymph and a damselfly Nymph. It is tyed on a size 8 hook with black thread and has a gold bead head. Tail: bunch of black hackle tips. Body: olive dubing. Rib: thin red copper wire. Thorax: bronze peacock herls tyed larger than the bead. Hackle: before the peacock put three or four turns of black cock hackle behind the bead. Trim the hackle so they point down, then tie in the peacock. I call this pattern the bead head green thing. I had no particular bug in mind when I tyed it but I think it might work. Please give me some input on it. If you can go fishing now, tie one up and give it a try, then  tell me how it worked. TimFLYFISH P.S. If you have any Patterns of your own I would like to give them a try.

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regarding insane patterns. Iwas in a fly shop in Asheville, NC called Hunter Banks one day last year shooting the breeze, and the subject of ridiculous patterns came up. The owner, with a twinkle in his eye, pulled out his latest pattern: The Corn Fly. It is tied with yellow poly and looks just like a kernal of Libby’s finest. Back in the blue ridge mountains, even on well known FF only waters, I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand. The fly, incidentally, was tied as a joke. They don’t sell them.  People think egg flies, san juan worms, etc are flies, so what the hell, its not much of a stretch, I guess. Dale Owens

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