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My wife and I are looking to spend that last three weeks in Nov on the White River fly fishing.  We would prefer a cabin on the river and would posibly like a guide or two while there.  Does anyone have a suggestion of lodging and guide? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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Carl – I would Highly recommend the Fulton’s lodge – Dale and Rona have a nice situation going – I have stayed there many times and they are the hosts for SRG(Southern Rodmakers Gathering) – here is a link with their info – http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ Wayne

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Carl – I would Highly recommend the Fulton’s lodge – Dale and Rona have a nice situation going – I have stayed there many times and they are the hosts for SRG(Southern Rodmakers Gathering) – here is a link with their info – http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ Wayne

I have stayed at Dale Fulton’s place too and will be back again.  He also owns a nice fly shop there in MT Home, called Blue Ribbon. You will need to call ahead though as it is a popular place.  Well situated for both the White and the N.Fork River nearby (when the generators hose up the water and you’re without in the boat dept.) If you get the chance make a date to hit the Rainbow Lodge on the Little Red too.  Nice large trout and good access. K

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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A guide buddy of mine has an old steel telescoping fly rod (w/ reel). He says it is worth some $$. Don’t know how much though. Maybe take it to someone who deals in old rods for some idea of its worth. Never has fished with it I don’t think. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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Tom,    The first outfit I ever fished with was a rusty telescoping steel rod and a worn out level wind reel which caused more line tangles than I care to remember.  I hope I never have to do it again.  As to value, have you have seen the sign "We buy junk and sell antiques"? Ernie Tom wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

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Tom, My first ‘fly rod’ was a telescoping steel model bought at Western Auto. It was a total abomination to cast, but the fact that it telescoped made it handy for fishing the small brooks I frequented at the time. I have no idea what it is worth……I suspect it will have some value as a curiosity. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

Well, it wasn’t a steel rod after all.  It was an old fiberglass rod painted silver.  The paint was worn off in places and the glass was a rust color so it kind of looked like a rusty metal rod. Another uncle does have a steel rod that looks like a fly rod with the handle and reel seat on backwards–fly rod-style guides/eyes and a cork handle but the reel seat is in the front…  an odd piece, I’d say. Tom Before you buy.

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

Reel-Time has weekly fly fishing reports for the Merrimack River, and has recently been expanded to cover the NH and Maine Coast.  I write about the Merrimack and can tell you that the Merrimack has been doing well.  Olive/white clousers and Chartreuse/white clousers have been taking fish.  The URL’s in my sig. — Mark N. Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New Engand -Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? Jim

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a commercial spamerman. I spam 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial spaming. KAILUME SPAM (http://www.spam.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch spamsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER SPAM THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy spamin’ fellas!! Brian

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: I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. : Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. : KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a : product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since : I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site : and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

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: : Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? : : Jim : Not if you use a LIGHTSTICK, and a little spam.   just kidding  :) : : : : : : : : : : — — Bruce Barnard

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…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

See above. . . Jim Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

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Dan How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

I find lightsticks real handy when doing an all nighter going after threshers. Just take one and stuff it up a mackeral’s ass and let him swim around. mmmmm   mmmmmm  goood!! University Computing Services                           71533,1011 University of Southern California I love the smell of Netware in the morning.  Smells like…victory!!

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  How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Well Frank, just in case you’re not trolling, I’ll mention a couple of ways. Here in the Northwest we get to go after steelhead in the Snake River every fall. The impoundments behind the dams hold a lot of slack water and a lot of people fish from shore with sliding bobbers. At night it’s pretty common for people to rubber band a 1" light stick to their bobbers so they can see them. If the light disappears, set the hook! It beats going to bed… Also, I’ve used commercial jigs that had a short piece of surgical tubing tied onto the hook shaft. Insert a lightstick and jig away… I’ve never caught a steelhead with that setup, but it looked interesting. On a side note, I put a used light stick back into it’s foil wrapper and store till the next night in my camper’s freezer because I’m a cheap sob and can get several hours of night fishing for two nights using one lightstick.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? A story I often repeat that is relevant with the above topic. Seems I was pier fishing for salmon some years back. A bunch of us were out an hour or so before dawn. Everyone was using glow-in-dark type lures. Charging them up next to a lantern and then throwing them out for the salmon to bite. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?" It got very quiet on the pier that morning. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?"

Ooh…that’s nasty. S.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * *  *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie? A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

Fishing at night with lightsticks is the accepted way of catching broadbills off the South African coast.  In fact, it is only since the discovery of this form of fishing that the area has been identified as one of the worlds prime broadbill terratories.

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

I use them, but not to lure fish. I use small ones (Lunker Lite brand) that come with a small piece of clear plastic tubing. I put the light stick on the end of a pencil bobber, and use that so I can see my bobber at nite. I know in Washington it’s illegal to use light as an attractant. I guess I’m not sure how a game warden would view what I do, but it’s not my intent to use the light as an attractant. It’s a very small stick, only an inch or so long. It’s on the top of the bobber, sticking out of the water. I usually run several feet of line down to my hook, sometimes to where my bait is on the bottom, so I really doubt the fish are taking my bait because of the light stick. I don’t see any increase of my catch when I use the light sticks, it’s just a hell of a lot easier than using lanterns, flashlights, etc. to see the bobber. You get that same little thrill of seeing your bobber go down, except this way you just watch the light stick, and when it dissappears under the surface, you know it’s time to set the hook! Try it, you’ll like it! Pete               "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."                                 Monty Python     Pete LaPlant                     *       http://nwlink.com/~pete/             *

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

Is that crappy or crappie?

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about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie?

A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

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Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

Or maybe put a dimmer on it.

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: : Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure : fish…you are a crappy fisherman. : : Or you could be a crappie fisherman.  Or a crappy crappie fisherman. Or a crappy crappie fisherman that couldn’t catch crap. —      Mario de Sales               |      Pro patria mori".   Wilfred Owen

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

Do these light sticks have a fuse?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! —

Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

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Helen, Being in Vermont I can give some ideas that you may be able to extrapolate for NH.  Currently there are cahills and sulphurs along with caddis both black and tan.  I should not think you could ever go wrong with an elk hair caddis anywhere in NH and VT.  Yellow and cream colored soft hackles fished dragging in the riffles should produce fish there as well.  Tricos are starting to appear as well (size 20-24 white and black mayflies).  I would be happy to help in anyway I can. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

Small (16-20) nymphs and the hatch of the day.  Check with the local fly shop.   This has been a real weird summer with first cold and now heat.  Nothing has been too predictable except that fishing is always better than working. — Len —– Leonard Campbell                                                                                                 solicitations!!

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Another nice place to try your hand at is cole pond near Enfield Center off of 4A.  Take bog pond road and go about 2 miles.  sign for cole pond on the right and it is about a 1/2 mile hike up to it. Fly fishing only and make sure to bring a tube or portage a canoe up as it is tough to fish from the shore in most spots although there are a couple areas were you can wade out.

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Rick, You will be not too far from the Contoocook River, which has a fly fishing only section in W. Henniker.  Also the Masocoma river that runs out of Lake MAscoma can be pretty good.  There are other rivers like the Sugar that are a little further away to the south of where you will be.   There are also some trout ponds worth looking into.  Give me an E-mail when it gets a little closer to your trip, and I might be able to give you a better idea of where to go. Tight Lines, Gerry Crow

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I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  

Rick, you’re in luck: there are a couple of very good rivers near enough to New London to get your flyfishing fix. Should be some good dry fly action as well… There’s some great fishing for browns and ‘bows on the Contoocook River near Henniker, NH, roughly 40 minutes from New London: go south on I89 to Rt 202, follow 202 west to the Rt 114 exit. Take a right at the end of the ramp (114 N), then take the first left past the gas station (Davidson Rd). Follow Davidson for roughly 1 mile to a stop sign, where you then take a left onto Liberty Hill Road (this will take you back across Rt 202). The road quickly turns into unpaved/graded. About 1/10th mile from the bridge over 202, take the first right turn onto Western Road (another dirt road), follow this to a fork (an equipment dealer on your right) and take the left fork down to the river. This road parallels the best fishing on the Contoocook… Another piece of river worth trying is the Sugar River in Guild, NH. Take I89 north to Rt 11 south. When you cross into the town of Guild (~10 miles from New London) from the town of Sunapee, look immediately to the left for Paradise Road (~1/10 mile from the town line) which will take you over the Sugar River. You then see an old railroad grade that roughly parallels the river. Good place to start – the next couple of miles of river heading downstream can be quite good… Finally, the Warner River can also be quite good, and it’s not far from New London (~15 miles). Take I89 south to Rt 103 west, then follow 103 for ~2 miles, then look for the township of Roby (with Roby Road perhaps being the only marker of same ;^). Roby Road heads north from 103 and parallels the Lane River. The confluence of the Lane with the Warner marks the downstream end of a good section of Warner water. Work your way upstream from there for another couple of miles looking for the good spots… Although none of the above is a closely guarded secret, I hope this helps you keep your casting arm limber during your stay in Cow Hampster. None of these rivers would be confused with *any* of the multiple branches of the Salmon River, but they’ll certainly be better than leaving your rod home ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <     "What doesn’t kill you…will hurt like heck!"     < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Hi y’all, I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  Email would be great, posting here is fine.  I’ll happily trade info on Idaho and the general area. Thanks. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I have been fly fishing for awhile now and I always hear that chirnomids are the key.  Any info on how to fish these little creatures would be most helpful!

Depends on whether you’re fishing them in rivers or lakes. In rivers generally I like to fish them dead drift (both pupa and larval imitations).   I fish them under an indicator with 6x (hopefully) or 7x (if I must) tippet set to the depth of the water and a small split shot about 6" above the fly.  In spring creeks the indicator will only move once out of every 4 strikes or so and you’re better off watching the fish for a feeding move if you can see him when the ‘cator gets close.  If the fish’s head snaps from the side to center, STrike! If the fish moves over and stops, STRike!  If you see the white flash of the fish’s mouth opening, wait until it closes and STRIke!   If you think it might be your fly but you’re not sure, STRIKe!!   You have nothing to lose and if it was you and you didn’t strike, the fish may not pick it up again and you’ve lost out.  If in doubt, STRIKE!! You can also fish a pupa imitation in the film by putting some fly floatant only on the thorax).  This will allow it to hang down from the suface just like the natural does (this only works on a fresh fly not a waterlogged one).  You’ll see the strike as a sipping rise. If they are taking the fully emerged adults, fish the midge on the surface.  If you get a refusal – the fish turns away or the water just bulges under your fly, trim the hackle off the bottom of the fly and cut the tail in half. This will drop it slightly into the film and will usually take the fish that just refused it.  If you don’t see a small bubble in the riseform, then the fish is not breaking the surface and hanging it an inch under the water sometimes works real well.  Treat your leader with fly floatant up to about 1"-2" away from the fly but not on the pupa itself.  This will hang the fly just under the surface.  Sometimes the take is visible as a rise and sometimes the take just looks like a bulge in the water – STRIKE! In lakes I also often use an indicator with my pupa imitations to more accurately imitate the manner in which  they approach the surface.  Attach the indicator about 5′ above the fly and a small split shot about 6" from the fly.  Cast the fly out and allow it to sink for 10 seconds or so. Strip the fly back to you in 6-7" strips with the rod tip in the water so that when you pull on the line you are pulling on the fly.  Strip it just fast enough to make a small wake with the indicator.  This method makes the fly swim up to the surface more vertically than without an indicator and makes a big difference in success.  Watch the ‘cator closely as the fish will often take the fly as it stops moving and sinks a little before the next strip.  Even if the fish takes it as you have it under tension, the indicator will twitch slightly before you feel it.  These are most effectively fished over weedbeds (chironomid hotels). I set up dries and emergers in lake the same way I outlined for rivers, but I try to give them a little twitch from time to time since there is no current. Helps attract the fish’s attention and adds a little more realism to the presentation.  Remember this is a twitch not a 1 or 2" pull – would have to be super midge to move that far.  If you get the slack out of the line and get your rod tip slightly under water you can do this twitch pretty effectively. Don’t overdo it.                            Hope this helps,                                    Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am looking into the purchase of a sea kayak for use in flyfishing.  I plan on fishing from the kayak for large fish, the kind that take 5-8 lbs. of pressure to land (doesn’t sound like much but believe me!). Does anyone with experience with available types of sea kayaks have recommendations regarding kayak length, materials composition, one- versus two-person models, paddle types, etc.?  I’m dealing with winds of 10-15 knots and 9-ft. flyrods. Sorry to ask such a general question.  Advice on any of the above subjects would be sincerely appreciated. Marshall Cutchin

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: I am looking into the purchase of a sea kayak for use in flyfishing.  I : plan on fishing from the kayak for large fish, the kind that take 5-8 lbs. : of pressure to land (doesn’t sound like much but believe me!). : Does anyone with experience with available types of sea kayaks have : recommendations regarding kayak length, materials composition, one- versus : two-person models, paddle types, etc.?  I’m dealing with winds of 10-15 : knots and 9-ft. flyrods. : Sorry to ask such a general question.  Advice on any of the above subjects : would be sincerely appreciated. : Marshall Cutchin *** Amongst the fiberglass models .. the Current Designs Pieces is excellent for fishing although the MOST STABLE KAYAK FOR FISHING is still a double Klepper!

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Steve, How about sharing the outrageous p[attern.. This is one I have not heard of and would be most grateful for a reply.   Thanks

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: Steve, : : How about sharing the outrageous p[attern.. This is one I have not heard : of and would be most grateful for a reply.   Thanks : No problem. Let me explain how we came across this fly. My dad saw the pattern advertised by C.I. Tackle Co. of Battle Ground, Washington.  He bought four and we took them with us on our 1992 trip to the Alaska Peninsula.  The Pinks and Silvers went nuts with them. In no time, those four were gone.  Since then we make them part of every trip since they catch quite a few different fish. The thing I did not like about these Outrageous (the ones purchased) was the hook.  They are very poor quality.  I bought just one more and use it as a pattern for tying my own. As I mentioned, I use a Tiemco 5263 hook, no.4. The thread color is orange. I tie them weighted, but be sure to leave enough room for the head, it can get cramped. The body is pink, using, well, it looks like dyed wool. I tie it so it completely covers around the lead wire and is about 5/8" past the bend of the hook. Then, there are two sets of feathers that go along each side. These feathers are pink and red, I use schlappin (sp?).  Cut these feathers (use the ends) about 3 1/8" long and tie them just behind the eye of the hook.  I tie them with the pink feather on the inside (closest to the body) and the red on the outside.  Again, these go on both sides.  Next, tie in some *electric blue* Flashabou on top, kind of between the two sets of feathers.  This is tied in just behind the hook eye as well.  Then goes the hackle.  This is one orange and one red schlappin feather tied in a palmered style about 3/16" behind the hook eye.  Use the orange thread to build a nice head and finish per usual methods. Now, just add water.  The fish part will take care of itself! If I can find the old packaging from the materials, I will pass that along so the exact body material can be identified. Kindest regards, Steve Kernosky

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Since the subject has come up, I thought I would pass along some information concerning what flies worked on a recent trip to Alaska. Purple egg sucking leech-tied on a no.4 Tiemco 5263 hook. The egg was light pink to simulate the egg of a Chum salmon.  With this fly, I caught King salmon, Chum salmon, Rainbows (lots!), Char, and Grayling.  Really, this fly caught everything! Outrageous-Also tied on the no. 4 Tiemco 5263 hook.  This fly took King and Chum salmon, rainbows, and Char.  In previous trips, this fly has worked extremely well for Pinks and Silvers. Humpy-size 12.  Caught Grayling and Char with this fly.  The Char seemed to strike best when the fly was skated across the surface. The largest Grayling was about 22" (close to three pounds, maybe). Brown Drake-size 10.  Caught Grayling (lots!) and a few rainbow with this fly. Mice-this is the first trip where I have tried mice and I was absolutely amazed.  Char (upwards of seven pounds), rainbow, and even Grayling go after these things.  I tied some using caribou hair.  The final product was about an inch long but in the future I think I will cut this down just a bit.  The fish would often just keep striking the little critter until they were hooked. For the entire seven days, these are the only five flies I used.  I was fishing on the Alaska Peninsula through Blue Mountain Lodge, owned by Tracy Vrem.  The lodge is located about 15 miles southwest of Lake Becharof.  Without getting into too much detail (and sounding like an advertisement), Tracy conducts fly-out type fishing. The lodge itself is not really fancy. He has many places to fish within a short (say, twenty minutes) plane ride from the lodge. The fishing can vary from catching salmon on streamers to Grayling on dry flies. Thanks for you time. Best regards, Steve Kernosky Michigan Tech University      

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The guy is a snake oil selling fraud. I mean, who couldn’t catch 10 lb bass with regularity in a fish farm? If you are trying to learn how to fish, don’t use butthead Bill as a benchmark! FB — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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what caused such a rash against Bill.

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what caused such a rash against Bill.

He’s not a bad fisherman as long as he has his divers hookin’ those toads for him.

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The guy swears by a certain product (Stow Away Batteries)-(Now Champion), (Diawa)-(Now Quantum)and then turns around and talks up a new one when the sponsor antes up more money. He cant even stay with the people who sponsored him through his fishing career and made him what he is today. Just my opinion.

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I have to agree. Bill Dance will push the product that offers to pay him the most $$$. It really detracts from the show and his credibility. Al in NH

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Bill is  no worse than R. Martin, who is open about his "tools" used to film his spots.  As he put it to a friend of mine  - – - " they made Star Wars in a studio with tricks, didn’t they ??"   I guess it just comes with the turf.

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Bill is ALOT worse than Roland Martin. How many times do you hear where Roland is fishing today? Logan Martin, Okechobee, Lanier. Lakes everyone know and can access. And Bill? "We’re here fishing Gump’s Private Pond where trespassers will be shot."

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He is miles ahead of Jimmy, throw the fish in live well from the front of the boat, Houston. — Gert Jensen                         Editor: BACKCASTS 600 Warren Rd.                      VP Communication   Bldg.1, Apt.3-A                     Northeastern Council   Ithaca, NY 14850                    Federation of Fly Fishers Ph:607-257-5796                     ‘Conserving–Restoring–Educating Through Fly Fishing’       See our Home Page: http://light.lightlink.com/ephemera/

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I boycotted Dance for over 4 years after a 1986 episode where he was fishing for smallmouth below a TVA reservoir.  It seemed great at first (99% of his shows were just largemouth so this was a nice change of pace), but then he hooked what he thought was a world record smallmouth.  The fish turned out to be a large drum.  A real fisherman would have been thrilled to have caught something that fought well enough to be a record smallie, but Bill murdered the poor fish by drum".  What a jerk!  Real men know drum are a classy gamefish and a valuable asset to the ecosystem.  Of course drum are too smart to bite lures on a regular basis so Dance, thinking with his wallet, would not get sponsorship $ for intelligent species like drum, carp, etc. The Dancin’ Eel: most useless lure ever made? Stumbling onto his show in late 1990, he seemed to have become a kinder, gentler angler, taking better care of fish, but his shows seem staged. IMHO the only worthwhile Dance show is "The Worst of Bill Dance", 40 minutes of celebrity guests and bloopers.  Dance haters can take pleasure when he falls in the water, bangs his head, hooks himself, etc. Ahti Eric Rovainen

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The best part of bill dance? When in the bloopers episode, his snagged lure flies out of a tree (huge crankbait) and pops him in the croch. YES! Thats funny!

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What!, we all don’t use those bullshit "Nightcrawler Links"? Yes, cheap hotdogs in cherry koolaid.

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I have to agree. Bill Dance will push the product that offers to pay him the most $$$. It really detracts from the show and his credibility. Al in NH

How about Roland Martin??? His show is just an info-mercial for spiderwire the the guide who happens to be on his boat that week! RonM

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I have started watching Bill in the past 9 months. He is one of my favorites. Maybe I am missing something. He has good tips for me. He talks about how to preserve nature. Yes he sells products but are we supposed to stop watching Full House because they drink Pepsi. He has to fund his show. All shows need funding. There are not enough viewers to demand high dollars for a fishing show. This is just my opinion. I do like Jimmy, Bill, Hank, and Bass Masters.

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   I watch Bill Dance’s shows, too.  Every fisherman out there with a show advertises all the time.  That’s how they can pay for the show.  But I sure wish old Bill would just grab those bass out of the water when he gets them to the boat instead of yanking them up in the air so that it looks like they’re jumping.    Dennis  

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A friend of mine heard on NPR that an undergraduate physics student at Reed College has won a national physics prize for best undergraduate paper, and that his subject concerned the physics of flycasting.   Does anyone know who the student is, an email address, or how to get a copy of the paper?  I would be quite interested in seeing it and hearing from the student.         — Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim); Physicist, Artificial Intelligence GE Corporate R&D, 1 River Road, Schenectady, NY 12301

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A friend of mine heard on NPR that an undergraduate physics student at Reed College has won a national physics prize for best undergraduate paper, and that his subject concerned the physics of flycasting.   Does anyone know who the student is, an email address, or how to get a copy of the paper?  I would be quite interested in seeing it and hearing from the student.    – Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim); Physicist, Artificial Intelligence GE Corporate R&D, 1 River Road, Schenectady, NY 12301

A week or so ago I posted to the flyfishing group details of an article in the American J. Physics on the subject of the physics of flycasting.  I think the author was R.J. Adams but I did not keep the details of the reference.  If anyone reads both groups they may be able to give the details I posted. Gordon MacPherson Dunn School of Pathology Oxford University

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For those of you who are interested, there are two articles on the subject of flycasting in the American Journal of Physics. The references are:   The mechanics of flycasting: The flyline   Graig A. Spolek   Am. J. Phys. vol. 54, September 1986, pp 832-836   The physics of fly casting   John M. Robson   Am. J. Phys. vol. 58, March 1990, pp 234-240 Hope you enjoy them ! Eric Allen

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