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Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried. Just to clear this up for those of you who don’t know or refuse to see it. Read the first two posts of the thread: Re. WARNING: CLEANING A 555 FLY LINE

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2F0528D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you do not understand why Walt is upset, then you will never understand what propriety is, what good manners are, or the basic tenets of civility. Dave

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?! I didn’t put the bullet in the vise, and you stop talking about my grandma! (For anyone who remembers Bill Cosby’s classic first comedy album.)

Nope.  Don’t remember that one.  Before my time. Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried. gg

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Well, my grandma (my mom’s mom) was quite a fisherman (oops, I guess that would be fisherwoman…) – she took me fishing all the time when I was a wee lad. Not only could she catch fish, she always had the amazing ability to stifle even the most obnoxious bullshitter. She was sacred indeed …

Grandma Lottie (on my mother’s side) was also one of those people whose memory evokes many stories.   She grew up on Maryland’s Eastern Shore and eloped with Clarence when she was sixteen, beginning what had to have been a hard life of farming, raising a passel of kids (all girls but one), and raising chickens. From my earliest childhood memories, they raised chickens in two long houses behind the house.   Trips to the farm almost always included dinners of fried chicken (and still the best dumplings in memory).   We never had any illusions of where the food came from; grandpop chopped off the heads right there in the dirt lane, and that night’s dinner would flop around the yard for a few strange minutes before being carried into the kitchen.   What’s for dinner?  Chicken. It was a rare ocasion that Grandmom left the farm to come to Baltimore; but when she came, we tried to show her "the big city".   We took her to one of the better restaurants in town, where there were nearly a hundred menu items; pork, veal, beef in the meat entrees; shrimp, scallops, fresh fish, under the seafood heading; a dozen different sausages (it was a German family restaurant).   After her sheltered existance on the farm, we had hoped to offer up a variety of tastes.   Instead, she tucked her napkin under her chin & ordered – fried chicken.  :-) Joe F.

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my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love. she dressed and healed my opa’s wounds following the kaisers war. she collected twigs in the forest during the day so that opa, my father, and my uncles, horst and walter, would have warmth at night. she was the force that directed the family to america in 1922, leaving the depressed fatherland for a better dream….. and a better life for her three sons. she guided the winter family through ellis island with her meager english….. and further guided the family to their new home in cleveland, ohio. she toiled for a pittance in cleveland factories whilst opa searched for decent work. opa eventually found work in an oldsmobile plant, and the family began to have the graces of a better life. oma nearly died of heartbreak, when in the early 30’s, my uncle walter was fatally injured when he slipped and fell….. broke his neck training on the rings…. gymnastics. i, the first born, am named by my father in honor and memory of him. oma loved baseball. in 1954, being a long time indians fan, she had a ball signed by the world series indians. she sent it to father to be given to me as a gift…. the year i was born. i still have that baseball…. it means so much to me. when opa retired from oldsmobile, he and oma retired to clearwater, florida. i have wonderful memories of visiting with them as a child……. playing on the beach… picking and eating fresh oranges and grapefruits in the backyard. eating fresh baked buttercougan. opa died of old age in the early 60’s and my father moved oma to miami to be with us. oma passed away shortly thereafter….. i’ll never forget the tears passing from my father’s swollen eyes….. never. so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Sir, in the finest of Southern tradition, may I offer to be your Second? — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love. she dressed and healed my opa’s wounds following the kaisers war. she collected twigs in the forest during the day so that opa, my father, and my uncles, horst and walter, would have warmth at night. she was the force that directed the family to america in 1922, leaving the depressed fatherland for a better dream….. and a better life for her three sons. she guided the winter family through ellis island with her meager english….. and further guided the family to their new home in cleveland, ohio. she toiled for a pittance in cleveland factories whilst opa searched for decent work. opa eventually found work in an oldsmobile plant, and the family began to have the graces of a better life. oma nearly died of heartbreak, when in the early 30’s, my uncle walter was fatally injured when he slipped and fell….. broke his neck training on the rings…. gymnastics. i, the first born, am named by my father in honor and memory of him. oma loved baseball. in 1954, being a long time indians fan, she had a ball signed by the world series indians. she sent it to father to be given to me as a gift…. the year i was born. i still have that baseball…. it means so much to me. when opa retired from oldsmobile, he and oma retired to clearwater, florida. i have wonderful memories of visiting with them as a child……. playing on the beach… picking and eating fresh oranges and grapefruits in the backyard. eating fresh baked buttercougan. opa died of old age in the early 60’s and my father moved oma to miami to be with us. oma passed away shortly thereafter….. i’ll never forget the tears passing from my father’s swollen eyes….. never. so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried.

Just to clear this up for those of you who don’t know or refuse to see it. Read the first two posts of the thread: Re. WARNING: CLEANING A 555 FLY LINE If you do not understand why Walt is upset, then you will never understand what propriety is, what good manners are, or the basic tenets of civility.   Dave

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She sounds like a great woman! Funny, my Grandma married a Clarence also… he was a wonderful man who also loved fishing, and did alot of hunting. We had many a dinner of venison, wild pheasant, quail, rabbit and squirrel… just to name a few. Grandma was somewhat diversified in her cooking, as long as she had her large, black, cast iron skillet with the renderings of last night’s meal in it. Fresh vegetables were a mainstay, which included her kick-ass dandelion greens. Her and I would go "out in the country" for a ride to collect the greens, then stop at the local farmer’s stand to get whatever veggie we needed – I usually talked her into corn. The day before we planned on going fishing, she would take me to the county dump to stock up on red worms. That place always had the healthiest looking red worms around, and the price was right… if you could stand the smell. I really miss those days… — SaltyWaders PS… Grandma’s sister-inlaw was named Lottie – another great woman who loved fishing!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grandma Lottie (on my mother’s side) was also one of those people whose memory evokes many stories.   She grew up on Maryland’s Eastern Shore and eloped with Clarence when she was sixteen, beginning what had to have been a hard life of farming, raising a passel of kids (all girls but one), and raising chickens. From my earliest childhood memories, they raised chickens in two long houses behind the house.   Trips to the farm almost always included dinners of fried chicken (and still the best dumplings in memory).   We never had any illusions of where the food came from; grandpop chopped off the heads right there in the dirt lane, and that night’s dinner would flop around the yard for a few strange minutes before being carried into the kitchen.   What’s for dinner?  Chicken. It was a rare ocasion that Grandmom left the farm to come to Baltimore; but when she came, we tried to show her "the big city".   We took her to one of the better restaurants in town, where there were nearly a hundred menu items; pork, veal, beef in the meat entrees; shrimp, scallops, fresh fish, under the seafood heading; a dozen different sausages (it was a German family restaurant).   After her sheltered existance on the farm, we had hoped to offer up a variety of tastes.   Instead, she tucked her napkin under her chin & ordered – fried chicken.  :-)

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW!

Heck, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger Salty.  I didn’t catch the whole flame either! George

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?!

I didn’t put the bullet in the vise, and you stop talking about my grandma! (For anyone who remembers Bill Cosby’s classic first comedy album.) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Walt Winter writes: I will be there, Walt, waiting for the village idiot to "bitch slap" me like he promised.  You hold my jacket and I’ll hold your’s.  Shouldn’t take too long….. if he shows, that is.  

Just a note, I won’t be a wearing a jacket in case some dumb fucker tries to start shit around my campfire.  You guys can go about 22.455861 feet from my campfire and do whatever the hell you want though. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?! What the hell happened here?! I guess I am probably better off not knowing and should keep my nose out of this… but is the topic here still fly fishing? I hope so… I really like this place. BTW, family folk are sacred in my book… — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…" [snip some great family memories...] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Salty Waders writes: BTW, family folk are sacred in my book…

And, they are sacred to all but one. Dave

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Too bad for those who choose to belittle someone’s folks. Well, my grandma (my mom’s mom) was quite a fisherman (oops, I guess that would be fisherwoman…) – she took me fishing all the time when I was a wee lad. Not only could she catch fish, she always had the amazing ability to stifle even the most obnoxious bullshitter. She was sacred indeed … — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salty Waders writes: BTW, family folk are sacred in my book… And, they are sacred to all but one. Dave

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my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love.

<snipped really good read The way I see it, anyone can insult me all they want; it’s like water off a duck’s back. When they start insulting family, it’s a different matter – and the story here is the best example why. No one has the right to trample on these kinds of memories. I’m with ya, Walt. FWIW, Tim

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Walt Winter writes:

<warm memories snipped for brevity hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams,

I will be there, Walt, waiting for the village idiot to "bitch slap" me like he promised.  You hold my jacket and I’ll hold your’s.  Shouldn’t take too long….. if he shows, that is.   Dave

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What Winter:  (Since you can’t spell my name correctly . . .) I really don’t care about your family history right now but when you think you can go around and insult me or others with impunity, you’re sure fire crazy! You’re memory is about as far as your next step.  Next time you insult someone, why don’t you keep the thread with the insult you find offending with your story?  That way, everything stays in sync.  Frankly, I don’t have the slightest idea what the hell you’re talking about.  Whatever I said, you probably deserved it.  Leave your family out of it. George Gehrke

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Tell you what Walter.  Just come to the Western Conclave.  I know  you won’t come because unless someone else will pay your way.  You can’t afford much more than crossing the county line once every five years and this is only if you can hitch hike. Walt?  You’re all mouth.  There isn’t a man in all of Roff that I fear. Respect is another word all together.  Just remember this Walt.  Don’t start this nonsense.  I won’t start any fight with you or anyone else but I’ll sure enough finish it.  You can put me in the hospital and when I get out I’ll come after you again and again until the day I die.  Understand?  You don’t know what a nightmare is all about.  Don’t fuck with me and don’t threaten me or anyone else here in the West. Now then, that said . . . being a gentleman is an entirely different matter for you.  You don’t see me going out of my way insulting you, or Tom Brown, or Wayne Harrison, or Zimmerman, or Jeff Miller, or anyone in North Carolina,  but you did that to me.   I don’t do that.  It is YOU who has the loose mouth.  Go back and see what you said before you start this crap? Walt?  Go fuck yourself. Gentleman George "not guilty" I just don’t think your grandma deserves you.

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Hi All, I just read a good article in the latest issue of  "Saltwater Flyfishing" magazine by veteran outdoor writer Bob Stearns. Bob says that 2 stroke outboard motor sales a slumping and 4 strokes will be taking over in many size categories. Keep this in mind when buying a new or used boat. — Bill Kiene

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Also the stated goal of the EPA is the eventual extinction of the two stroke in all recreational motors both on and off the water. This as stated by an EPA rep at my last ABATE meeting (motorcycles).    Bill P.

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Thanks Bill — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com Also the stated goal of the EPA is the eventual extinction of the two

stroke in all recreational motors both on and off the water. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This as stated by an EPA rep at my last ABATE meeting (motorcycles). Bill P.

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cool, hate 2 cycle anyways (for outboards) "converted" my little one for my 14ft alum boat few years ago to a B/S 4hp It starts like a charm, and goes longer on fuel. no pollutants in water any more sinse it is air cooled, not water cooled, I ve sealed the water vents up, never fails me, no mixing , dont even have to choke the thing… wish I could get it to be quiet a little more…any suggestion on muffler will be appreciated..

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Well, The bureaucrats might just do it, but they’ll be ripping my two stroke out of my fingers when the do.  In commercial, high stress environments, the four bangers have been less than impressive.  Boat motors for boats, car motors for cars.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I just read a good article in the latest issue of  "Saltwater Flyfishing" magazine by veteran outdoor writer Bob Stearns. Bob says that 2 stroke outboard motor sales a slumping and 4 strokes will be taking over in many size categories. Keep this in mind when buying a new or used boat. — Bill Kiene

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Well, The bureaucrats might just do it, but they’ll be ripping my two stroke out of my fingers when the do.  In commercial, high stress environments, the four bangers have been less than impressive.  Boat motors for boats, car motors for cars.

I agree wholeheartedly with you Pat!  I was out on a boat that was "powered" by a Honda 130.  I thought that the lightly loaded boat was hard starting in cold weather, slow coming up on plane and a whole lot slower than the boat should have been with a 130 hp outboard.  The new EFI and Direct Injection systems are almost as fuel efficient and environmentally friendly with reduced emissions as the 4 strokes, with all the benefits of the 2 strokes superior horsepower to weight ratio. — Steve OutdoorFrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods   http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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In San Francisco, some years back, a woman was arrested because she had a live hand grenade in her purse. There was a fishing line leading from her belt to the pin, so that if someone snatched her purse, it would shortly explode, killing the purse snatcher. While I do not feel too bad about the purse snatcher, as the police pointed out, there might be considerable carnage among innocent bystanders. I don’t remember what the legal outcome of the case was, probably an "illegal possession" charge. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to support an earlier statement… see men leave the privates alone…… Mike A Purse-Snatcher’s Worse Nightmare? ROME (Reuters) – Being caught and surrounded by an entire rugby team may just be one of a purse-snatcher’s worst nightmares. And yet, it happened for real to a man who snatched a woman’s purse in the northern Italian city of Bologna. The snatching happened close to a hotel where Serie A teams Benetton Treviso and Fly Flot Cavisano were about to hold a news conference. The pickpocket was spotted by two Benetton team members who ran after him, Italy’s Rugby Federation said in a statement. The two — Andrea Gritti and Massimiliano Perziano — are both full internationals. Lock forward Gritti is two meters tall and weighs an imposing 107 kg while winger Perziano is one of the quickest players in the country. The purse-snatcher, followed by the two players, sought refuge in a kindergarten, which was quickly surrounded by the whole Benetton team. The man was arrested a few minutes later by police. Benetton Treviso and Fly Flot Cavisano are due to play the decisive game for the Serie A championship title on Saturday. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. Copyright

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You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? If you fish dries with a hand-built leader, you’re probably using a Harvey leader formula. He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

Here in central PA we have a high regard for George.  I’m glad to hear he’s well thought of way out in Wyhoming, too. vince norris

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Here in central PA we have a high regard for George.  I’m glad to hear he’s well thought of way out in Wyhoming, too.

Who do Pennsylvanians hold in higher regard – Joe Humphreys or George Harvey?

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Since I was just skimming ROFF, it took me a while to realize that the G man was actually recounting an interaction with someone else named "George" when he posted the snippets included below. (snip) Primo stuff, George! I always suspected you referred to yourself in the third person .

You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? If you fish dries with a hand-built leader, you’re probably using a Harvey leader formula. He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more.

‘Twas only intended as a riff on a momentary misread of a G.G. post, Rusty. But, hey, if you’re volunteering to get me out more often — especially to a happenin’ bar where the chicks are all ready to discuss George Harvey leader formulas for the price of a shot of Yukon Jack and a beer back  – I’m on the next plane to Laramie, a copy of Leader Calc on a floppy diskette in my shirt pocket and Ernie Harrison’s Blood Knot Machine on a lanyard around my neck. We’ll slay ‘em Rusty…just slay ‘em! get me to a brewery, – sid

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Tom?  I only wish I could remember all the numbers and percentages he laid on me.  He had a lot to say about it.  I told Mr. G.H. I would understand it better seeing it in print. Again, like you said, Sir Harvey is a very interesting man.  I’m interested in this new idea of his also. Mr.G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GG describing G Harvey: George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. Despite this, and other ravages of age, the man still is one of the highlights of the annual flytying symposium here in the East. Truly, one of the greats of fly fishing and tying. I will be interested to see his new thinking on leaders, as I use his older formulae for my dry fly leaders(or a cheesy approximation of them). I am not sure that S-curves should flow continuously from line through leader, as it sets up too much slack. I think his original idea, which yields a lot of slack in the last 3 feet of the leader, works quite well. However, anything this man has to say will be of interest.                               Tom L

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Brutes lives!

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GG describing G Harvey: George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision.

Despite this, and other ravages of age, the man still is one of the highlights of the annual flytying symposium here in the East. Truly, one of the greats of fly fishing and tying. I will be interested to see his new thinking on leaders, as I use his older formulae for my dry fly leaders(or a cheesy approximation of them). I am not sure that S-curves should flow continuously from line through leader, as it sets up too much slack. I think his original idea, which yields a lot of slack in the last 3 feet of the leader, works quite well. However, anything this man has to say will be of interest.                               Tom L

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Since I was just skimming ROFF, it took me a while to realize that the G man was actually recounting an interaction with someone else named "George" when he posted the snippets included below. Oddly enough, the whole passage reads more believably as the Ginkster’s perpetual internal dialogue momentarily externalized for the rest of us to wonder at. When read this way, the entire post takes on the slightly narcotic quality of a daily affirmation, repeated daily in the mirror, the better to weather the slings and arrows of outrageous roffians. Primo stuff, George! I always suspected you referred to yourself in the third person . – sid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Imagine it!?"  I told George, I just tied a complete Royal Wulff on a size #32 dry fly hook on a dare!  He chuckled and said, we must fish together this year. "I’ll see you May or June, George." "I’ll save the room for you George.  Can’t wait." "We can even tie flies together again," he offered. George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. God, I love this man!  He is so precious. George

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According to George Harvey, he has developed a wonderful new formula and concept for finicky trout where one would need as much slack as possible to get a long drift without drag.  George said he wrote an article on it that will be coming out soon in Flyfisherman’s Magazine.  There is a new formula he uses along with soft mono and the butt section is made of three tapering pieces and the entire leader is made from soft nylon or mono so the entire leader can be made to respond to an S-cast which now includes the entire leader besides the fly line.   Mr. Harvey called me this morning to discuss other matters, and he also owns a Bastard Bamboo which he will be using opening day next week in PA. Where he fishes, he reported that one of the large fish he has seen in the past died of natural causes.  It was measured at 32.5 inches and weighted over 12 pounds besides being a LARGE Rainbow.  A fish that, for any fly fisherman, would be a trophy of a life time.  "Imagine it!?"  I told George, I just tied a complete Royal Wulff on a size #32 dry fly hook on a dare!  He chuckled and said, we must fish together this year. "I’ll see you May or June, George." "I’ll save the room for you George.  Can’t wait." "We can even tie flies together again," he offered. George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. God, I love this man!  He is so precious. George — http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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My girlfriend and I are heading somewhere in the Caribbean this winter. Besides the usual sightseeing, I want to do some flyfishing for at least one and hopefully two days.  I would like to do battle with any combination of the following:  bonefish, permit, tarpon, jack crevalle etc.   I don’t want an exclusive fishing resort.  I was hoping for a regular tourist destination that I could hook up with a reputable guide, close by,  who could take me out for the day.  I have read some good things about the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico but am open to just about anywhere.  Any suggestions?  (Cuba is an option for us Canucks.) Tony Morrison London, Ontario.

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Cuba via Mexico…..no problem…. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My girlfriend and I are heading somewhere in the Caribbean this winter. Besides the usual sightseeing, I want to do some flyfishing for at least one and hopefully two days.  I would like to do battle with any combination of the following:  bonefish, permit, tarpon, jack crevalle etc.   I don’t want an exclusive fishing resort.  I was hoping for a regular tourist destination that I could hook up with a reputable guide, close by,  who could take me out for the day.  I have read some good things about the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico but am open to just about anywhere.  Any suggestions?  (Cuba is an option for us Canucks.) Tony Morrison London, Ontario.

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Do you know good river like Big Horn? I came from Italy to USA in August for flyfishing holiday. My trip start in Oregon for Wyoming and go-back. I know only the Umpqua and the Deschutes, the Big  Horn and Shoshone Ok for C&R. Thank you for informations Giovanni Bartolozzi  Il Martin Pescatore Mosca Club

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I live in Bend, Oregon.  I can help you with lots of questions on fly fishing in Central Oregon.  I mostly do stillwater fishing. But can get answers to any questions you might have.  chow  gjbend

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Will be in bend 1st week of April. Do you think davis Lake will be accessable and is a float tube adequate?

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I think thats what the rumor is that Davis wood be accessable April 1.  I have my doubts tho.  I fished Fall River Tues. and the parking lot still has 2 feet of snow and had to park on the hwy.  Fall River and Crooked might be an option.  Actually, Chickahomany(sp) should be thawed and  ready too.  Good luck.

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Geeez….would   not wood.  Saw that as I sent.  :(

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How was fall river, BWO’s?

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If the weathers keeps warm you might try BWO.  I used a #20 black midge with cdc wing that worked great. The fish were lightly nibbleing at the surface so just drifted fly about 2 inches below the surface.  If you have ever fished there you know what its like to watch the fish suck up your fly.

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Can any one tell me about the Boston Whaler Commercial model Boats. I’m Looking for a boat for flyfishing. Primary use is on the Cheasapeake Bay and Tributaries. Need Opinions on the the Whaler model:"Ultility 17" Seems like a good boat for shallow as well as deeper water. Owners please respond! Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop" Intercourse, PA 17534

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Can any one tell me about the Boston Whaler Commercial model Boats. I’m Looking for a boat for flyfishing. Primary use is on the Cheasapeake Bay and Tributaries. Need Opinions on the the Whaler model:"Ultility 17" Seems like a good boat for shallow as well as deeper water. Owners please respond! Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop" Intercourse, PA 17534

It’s a nicely made and finished boat. Good for shallow and deep water, but it rides *very* hard. As in, bounce-bounce-bounce. — P.O. Box 7575  Jacksonville, Florida 32238 – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - I am the Shopping Cart that nicks at your paint-job.

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In California we have lots of dragon & damsel flies in our warm water ponds. We use some pretty fancy looking dragon fly nymphs, but I think a wooly bugger tied the size and color of you bugs will work as well.

[snip] Quite so: no need to go nuts with long-winded/tediously overdone dragon nymph patterns. If you’ve ever actually seen a dragon nymph move out, you know how damn fast those critters are, and how little time a trout/bass/whatever has to spot/target/nail ‘em. Wooly Buggers tied in general size/color with good tail action work just fine on the Right Coast, and a couple of strands of pearl flashabou seems to get the fish’s attention from greater distances as well… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <     "What doesn’t kill you…will hurt like heck!"     < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In California we have lots of dragon & damsel flies in our warm water ponds. We use some pretty fancy looking dragon fly nymphs, but I think a wooly bugger tied the size and color of you bugs will work as well. [snip] Quite so: no need to go nuts with long-winded/tediously overdone dragon nymph patterns. If you’ve ever actually seen a dragon nymph move out, you know how damn fast those critters are, and how little time a trout/bass/whatever has to spot/target/nail ‘em. Wooly Buggers tied in general size/color with good tail action work just fine on the Right Coast, and a couple of strands of pearl flashabou seems to get the fish’s attention from greater distances as well… Cheers! /dave

I may be fooling myself, but I like to add the black plastic eyes.  Some of the bugs have very prominent eyes, and I feel like these work a scootch better.  And if nothing else, they make my wife squeal more when I show her the fly. My three year old loves ‘em, too. I don’t go for any other anatomical features.  A sparse, fat, wooly bugger with eyes works great.

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I fish a local pond, which happens to be choked with weeds and cattails, for bass and blugill.  I have noticed a large population of both dragonflys and damselflys.  I would think the fish must eat a lot of the flies larvae.  So, what are the best patterns for these critters.   BTW, thanks for answering my other questions.  Taking up flyfishing is giving me lots of them, but isn’t that the best part of fishing? Nicolo

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In South Africa a large proportion of our fishing is for stillwater trout. We tend to have a large concentration of dragon/damsel flies in our waters over here. I tend to imitate the damselflies by using a small Wooly Bugger(size 12-14) or Filoplume damsel. For a dragonfly I either use a Hoverdragon or a pattern that I learnt from our flytying club(NFDS). The body/thorax is made up of maribou and the eyes are tuff chenile. If you need the fly tying patterns just give a shout! Paul

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Some Damselfly and Dragonfly patterns used for trout here in B.C. include: Damselfly: ‘52 Buick large Halfback Dragonfly: Bottomwalker Gomphus Doc Spratley B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fish a local pond, which happens to be choked with weeds and cattails, for bass and blugill.  I have noticed a large population of both dragonflys and damselflys.  I would think the fish must eat a lot of the flies larvae.  So, what are the best patterns for these critters.   BTW, thanks for answering my other questions.  Taking up flyfishing is giving me lots of them, but isn’t that the best part of fishing? Nicolo

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I fish a local pond, which happens to be choked with weeds and cattails, for bass and blugill.  I have noticed a large population of both dragonflys and damselflys.  I would think the fish must eat a lot of the flies larvae.  So, what are the best patterns for these critters.  

Hi Nicolo, In California we have lots of dragon & damsel flies in our warm water ponds.  We use some pretty fancy looking dragon fly nymphs, but I think a wooly bugger tied the size and color of you bugs will work as well. Trout feeding on emerging damsels requires matching their size, color and action.  I think that bass and panfish are a little less selective.  We also use small/medium poppers for warm water fish.  I like all black poppers and yellow or frog colored, also. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi. I will be going to the Argentinean Patagonia (Neuquen, Rio Negro, and Chubut provinces) this coming January. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding fly patterns to try? What about places to go? Thanks. Daniel Martinez

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Hi. I will be going to the Argentinean Patagonia (Neuquen, Rio Negro, and Chubut provinces) this coming January. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding fly patterns to try? What about places to go? Thanks. Daniel Martinez

Take a look at the lastest issue of "Outside" magazine.  There is an article on flyfishing Patagonia.   — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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Fly fishermen (more properly fly fisherpersons, wow, ain’t nothing sacred anymore)  you probably will be interested in a very new newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly devoted exclusively to fly fishing interests. Tight lines Mike Griffith —

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MGFly fishermen (more properly fly fisherpersons, wow, ain’t nothing MGsacred anymore)  you probably will be interested in a very new newsgroup MGrec.outdoors.fishing.fly devoted exclusively to fly fishing interests. How do I ask my friendly sysop to access rec.outdoors.fishing.fly?  I think he’ll want to know who it comes from, anticipated message volume and such.  Thanks for helping out a novice computer user and soon to be novice flyfisherperson! Message written at 8:40pm, on Wednesday, May 25, 1994. —