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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen.  Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years.   Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group.

Too big a "could."  Anyone really knowledgeable doesn’t have to stay here. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are).   When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing.

Well it’s not quite like that.    "Like a chicken playing a card game". ???   Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain.   I think Sam got the visuals.

Oh! Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool.

Chickens do what chickens do best.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen.  Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years.    Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are).    When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Better than a physical superhighway.    "Like a chicken playing a card game". ???    Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain.    I think Sam got the visuals. Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool.    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

More likely too deep a dive in the White Russian Sea, oh well, it happens…<B stoopid G Sam

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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen.  Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years.

   Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are).

   When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Better than a physical superhighway.    "Like a chicken playing a card game". ???

   Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain.    I think Sam got the visuals. Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool.

   Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about.

I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen.  Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years.  The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are). I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded.

Better than a physical superhighway.    "Like a chicken playing a card game".

??? Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear!

Need more chlorine in the gene pool.

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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded.

   "Like a chicken playing a card game".    Ed Huesers

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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded.    "Like a chicken playing a card game".    Ed Huesers

Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Sam

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DsrtTravlr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Valley, Sunnyside, Baker Reservoir, Gunlock, Kane Springs Wash, Rainbow Canyon, Beaver Dam State Park, Desert National Wildlife Refuge, Bird Springs Range, Monitor Valley, West Grand Canyon, Gold Strike Hot Springs, Gold Butte, Delmar Playas, Tikapoo Peak and Area 51, Sharktooth Hill, Christmas Tree Pass, Piute Springs, Cold Creek, Death Valley, Lovell Canyon, Hurricane Cliffs, Virgin Canyon, Tassi Ranch, Aquarius Plateau, Box Death Hollow Wilderness Area, Kaibab Plateau, Kolob Reservoir, River Mountain Trail, <snip, snip, snip. Need I go on?  You could go to a different place every weekend for five years and not hit the same place twice. Go to Mercury Blueprint at Sahara and Highland and get the $15 DOT Nevada State Book of Maps.  It will show you most secondary roads in Nevada.  Join an outdoors group, or hook up with some people who go out, or just get off the couch and go explore.  Nevada has the highest percentage of federal land in the continental US, and there are few fences. Of course, you might wait until the weather cools off.  And then do these things…… take plenty of water, some extra food, tools and repair items and enough warm gear.  Tell someone where you are going, and when you will be back. Leave a map with them.  Nevada has incredible search and rescue, and it is a simple matter if they know where you will be.  If something happens, just stay with your vehicle, and wait for help.  Almost everyone who has died in the desert has tried to walk out instead of staying with the car.  Learn about desert critters, plants, and flash floods….. one of which we had

yesterday. Steve, I sent a copy of this to my neice who is moving to LV.  Thanks, it’s a good long list and I especially wanted her (family) to read the extra precautionary notes you included.  Nobody understands the desert until they have lived it for awhile and finally when they think they do it will surprise them… Bill

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  I use netscape which does have the capability but I choose to use my brain to filter.   It’s the newbies I’m concerned about.

I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Happy trails, Gary "In three words I can sum up everything I’ve learned about life: it goes on." -Robert Frost- Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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Flood the group with ON-topic posts.

   Oh, I try. I even resort to jokes once in a while. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored.

   Ack. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering.

   I use netscape which does have the capability but I choose to use my brain to filter.    It’s the newbies I’m concerned about.    Ed Huesers

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You are kidding, right?  I grew up in Las Vegas, and there are a zillion places within the three to five hours you mention where you can go and not hardly see another human.   You say you are "told" that some places are overrun with tourists.  Don’t believe everything you are told.  While it is entirely true SOME TIMES IN THE YEAR, even those places have their seasons, and going there the other times of the year is very uncrowded.  There are many many places around here where one can go camping out in the boonies on BLM land and have peace and privacy.  Just look around.   Valley, Sunnyside, Baker Reservoir, Gunlock, Kane Springs Wash, Rainbow Canyon, Beaver Dam State Park, Desert National Wildlife Refuge, Bird Springs Range, Monitor Valley, West Grand Canyon, Gold Strike Hot Springs, Gold Butte, Delmar Playas, Tikapoo Peak and Area 51, Sharktooth Hill, Christmas Tree Pass, Piute Springs, Cold Creek, Death Valley, Lovell Canyon, Hurricane Cliffs, Virgin Canyon, Tassi Ranch, Aquarius Plateau, Box Death Hollow Wilderness Area, Kaibab Plateau, Kolob Reservoir, River Mountain Trail, <snip, snip, snip. Need I go on?  You could go to a different place every weekend for five years and not hit the same place twice. Go to Mercury Blueprint at Sahara and Highland and get the $15 DOT Nevada State Book of Maps.  It will show you most secondary roads in Nevada.  Join an outdoors group, or hook up with some people who go out, or just get off the couch and go explore.  Nevada has the highest percentage of federal land in the continental US, and there are few fences.   Of course, you might wait until the weather cools off.  And then do these things…… take plenty of water, some extra food, tools and repair items and enough warm gear.  Tell someone where you are going, and when you will be back. Leave a map with them.  Nevada has incredible search and rescue, and it is a simple matter if they know where you will be.  If something happens, just stay with your vehicle, and wait for help.  Almost everyone who has died in the desert has tried to walk out instead of staying with the car.  Learn about desert critters, plants, and flash floods….. one of which we had yesterday. You can e mail me if you need any particulars.  And anyone else who reads this.  The area around here is awesome, and most people don’t even know it is there. I like it like that. Steve Pat O’Connell writes: We just moved to the Las Vegas area, though we don’t have a "permanent" home just yet–still house hunting. Summer is obviously not a good time to be outdoors here, unless we head for Mt. Charleston. What else is within a short (say within 3 to 5 hours) drive of here that’s worth visiting and hiking in summer? Zion, Bryce Canyon, etc. are that close, but I’m told are overrun with tourists. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

               ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side.  There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario Dodo’s?   If you mean extinct, yes.   I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.   Ed Huesers Flood the group with ON-topic posts. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering.

Here’s the first shot: We just moved to the Las Vegas area, though we don’t have a "permanent" home just yet–still house hunting. Summer is obviously not a good time to be outdoors here, unless we head for Mt. Charleston. What else is within a short (say within 3 to 5 hours) drive of here that’s worth visiting and hiking in summer? Zion, Bryce Canyon, etc. are that close, but I’m told are overrun with tourists. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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: The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite : recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. After looking at the subject list of r.o.n-p again (first time I’ve read it for a while) it seems to be back to its old self  unfortunately. There should be an alt.politics.environment newsgroup we could banish these people to, if there’s not already.

The group is named talk.environment. It is useful to know the hierarchy. It could have been talk.politics.environment. That’s not the issue.  As I informed Moore who proposed sci.environnment s.e. should be moderated and as he admitted it was an "I told you so." Can’t banish people. Nothing wrong with politics. And there’s no reason you can’t send followups there if you know how.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side.  There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario    "Birds Of A Feather". Lee wrote Maybe more like Hitchcock’s "The Birds"…: ) Dodo’s?    If you mean extinct, yes.    I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.    Ed Huesers

Yeah, but Ed, we’re the dedicated 20%. Survive we will. Sam Benson

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then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side.  There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario Dodo’s?   If you mean extinct, yes.   I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.   Ed Huesers

Flood the group with ON-topic posts. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering. Happy trails, Gary "In three words I can sum up everything I’ve learned about life: it goes on." -Robert Frost- Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. I don’t know about number of readers but my reading is about 20% of what it was.

   Well, I’m basing it on our web page counter.    You guys, the core of the group, aren’t going to check our site because you’ve probably been there enough already. The lurkers are also likely to have the same situation.    It’s the newbies that’ll check it and some of them are the core group of tomorrow. All I see is just another swing of the pendulum.  It’s been both better and worse in the past.

   Yeah, I can try and believe in that but this pendulum arm must be a long one. I just wait until it passes.

   Well, it’s a long wait. I was waiting for the election to get over with all last summer. The thing about emotionally laden postings is that it’s hard to maintain righteous fervor over an extended period [with one notable exception] so they tend to flame for months then vanish.

   "Exception" noted and I have to chuckle as it seems that even he has backed off due to his posts getting lost in the pile.  It’s just as bad in other groups, right now others I’m reading are civil but that wasn’t the case last year.

   Well, I suppose it’s the fact that I used to participate in r.o.n-p. until about 2 years ago and the group was doing great. Then along they came and destroyed the group.    Now, after destroying the group, they’ve moved over here.    Ed Huesers

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[snip]   If you mean extinct, yes.   I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.   Ed Huesers

I don’t know about number of readers but my reading is about 20% of what it was.  All I see is just another swing of the pendulum.  It’s been both better and worse in the past.  I just wait until it passes. The thing about emotionally laden postings is that it’s hard to maintain righteous fervor over an extended period [with one notable exception] so they tend to flame for months then vanish.   It’s just as bad in other groups, right now others I’m reading are civil but that wasn’t the case last year.

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: The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite : recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. After looking at the subject list of r.o.n-p again (first time I’ve read it for a while) it seems to be back to its old self  unfortunately. There should be an alt.politics.environment newsgroup we could banish these people to, if there’s not already. Michael

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: Yeah, and falling fast probably.  It really isn’t the same group it was. : Look at groups.google.com and see what the topics were back in the : 1990’s : : Only about half of the posts are related to the backcountry.  Now this : is an unmoderated group. ALL things are on topic. But whet drew me (and : I suspect most) others to this group was the work backcountry. I do not : subscribe to any political groups, because I’m not interested in : caricatured liberal and conservative attacking each other. The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. Some of the group members got fed up and complained to the offending persons’ ISPs for violating the newsgroup charter and they were forced to stop posting there. I’ve heard that’s what happened anyway. Most of those posts were being cross-posted here, and many of the political posts here are from the same people that posted there. The concentration here has definitely increased since r.o.n-p was "clensed". Maybe we need a similar rebellion here? Michael — Michael Caver Photography http://photos.mcaver.com/

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 I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.

Yeah, and falling fast probably.  It really isn’t the same group it was. Look at groups.google.com and see what the topics were back in the 1990’s As I wrote that I wondered myself. Here are the titles from a randomly selected day in Jult  1998: 06 Jul 1998    Where to buy white kerosene in the US?

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I usually go for the "bottle of beer" fly, and hope and pray the water clears up … cheers, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – which fly would you recommend straight after a heavy downpour of rain with the river still running brown for salmon in Scotland

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Oh I would not hesitate to use steelhead flies for Atlantic salmon fishing, that was not what I meant.  I meant using things like Griffiths Gnats, beetles or ants or similar things, is a complete waste of time for Atlantic salmon on spawning runs, which is the only time they are fished for in Scotland.  Fishing for immature fish, ( parr etc ), which would take "naturals",  is not done at all. Worms are invariably more successful in any case.  A large bunch of lobworms on a large hook will generally take far more salmon than any fly, especially under flood conditions, when the river is high and brown, and even when low and clear for that matter.  In many places worming is allowed under certain ( usually flood ) conditions. Fly-fishing is not always the most successful method for any given fish, or set of conditions, in fact, barring salmonids generally, it rarely is. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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I really don’t like tying much but find it to be the price I pay for pursuing my passion.  I really enjoy fishing beadhead patterns and they are really easy to tie except for one thing…. getting the blankety, blanking bead around the bend in the hook.  I am trying to use too small a bead or is there a secret I am missing out on.  For example I use a 1/8th inch tungsten bead for a size 14 for hook and I pinch the barb before I put the bead on.  Once I get them on, they are easy to secure in place and I like the size of the pattern. Going crazy at the tying bench Mike

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Going crazy at the tying bench

Put the point of the hook in the small side of the hole in the bead and it will turn around the bend easier. — Charlie…

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Put the point of the hook in the small side of the hole in the bead and it will turn around the bend easier.

Yeah…for sure…but some bead diameters will simply not make the bend easily either. Ya gotta just find a combination of bead sizes/hook sizes/bends that works out for ya… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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Ya gotta just find a combination of bead sizes/hook sizes/bends that works out for ya…

Which should include a 1/8" bead on a #14 hook… — Charlie…

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I really don’t like tying much but find it to be the price I pay for pursuing my passion.  I really enjoy fishing beadhead patterns and they are really easy to tie except for one thing…. getting the blankety, blanking bead around the bend in the hook.  I am trying to use too small a bead or is there a secret I am missing out on.  For example I use a 1/8th inch tungsten bead for a size 14 for hook and I pinch the barb before I put the bead on.  Once I get them on, they are easy to secure in place and I like the size of the pattern. Going crazy at the tying bench Mike

Some thoughts. Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. If they almost make it but don’t quite, don’t be afraid to bend the hook slightly.  I put my bead heads on by clamping the shank of the hook in the jaws of my vise with the hook point up then slipping the bead on.  If the bead won’t get past barb, I’ll tap it past by slipping a half-hitch tool over the point and on to the bead, then tapping the other end of the tool to force it past the barb.  If I can get it past the barb but not the bend, I slip the bead on then clamp the point in the vise and pull back slightly on the shank.  Usually the bead then slips around the bend easily and if you don’t pull too hard on the shank, the hook returns to it’s normal shape.  I normally do 10 or 20 at a time before I begin to tie.   To make matters easier, I have an old Integra vise (a Regal knock-off) that clamps and releases with a squeeze of a lever.  Very quick and easy for this sort of thing.  It would be more of a fiddle on the Renzetti. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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<< Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. I am using a Mustad 39068 hook and I also have the 9271.  I have been bending the hook a bit to get it around the corner but figured that maybe I was going too small on the bead.   Thanks for all the information guys. Mike Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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Peter: Thanks for making something easy for the newbies. It is funny how great minds come to the same conclusions…I would hate to admit how many years of frustration it took for my feeble mind to figure all that out. Big Dale

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I use a Tiemco 3761 or 3763 and have no problems whatsoever in getting the bead around the bend. Btw – I have the same Integra, great vise for the money! Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some thoughts. Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. If they almost make it but don’t quite, don’t be afraid to bend the hook slightly.  I put my bead heads on by clamping the shank of the hook in the jaws of my vise with the hook point up then slipping the bead on.  If the bead won’t get past barb, I’ll tap it past by slipping a half-hitch tool over the point and on to the bead, then tapping the other end of the tool to force it past the barb.  If I can get it past the barb but not the bend, I slip the bead on then clamp the point in the vise and pull back slightly on the shank.  Usually the bead then slips around the bend easily and if you don’t pull too hard on the shank, the hook returns to it’s normal shape.  I normally do 10 or 20 at a time before I begin to tie. To make matters easier, I have an old Integra vise (a Regal knock-off) that clamps and releases with a squeeze of a lever.  Very quick and easy for this sort of thing.  It would be more of a fiddle on the Renzetti. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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<< Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. I am using a Mustad 39068 hook and I also have the 9271.  I have been bending the hook a bit to get it around the corner but figured that maybe I was going too small on the bead.   Thanks for all the information guys. Mike Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

BTW, forgot to mention that since dry fly hooks are smaller gauge, slipping on a bead is easier.  Since you’re using a bead, there’s less need for the heavy wire of a 3906B. Peter

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I use a Tiemco 3761 or 3763 and have no problems whatsoever in getting the bead around the bend. Btw – I have the same Integra, great vise for the money! Herman

Ya, it’s the R series that are the pain.  (I’ll never get rid of the Integra despite the worn jaws.) Peter

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Make sure you use beads with the hole countersunk on one side.  You can go mad trying to get beads onto hooks which do not have this countersinking. Use round bend hooks. If necessary bend the hook slightly to facilitate placing the beads. Put the point of the hook in the hole on the small side. If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Another interesting tactic is to use the bead, or split shot, as the thorax of the nymph.  You might want to dub around it a bit or wrap leg hackle, but otherwise just pull the wing case over the bead or shot.  The nymph is proportioned better and weighted the same, yet looks more natural. Regards, Jeff

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Another interesting tactic is to use the bead, or split shot, as the thorax of the nymph.  You might want to dub around it a bit or wrap leg hackle, but otherwise just pull the wing case over the bead

This is the method I use for Mayfly and Stonefly nymphs, and I have been pleased with the results. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Thanks for the great Idea Mike! I have been using the tungsten beads and whenever I lose one I feel like crying!!! This will be one idea that I will try out this spring and summer for sure. The cost of some of the bead heads is unreal, and when I want to get down fast this should be able to rid some of the excess weight I have on the line. ,many thanks from a newbie Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Make sure you use beads with the hole countersunk on one side.  You can go mad trying to get beads onto hooks which do not have this countersinking. Use round bend hooks. If necessary bend the hook slightly to facilitate placing the beads. Put the point of the hook in the hole on the small side. If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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If you don’t need the weight, try using glass beads that you can get from a craft store.  I use a clear glass bead to simulate an air bubble under the shell.  I use this mainly in a variation of a Prince Nymph that I tie with a crimson trailing shuck.  Works pretty well in the float tube. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC

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During the summer in the 80-90 deg F outside temp range, it runs best with the needles all the way in (leaner). As the temperature has been dropping I have been drawing the needles out, around 60 it is happy in the middle position, 40 and below wants the highest (richest) position. I am using an EIS so cold junction compensation of the thermocouple readings shouldn’t be a problem. I think I will give the needle jet change a try, anyways. At full throttle I am getting about 1050 F EGTs, and about 325 on the CHT’s. This engine is a pusher mount, CGS Hawk. My only real complaint is in the midrange. Full throttle is good, 3000 rpm is good. Cruise at 5700 rpm is a bit over 1100. Plugs have been looking OK, classic light tan color, so I kind of trust the EGT reading I have been getting. But during powered descent, pattern entry and approach, sometimes you want that range from about 4200-5200 rpm, and thats where the temperatures start to soar. When they exceed 1150 and head rapidly for 1200 I get nervous, and it adds a lot to the workload during landing approach to have that red warning light flashing at you. I have gotten kind of used to entering the pattern at cruise speed, throttling back to 3000 revs and droppping the flaps, and riding it down that way, which probably makes for better landings than if I was playing with the power all the way down. Still, it should be possible to adjust the midrange to not over-lean the mixture…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am just now preparing to change the jets in my DCDI 503. In the summer I use 158 main jets, 2.70 needle jets, and 11K2 needles with good results. Much below 40 degrees F I am seeing the EGT’s getting alarmingly high, so I got some 160 main jets, as per the chart. Do you also replace the needle jets? My EGT temperatures are highest between 1/2 and 3/4 throttle, as might be expected, so I suspect I should change the needle jets as well try just raising the needle,,,,,the main jet change from 158 to 160 is prolly within the tolerances of the jets,,,,, — Tri-State Kite Sales 1121 N Locust St Mt Vernon, IN 47620          http://www.trikite.com

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Remember that they calibrate these things at 75deg., so at colder temps the reading should be higher? | | Thanks for this info, this may account for my EGT readings lately. It’s | been in the 50’s here lately and the OAT is somewhat below that at the | altitudes I normally fly at. | | I’ve been seeing a mildly higher EGT (about 1100 indicated) despite a | normal-to-slightly rich spark plug at last change and a 195 main jet. | IT does seem to be reading higher than the plug and main jet would | suggest it’s actually running at…. | | Lucien S. | PP-ASEL. | Captain America IV. | | | | Much below 40 degrees F I am seeing the EGT’s getting alarmingly | high, so I | got some 160 main jets, as per the chart. | | Yes, you need a richer jet to maintain ideal mixture (normally | measured by EGT) | as the OAT drops. However, your high EGTs in cold weather probably | aren’t as hot | as they read. | | Most UL EGT systems do not correct for "Cold Junction" temperature | (EIS is an | exception). Therefore, the gauge reading is proportional to the | DIFFERENCE | between the EGT in the pipe and the temperature of the gauge. I | believe that | most EGT systems are calibrated to read correctly when the cold | junction is | 70

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Got the class ring on?                 Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). This rod is georgeous — I hate to sell it but need the money for a saltwater rod. Originally was $250, will sell for $190/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt.

I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though. The Penn and Fenwick rods look extremely similar, so they much share manufacturing (just a guess). Anyway, one of my local fly shops sells them and I’ve found them on the Web. Because they’re in the $160-$180 price range I’m suprised they are not more attractive to folks who don’t want to spend $300 on a rod. They have a really nice finish and a medium action. YMMV, but I think they are a nice rod for the price. I own the 8′6" 4-piece 5wt–it was the first fly rod I purchased (Ok, not technically the first since I bought a Browning as a teenager to use for nymphing with a spinning reel). I like the rod action–but what the heck do I know. My only disappointment is that the ferrule fit on my rod (can’t speak for the model as a whole) isn’t the best and after a day of fishing one of the ferrules tends to work its way loose if I don’t check them every once in a while. I have another Penn rod 9′ 2-piece 4wt and a Fenwick 7′ 4wt 2-peice–neither of which has that problem. –Steve

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though.

    i bought my youngest boy an 8′ penn last year as his first rod.  he loves it, although i find the action to be a little on the soft side.  the problem you experienced with your ferrules hasn’t appeared.     i might be interested in ol joe’s nine footer, except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?             Frank Reid except i am afraid that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change…

He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g — Charlie…

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g

Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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You might want to provide a model number with that fly rod and/or try your hand at eBay, since I’ve recently seen several brand new Penn Gold Medal 4-piece travel rods for sale at fly shops (on the Web and in my city) for less than $160. Steve Zimmerman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Joe, I’m not trying to sabotage you; nor do I have a problem with an occasional FS post. But I do feel the need to point out that you can buy this rod brand new on the web for $189.95 retail. Check out: http://www.tackledirect.com/tackle/penngoldmedal.html –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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[snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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why do chicks dig jesus? (hold arms in shape of cross) Cause he’s hung like this  :) 12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen!

hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

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Remember to view New Testament accounts with skepticism.  Most of the witnesses to major events recorded there were fishermen! Al Soroka Vancouver, B.C.

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

Yep. Next, he’ll blame it on his friends and clientele. tb — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong."   H.L. Mencken

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We already had some evidence. Albeit rather inconclusive. Quite a few of Georges

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Being fairly new to fly fishing (3 year only)  I wonder what to use up at Invermoriston at the end of May for salmon. Any suggestions angela

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You might be better posting this on uk.rec.fishing.game as well, there should be someone with local knowledge. — Regards Peter (Remove "nospam"to email)

:Being fairly new to fly fishing (3 year only)  I wonder what to use up at :Invermoriston at the end of May for salmon. Any suggestions :angela : :

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How is the fishing on the Hiwasse in eastern Tennessee this time of year. Is it worth the drive from Columbus, Ohio, over the Presdient’s Day weekend?  I tried calling the Adams Fly Shop in Relience, but all I’ve gotten is an answering machine.  Would it be worthwhile to bring my driftboat?  Any information would be appreciated. Ed Orazen

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How is the fishing on the Hiwasse in eastern Tennessee this time of year. Is it worth the drive from Columbus, Ohio, over the Presdient’s Day weekend?  I tried calling the Adams Fly Shop in Relience, but all I’ve gotten is an answering machine.  Would it be worthwhile to bring my driftboat?  Any information would be appreciated. Ed Orazen

Hi Ed – It can be good, but check with the folks at the Hiwassee Angler, 423 338-6263. — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com

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I am planning a flyfishing trip to the Bighorn River in the Fort Smith area in September. I have been told by a friend that the river is usually overloaded with boats and fishermen during the summer and early fall resulting in unproductive and tough fishing conditions on this stretch of the river. Is this true? Would appreciate any information on this matter. Thanks

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I am planning a flyfishing trip to the Bighorn River in the Fort Smith area in September. I have been told by a friend that the river is usually overloaded with boats and fishermen during the summer and early fall

quite true. resulting in unproductive and tough fishing conditions on this stretch of the river.

quite false.  The fishing is somewhat technical.  You have to match the hatches, but the local fly shops can tell you what’s going on, and I wouldn’t call the fishing "unproductive."  The main thing that’s "tough" about it is competing with hundreds of other anglers for the good holes. — -Wayne Trzyna

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We’re pleased and excited to announce the birth of a brand new and very different quarterly publication covering the woods and waters of the Salmon River/Eastern Lake Ontario area. As a logical extension of our popular WEB site ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’ we’ll be visiting "The Fly Zone" with Fran Verdoliva, checking out "The Tackle Box" with Jim Dence, following Peter’s wanderings in his "Thompson At Large" column, getting "A View from the Treestand" with yours truly, locating and evaluating country real estate with Christine Nixon, finding out what’s hot and what’s not with Fred David, locating cool new fishing links compliments of Jim Walker, snow sledding the Tug Hill Plateau, visiting with DEC biologists, local taxidermists, antique shops, our salmon and trout hatchery, state forests and parks, and so much more! We plan to hit the presses in late June, and be available free at local and out-of-state sport shops by July 1. Yours in the Outdoors, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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As a logical extension of our popular web site ‘http://www.salmon-river.com, we’re excited to announce the beginnings of our print publication "The Salmon River/Lake Ontario Experience." Scheduled to be in selected sport shops on July 1, SRLOE has been designed to be different. Upbeat, in-depth, accurate and professional coverage of the area’s woods and waters is what you’ll find from cover to cover. Visit Fran Verdoliva’s ‘Fly Zone’ Follow artist, guide and author Peter Thompson in ‘Thompson At Large" Master Angler Bill Ferman will show you his "Rivers and Creeks" I’ll share my "View From The Treestand" with you hunting folks Herald Journal columnist, Fred David, will tell you what’s hot and what’s not Sample some wild turkey recipes at "Laurie’s Smokehouse" Check out some cool fishing and hunting links courtesy of Jim Walker See what’s new in Jim Dense’s "Tackle Box" Visit some back country real estate with Christine Nixon Hit the trails on your snowsled or X-country skis, jig some perch through the ice, call in your first tom, check out the trout and salmon hatchery at Altmar or hear what our DEC personnel have to say. You get the picture. EVERYTHING our area has to offer-year round. If your favorite sport shop doesn’t have copies by July 1, ask them to have us send them some. Yours in the outdoors, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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