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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Norfork River Resort in Salesville, AR. Very nice, new cabins. Actually on the Norfork River, a tributary of the White, approximately 1 mile from the confluence. http://www.arkansas.com/attractions/attr_detail/r/Ozarks/id/90359/lr/…

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Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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I understand . . . LOL  . . . It looks like the first Sat I will be able to get away is going to be the 23rd.  . . . . wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday  for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice  cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can  someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on  the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Check out http://www.mtnhome.net/brf/ Dale Fulton owns a fine fly shop in Mountain Home, AR, has access to guides, and has cabins on the river.  Also see http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ I have no direct relationship with Dale, other than I’ve shopped there, stayed in his lodge, and generally endorse him as a fine guy. Best, John. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form.

  Ah, sorry ’bout that.   Steve

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You didn’t stick around long enough.      We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?      Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

  And damn good booze and food it was!  Even better than the other 20 times I sponged off you. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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How was the show?

  I thought it was a great show.  A little bigger this year which made it less crowded.  The crowd was thinner on Sunday.  My favorite part is the "Destination Theaters".  I saw some slides of some really neat country in CO and MT.  Nothing about Wyoming, though.  You know—not much to say about the fishing in this lousy state.   The only downside was having to follow Wilson around the booths with a mop. All that drooling— Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show? Willi

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You didn’t stick around long enough.

     We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?

     Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show. Willi

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight….

This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop.

   Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

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Charlie Wilson protests:    Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

You didn’t stick around long enough. I finally showed up on Sunday afternoon, complete with flannel cap and baseball shirt, or something similar.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,…

I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight. My dries go straight from the vise (or the raffle) into the hydrostop, then into the storage box after they dry. About the only thing that defeats the stuff is fish slime, and a quick shake in dry floatant crystals will take care of that. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  

It’s off the market in the US, something about cancer risk. I’ll keep an eye out for it the next time I’m out of the country and bring some back. Useful stuff. — Charlie…

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?   That was taken off the market too.

Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  However, apparently there is some new "Super ScotchGuard" on the horizon or already out there, but I haven’t come across it yet. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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says… Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Have you tried ScotchGuard?  Spray (yeah – I know) on the flies when they are tied or before the trip.  They float like crazy. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?  

That was taken off the market too. — Charlie…

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Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form.

Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,

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I just use Gink. Whatever you think about the man the stuff works fine for me. Don’t try to get me into an argument or anything.  The guy asked a question, I answered it.  Imagine that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

We certainly know who doesn’t….

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? —

Orvis. Dave LaCourse

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — Orvis. Dave LaCourse

_____ Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh! — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

Check out Stormy Seas at http://www.stormyseas.com/vests.html These folks make awesome products.  Read the history of this company– the founder went overboard into the Bering Sea in November.  He survived (a small miracle) and founded this company so that more could also survive similar situations.  LOTS of North Pacific commercial fishermen wear Stormy Seas jackets. The vests and jackets have a bladder inside that is inflated by pulling on a chest patch that is attached to a CO2 cartridge.  The benefit is a vest or jacket that is not bulky but has a built in life vest.  There is also a fill tube that can be used to inflate the vest by mouth. BTW, these make for a great joke at the bar…  I’ve seen ‘green’ fishermen have their cord yanked and their jacket explode into a life vest.  The response never fails to amuse. Tom no longer working at sea Before you buy.

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Hey *hugs* How is everything going? Adri

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Hey

hey yourself!, I was beginning to wonder where you went to. *hugs*

{{{adri}}} How is everything going?

up, down, down, down, up a little, eh….etc, etc, etc. the baby is gonna kick through my ribcage he’s so active in there. the gestational diabetes seems to be under control. and i’m hanging in there. take care of yourself, dear adri mair+1boy

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you are beautiful thank you, mb. mair, semi-here

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Oh where oh where has our little Mair gone oh where oh where could she be? I miss her, I love her I want her back home in ASD with us so happily…… Mary Beth, ok, I know it’s corny but I’m trying….

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: Oh where oh where has our little Mair gone : oh where oh where could she be? : I miss her, I love her I want her back home : in ASD with us so happily…… : : Mary Beth, : ok, I know it’s corny but I’m trying…. Could be worse: Mair, get yer ass back here.                 Wordsworthless

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h, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? :right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* I was being polite and didn’t want to hurt your feelings by not laughing at your jokes ‘poor love’. :you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i :hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   Hahahaha I forgot about that – oops! : I wonder if Tiger is still awake? Bog Off!!!! – my rib still hurts because of you. : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’

:gracias, senior obi-juan. I’m not Juan but my friend is (((seriously derranged loon)))

:be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! I am nice, I gods gift to nice, I’m nice concentrated, I’m nice incarnate. Anyway what the hell is a x3%^&$#% when it’s at home? : oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D Anyone ever tell you you’re a filbert? : {{quentincrispwannabe}} Ooo look at the dust in here! :mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane Yeah – right – pish!!!!! hahahahahahahahah Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits :Me? Deranged???? nevah! Er….excuse me but who was it that phoned me at 1.30 in the morning just to call me Kipper? Who was it who went on about the ‘Feta Magazine’ with August’s center spread being a slice of Belgium feta recumbent on a plate drizzled with olive oil? Who was it doing a wonderful impression of their future-born being born with a Dick Van Dyke come bad cockney accent? Was it me? Noooooooo.

oh, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   : btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk You say the sweetest things <blush!

I wonder if Tiger is still awake? : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’

gracias, senior obi-juan. : {{{kipper}}} (((seriously derranged loon)))

be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D {{quentincrispwannabe}} mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits Hahahahahaha Michael

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits

Me? Deranged???? nevah! btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk Obi-Juan, help me!   {{{kipper}}} mair+1boy

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You are seriously deranged and I love you to bits

:Me? Deranged???? nevah! Er….excuse me but who was it that phoned me at 1.30 in the morning just to call me Kipper? Who was it who went on about the ‘Feta Magazine’ with August’s center spread being a slice of Belgium feta recumbent on a plate drizzled with olive oil? Who was it doing a wonderful impression of their future-born being born with a Dick Van Dyke come bad cockney accent? Was it me? Noooooooo. : btw, you’re even cuddly in this post  <smirk You say the sweetest things <blush! : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’ : {{{kipper}}} (((seriously derranged loon))) : mair+1boy Michael+hernia

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h, oh, and you *you* had no part at all in this conversation, eh? :right right right.  you just sat there silently.  I think *not* I was being polite and didn’t want to hurt your feelings by not laughing at your jokes ‘poor love’.

ppppbbbbbbttttttt! excuse me, I’ve got to put my wellingtons on it’s getting so deep in here. :you with dreams of feta laying on a tea towel and all. (why am i :hungry?)  you who murder squeeky toys with lawn mowers.   Hahahaha I forgot about that – oops!

no wonder barney eats turkey!  at least you keep him supplied with hedgies (or are you chewing those up too?) : I wonder if Tiger is still awake? Bog Off!!!! – my rib still hurts because of you.

Kipper, would you like to go fishing with me today? : Obi-Juan, help me! Cee’ P30 and Artoue D2 are on their way – Juanita’ :gracias, senior obi-juan. I’m not Juan but my friend is

and you say *i’m* deranged?  pot..kettle…black! (((seriously derranged loon))) :be nice or i’ll start rambling on about what a x3%^&$#% you are! I am nice, I gods gift to nice, I’m nice concentrated, I’m nice incarnate. Anyway what the hell is a x3%^&$#% when it’s at home?

nice concentrate!  Just add 2 quarts of water for a delicious, refreshing breakfast beverage that all the astronauts on mir will be drinking instead of tang! : oh, and he’s spanish, you know. that explains the accent.  :-D Anyone ever tell you you’re a filbert?

nuh uhn.  i’m a pistachio. : {{quentincrispwannabe}} Ooo look at the dust in here!

roflmao. :mair+1boy, completely and utterly sane Yeah – right – pish!!!!! hahahahahahahahah

sniff, sniff. picking on a poor defenseless pregnant woman.  for shame.  why oi oughtta tweek yoir nose. Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

smooches, kipper.  :) mair+1boy, out of feta

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:excuse me, I’ve got to put my wellingtons on it’s getting so deep in :here. For one moment I thought you were gonna go public on the George Michael joke I told you. Moo!! :Kipper, would you like to go fishing with me today? Kipper’s gonna fly across to the US to poke a certain young woman in the eye with a plastic daffodil in a minute : sniff, sniff. picking on a poor defenseless pregnant woman.  for : shame.  why oi oughtta tweek yoir nose. Hahahahahahaha you idiot Michael or as his friends get to call him – Michael.

: smooches, kipper.  :) You shouldn’t smooch kippers, you’ll get a fishy breath. :mair+1boy, out of feta Michael + Stomach, out of stretch.

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Thanks.

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For a prognosis of the upcoming flyangling season in the Tahoe-Truckee area I’ve just posted a new report.  During the season it will provide reliable info for those planning a flyfishing trip to the North Tahoe area. Frank R. Pisciotta Thy Rod & Staff 530.587.7333 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe    530-541-8208 They also have a web site     www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe         530-541-8208 They also have a web site          www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use.

Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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It was interesting to see the view that a small rod was best for small streams went unchallenged.  Most of my regular fly fishing is carried out on brooks that an athlete could jump over.  I own rods as short as 7 foot but rarely fish with any rod shorter than 8 foot 6 inches.  In fact prefer a 9 foot rod.  The extra length has been vital many times to push fish away from the near bank and all the tree roots and other hazards.  Casting is easier with the longer rod especially if it is important to keep back from the water’s edge.  Some times a full cast can be avoided with the longer rod by catapulting the fly from the fingers after bending the rod back like a ballista by pulling the line.  Of course it is possible to manage with a short rod but I don’t think it is actually better to fish with. richard

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It was interesting to see the view that a small rod was best for small streams went unchallenged.  Most of my regular fly fishing is carried out

I think the main thing is to have a rod "soft" enough to handle short lines.  This is more important than length of the rod.  I have a very soft 7 and 8 foot, and both work on very small streams, while a stiff Lommis 8 foot rod is useless (in a confined area). Just my .02 worth. PMH

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We are a couple of fly tyers and would like the pattern and instructions for tying the egg and eye pattern.

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We are a couple of fly tyers and would like the pattern and instructions for tying the egg and eye pattern.

Simple: hook:   #8-#12 3xl body;    silver mylar tinsel thorax (egg sack) hot orange chenille wing: rolled segment of mallard flank eye: white with black dot. Ralph H

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We are a couple of fly tyers and would like the pattern and instructions for tying the egg and eye pattern.

did you already see the globug photos in alt.binaries.pictures.fishing ??? Still have questions ? TimW

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Go buy a jar of "Balls-O-Fire" and copy exactly.  You can sometimes find eyes in cat food, these are also helpful models.  Not being a tyer, maybe you should ignore this advice…JE

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Pattern: Hook: size 10-12 egg style(very short shank); longer shank if 2 eggs are           desired Thread: 6/0 orange Body:Orange cactus or regular chenele in 1 ball or if 2 eggs are desired, then 2         balls Hackle(optional):white soft hen at front; or front, middle, and rear if you have 2 or eggs For 2 eggs: Place hook in vice and do all the things you do to get a fly started. With thread attached, tie in a soft, white, hen hackleand meke 2 or 3 turns with it and clip after tieing off. Tie in orange chenele and make a 1/4 inch in diameter ball.  Tie in and make 2 more wraps with your hackle.Tie off and clip. Make another ball and hackle at the front. Whip finish. For 1 egg: Eliminate the rear ball of chenele and the rear two hackles and use shorter hooks. Hope it helps

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Look guys the egg and I is a standard BC alevin pattern that been around for about 40 years! I KNOW that’s what the original poster was looking for because it was posted via Mindlink a BC ISP! So stop with the glo-bug instructions alright! Hook: size 10-12 egg style(very short shank); longer shank if 2 eggs are   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –        desired Thread: 6/0 orange Body:Orange cactus or regular chenele in 1 ball or if 2 eggs are desired, then 2         balls Hackle(optional):white soft hen at front; or front, middle, and rear if you have 2 or eggs For 2 eggs: Place hook in vice and do all the things you do to get a fly started. With thread attached, tie in a soft, white, hen hackleand meke 2 or 3 turns with it and clip after tieing off. Tie in orange chenele and make a 1/4 inch in diameter ball.  Tie in and make 2 more wraps with your hackle.Tie off and clip. Make another ball and hackle at the front. Whip finish. For 1 egg: Eliminate the rear ball of chenele and the rear two hackles and use shorter hooks. Hope it helps

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

Malcolm, Shooting heads are great for some applications where you want long distance casts to be performed easily. They are less adequate for other applications where you want for instance line control (mending long lines). Meaning shooting heads are mostly used for stillwater and saltwater where distance is essential. To get the most of your outfit, using a stripping basket helps managing the loose line, but takes some time to learn using. I guess you will use it for overhead casting with a single handed rod (shooting heads and two handed rods is something quite different). You can build your shooting heads out of a DT line. If you have, say, a #6-7 rod, the optimum is likely to be about 11 meters shooting head #7. The important thing is to load the rod with the optimum *weight*. It means you will need perhaps more, perhaps less than those 11 meters, depending on the actual weight of the line (there are tolerances in the manufacturing) and the actual rod class. Some people use a higher line class, shortening the head to perhaps 9 meters which gives even longer casts but sacrificing line control even more. Running line: Buy the best running line you can afford (cheap in comparison to WF line). There are 3 basic kind of running lines. -Dacron with a coating similar to floating lines. Actually a level floating line. Nicest to hold. -Braided nylon. Compromise. -Flat monofil. Longer casts, won’t tangle but not so nice to hold. DO NOT use regular monofil! It will tangle. Splice a loop on the end of the runninging line. Fill the reel with as much as you expect to be able to cast. 20 meters running line will do it. 30 meters if you are a very skilled caster. Shooting head: You don’t have to buy the best DT line available, as much of the casting performance is due to the running line properties. To find out the optimum weight for your rod, some testing is needed. 1. Cut the DT into two. Gives you two shooting heads, one spare or as a gift to a friend. 2. Attach the running line and the shooting head temporarily, e.g. with loop connectors. 3. Try the outfit in the backyard or on a lawn. Cut down the shooting head gradually until you get optimum performance. (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. 4. When you have found out the optimum weight, splice a loop on the shooting head. 5. Go fishing and check it works OK in practical situations. 6. Use a scale to determine the exact weight of the shooting head, this is useful information when you design your next shooting head (for the same rod). NOTE: Make sure the loops that connect the running line and shooting head run smooth trough the rod guides! The smoothest connection is to sew the lines together, in which case you either need one spool per line or to make the loop connection at the backing. NOTE: To gain distance and be able to turn over larger flies, you may consider shortening the tip of the shooting head. The price is sacrificing presentation, but for windy conditions, this is worth considering. Contact me if you need more info. Good Luck Tord

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I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance.

Scientific Anglers used to ( and likely still do) make a selection of shooting heads that should meet your needs. Buying the heads will be cheaper than making your own. If you are looking for versatility try these trick. Cut the front 10 feet off a WF floating line. Serve a braided mono loop in the end of line. Use 5 to 10 foot sections of sinking line of varying sink rates that match the weight of the main line. Serve loops into the ends of these. Do the same with the floating section removed from the line so you can also switch back to a floating tip. You’ve now got a mutliple tip line that allows quick changes of sink rate. It won’t cast as far as a ST line but you didn’t indcate that was the problem. I’ve been using one of these ‘exchangable’ sink tips lately and am pleased with the casting performance. Some fly shops will set the line up for you and provide a selection of sink tips. Make some enquiries. Ralph H

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I think this guy really did all his home work. Very interesting and accurate info. Thanks for sharing this with all on the group.

….and "thank you" from me, also!  Very helpful info. Wayne — Gallery W http://www.magiccarpet.com/~waynem/G_Over.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. <snip It’s interesting how things can go full circle.  I’ve seen advertisements in the non-Fly Fishing world for short, 2-3 feet lengths of "weighted casting line" (read  Shooting Head)  which allow spin fishermen to "cast" flies.  When you think of it, a spool would beat the heck out of a stripping basket for holding "running" line. Just some thoughts. Rick

I guess the "weighted casting line" must have a pretty high density. Must be lead core to have 2-3 feet heavy enough to be cast with a spinning rod… Your suggestion using a spool would imply a pretty large reel, since the shooting head (some 11 meters long) must fit too on the spool. Still, you need to learn to cast a fly line, although this is theoretically feasible with a large capacity spinning reel attached to your fly rod. (I guess you are not thinking about using a casting reel for this purpose…). The point in using a stripping basket is managing 20 meters or more of running line while wading in non-calm water (breaking waves, current) that will drag the line or tangle it. Or, fishing from a boat, to avoid the line tangling in the numerous items that usually are found on deck. Or to prevent the line from getting caught by strong winds… /Tord

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<snip (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go.

<snip It’s interesting how things can go full circle.  I’ve seen advertisements in the non-Fly Fishing world for short, 2-3 feet lengths of "weighted casting line" (read  Shooting Head)  which allow spin fishermen to "cast" flies.  When you think of it, a spool would beat the heck out of a stripping basket for holding "running" line. Just some thoughts. Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in beginnging to use shooting head lines as it seems they would give me a great deal more versatility without having to buy multiple additional spools to hold different types of lines. Can anyone give me a good source for this type of line or is it as I suspect from not seeing them advertised much that I need to build them myself. If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to learn how to build them? Thanks in advance. Malcolm, Shooting heads are great for some applications where you want long distance casts to be performed easily. They are less adequate for other applications where you want for instance line control (mending long lines). Meaning shooting heads are mostly used for stillwater and saltwater where distance is essential. To get the most of your outfit, using a stripping basket helps managing the loose line, but takes some time to learn using. I guess you will use it for overhead casting with a single handed rod (shooting heads and two handed rods is something quite different). You can build your shooting heads out of a DT line. If you have, say, a #6-7 rod, the optimum is likely to be about 11 meters shooting head #7. The important thing is to load the rod with the optimum *weight*. It means you will need perhaps more, perhaps less than those 11 meters, depending on the actual weight of the line (there are tolerances in the manufacturing) and the actual rod class. Some people use a higher line class, shortening the head to perhaps 9 meters which gives even longer casts but sacrificing line control even more. Running line: Buy the best running line you can afford (cheap in comparison to WF line). There are 3 basic kind of running lines. -Dacron with a coating similar to floating lines. Actually a level floating line. Nicest to hold. -Braided nylon. Compromise. -Flat monofil. Longer casts, won’t tangle but not so nice to hold. DO NOT use regular monofil! It will tangle. Splice a loop on the end of the runninging line. Fill the reel with as much as you expect to be able to cast. 20 meters running line will do it. 30 meters if you are a very skilled caster. Shooting head: You don’t have to buy the best DT line available, as much of the casting performance is due to the running line properties. To find out the optimum weight for your rod, some testing is needed. 1. Cut the DT into two. Gives you two shooting heads, one spare or as a gift to a friend. 2. Attach the running line and the shooting head temporarily, e.g. with loop connectors. 3. Try the outfit in the backyard or on a lawn. Cut down the shooting head gradually until you get optimum performance. (When casting a shooting head, you don’t really shoot line as with a WF, instead you only have the shooting head and a few inches of shooting line outside the rod tip when letting the line go. 4. When you have found out the optimum weight, splice a loop on the shooting head. 5. Go fishing and check it works OK in practical situations. 6. Use a scale to determine the exact weight of the shooting head, this is useful information when you design your next shooting head (for the same rod). NOTE: Make sure the loops that connect the running line and shooting head run smooth trough the rod guides! The smoothest connection is to sew the lines together, in which case you either need one spool per line or to make the loop connection at the backing. NOTE: To gain distance and be able to turn over larger flies, you may consider shortening the tip of the shooting head. The price is sacrificing presentation, but for windy conditions, this is worth considering. Contact me if you need more info. Good Luck Tord

I think this guy really did all his home work. Very interesting and accurate info. Thanks for sharing this with all on the group. It sounds like you are somewhere in Europe? I agree that shooting heads are great in the right situation, but not all the time. I’m saving this one. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Want information on good trails to mountain lakes with decent fishing in N. Calif  or S. Oregon. (Prefer lakes to rivers/creeks.) Would like to hike in about 5 not-to-strenuous mile, set up camp on a lake and day-hike 1-2 miles to other lakes nearby over period of week in early-mid September. Elevation for most of trip, particularly where camping, needs to be no more than 8,500 because one of group gets atlitude sickness. Any suggestions?

The northern coastal ranges of California (Klamaths, Trinity Alps, etc.) have a lot of good lakes.  The elevations are all fairly low, fish are generally bigger than Sierra because of longer growing season.  I know a few lakes with 20+ inch brown trout (but they will remain unnamed). Weather should still be pretty good there in mid-September.  

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In the early 60’s I spent time at Cliff Lake and Lower Wright Lake in the Marble Mountain wilderness.  We were packed in (I was 9 and 10 at the times) and spent two weeks at each lake.  Both are reasonably close to trailheads and provide good jumping off spots to other lakes.   My most memorable fishing experinece occured at Lower Wright Lake.  I was first down the trail, flyrod in hand, already rigged, ready to cast.  I false casted a number of times to get 30 or so feet of line out and dropped the fly onto the lake.  The next thing I knew my rod was bent, the line was being pulled out of the reel, and the giant trout was headed for some brush 100′ away.  I paniced, pulled back on the rod to stop his headlong flight, and the leader snapped.  Luckily the rest of the family was strung out on the trail descending to the lake so my story about "the one that got away" has a viable place in our family myth structure.   Another beautiful, accessible area is the Lakes Basin Area behind Sierra Buttes off Hwy 49 on Gold Lake Road.  It’s more crowded because the road is closer to the backcountry.  Another pretty area is one bounded by Bowman Lake on the north and Grouse Ridge road on the south off of HWY 20 accessed from Interstate 80 at Emigrant Gap.  Hope this helps.  Have fun.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Want information on good trails to mountain lakes with decent fishing in N. Calif  or S. Oregon. (Prefer lakes to rivers/creeks.) Would like to

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Want information on good trails to mountain lakes with decent fishing in N. Calif  or S. Oregon. (Prefer lakes to rivers/creeks.) Would like to hike in about 5 not-to-strenuous mile, set up camp on a lake and day-hike 1-2 miles to other lakes nearby over period of week in early-mid September. Elevation for most of trip, particularly where camping, needs to be no more than 8,500 because one of group gets atlitude sickness. Any suggestions?

I used to live up in Mammoth Lakes and worked at a place on the June Lake loop.  There are several good lakes for fishing on the June Lake loop – June Lake, Gull Lake, Silver Lake, Grant lake.  Also there are some lakes you can hike to from Silver Lake.  The trailhead is near Silver Lake resort – ask at the store.  Gem Lake is easily reached within a few hours and the fishing is supposed to be good.  I’m not sure about the altitude – I think Silver Lake is at 7000 feet. Good luck!

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Want information on good trails to mountain lakes with decent fishing in N. Calif  or S. Oregon. (Prefer lakes to rivers/creeks.) I used to live up in Mammoth Lakes and worked at a place on the June Lake loop.  There are several good lakes for fishing on the June Lake loop

Is Mammoth lakes in Northern California?  I always thought of this as Central CA.

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(Jwoodling1) writes: Is Mammoth lakes in Northern California?  I always thought of this as Central CA.

If you have a state road map, locate Madera.  It’s latitude is supposed to be half the state’s latitude.  ML is just slightly North, but owing to the fact that large portions of the Owens Valley and the areas around ML (Get the Inyo National Forest map) are owned by Los Angeles DWP (Dept. of Water and Power) and the prominence of Mammoth as LA as a destination ski area, Mammoth might in semantic principle be considered a part of LA. Central?  sure. When people bring up (it’s an FAQ on the net) the issue of dividing the State (N-S, N-C-S), my proposal is upper and lower:  Lower is all areas below 8K ft., and I claim all areas above 8k ft. I would not worry about it.  It’s just an adjective.

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| Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If | you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle | shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page | look-up). I don’t personally know guides in Williamsport, but I know of two fly shops: The Pennsylvania Outdoor Warehouse, and E. Hille Angling Supplies. I’m sure one/both of them would be able to help, Fred P.S. Almost forgot; Barry and Cathy Beck have "Beckies Angling Supplies"      in nearby Benton, PA. on the banks of Fishing Creek. They’re both      world-renouned anglers, and I believe they provide a guide service      thru the shop. Yes, they would definitely be the folks to contact      in the Williamsport area… —         Fred L. Templin

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I am going to Williamsport, PA on 4/29 – 5/1 to work.  My wife is coming along and wants to do some fly fishing on Sat (4/30).  As it’s her birthday, I want to get her a guided trip. Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page look-up).  I would call my contact for the job, except he lives too far from Williamsport. Thanks for any assistance.   Jim Impara ps We are going to the Keys (Marathon — staying at Rainbow Bend Resort) next week.  Also connected with a work trip.  We have booked the boat Pursuit (Capt Frank Waters) for a 1/2 day trip.  Hope the Mahi Mahi are in.  We will do some close in fishing (around bridges and such) during the rest of the week.  If we have a good catch, I’ll post a note.

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