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Well, it’s homecoming weekend here in Happy Valley, and those Fightin’ Illini are coming to town to see if they can’t treat the Nittany Lions the same way they did the Iowa Hawkeyes last weekend.  God, I hope not. For all the talk a few weeks ago regarding this game, a potential Autumn mini-clave here in central PA, and a few flames about OT posts– there are no plans for any fishing to actually taking place.  This is really too bad, because the weather is going to be perfect.  Not too cold, the leaves are past their prime but still beautiful, and the days are still reasonably long.  However, I have no idea how to catch trout on a fly in this weather… Ken, I tried and tried to find tickets between the 20s but to no avail.  I would really have enjoyed meeting and doing some Sunday fishing with you.  As luck would have it, none of the half-dozen folks who I *know* have tickets were willing to part with them or had already given them to somebody else–it is homecoming after all, even if the Nittany Lions are having a down year.  Ironically, my Aunt called my wife from work just this afternoon with an offer of two tickets to tomorrows game…  I have no idea if they are between the 20s, or even within sight of the field–hell, with a capacity of nearly 100,000 the term ‘nosebleed seats’ takes on some signifigance at Beaver Stadium. I believe that there are still plans being made for a spring clave on Penns Creek here in central PA.  I look forward to meeting you, Ken, and lots of other ROFFians then.  Too bad it won’t be football season. We Are Penn State! Tom Before you buy.

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Well, it’s homecoming weekend here in Happy Valley, and those Fightin’ Illini are coming to town …

I’ll be watchin’ the game on ESPN2, your Nittany Lions are 3 point favorites according the official ROFF Latest Line and once again Wayno has managed to wheedle an unreal point spread for his Tar Heels. Eighteen and one half friggin’ points he gets against Clemson, it’s a gawdamn Chardonnay conspiracy I tell ya. I believe that there are still plans being made for a spring clave on Penns Creek here in central PA.  I look forward to meeting you, Ken, and lots of other ROFFians then.  Too bad it won’t be football season. We Are Penn State!

Likewise, Tom. Enjoy your weekend and don’t let a little thing like a homecoming loss spoil your fun. Oskee Wow Wow ! — Ken Fortenberry- sluggin’ Bud and hatin’ 11 a.m. kickoffs

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Try Paint Creek in Oakland County.  The stream has both natural reproduction & plantings of brown trout.  The stream is also maintained by the Clinton Valley chapter of Trout Unlimited.  The browns can push 20".  The rainbows are actually steelhead smolts and should be quickly released as they are fully native, and the steelhead fishing in the Clinton River system depends on them.

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No trout streams according to the L&N book. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for all the quick responses; however, are there any locations on the middle to southest corner of the state? Regards, M. I am looking for a location(s) to fly fish in southern L.P. Michigan. Regards, M.

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Thanks for all the quick responses; however, are there any locations on the middle to southest corner of the state? Regards, M.

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A good little book that I have is called "Michigan Trout Streams" by Linsenman & Nevala. Try Augusta Creek just north of Augusta, northeast of Kalamazoo (I’ve had some decent luck there) or farther southwest, Dowigiac Creek & River are listed  near Sumnerville, but I’ve never fished it myself. Good Luck.

If memory serves, Linsenman & Nevala report that there are landlocked salmon in one of the lakes in SW Michigan; I believe it may be Gull Lake.

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I am looking for a location(s) to fly fish in southern L.P. Michigan. Regards, M.

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I am looking for a location(s) to fly fish in southern L.P. Michigan.

There’s salmon fishing between Croton and Newaygo on the Muskegon River and a lot more info at  http://www.steelheadsite.com — Ken Fortenberry

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A good little book that I have is called "Michigan Trout Streams" by Linsenman & Nevala. Try Augusta Creek just north of Augusta, northeast of Kalamazoo (I’ve had some decent luck there) or farther southwest, Dowigiac Creek & River are listed  near Sumnerville, but I’ve never fished it myself. Good Luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a location(s) to fly fish in southern L.P. Michigan. There’s salmon fishing between Croton and Newaygo on the Muskegon River and a lot more info at  http://www.steelheadsite.com — Ken Fortenberry

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Having spent a couple enjoyable afternoons casting around on Chittenango Creek, I’m wondering if there are stretches that make more sense for fly fishing than others.  I’ve been drifting nymphs in the fast water within a mile below the falls, mostly because the lower stretches have numerous posted signs. Are there any public areas I’m missing above or below the village?  How about above the falls?  Thanks in advance. DS

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DS, I didn’t know Chittenango Creek was open this time of year.  Well anyway, there is a public fishing area above the falls a little ways that I’ve never had much luck at but it might be worth a try.  I’ve never had any problem with posted land along the stream, the only area that’s posted that I know of that prevents access is near the concrete blocks with the cable strung between them. If you drive downstream from the falls on the highway the first left hand turn on a gravel rd ( I can’t remember the name) will allow pretty easy access.  Downstream from the gravel road there are plenty of nice pools and riffles that hold some decent fish but can be a little hard to maneuver around when summer rolls around and the area gets more overgrown. I’ve never fished much in the village but have seen many others.  Check out the Yankee Fly shop in the village the owner would probably know more than I. I have to say that Chittenango creek is one of my favorite streams the entire area below the falls has plenty of fish. Hope this helps. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having spent a couple enjoyable afternoons casting around on Chittenango Creek, I’m wondering if there are stretches that make more sense for fly fishing than others.  I’ve been drifting nymphs in the fast water within a mile below the falls, mostly because the lower stretches have numerous posted signs. Are there any public areas I’m missing above or below the village?  How about above the falls?  Thanks in advance. DS

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Woolly Buggers. Weighted, fished slow and deep… /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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I like to use a bead head green cadis larvae in PA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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There are many different patterns that are used for Browns in the Northeast.  One that I really like is the Glo-bug.  There are many Creeks that have spawnig fish such as Steelhead during the winter months.  A Glo-bug is always a good bet for winter fishing. Good Luck, Forrest Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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        I am an M.D., but I doubt that the Rx that you request would carry much weight with your spouse, boss or IRS….HOWEVER there is a small organization called CLASSIC SPORTS INTERNATIONAL at 1-800-375-5692 that can help you. I’ve tried them and they really do what they promise. Best wishes.

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What’s your fax number?

I wonder if I can have the flyshop bill the insurance company directly ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hi All… I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime of flyfishing to cure my illness(es)…if you can make it believable and FAX it to me on your letterhead, I’d really appreciate it.

Actually, you need a psychiatrist for that.   John Fereira

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Is this covered by an HMO ?

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     I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime      of flyfishing      Actually, you need a psychiatrist for that. You mean. . . proctologist.

…yes, there is a fine line between the fish and the asshole on the bank… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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What’s your fax number?

Steve’s one doc who understands the gravity of this ailment.

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I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime of flyfishing Actually, you need a psychiatrist for that. You mean. . . proctologist.

When they told me that my new flyrod came with it own handy carrying case, that’s not quite what I had in mind. You wouldn’t be able to tell whether I was coming or going. John Fereira

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Hi All… I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime of flyfishing to cure my illness(es)…if you can make it believable and FAX it to me on your letterhead, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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What’s your fax number?

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Moe….Yeah…me too !!  I’d like mine to say that it’s specifically for "job stress".  All we need is an MD whose willing to cooperate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All… I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime of flyfishing to cure my illness(es)…if you can make it believable and FAX it to me on your letterhead, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I am in need of a physician willing to prescribe a lifetime of flyfishing to cure my illness(es)…if you can make it believable and FAX it to me on your letterhead, I’d really appreciate it.

…Go to your favorite stream; Catch and eat 2 Brookies, then call me in the morning…..No wait! Tommorow’s Saturday..I’ll be playing Golf…. Dr. K

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I am an M.D., but I doubt that the Rx that you request would carry much organization tha will arrange fly fishing trips that WILL satisfy all parties involved..It’s called CLASSIC SPORTS INTERNATIONAL at 1 800 375-5692…I’ve used them and they do what they claim. Best wishes.

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I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. In exchange, I offer this report from Indian Creek Reservoir, near Markleeville south of lake Tahoe. Elevation ~5,000 ft.   Weekends of 4/26 & 5/3. Fishing is slow. Water is still very clear.  Very few callibaetis or damsels showing yet, and no visible surface action morning or evening. Dedicated fishers willing to fish through the wind are getting 5-10 hookups per day, on full sink lines fished near the bottom. Most fish in the 12-14 inch range.  Try olive leeches, rubberlip hares ears, and green scuds. Winds generally blowing from the south towards the dam. Most fish were caught in the northern half of lake with few fish taken in the shallows at the southern end. More fish were being caught by trollers with flashers than tubers with flies. It does not seem that there are as many fish here as in years past, but a damsel or callibaetis hatch may bring them to the surface and prove that wrong. -Mark Vinsel I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes.

I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

Bill & Mark—-Martis has been fishing well in the new "flats" on the south side, at the inlet.  Check-out my website and click on "update" for more detailed info on Martis:                  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CyberFly Frank R. Pisciotta

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OK – Now that I have you attention. I looking at buying a new flylline,  the guy  in the shop reckons Mastery flylines are the way to go – are they better than the 444 cortland? If you have any other recomendations I would appreciate it. In addition I am considering buying a  5-6 weight  5 piece , 8′6 Shakespeare  fly rod-  they aren’t a sage but for the price (around $NZ 165) they seem OK.  Does anyone out there own one – if so what do you think of it? PS could you reply to my email addess as my News Feed is sporadic AT BEST. Cheers Steve Christchurch NEW ZEALAND- The place where the BIG   trout live.  

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I bought Cortland Lazer Line last year, for $50 it made me a pro!  No memory, just great.  I recommend it! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK – Now that I have you attention. I looking at buying a new flylline,  the guy  in the shop reckons Mastery flylines are the way to go – are they better than the 444 cortland? If you have any other recomendations I would appreciate it. In addition I am considering buying a  5-6 weight  5 piece , 8′6 Shakespeare  fly rod-  they aren’t a sage but for the price (around $NZ 165) they seem OK.  Does anyone out there own one – if so what do you think of it? PS could you reply to my email addess as my News Feed is sporadic AT BEST. Cheers Steve Christchurch NEW ZEALAND- The place where the BIG   trout live.  

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ASS to removing the hook,simply freeze the area with ice,then pull it with a piece of monofilament at the bend of the hook while pushing the eye of the hook down.hope this helps!!!  :0

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ASS to removing the hook,simply freeze the area with ice,then pull it with a piece of monofilament at the bend of the hook while pushing the eye of the hook down.hope this helps!!!  :0

One can only hope the hook was debarbed. And I think perhaps we can all agree that in this case C & R is the best approach….unless you want to give it a good whack to dispatch it…. ohh man I must really be bored

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Eventually inevitable aspect of all forms of fishing, including dry fly. Chuck it back and fish on…clip your leader if you want, but if the fish is really bleeding you might as well save it (the fly that is).  If the fish is a wild brookie and legal, cook it like a marshmallow on the spot with a small twig fire…Oh man… I think I’d stop fishing this spot with small flies and start pulling a big streamer through the waters and see if old Ms. Brown isn’t around somewhere. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Recently went fishing with a friend on a small but productive stream.   The average trout was probably 5 inches.  With barbless hooks, I was able to release many of the fish successfully.  However, two small ones really sucked down the fly [size 14 adams].  For the first one, I tried to use my pliers to pull it out, but no success. The fish didn’t make it.  I catch and release all fish, so I was bothered that this happened.  The second fish took the fly through the gills and it was deeper in its small mouth that the first fish.  I knew I couldn’t have got the fly without doing lethal damage to the fish.  After a short struggle, I decided to cut the line and swim the fish back to life.  I did so and it took off, with a size 14 in its throat.  I have a feeling that fish might be a goner too.  Then again, I have heard that fish have some kind of biological mechanism that pushes hooks out over time.  Is that true?  Is there anything I could have done differently?  Or, should I just have recognized the inevitable and kept these non-keepers for the cats?

if you encounter such a situation again, your best bet is to snip off the fly and release the fish…fish (and most other animals) have a remarkable ability of ridding themselves of foreign objects.  In any case, the fish’s chances are much better than if you try to worry or twist the hook out. tight lines

A recent Field & Stream article(June ‘96, Conservation by George Reiger) reports that this is not quite the case. 1) Most importantly is returning the fish to the water immediately. It stated that a recetn study showed for trout every *second* counts. Especially for fish played to exhaustion on light lines. Although it makes a great story to play a fish for 45 minutes until it makes that final flop and submits to capture, it is not likely to be healthy for the fish. Fish kept of of water just 30 seconds faired worse than exhausted fish left in the water. Fish held ot of water for 60 seconds were likely to die within 3 days(72% died). 2) Swallowed hooks lodging in the lower throat are likely to kill the fish. It was stated that this area contains the vital organs including heart, liver and head kidney. 3) Hooks left in can cause problems. Fish naturally form a cystlike scar, just as they would if naturally injured by prey. This can make the fish more susceptible to decline or death if conditions(food, stream temps) become adverse. This article made me think. Even releasing fish is no good if you lay them out on the bank and measure, photo, admire or whatever for a period of time. I have been guilty of this. I thought I was doing okay by releasing fish. I wish that these findings were posted in regs or on streams. Be sure to use barbless hooks, find a good, quick hook dislodger(let me know if you find a good solution!). regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Recently went fishing with a friend on a small but productive stream.   The average trout was probably 5 inches.  With barbless hooks, I was able to release many of the fish successfully.  However, two small ones really sucked down the fly [size 14 adams].  For the first one, I tried to use my pliers to pull it out, but no success. The fish didn’t make it.  I catch and release all fish, so I was bothered that this happened.  The second fish took the fly through the gills and it was deeper in its small mouth that the first fish.  I knew I couldn’t have got the fly without doing lethal damage to the fish.  After a short struggle, I decided to cut the line and swim the fish back to life.  I did so and it took off, with a size 14 in its throat.  I have a feeling that fish might be a goner too.  Then again, I have heard that fish have some kind of biological mechanism that pushes hooks out over time.  Is that true?  Is there anything I could have done differently?  Or, should I just have recognized the inevitable and kept these non-keepers for the cats? Thanks — Aaron Wyatt Mark Morris High School English Department http://www.teleport.com/~awyatt if you encounter such a situation again, your best bet is to snip off

the fly and release the fish…fish (and most other animals) have a remarkable ability of ridding themselves of foreign objects.  In any case, the fish’s chances are much better than if you try to worry or twist the hook out. tight lines

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Recently went fishing with a friend on a small but productive stream.   The average trout was probably 5 inches.  With barbless hooks, I was able to release many of the fish successfully.  However, two small ones really sucked down the fly [size 14 adams].  For the first one, I tried to use my pliers to pull it out, but no success. The fish didn’t make it.  I catch and release all fish, so I was bothered that this happened.  The second fish took the fly through the gills and it was deeper in its small mouth that the first fish.  I knew I couldn’t have got the fly without doing lethal damage to the fish.  After a short struggle, I decided to cut the line and swim the fish back to life.  I did so and it took off, with a size 14 in its throat.  I have a feeling that fish might be a goner too.  Then again, I have heard that fish have some kind of biological mechanism that pushes hooks out over time.  Is that true?  Is there anything I could have done differently?  Or, should I just have recognized the inevitable and kept these non-keepers for the cats? Thanks — Aaron Wyatt Mark Morris High School English Department http://www.teleport.com/~awyatt

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

Len Codela of Turner’s Falls, Massachusetts can appraise it if you send it to him.  His current catalog lists South Bend rods anywhere from $100 or less to $400 or so.  There were many different levels of quality of South Bend rods. His prices are slightly high as he caters to collectors as much as fishers.  Call either 508 or 433-555-1212 to get his number I’m not sure which area code. As this is a fishing more than a collecting forum,  I say the real value is how it feels to fish.  Try out different lines with it if you can, then take it fishing.  If it sings the line out like poetry as smooth as twenty year Scotch, it’s priceless for fishing and that is it’s inspired destiny. Don’t incarcerate it. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

I’ve got one of these guys.  There more valuable as a fishing tool, albeit a very heavy one, than they are collectible.  Interestingly the South Bend company was started by Wes Jordan (later of Orvis fame) though the rods produced were mediocre at best.  Still, I fish mine a couple of times a year for half a day or so (really a heavy rod).  I’d say go fish it!                                                                      Dan

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All of the Zern titles are long out-of-print except for "Hunting & Fishing from A to Zern" which contains selctions from all of his works.  I have copies of most of the early Zern titles if anyone is interested.  Just e-mail me the title you want and I will provide a quote.

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Ed’s best have been compiled into a single volume entitled, "Hunting and Fishing From A to Zern." Check your local tackleshops, or ask at your nearest bookstore. JL 8-Wt Editor

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Ed Zern wrote a number of humorous books on fishing and fly fishing.  Some examples – - To Hell With Fishing – - How To Tell Fish From Fishermen – - Are Fishermen People – -and several others in a similiar vein. He was I believe, a member of the Anglers Club of New York – -a hot bed of fly fishing fanatics. He also edited a book on Zane Grey’s Fishing stories entitled Zane Grey’s Adventures in Angling – -  very hard to find. If you are looking for any of his fishing books, let me know. jim edgar

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: Years ago, I picked up a copy of small book entitled "To Hell with : Fishing".  A cooperative effort by Zern and a cartoonist named Webster. : It is one of my prize possesions, and I am fairly certain that they : did another version called "To Hell with Hunting".  Still looking for : that one. I’ve only seen extracts from To Hell with Fishing; they are very funny indeed, especially the one about thinking like a fish. Is it still in print? Nigel — Sussex University, England

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: Years ago, I picked up a copy of small book entitled "To Hell with : Fishing".  A cooperative effort by Zern and a cartoonist named Webster. : It is one of my prize possesions, and I am fairly certain that they : did another version called "To Hell with Hunting".  Still looking for : that one. I’ve only seen extracts from To Hell with Fishing; they are very funny indeed, especially the one about thinking like a fish. Is it still in print?

I would call Gene at Western Sport Shop in California — 415-456-5454. I’ve seen several copies of both books, (and others by EZ) but it’s the only shop (or bookstore) I’ve ever seen them in. tight lines –j

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: Years ago, I picked up a copy of small book entitled "To Hell with : Fishing".  A cooperative effort by Zern and a cartoonist named Webster. I’ve only seen extracts from To Hell with Fishing; they are very funny indeed, especially the one about thinking like a fish. Is it still in print?

I don’t think so.  I have an old copy, and I wouldn’t part with it if you offered ne an Orvis Jeep.  Unless it had the optional CD stereo package… ATB

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IMHO Ed was the best hunting and fishing writer of his day.  He did die recently and the only book of his that is in print is "Hunting and Fishing from A to Zern"  In it he tells many terrific stories as well as some good food for thought.  When people ask me why I hunt I have them read the article "I am a Hunter" from this book.

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I understand that Ed Zern was a famous flyfishing author in the 1940’s. Does any one have any information about him.Z Z

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IMHO Ed was the best hunting and fishing writer of his day.  He did die recently and the only book of his that is in print is "Hunting and Fishing from A to Zern"  In it he tells many terrific stories as well as some good food for thought.  When people ask me why I hunt I have them read the article "I am a Hunter" from this book.

Years ago, I picked up a copy of small book entitled "To Hell with Fishing".  A cooperative effort by Zern and a cartoonist named Webster. It is one of my prize possesions, and I am fairly certain that they did another version called "To Hell with Hunting".  Still looking for that one. rfb

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    Ed Zern was with Field and Stream for many years. He died last year, I think. I’ve seen a couple of his books, but cannot remember the titles. Check out his columns on the last page of F&S in your local library; many most of them are very funny.

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