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EBay’s PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments Mon Oct 11, 8:30 PM ET   Technology – Internet Report By Lisa Baertlein

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041012/wr_nm/tech_ebay_… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – EBay Inc.’s online payment service PayPal has suffered intermittent glitches since late last week, locking some users out of their accounts for long stretches and making it difficult for some online sellers to complete deals, the company and users said on Monday. The online payment problem came at the start of eBay’s (Nasdaq:EBAY – news) seasonally biggest quarter for revenues and roughly four months after the company apologized for a run of billing and search snafus that disrupted some of the auction site’s most dedicated sellers. EBay on Monday said it was working to fix the recent PayPal problems, which have affected payments, log-ins and account creation. "We are working furiously. … We have all resources dedicated to getting it fixed as soon as possible," PayPal spokeswoman Amanda Pires told Reuters. "We haven’t found the ultimate cause," said Pires, who added that the problem appeared to be related to a coding update late on Thursday. It was not immediately clear how widespread the problems were, although eBay’s message boards were filled with postings about the PayPal glitches. Michael Bokan, of West Charlton, New York, told Reuters PayPal usually processes 5 to 10 payments a day on orders from his fly-fishing equipment Web site FlyShack.com. Bokan, who said he can see payment requests being sent to PayPal, said no payments came through on Friday, less than half than normal were processed over the weekend and just one was processed on Monday. "It’s messing things up," said one San Francisco-based PayPal user who spoke on condition he not be named. He said payments were "trickling in" to his account, although confirmation e-mails from PayPal were not. Users also complained they were unable to withdraw money from their PayPal accounts or to use their PayPal debit cards. "I can’t get paid, can’t ship and can’t get to my own money," a PayPal user wrote in a posting on eBay’s message boards. EBay has been integrating PayPal tightly into its site since it purchased the company in 2002. For example, the company added a feature to its popular "Buy It Now" function that allows sellers to accept immediate payment only through PayPal. PayPal boasted 50.4 million accounts at the end of the second quarter, during which it processed $4.4 billion in payments. Shares in eBay closed $1.14 higher at $93.73 on Monday on the Nasdaq stock exchange.

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

In all fairness, I would love to know of any programmer out there that could make even the slightest change to a system the size of eBay’s or PayPal’s, serving over 100 million pages per day, without some glitches. My hat is off to both eBay and PayPal. They did a fantastic job. SB

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW probably got some bodger in with a pirate copy of dreamweaver.

Of course not a PIRATE copy. A HONG KONG copy…bought on eBay of course =)

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On the 7th and the 8th, we *will* leave early for our journey to the Credit. What time does Hortons open?  <g

At least Dave doesn’t have a net to rig up to his back And Willi, to answer your question from a another thread (which doesn’t appear on this server) i haven’t been back to the urban spring creek. I have been fishing instead on the rio grande just 30 miles upstream from my house where there’s been reports of monster browns.  These reports have left me skeptical because i’ve tried every trick in the book up there with no success until sunday.  Check this link out.  Scroll down to the bottom of "catches of the week" http://www.abqjournal.com/go/fishingline.htm The fish was more like 21" and 3.5 lbs, but still bigger than anything I’ve caught in the San Juan, or anywhere else for that matter.  The Rio Grande in that area is what i imagine steelheading to be like, ie not many strikes, but when you get a hookup, it’s a good one.  The report also says "tiny silver fly".  They asked me to show them the fly i caught the fish with.  It was a lite brite prince, size 18, tied real skinny and buggy. bruce h Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I got home, my Hardy catalogue had arrived from England and in it was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. I think that’s especially true if you’re close enough to some water to able to fish when you can get away for only an hour or two. Spending twenty minutes getting dressed and undressed doesn’t work too well. One of the things I do is to keep a rod rigged up. I made a case from a piece of PVC piping lined with some foam pipe insulation. The end has a notch cut into it that the reel slips into and which holds the rod in place. I just hook the fly into the hook keeper, break down the rod rell in the slack and slide the rod into the case. Pull it out and you’re ready to go. In the summer I wade wet, but I’m looking into a pair of boot footed hippers. Easier than waders, boots, gravel guards etc. Willi

– Trust my experience.  Hip Waders come in only one size.  A quarter inch too short.  Stick to the wet wading. IF you do get the hips waders, make sure they have felt bottoms with studs.   (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday after work, I stopped at the Burnhamthorpe parking lot to put in a couple of hours of fishing on the Credit.  This involved planning the previous evening to pack up everything I would need and loading the truck.  Then on arrival, strip off my work clothes and pack them away, pull on assorted longjohns, sock systems, kangaroo, quick dry pants, waders, boots, gravel guards, wading jacket, wader belt, hat, fingerless gloves, camera, vest, fly boxes, tippet, then rig up the rod.  — The couple of hours available for fishing already had a 20 minute dent in it I still wasn’t at the water. When I got home, my Hardy catalogue had arrived from England and in it was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Peter

Yes there is.  Simple = good, IMO. I love my stockingfoot hip boots.  They take up practically no room, are lightweight, cooler than chest waders and suffice rather nicely on most of the creeks I fish.  I’ve been a hip wader user for many years, though, so I’m used to being careful about my depth on bigger water. I’ve also done lots of wet wading in sandals and shorts with minimal tackle–nothing more than I could fit into a pocket or two. Think minimalist.  Consider everything other than rod, reel, leader, tippet, flies and flask as luxury items.  Rubber boots and a net sounds like a deal to me.  Don’t forget your Ketchum Release <g. Tom G minimalist angler on numerous occassions

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And Willi, to answer your question from a another thread (which doesn’t appear on this server) i haven’t been back to the urban spring creek. I have been fishing instead on the rio grande just 30 miles upstream from my house where there’s been reports of monster browns.  These reports have left me skeptical because i’ve tried every trick in the book up there with no success until sunday.  Check this link out.  Scroll down to the bottom of "catches of the week" http://www.abqjournal.com/go/fishingline.htm The fish was more like 21" and 3.5 lbs, but still bigger than anything I’ve caught in the San Juan, or anywhere else for that matter.  The Rio Grande in that area is what i imagine steelheading to be like, ie not many strikes, but when you get a hookup, it’s a good one.  The report also says "tiny silver fly".  They asked me to show them the fly i caught the fish with.  It was a lite brite prince, size 18, tied real skinny and buggy.

Nicw fish. Some details.  How big of a river is it?  Was it low and clear this time of year? Is this down stream from the canyon? Have you fished the canyon? Willi

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Thanks Warren,

No problem. When does runoff start up there?

Sometime in May is normal.  It depends on what river as to what part of May.  The tailwaters dirty the slowest, and the Yellowstone seems to get it first if I remember correctly.  The Gallatin goes next and then the Madison. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Once again I’m responding to a question from Willi that hasn’t yet shown up on this server. Bruce, Send me your email address. your post, I doubt he would have been able to send his email to you <g

Thanks Warren, When does runoff start up there? Willi

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This!  Is a man that KNOWS! was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Peter GEAR….you gotta have GEAR!  Once you have GEAR you always need MORE GEAR and to use it you need fly tying STUFF!  Once you get STUFF you never have what you need and you are always on the lookout for more STUFF!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Once again I’m responding to a question from Willi that hasn’t yet

shown up on this server. Bruce, Send me your email address.

your post, I doubt he would have been able to send his email to you <g Warren

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Once again I’m responding to a question from Willi that hasn’t yet shown up on this server. Willi, I’ve fished the canyon of the Rio (the NM part).  Up near the CO border, it’s like a typical large-ish beautiful freestoner, with very little fishing pressure.  There’s miles of water and access is difficult. I caught the big brown about 100 miles downstream, in an area that we never formerly thought would hold trout because we assumed that no trout would survive the summer.  But it is a tailwater, as Cochiti Resevoir is located on the Rio about 40 miles upstream of Albuquerque, and we fish about 10 river miles down from the dam.  Apparently the water’s warm enough within the first 15 miles or so down from the dam.  I know now that there are really big browns in there. The river below Cochiti is mostly wide, sand and gravel, with big riffles like the Madison near Ennis.  That’s about the only similarity to the madison of course.  The water is mostly thigh deep, the river is about 100 yards wide mostly.  There are a few deep runs below the narrower riffles, and that’s where the big browns are I think.  I say "I think" because I’ve now been there five times and gotten a total of one strike that I know of.  It’s just that the one strike produced the best fish I’ve ever caught.  I think even Angie, the queen of spey, might say "nice fish" but probably not Yesterday afternoon I went back and got skunked like usual.  There were tiny brown mayflies galore but no rising fish nor were there any visible fish.  Oh well.  The SJ water just went yucky, everything else down here is in runoff mode, so maybe I’ll go back to the RIO tomorrow. bruce h Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

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Once again I’m responding to a question from Willi that hasn’t yet shown up on this server.

Bruce, Send me your email address. Willi

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When I got home, my Hardy catalogue had arrived from England and in it was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple.

Of course, fishing catalogue photos aren’t necessarily representative of reality, either.   Truth is probably somewhere in between.   You could get by with less, the guys in the photo would need more to fish where you do. Joe F.

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When I got home, my Hardy catalogue had arrived from England and in it was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple.

I think that’s especially true if you’re close enough to some water to able to fish when you can get away for only an hour or two. Spending twenty minutes getting dressed and undressed doesn’t work too well. One of the things I do is to keep a rod rigged up. I made a case from a piece of PVC piping lined with some foam pipe insulation. The end has a notch cut into it that the reel slips into and which holds the rod in place. I just hook the fly into the hook keeper, break down the rod rell in the slack and slide the rod into the case. Pull it out and you’re ready to go. In the summer I wade wet, but I’m looking into a pair of boot footed hippers. Easier than waders, boots, gravel guards etc. Willi

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Yesterday after work, I stopped at the Burnhamthorpe parking lot to put in a couple of hours of fishing on the Credit.  This involved planning the previous evening to pack up everything I would need and loading the truck.  Then on arrival, strip off my work clothes and pack them away, pull on assorted longjohns, sock systems, kangaroo, quick dry pants, waders, boots, gravel guards, wading jacket, wader belt, hat, fingerless gloves, camera, vest, fly boxes, tippet, then rig up the rod.  — The couple of hours available for fishing already had a 20 minute dent in it I still wasn’t at the water. When I got home, my Hardy catalogue had arrived from England and in it was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Peter

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Last night I rummaged around the basement, looking for ways to do this better.  I found an old rod tube that’ll help with the rigging problem and I dug out  my neoprene stocking foot hippies.  That still leaves me with boots and gravel guards but the clothes changing part is now history.  For an hour’s worth of fishing on the Credit, a pair of insulated rubber boots and a jacket with a couple of big pockets are all that’s really necessary.  Always an excuse to buy more stuff, eh?

What you really need, Peter, is a horse and a telescoping fly rod. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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On the 7th and the 8th, we *will* leave early for our journey to the Credit. What time does Hortons open?  <g Dave

No worries, all Timmies are 24/7/365 Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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was a picture of a couple of guys fishing from the bank; no special gear except for a fishing rod, net, and pair of rubber boots.  There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Peter

GEAR….you gotta have GEAR!  Once you have GEAR you always need MORE GEAR and to use it you need fly tying STUFF!  Once you get STUFF you never have what you need and you are always on the lookout for more STUFF!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

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One of the things I do is to keep a rod rigged up. I made a case from a piece of PVC piping lined with some foam pipe insulation. The end has a notch cut into it that the reel slips into and which holds the rod in place. I just hook the fly into the hook keeper, break down the rod rell in the slack and slide the rod into the case. Pull it out and you’re ready to go. In the summer I wade wet, but I’m looking into a pair of boot footed hippers. Easier than waders, boots, gravel guards etc. Willi

Last night I rummaged around the basement, looking for ways to do this better.  I found an old rod tube that’ll help with the rigging problem and I dug out  my neoprene stocking foot hippies.  That still leaves me with boots and gravel guards but the clothes changing part is now history.  For an hour’s worth of fishing on the Credit, a pair of insulated rubber boots and a jacket with a couple of big pockets are all that’s really necessary.  Always an excuse to buy more stuff, eh? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Petah writes: Yesterday after work, I stopped at the Burnhamthorpe parking lot to put in a couple of hours of fishing on the Credit.  This involved planning the previous evening to pack up everything I would need and loading the truck.  Then on arrival, strip off my work clothes and pack them away, pull on assorted longjohns, sock systems, kangaroo, quick dry pants, waders, boots, gravel guards, wading jacket, wader belt, hat, fingerless gloves, camera, vest, fly boxes, tippet, then rig up the rod.  — The couple of hours available for fishing already had a 20 minute dent in it I still wasn’t at the water.

On the 7th and the 8th, we *will* leave early for our journey to the Credit. What time does Hortons open?  <g Dave

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OH NO  don’t ask the boner to whup it out. —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You might ask one our regulars to show you his "maps". TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I here the Brown Trout are good there. Especially in the river when the treatment plants overflow. It must suck living in Ohio!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

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Look I’m really sorry, but the law is the law….no trailer trash allowed. You can however visit for no more than a two weeks period…. john

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<Seemingly excellent advice snipped look for a book, ’smallmouth strategies for the fly rod’ by will ryan……a good place to start. get a gazetteer with county maps….get a kayak…

You might ask one our regulars to show you his "maps". TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Mouse imitations. —  Don Thompson

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love bass too, John.  But I’m new to fly fishing.  What type of flies do you use for smallmouth?     Brian

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yes, and popper and muddlers but, my all time favorite is wooly buggers. tied in various colors, white , yellow purple etc.  Now you would use a cone head wooly.  Soon, a bead head….during the spring feed and spawn  a wooly with no weight.  then a bead head, going to a cone head in the hot summer. Tie them with an upturned barb so you can fish over the bottom and over brush. I like them with a little flashabou in them and my favorite is a brown and dark red and dirty rusty red and  dark green color to imitate crayfish. Or any mixture of those colors… Any place you can get in the water on the Miami is good, any of the ohio tributaries…Brush Creek…little Miami…Scioto, Hocking , Ceasars creek…. basically, if it flows all year and doesn’t freeze solid in the winter it has smallmouth… look for a book, ’smallmouth strategies for the fly rod’ by will ryan……a good place to start. get a gazetteer with county maps….get a kayak… john

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Lake Ere steelhead. Smallmouth bass in all state waters..walleye, saugeye….white bass runs….we even have a couple of trout streams,,,,but I don’t bother with them very much unless I am jonesin’ real bad.  smallmouth rules in Ohio. john……Dayton

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I love bass too, John.  But I’m new to fly fishing.  What type of flies do you use for smallmouth?     Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lake Ere steelhead. Smallmouth bass in all state waters..walleye, saugeye….white bass runs….we even have a couple of trout streams,,,,but I don’t bother with them very much unless I am jonesin’ real bad.  smallmouth rules in Ohio. john……Dayton

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Thank’s, Harry – a much more useful suggestion

than Idaho or Michigan (are those suburbs of Cincinnati or something?)…  

I *think* Idaho is a small town in KY (either that or a woman’s name and profession) but Michiscum (also known as "Meatchicken") is up north somewhere.  <g

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

If you want mountain streams go to Montana, but stop short of Idaho, please. Seriously, I’ve read that there are pretty decent runs of "landlocked rainbow trout", aka "faux steelhead", in Ohio, in the streams that feed Lake Erie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

Try Michigan…

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Brian writes: So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?

Take a look at – http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/index.html

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Thank’s, Harry – a much more useful suggestion than Idaho or Michigan (are those suburbs of Cincinnati or something?)…    Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian writes: So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish? Take a look at – http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/index.html

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Reminds me of the time I hooked a fish in the dorsal fin.  I thought it was a monster because it pulled so hard, then I saw where it was hooked.  They sure can pull when hooked that way. Ernie

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What I did experience,which was unusual, on an Irish stream this summer was lassooing a brown- it rose to a small dry spider style dry. I struck, and thought I had hooked a whopper.When I got it in, I found the tippet had gone 360 degrees round the belly of a small  fish, and the fly had caught up in the tippet. I had dragged the fish side ways through the water! regards, Gillaroo.

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there’s an easy way not to get tangled in the reeds.. don’t cast into them they have been using the same dropper system in Ireland and Scotland from time immemorial- so I don’t think you have to worry about using a new or specific leader/dropper material???  Gillaroo

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I have tied bass flies with a weed guard by using a loop of heavy leader material that guards the hook point but will still hook an bass that hits it. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – there’s an easy way not to get tangled in the reeds.. don’t cast into them they have been using the same dropper system in Ireland and Scotland from time immemorial- so I don’t think you have to worry about using a new or specific leader/dropper material??? Gillaroo

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Gillaroo, Here in NSW Australia we can only use 2 flies. Lake fishing it is common practice. I always tie the second fly off the bend of the first. A friend I often fish with ties a 6" dropper for his top fly (like your method). He seems to get hung up more on reeds etc than I do, but it does allow the top fly to swim properly. He catches far more fish on his top fly than me – like a %^&* 8lb brown two weekends ago! I’m considering changing to the 6" dropper system but fear too much tangling during casting – what sort of mono do you use – is stiff stuff preferable. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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We fish 90% of the time from the shore, hence the reed problem. It can also be a real bugger when trying to get land a fish and your second fly hooks up on a reed – that is one reason why some people here just use single wet flies. Do you really use a blood knot and tie the "bob" onto the tag? I can see it gives the nice 90 degree angle, but I wouldn’t have thought there would be much knot strength in the tag. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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Ernie, I’ve never seen a trout fly with a weed guard – I think they (often) take the fly too delicately and the weed guard would let them spit the fly. Cheers John Knight Stdney FlyRodders’

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If anyone wants a sketch of how I tie my droppers, please email me direct- Ill be happy to send one. Gillaroo

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John,    I use a six turn blood knot and have never had a blood knot come apart. The dropper is actually an extension of the last section of leader, so even if the knot came apart the dropper would still be connected to the line. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We fish 90% of the time from the shore, hence the reed problem. It can also be a real bugger when trying to get land a fish and your second fly hooks up on a reed – that is one reason why some people here just use single wet flies. Do you really use a blood knot and tie the "bob" onto the tag? I can see it gives the nice 90 degree angle, but I wouldn’t have thought there would be much knot strength in the tag. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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John,    I think if you read my post again you will see I said "bass flies". Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie, I’ve never seen a trout fly with a weed guard – I think they (often) take the fly too delicately and the weed guard would let them spit the fly. Cheers John Knight Stdney FlyRodders’

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Some snipped for brevity What I did experience,which was unusual, on an Irish stream this summer was lassooing a brown- it rose to a small dry spider style dry. I struck, and thought I had hooked a whopper.When I got it in, I found the tippet had gone 360 degrees round the belly of a small  fish, and the fly had caught up in  the tippet. I had dragged the fish side ways through the water!  regards,  Gillaroo.

Reminds me of the time I hog tied & landed a steelhead without hooking it.  It apparently went for the dropper, got the main part of the leader (where the dropper was tied to the tag of the blood knot)wrapped once around its jaw. Meanwhile the tippet made a full nelson around its pectoral fins (from forward under the left pec, over the back, from the rear under the right pec)with the point fly hooked around the main part of the leader. The dropper was hanging free about an inch from its jaw. Until I got it close, I couldn’t figure out why it was giving such a poor fight. Before you buy.

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John,    I have never used them for trout either, but if I were fishing Streamers or minnow imitations I might try it.  They hit them hard. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie, I know you said bass flies – I just don’t think bass fly style weed guards will work on trout flies. The only "weed guard" I’ve ever used on trout flies has been with hackle, by palmering a stiffer than usual neck feather up the hook shank, with a bigger diameter than the hook gape – e.g. a bristly wooly bugger. Regards John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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Ernie, I’ve never seen a trout fly with a weed guard –

Dragon Fly nymph patterns sometimes have weed guards fashioned from hanks of Moose hair – the nymphs are fished down and dirty in the weeds and the hair keeps the hook point free of weed.

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Ernie, I know you said bass flies – I just don’t think bass fly style weed guards will work on trout flies. The only "weed guard" I’ve ever used on trout flies has been with hackle, by palmering a stiffer than usual neck feather up the hook shank, with a bigger diameter than the hook gape – e.g. a bristly wooly bugger. Regards John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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In the UK our standard set up for lake/loch/lough fishing would have the flies maybe 5 or 6 feet apart, with the ‘point ‘ fly tied to the point, and dropper flies tied to a dropper maybe 6- 8 inches long tied to the main leader  using a blood knot or similar so that they stand out at right angles to the main leader.  Maybe you experience foulhooking because your dry/ nymph combo is only inches apart- what we in the UK call a dropper and you do are slightly different animals.When I talk of a dropper I mean the piece of line 6-8 inches long coming off the main leader.I have not experienced any significant increase of foul hooking using ‘our’ system. What I did experience,which was unusual, on an Irish stream this summer was lassooing a brown- it rose to a small dry spider style dry. I struck, and thought I had hooked a whopper.When I got it in, I found the tippet had gone 360 degrees round the belly of a small  fish, and the fly had caught up in  the tippet. I had dragged the fish side ways through the water!  regards,  Gillaroo.

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I’m scheduled the weekend before the Canadian Thanksgiving, October 10th.

I mean the weekend *of* Thanksgiving – can’t read a damn calendar anymore. Peter

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Peter Charles: (snip) <<"Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g Dave L.

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Peter Charles: <<"Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g

You must hear that a lot, Dave… /daytripper ;^)

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Tripper : <Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g

You must hear that a lot, Dave… /daytripper ;^) Heh, heh, heh.  When I am in Labrador with one of the grand kids, we (the guide and I) always place the guide to the left of the grand son.  When we putt-putt up river, the guide is in the middle and Jeff or Brian is in the stern.  When we float down river bow first, we reverse locations.  One guide actually said "Shift" when we were to make the transition.  <g See you up there the week of the 6th?  I’ll have a six pack of Sleeman’s.  Hafta save the rest for the NC Gang in October. Dave L.

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[snip] See you up there the week of the 6th?  I’ll have a six pack of Sleeman’s.  Hafta save the rest for the NC Gang in October.

It’s looking good so far. I have to move my younger son into his college dorm on the 5th, the older one doesn’t leave for London ’til the 20th, so I should be able to come up for a few days at least. How many are you going to be? Need a bunky, Bunky? ;^) fwiw: Had a lovely day in Wellfleet, and now I’m sitting on a deck chair clicking away under starlight, accompanied by the sounds of the sea. Opus the Wonderlab is conked out against my feet, a cool Dundee’s rests within reach. Very nice indeed. /daytripper

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Tripper: <<Had a lovely day in Wellfleet, and now I’m sitting on a deck chair clicking away under starlight, accompanied by the sounds of the sea. Opus the Wonderlab is conked out against my feet, a cool Dundee’s rests within reach. Ahaaa, a Dundee’s.  I have converted another. I invited wayno up, but I haven’t heard from him.  I think he’s still in St. Louis.  Jo isn’t going — she’s heading to Georgia for a family reunion.  Just me and Henry.  Room for more if you wish.  I tied up something that I think will be a killer.  Will show you up there.  I had problems with it (parachute), but Peter set me right.  I still have two mountain bikes up there, so if you come, don’t bother with your’s.                         I need to do some fishing! Dave

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I invited wayno up, but I haven’t heard from him.  I think he’s still in St. Louis.  Jo isn’t going — she’s heading to Georgia for a family reunion.   Dave

ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg jeff

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Jeff Miller: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg   <BSEG  Jo isn’t going to Georgia until September.  Besides, wayno loves life.  Course, you could come also.  The alewifes will be running and the salmon going crazy over them. Dave L.

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Charlie Choc: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg

Shhhhhhh<g. — Charlie… You forgot the "iiiiitttttttt".  <g Dave…

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dave –  fished the ale-wife streams during my younger years…but the ale-husbands always got tangled in my line…now, i’m absolutely content in the nc trout streams…but, i’ve been talkin to pj about takin a look at Maine next year.  we’ve never been that far north.  do we need a visa? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg   <BSEG  Jo isn’t going to Georgia until September.  Besides, wayno loves life.  Course, you could come also.  The alewifes will be running and the salmon going crazy over them. Dave L.

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Jeff Miller: <<dave –  fished the ale-wife streams during my younger years…but the ale-husbands always got tangled in my line…now, i’m absolutely content in the nc trout streams…but, i’ve been talkin to pj about takin a look at Maine next year.  we’ve never been that far north.  do we need a visa? Visa?  No, but you should probably put a leash on PJ once you get into Pennsylvania or New York.  <g  I was thinking about old PJ this morning and his come back when I said I was gonna kick his ass.  He said, "Better bring your lunch."  LOL.  Hell, I think I’d need a catoring truck.  <g   I hope you can both make it next year. Oh, yeah……. if you drive up, *you* drive.  <g Dave LaCourse

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I’ve been having pretty good luck on the Grand with streamers lately. The water is high and off colour so the dry acttion is very slow and I’m not much of a nympher.  (BTW, is a female angler who nymphs, a nymphette?)  Anyway, I’m out slugging streamers with my six weight and I’ve taken a few fish when I notice a few rises, nothing regular but things are starting to happen. At about 6:30, I notice the water is literally carpeted with trico spinners.  Every square foot must have between 20 to 50 of the little buggers.  Now the browns are rising regularly but with so many naturals, will I stand a chance? A small fish was working a seam and I put a few casts over him, directly through his window, but no dice.  My ties are size 22 and the naturals are about a 24, so I use my clippers to reduce the wings.  I add on about 3′ of 7X to my 9′ leader and start looking for a new victim. While I was doing the manicure thing, a huge brown makes a massive rise about 75′ upstream.  But that’s it, nothing more.  So I concentrate on a small one working another seam in front of me.  After about 30 casts, the little guy finally takes it and I land a nice, bright 8" brown. I work my way upstream toward the big one but she doesn’t show herself again.  A nice sized fish is working regularly so I decide to go after him instead.  Now things get difficult.  First off, I’m trying to short cast a #22 on a 12′ 7X leader with my stout six weight streamer rod – not good.  Second problem, the trout is not working a seam, rather he’s drifting around a big flat and his rises are neither regular nor consistently in the same spot.  Without belabouring things, I cast to this bugger for an hour.  There are so many naturals on the water that many times I think he’s taken the fly when he’s really taken a natural that was riding beside it.  Twice I think I’ve bumped him and put him down, but the dining is too good and he never pauses.  Since he has no rhythym, I’m often in midcast when he comes up.  Sometimes I have the pleasure of watching my fly drift through the spreading rings of his rise it having arrived two seconds too late. Finally I realize that is fish has got the better of me so I make the decision to try ten more casts then call it quits.  Ten nothing . . . nine nothing . . . then on number six, he takes it.  After a short but stubborn fight I land him, a nice 11" brown. This is one of those evenings that will stay stuck in my memory for a long time.  A finicky fish, an absolutely massive trico spinner fall, and finally scoring when I had decided to quit.  Just to add to the evening, I crossed Bronte Creek on the way home and ran into a trico snowstorm on the bridge — yeeeuuch what a mess. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Peter Charles: (great story snip) <<Just to add to the evening, I crossed Bronte Creek on the way home and ran into a trico snowstorm on the bridge — yeeeuuch what a mess. May have been a mess, Peter, but it was an enjoyable read.  <g When is your float trip down the Grand? Dave LaCourse

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At about 6:30, I notice the water is literally carpeted with trico spinners.  Every square foot must have between 20 to 50 of the little buggers.  Now the browns are rising regularly but with so many naturals, will I stand a chance?

I’m going down to Silver Creek to fish the trico hatch this morning. Here’s the way it works there. (Repeating something I posted a few days ago.) When the spinner fall starts — which can be truly massive — pods of large fish start feeding together. They don’t rise to individual flies. They just stay on the surface, with their heads sweeping back and forth, gulping large numbers of flies. If you’re lucky or knowledgeable enough to be above one of these pods it gets really exciting. You have to present the fly downstream right into a fish’s mouth. They won’t budge for an individual fly. The fish are so gluttonous at this point that if you put down the pod with a clumsy take-up they’re back to feeding in just a few seconds. There are trico spinner patterns but I don’t use them because I can’t see them. I use the much more visible dun pattern, which seems to work fine. With so many flies the fish don’t inspect each one with their customary finickyness. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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… This is one of those evenings that will stay stuck in my memory for a long time.  A finicky fish, an absolutely massive trico spinner fall, and finally scoring when I had decided to quit. …

Very nice. Thanks for the play by play. Fishing the spinner fall is one of the more challenging exercises in fishing the small fly. Nice to know that SOMEONE can have success at it, and with a 6wt to boot ! — Ken Fortenberry

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When is your float trip down the Grand? Dave LaCourse

I’m scheduled the weekend before the Canadian Thanksgiving, October 10th.  Scott is included and Barney Jones, co-owner of Grindstone Angling, will be our guide.  Knowing full well his reaction, I asked Barney if he will get us into fish.  He put his arm around me in a fatherly fashion and said, "Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going down to Silver Creek to fish the trico hatch this morning. Here’s the way it works there. (Repeating something I posted a few days ago.) When the spinner fall starts — which can be truly massive — pods of large fish start feeding together. They don’t rise to individual flies. They just stay on the surface, with their heads sweeping back and forth, gulping large numbers of flies. If you’re lucky or knowledgeable enough to be above one of these pods it gets really exciting. You have to present the fly downstream right into a fish’s mouth. They won’t budge for an individual fly. The fish are so gluttonous at this point that if you put down the pod with a clumsy take-up they’re back to feeding in just a few seconds. There are trico spinner patterns but I don’t use them because I can’t see them. I use the much more visible dun pattern, which seems to work fine. With so many flies the fish don’t inspect each one with their customary finickyness.

I wish they had been feeding this way; it would have made life simple. No these fish were rising as if they were targeting individuals. There could have been as much as a minute between rises and the fish were widely scattered.  Totally different behaviour from what you described.  I guess this is part of what makes this business so interesting. Peter

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Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

You’d be surprised what you local libray might have; and you might be able to put a hold on one that’s not in, or order it from another library.    I’ve checked out a number of them over the years.   Some fly fishing shops also rent them out. Before I teach someone how to fly fish, or even to cast, I always insist they watch the videos, first. Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

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There are a number of good casting videos.  Some of our favorites are:  "Joan Wulff’s Dynamics of Fly Casting", which is still fairly new on the market.  It covers "from solid basics to advanced techniques." $24.95 And… "Fly Casting with Lefty Kreh" ($29.95) and "All New Fly Casting Techniques", also Lefty Kreh ($19.95) Both Joan Wulff and Lefty Kreh are renouned for their casting ability. I couldn’t give you a clue on how to choose one over the other, as they are all excellent–but different. If you don’t mind spending the $, get Joan’s and one of Lefty’s.  It would be worth it. Lauren Hart, Brazos FlyFishers  http://www.brazosflyfishers.com Check out our Spring Specials posted on our website!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

Back in 1991, I went to Canada’s Northwest Territories on a fly-in trip.  To research it, I called the NWT tourism bureau.  They were able to give me quite a bit of valuable info on winners and losers in the fly-in fishing biz.  My choice (one of her recommendations) was great and I will go back to NWT as soon as I can afford it. Peter

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some of the people who have gone on guided trips in BC have done extremely well – limited out for Salmon, Halibut & cod as well as a big haul of shrimp and crab. Northwest Fishing Guides who have a lodge in Terrace BC take people out to the ocean or take them to freshwater fishing areas and are very successfull.  I have had very good reports on them. My pages have listings – Northwest and many other fishing guides, take a look – it won’t cost anything to look! Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Always wondered if you got what you paid for? Back in 1991, I went to Canada’s Northwest Territories on a fly-in trip.  To research it, I called the NWT tourism bureau.  They were able to give me quite a bit of valuable info on winners and losers in the fly-in fishing biz.  My choice (one of her recommendations) was great and I will go back to NWT as soon as I can afford it. Peter

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some of the people who have gone on guided trips in BC have done extremely well – limited out for Salmon, Halibut & cod as well as a big haul of shrimp and crab.

[snip] Fly-fishing for shrimp and crab? Shouldn’t this be in the "Strange Fish On The Fly" thread? ;^)

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

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Always wondered if you got what you paid for?

Sometimes it’s better than you imagined it could be.  Other times you can be disappointed and once in a while, you can feel absolutely cheated.  It pays to do research and check references.

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I just recently got a 4 piece Sage 8 wt. DS rod, and it broke while I was casting. I took it back to the local fly fishing shop and they sent the top 3 pieces back to Sage. He said it would take a few weeks to get back, I was rather disatisfied. It took 4 weeks. I just got the rod back a couple of days ago. However, it turns out that Sage only sent me back 2 of the 3 sections that were sent in and I have yet to hear back from them on whether they’ve found the piece or not. I think that since it’s Sage’s fault for mislocating the piece that they should ship it to my local fly shop via priority mail, either overnight or 2 day. Is there anything that I can do to speed up the process? or anything? Thanx in advance. Tite Lines, David Dreisbach

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: I just recently got a 4 piece Sage 8 wt. DS rod, and it broke while I was : casting. : I took it back to the local fly fishing shop and they sent the top 3 : pieces back : to Sage. He said it would take a few weeks to get back, I was rather : disatisfied. : It took 4 weeks. I just got the rod back a couple of days ago. However, it : turns : out that Sage only sent me back 2 of the 3 sections that were sent in and : I : have yet to hear back from them on whether they’ve found the piece or not. : I think : that since it’s Sage’s fault for mislocating the piece that they should : ship it to : my local fly shop via priority mail, either overnight or 2 day. Is there : anything : that I can do to speed up the process? or anything? Thanx in advance. : : Tite Lines, : David Dreisbach David, Try calling Sage at 1-800-533-3004 and ask for their Customer Service Dept or have your shop call them. They have been good to me on broken prime and blems. I’ve only had one break while casting, the others while wrapping on guides. Keep your feet dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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Hi,  I would consider 4 weeks turnaround as extremely good service. Some of the turnaround times I’ve dealt with were not measured in weeks OR months. The loss of the section is quite sloppy however.   Graphite can not be repaired so the section you were sent was a mismatched piece, a testimonial to consistent manufacturing if it still acts the same.   Bamboo can be easily repaired in the event of a mishap but it always takes much longer to get it fixed. Good release, A.J.Thramer

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Try calling their 800 number(206)842-6608, and discuss the problem with the warranty department.  The Sage Company is a very reasonable and reputable group…they will probably take good care of you.

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I fished the St. Joe river in early July and caught many good-sized cutthroat. The St. Joe is about 1.5 hrs SW of C d’A. Would be interested to find out how the other locations turned out.

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Looking for fly fishing information in the Coeur D’ Alene, Idaho area. Lakes, streams, etc. Will be in the area in mid August. Thanks, in advance.

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Looking for fly fishing information in the Coeur D’ Alene, Idaho area. Lakes, streams, etc. Will be in the area in mid August. Thanks, in advance.

I would head for the San Poil river over south of Republic Wa. It is about an hour from there.

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The North Fork Coeur d’Alene River is reportedly yielding more cutthroat this season, and a little more variety in sizes.   For the past few years there would be about two fish per mile, both 18".   Now there are some other year classes starting to show some recovery.

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: Looking for fly fishing information in the Coeur D’ Alene, Idaho : area. Lakes, streams, etc. Will be in the area in mid August. The Idaho state record for pike has been broken once or twice a year for the last decade. All of the fish have come from Lake Coeur d’Alene, mostly on bait in the spring and from the "chain of lakes" on the east side. If you can locate them in August, should be fun. Most of the boat activity on the lake itself will be trollers looking for chinook salmon. Try some alternative waters: 1. the Spokane River, between C d’A and Spokane (check with Fins and Feathers in C d’A for specifics) 2. the Kootenai (great tailwater fishery between Libby MT and Bonners Ferry ID) – one of the shop/ guide operations is on-line; try 3. The Pend Oreille system (check with Panhandle Cast n Blast – real name – in Hayden Lake); this watershed includes Priest Lake and River — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.  Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

Fly Fisherman PO Box 3474 Mount Morris Il 61054-9937 If you live in California a fairly recent publication that is very good is the California Fly Fisher. The subscription address is: California Fly Fisher PO Box 40429 San Francisco, Ca 94140 John

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 Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can  be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like  the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.   Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

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