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New neighbor called today–His moving van is arriving tomorrow afternoon but he heard I was a fisherman  and wanted to know if I would go fishing with him 6;30 AM-I ask do you have a boat- yes its at the marina-I will call they gas it up and put it in the water for us-what type of gear should I bring? Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

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New neighbor called today–His moving van is arriving tomorrow afternoon but he heard I was a fisherman  and wanted to know if I would go fishing with him 6;30 AM-I ask do you have a boat- yes its at the marina-I will call they gas it up and put it in the water for us-what type of gear should I bring? Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

Now you can mooch some serious flies, IJ

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Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

The one thing I figured out the last time I fished for ’spannies’ is that you can’t strip line too fast. Man, it’s fun to get into a bunch of those little torpedoes. — Charlie…

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Al, you are inviting PETA here?  That is tantamount to inviting meowers here.  Sometimes you are amusing, but now you have gone too far, if this is your intent. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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Bob writes: Al, you are inviting PETA here?  That is tantamount to inviting meowers here.  Sometimes you are amusing, but now you have gone too far, if this is your intent. —   Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.   Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

Bob If i feel like it I’ll invite a peta type who is also a jetskier. How does that grab you? Al

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I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc.

OK Al, here’s something that will help you out, I found it in an outdoor magazine.  The entire ad is as follows: "Bait Stick" is a stretchy, sticky glue that will attach live insects to a hook.  Wrap a match-head-sized glob on a hook and touch the glue to an ant, salmon egg…whatever.  The bug won’t die because the glue is non-toxic; instead, the insect will thrash and kick around.  Can you think of a better fish attractant?  The glue never dries out and continues to work underwater. Insects will even stay attached when being cast with a fly rod.  ($7.50; 734-676-7772) There, now quit worrying about finding a harness to fish your live bait from.  Call the phone number, part with $7.50 US and go feed some fish. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing

livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal The aversion has nothing to do with "sacrificing" livebait.  The aversion lies in the fact that often times while fishing livebait, a fish is gut hooked, rendering them unreleasable, or if you do, there is a strong possibility that the fish will die.  If you are paying attention to the overall attitude of the members of this newsgroup, you will notice that the majority of us would rather fish, catching and releasing them to enjoy another day.  I’m sure that most of us release in excess of 90% of the fish we catch.  It’s harder to do when the fish are gut hooked as happens more often when fishing livebait.  Also, many members feel that there is more skill involved in fooling a fish into striking an artificial than to feed livebait to a bass.  To many of us, it’s not the actual fish being caught, it’s the process of getting the strike in the first place that trips our triggers.  And if you don’t understand that, maybe you should take up golf. i was wondering what Peta types would think of it.

My thoughts on what PETA types would think of it???   Who cares??? —

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I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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lso is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

Hello Albert,   Have you ever had a mess of crickets get loose n your truck or had earthworms bust out in your fridge and crawl on the meatloaf or had a minnow jump out the bucket and wedge his way underneath the seat where he would stay and stink for Tommy Rilee

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Hello Albert,   Have you ever had a mess of crickets get loose n your truck or had earthworms bust out in your fridge and crawl on the meatloaf or had a minnow jump out the bucket and wedge his way underneath the seat where he would stay and stink for Tommy Rilee

Tom No i have never had that happen to me. I’ve heard the fridge thing before. Rotting minnows under a seat make a fishing boat smell like what it should smell like. I’m not afraid of the bait or getting my hands dirty. If your afraid of the bait how are you with the fish. It’s best to think like your quarry (fish) then you will have no qualms about the bait. Al

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Al, if you try and analyze what the PETA people think, it’ll drive you crazy, because they are crazy.  I’m not any proponent of hurting animals needlessly, and would never do it purposely.  I used to hunt (a lot when younger) and fished both then and now, and it doesn’t bother me to eat what I shot or caught, which meant having to dispatch them.  PETA nuts equate the equality of animals to people.  I don’t.  That includes live bait.  If you’re interested in live bait harnesses, you can probably find them on line at BPS or Cabela’s. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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Thanks Mike….. -walt At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold,

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

The best part is: we knew you were coming so we cleaned up the place! /daytripper (Welcome home, Mike.)

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Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

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Thanks Mike and hopefully welcome back.

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Thanks, Mike. Tom At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red…….

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns.

Hooray.   Let me be the first (okay, second) to say welcome back. Joe F.

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Truly wonderful and long missed prose snipped. Welcome back Mike.  The wandering bard has again alighted in our village.  Lets hope his stay is as dear to him as his wisdom is to us.       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Thanks Mike, and welcome back! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!!  I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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Mike, When some leave the group we’re happy, When you left we all felt real crappy, But now you’re back, The election was whack, and… ahh, crap, my limericks suck. welcome back.  we missed you. bruce h Before you buy.

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Welcome back to ROFF. Paul

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<snipped Welcome back Mike.  Your contributions are most welcomed and enjoyed. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Oh dear, and after wading through severaI thousand posts, I thought somebody had come up with a new method of learning to cast, which was apparently developed in Florida. It was always difficult timing the punch when casting TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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http://www.mikeconnor.de Hope you enjoy it. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint)

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<with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

Before you buy.

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How many of you use a whipped loop on your fly line to which you connect your looped leaders? Seems like this makes a lot of sense … yet the books don’t really discuss it … at least the books I have read … tried it for shooting head system … works well there …. John

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How many of you use a whipped loop on your fly line to which you connect your looped leaders?

<SNIP You are describing the NAIL KNOT!

<SNIP I didn’t think he was describing a nail knot.  I thought he was talking about creating some sort of ‘loop’ in the end of his fly line, not tying a loop onto the end of the line with a nail knot. Could just be my misinterpretation though (certainly wouldn’t be the first time). Dave If we didn’t have some bad days, they would call it ‘catching’, not ‘fishing’.

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You are describing the NAIL KNOT! It has always bothered me that the same knot gets different names depending upon how it is used. Nail knot Whip finish Snell They all are the same knot, even if made differently.

"Whipping" is NOT a nail knot.   It involves using a smaller diameter line or thread to secure a doubled-back portion of the main line. [Large lines (what non-sailors call "ropes") are whipped with heavy twine.]   In the case of whipping a loop in the end of a flyline, it involves stripping off a section of the coating, then folding it back and "whipping" the overlap with rod-wrapping or fly-tying thread. The "whip finish" refers to the way you end "whipping,"   It is not the same as a nail knot, either!   (See page 102, "Practical Fishing Knots II," Sosin and Kreh, 1991, Lyons and Burford, New York, NY) Bob Scott Ex-Navy

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How many of you use a whipped loop on your fly line to which you connect your looped leaders?

Me. Then loop to a surgeons loop in the bimini of 6′ of 20# flourocarbon. It isn’t a nail not, by the way. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "Lie ? Me ? Never!  No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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To others as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are describing the NAIL KNOT! It has always bothered me that the same knot gets different names depending upon how it is used. Nail knot Whip finish Snell They all are the same knot, even if made differently. "Whipping" is NOT a nail knot.   It involves using a smaller diameter line or thread to secure a doubled-back portion of the main line. [Large lines (what non-sailors call "ropes") are whipped with heavy twine.]   In the case of whipping a loop in the end of a flyline, it involves stripping off a section of the coating, then folding it back and "whipping" the overlap with rod-wrapping or fly-tying thread. The "whip finish" refers to the way you end "whipping,"   It is not the same as a nail knot, either!   (See page 102, "Practical Fishing Knots II," Sosin and Kreh, 1991, Lyons and Burford, New York, NY)

These do describe the same mathematical topological entity as a nail knot. When you ignore such properties as the size of the various lines or ropes, the fundamental structure of all these knots is the same even though they may superficially look different. Bill

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Hi John, Give it a try and see if it works out for you. I have seen it on many anglers lines that have come though the stores that I have worked. 1) You can turn back the flyline and wip a loop with the core. 2) You can use some dacron line for the lopop too. 3) You can use a factory braided mono loop or make your own braided mono loop. I try to test all the different knots, connections and systems to see how they work. What you or I choose to use ourselves is meaningless as there are so many ways to do all of this. PS: I prefer to ‘needle nail knot’ the mono butt of my leader to the fly line and I do see it is very popular for fresh water fishing in the California.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many of you use a whipped loop on your fly line to which you connect your looped leaders? Seems like this makes a lot of sense … yet the books don’t really discuss it … at least the books I have read … tried it for shooting head system … works well there …. John

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How many of you use a whipped loop on your fly line to which you connect your looped leaders? Seems like this makes a lot of sense … yet the books don’t really discuss it … at least the books I have read … tried it for shooting head system … works well there …. John

You are describing the NAIL KNOT! It has always bothered me that the same knot gets different names depending upon how it is used. Nail knot Whip finish Snell They all are the same knot, even if made differently. Bill

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Hi, I need some help by experienced fly fishers and I think this is the right place. I live in the eastern italian Alps and am looking for a good way to catch the european whitefish, as they say it swims somewhere here. The matter is: I don’t simply know how to catch it. I thought "why not a fly?", yeah, but which fly? Then I am running into fantasy. I’m sure someone out there has experience on the matter. Thanks in advance, Bepo

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Bepo I need some help by experienced fly fishers and I think this is Bepo the right place. I live in the eastern italian Alps and am Bepo looking for a good way to catch the european whitefish, as they Bepo say it swims somewhere here. The matter is: I don’t simply know Bepo how to catch it. I thought "why not a fly?", yeah, but which Bepo fly? Then I am running into fantasy. I’m sure someone out there Bepo has experience on the matter. I’m no expert (well that’s a start for an advice ), but the Swedish fly Superpuppan was originally developed for whitefish fishing, although not in your waters. You might still want to check it out and try it in your local caddis colors: http://www.virtualflybox.com/f0100/f0173.html Note that the hackle is cut off from over and below the hook shank. Also, use a high-quality hackle so that the fly hangs in the surface. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Hi, I need some help by experienced fly fishers and I think this is the right place. I live in the eastern italian Alps and am looking for a good way to catch the european whitefish, as they say it swims somewhere here. The matter is: I don’t simply know how to catch it. I thought "why not a fly?", yeah, but which fly? Then I am running into fantasy. I’m sure someone out there has experience on the matter. Thanks in advance, Bepo

I have twice fished for this fish ( Coregonus laveratus), in some large German lakes.  On both occasions, I was with an experienced local fisherman in a boat and equipment known as a "hegene" was used.  This is basically a special paternoster system for jigging, using ( five) nymphs as droppers. Mostly it is used by professional fishermen. The only information I can offer you is in German.  Here is a picture of the equipment used; http://www.hegenenfischen.de/Hegene/Bild_Hegene/bild_hegene.html Normally a very sensitive fly rod is used, and a centrepin reel.  Here are some pictures; http://www.angelprofi.at/Die%20Renke.htm#Die%20Hegene Renke ( whitefish) are considered a great delicacy, especially smoked, but are more or less useless as sport fish.  I assume you wish to catch them to eat? It is also apparently possible to catch them using "normal" jigging equipment and small slim jigs.  In many places they are also fished for using natural bait ( mainly minnows) also usually on paternoster systems. TL MC

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"Mike" shared a nice experience fishing for Whitefish. I have twice fished for this fish (Coregonus laveratus), in some large German lakes. <Snipped, great information Up here in the Pacific Northwest we have The mountain whitefish (Prosopium williamsoni) and on at least two trout rivers, the Deschutes and the Crooked River in Oregon, whitefish have considerably larger populations than trout.  The population estimate for the mainstream Deschutes River is 5,000 whitefish per mile. Since I release just about everything I catch these days, I think they are a nice addition to most of the fisheries around here.  They seem to take the same patterns as the trout and I have heard of some patterns tied just for the whitefish, although I have never seen one and I can’t seem to find one on the web today. Chris Fanning

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 Up here in the Pacific Northwest we have The mountain whitefish (Prosopium williamsoni) and on at least two trout rivers, the Deschutes and the Crooked River in Oregon, whitefish have considerably larger populations than trout.  The population estimate for the mainstream Deschutes River is 5,000 whitefish per mile. Since I release just about everything I catch these days, I think they are a nice addition to most of the fisheries around here.  They seem to take the same patterns as the trout and I have heard of some patterns tied just for the whitefish, although I have never seen one and I can’t seem to find one on the web today.

I think they’re fun to catch. JeffC has a well deserved reputation as ROFF’s Whitefish expert. RW has a couple of Whitefish patterns. Personally I’m glad that Whitefish seem to be starting to get a better reputation as a game fish. Although some anglers will still throw them in the bushes, this is much less common. Last Fall on the ranch section of Henry’s Fork, the Whitefish would feed right next to the trout. I caught a couple very large Whitefish on dries. On the Madison, Warren and myself found what must of been close to a hundred Whitefish feeding on Trico’s in the outside curve of a section of rapids. Willi

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On the Deschutes below Warm Springs we caught many whitefish while nymphing for rainbows. The Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear (# 12 medium weighted) was my fly of choice when the trout weren’t rising. It seems when we caught one "snooter" in a riffle, we would catch several more in the same spot. They seemed to congregate together. My guess…. And, on the Weber river in Utah 25 or 30 years ago (good trout river), I witnessed a fishermen taking whitefish on a small ( # 14 or smaller) very light colored cream nymph. He was using a spinning rod combo and fishing a school (sp?) of whitefish. Guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Up here in the Pacific Northwest we have The mountain whitefish (Prosopium williamsoni) and on at least two trout rivers, the Deschutes and the Crooked River in Oregon, whitefish have considerably larger populations than trout.  The population estimate for the mainstream Deschutes River is 5,000 whitefish per mile. Since I release just about everything I catch these days, I think they are a nice addition to most of the fisheries around here.  They seem to take the same patterns as the trout and I have heard of some patterns tied just for the whitefish, although I have never seen one and I can’t seem to find one on the web today. I think they’re fun to catch. JeffC has a well deserved reputation as ROFF’s Whitefish expert. RW has a couple of Whitefish patterns. Personally I’m glad that Whitefish seem to be starting to get a better reputation as a game fish. Although some anglers will still throw them in the bushes, this is much less common. Last Fall on the ranch section of Henry’s Fork, the Whitefish would feed right next to the trout. I caught a couple very large Whitefish on dries. On the Madison, Warren and myself found what must of been close to a hundred Whitefish feeding on Trico’s in the outside curve of a section of rapids. Willi

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The European whitefish and the mountain whitefish of the North American west are in different genera, so parallels drawn or assumed to exist between them (in the absence of first-hand experience) are suspect in my book. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Last Fall on the ranch section of Henry’s Fork, the Whitefish would feed right next to the trout. I caught a couple very large Whitefish on dries. On the Madison, Warren and myself found what must of been close to a hundred Whitefish feeding on Trico’s in the outside curve of a section of rapids.

I caught all mine on nymphs – none on dries.  At first I just assumed it was because of how the whitefish mouth is shaped and angled, but you and others have caught them on dries, so obviously they’re able to take flies off the surface.

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I think they’re fun to catch. JeffC has a well deserved reputation as ROFF’s Whitefish expert. RW has a couple of Whitefish patterns.

Chamois nymphs work great, if you don’t mind approaching dangerously close to baitfishing. Copper Johns are also deadly, but they’re unethical, too. Galvanic action. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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On the Deschutes below Warm Springs we caught many whitefish while nymphing for rainbows. The Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear (# 12 medium weighted) was my fly of choice when the trout weren’t rising. It seems when we caught one "snooter" in a riffle, we would catch several more in the same spot. They seemed to congregate together. My guess…. ……

On the very upper Deschutes (above Crane Prairie) the rainbows seem to segregate themselves.  Most runs, pools and riffles you know will contain only rainbows.  Brookies and whitefish, however, tend to share pools. There are a number of deep brook trout holes from which I’ll pull three or four whitefish for each brookie.  I used to think of the whitefish as a sort of admission fee–something you just had to go through, to get past, in order to hook a trout.  In latter years, I’ve come to enjoy catching them as much as the brookies, especially since, on average, they’re a good deal larger.  Powerful fighters, too, and when smoked, fine eating. JR

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Ok thanks, more or less I have an idea, an emerging caddis can work. I am going to find out which caddises dwell in the place, so that I can choose the best colours. I was thinking also to a pond olive, they live in that lake and probably whitefish eats it. Bepo

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I have twice fished for this fish ( Coregonus laveratus)

C. lavaretus is the species italians introduced in their lakes during the XIX century. The only information I can offer you is in German.

In two weeks with a dictionary I can read nearly everything (nearly). I assume you wish to catch them to eat?

I will try to catch it to find out if I am able to do it, I don’t like to eat freshwater fish, they are few in number, overfished and not so good at taste, it’s better to let ‘em live. Except for invasive alloctonous species, like rainbow trout and brown trout. Bepo

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The European whitefish and the mountain whitefish of the North American west are in different genera, so parallels drawn or assumed to exist between them (in the absence of first-hand experience) are suspect in my

book. addition, none of them belong to the same genera as the mountain whitefish, bluegills, red eared sunfish, smallmouth bass, rock bass, or black crappie. I have caught all of the above (as well as many others) on elk hair caddis, pt nymphs, pass lakes, grhe, pickett pins, wooly buggers, ants, and hoppers (as well as many others).  Parallels drawn or assumed to exist between them are safe enough in MY book. Wolfgang

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RW wrote "Copper Johns are also deadly, but they’re unethical, too. Galvanic action. " — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ Damn! and I just tied up 2 dozen of them!  I wish you would tell me what flies were unethical before I tie them up I suppose –  to be pure and all – If it catches fish, its probably unethical as a general rule. jh

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Damn! and I just tied up 2 dozen of them!  I wish you would tell me what flies were unethical before I tie them up

If you use anything other than your snout or paws, it’s unethical. <g — Charlie…

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Personally I’m glad that Whitefish seem to be starting to get a better reputation as a game fish. Although some anglers will still throw them in the bushes, this is much less common.

I spent a few days floating the Big Horn with a local guide who grew up on the reservation there.  He sure knew his river, and boy could he handle that boat with authority.   Occasionally I’d hookup with a WFish and the guide seem to get extremely upset about it, I mean really mad.  I’ll never forget him taking those large suckers and huckin’ ‘em as far as he could onto the nearest bank, into the bushes.  He’d call them trash fish and pontificate how they were a disgrace to the fishery…. To this day, I still feel bad about that.  It just didn’t set well with me at all. K

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<SNIP Occasionally I’d hookup with a WFish and the guide seem to get extremely upset about it, I mean really mad.  I’ll never forget him taking those large suckers and huckin’ ‘em as far as he could onto the nearest bank, into the bushes.  He’d call them trash fish and pontificate how they were a disgrace to the fishery…. To this day, I still feel bad about that.  It just didn’t set well with me at all.

Years ago, literally tons of Grayling were caught from certain rivers, and thrown up on the bank. Lots of pike were also destroyed in this way.  There are still one or two stupid and short-sighted people who consider grayling a pest. Apart from that, something rather puzzles me.  If people catch and release, what does it matter what they catch and release? Or is it that there is some indefinable but somehow much greater kudos involved in catching certain salmonids? There are plenty of other fish which are just as challenging to catch, some a lot more so than trout etc. As a general rule, I keep sizeable takeable fish I catch, but I consider others as a bonus usually, ( even if I am obliged to release them), and not as pests. I just like catching fish, I am not overly fussy what type. Just curiosity, no wish to start a C&R debate. TL MC

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Years ago, literally tons of Grayling were caught from certain rivers, and thrown up on the bank. Lots of pike were also destroyed in this way. There are still one or two stupid and short-sighted people who consider grayling a pest.

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I’d like to hear your thoughts on a new project I’ve been working on, any suggestions would really help. The idea is to take people fishing or hunting in a corporate aircraft up north or anywhere, instead of driving or taking the airlines and then a bush plane. I can fly people right into the lodges. I just want to hear what you guys think of this. For example I can take people to the James Bay area or Middle Quebec round trip for about $2950 canadian, or $1925 US for three days. I can take a maximum of four people in an executive cabin, so that could mean only $481 US each if there is four of you, each extra day would cost $135 US / day since the aircraft is grounded. Not bad eh! I can fly into any airport up there. Most lodges and guides have small strips which are easily accessible. I can even take Americans from the US into Canada. All trips of course being very flexible and up to you to plan. The aircraft is a pressurized twin Cessna 340A model used for executive and general charters out of Toronto. Please let me know what any of you think. This is in no way a publicity stunt but a way for me to find out if these trips can work out. Thank you and good fishing Ian Mathers

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Not sure of that out of Toronto.  But I know some American that might go for it. Ron

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Yesterday my 8 year old daughter(future stasher),lover of XS asked me, while looking at my stash "Mom, When you die, what are you going to leave me?"LOL Laura

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Yesterday my 8 year old daughter(future stasher),lover of XS asked me, while looking at my stash "Mom, When you die, what are you going to leave me?"LOL

My 5-year-old daughter has been using that line, but not so tactfully, lately: "can I have that cup when you’re dead?"  "I can sit in your stitching chair when you’re dead," etc.  I realize this is all an entirely normal developmental stage (separation, beginnings of realization of death, yadda, yadda), but it sure makes a mom’s heart twinge. Joy in PA current projects — "Angel with Lambs" Stoney Creek, "Summer Afternoon" Betsy Stinner, "Flamin’ Chili Peppers Heart" Sweetheart Tree, Bibs for an abuse shelter (e-mail me for more info on how to help)

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I’m LOL too, Laura.  Seriously, I think it is marvelous that she has the potential to be such a world class stashaholic.  One of my daughters loves to stitch, the other just loves to get stitched presents.  I do think we need to infect them at a young age. Congrats, Brynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday my 8 year old daughter(future stasher),lover of XS asked me, while looking at my stash "Mom, When you die, what are you going to leave me?"LOL Laura

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I solved my 8 year olds problem, by starting up her own stash. She now has a stamped XS (one of my UFO’s) of a bear and last night I took her to A.C.Moore to buy her her own Counted XS of Elmo. She sat on the couch last night & told DH that "she was not going to bed,she had XS to do!" And then went on explaining that she could do hers faster than he could do his. They are both beginners. I’m going to stitch myself my own little padded room for when I get done teaching these 2 hardheads how to stitch.:) Amanda (8 yr old) has a birthday at the end of August. I would like to get her small xs’s in round frames and can’t find them anywhere unless I purchase Christmas any help would be appreciated with this. Laura

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i sent my girls (7-year-old twins) to stitching class at the lns (the counting bee).  since the class was at the end of june, the design was a 4th of july fire cracker designed and taught by debbie from holly house designs. they used perle cotton on 6-count.  they *loved* it. since that class we have been looking for small kits/designs that don’t have many color changes. my son found some kits at the local drug store — the girls need to go with me to pick.  these kits are designed specifically for children  – they are really cute and small, some are stamped and some are counted, each comes with a little round frame for when the piece is completed.  the counted pieces were a dog, smiley face, yin yang(sp?) and a couple more that i can’t remember.  stamped pieces were a globe (the earth), a whale and some others.  i will be at the store this week and will be picking up a couple — if anyone wants the company name email and i’ll let you know! btw, my son decided the fire cracker was pretty cool and we bought a kit of the project for him.  he finished his is two days, molly finished hers the next day…the third is mia.  then, we bought some xs books for magnets and small stuff, some 11 count aida and they are really enjoying it! this is the first time that my children have been in a traditional school. at our old house the school was year round, having 2 1/2 months off is really, really long.  i’m signing them up for every class i can get them to take — next week my son will be learning how to fly fish and tie the flies.  then comes knitting class. jan

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This weekend my 5-1/2 yr old DSD came in and asked me to help her get started on a needlepoint project, so we picked colors from my stash and I cut some canvas for her and told her to go to it.   She started to do a heart because she says "hearts make me smile on rainy days", and the two of us proceeded to work on our projects and watch My Fair Lady – (it was slightly over her head but not unacceptable for her to watch – no bad language no sex etc.) We talked about how much we enjoy spending time like this together and she told me mommy doesn’t ever spend time alone with her (OK this is tricky)  I tried to explain to her that it must be very hard for her taking care of three children by herself to have time for each one.  She said "no, Mommy just talks on the phone to her friends all the time"  Chris confirmed that when they were married she never had any time for him either that her personality is such that she has to constantly be in a social situation – can’t spend "downtime" (which contributed to why they’re divorced) Anyway, her heart is almost finished then she’s going to do the sky, grass and moon.  She asked me if she could keep the colors she’s using – she’s already working on her stash… Bonnie (Bon-Bon)

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We talked about how much we enjoy spending time like this together

I have always said mother, father, sister, brother, son, and daughter were functions not genetics.  You have given her a lifetime gift not only of needlework.

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Hi can anyone help me with some  locations to flyfish in the Tahoe area.  I know there is alot of water and theres got to be a  few hot fly fishing spots. What flies? Fly shops? any thing else that might be helpful? float tubes on the lake? Thanks Great White Thanks for all thoughs who replied to my northerns and tigers questions landed me my first tiger 36"  17 pounds. "Got to quite wishin need to go fishin" Jimmy buffett

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Hi-    Unless you know the area very well, Lake Tahoe is a poor flyfishing destination. South of the Lake is the East Carson River and flowing out of the lake on the North end is the Truckee River. These are the two premier rivers in the area. Currently the Carson is fishing well and the Truckee is blown out.    -Ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi can anyone help me with some  locations to flyfish in the Tahoe area.  I know there is alot of water and theres got to be a  few hot fly fishing spots. What flies? Fly shops? any thing else that might be helpful? float tubes on the lake? Thanks Great White Thanks for all thoughs who replied to my northerns and tigers questions landed me my first tiger 36"  17 pounds. "Got to quite wishin need to go fishin" Jimmy buffett

Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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Ralph is right about the Tahoe area.  The only change is that the Truckee downstream from Tahoe should be improving shortly.  The flows were just decreased today and hopefully will be stable for a while. Also try the Little Truckee, along with the handfull of small creeks in the North Tahoe area.  Good luck. Dick

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Hello All:      An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

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Hello All:     An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

Hi, Dan: I’m participating as a fly-tier at the show and I haven’t heard that plans have been changed.  Of course, the forecast here in northcentral Pa. is for snow with some accumulation on Friday.  I don’t expect that to deter to many of us ardent fly-fishers. Dave Rothrock

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I’ll be at the show; I’ve been in contact with my boss (whose booth I’ll be in) and neither snow nor fire nor any other factor will prevent the show.  It’ll go on mainly because it’s a commercial venture. The weather here is snowy and soggy, with a threat of freeze tonight (Thursday) but it should be clear enough on Saturday and Sunday, though I heard that the ‘Doah valley was going to be harder hit with ice than we are here in Northern VA.  Maybe sunday. Stop by and say hi. Dave Motes at Mark Kovach Fishing Services booth, Sunday.

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I live in Annapolis, and have not heard of any interuption to the show. Come on up! Tom Dougherty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All:      An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

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Have a look at the Jack Dennis Western Fly Tying Manuals, especially Vol II, the best intro into working with hair I have ever seen.                           TU

Hi Thomas, Good advise. I especially wanted to comment on your sign off (TU). It kind of makes a person think of Trout Unlimited. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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At the Troutabout flyfishing show in Syracuse a few weeks ago there was a guy there that was tying some really nice spun deer hair bass flies.  The entire body of the fly was spun with a light beige deer hair forming a very dense body.  The hair was then trimmed to look like a baitfish and then colored using pantone markers.  The result was a very realistic looking baitfish imitation.  In any case, he had I believe one of Jack Dennis’s bass flies books on his tying bench so I imagine it contains some good information on spinning deer hair. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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  Not to kock anyones books or tapes, I’m sure the’re good, but IMHO the best video for deer hair instruction is by Jimmy Nixx.  The tape is 2 hours long and crammed full of instruction.  I learned all my deer hair techniques from just watching the tape. Chuck —

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Have a look at the Jack Dennis Western Fly Tying Manuals, especially Vol II, the best intro into working with hair I have ever seen.                            TU

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Well, there is really not much more I can say… Thank’s.                  Aaron Zee

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Bag the book, Deer hair is tough enough Try to get a video by Jack Dennis etc.

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