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Sounds like a FANTASTIC day on the water,  great report jh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen. I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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(snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet

(snip)     that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno writes: (snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet (snip)    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

Save a day next may.  You can sleep in the rv.  I’ll let you use my 8 weight *with* the fighting butt.  I wanna see your scrawny ass runnin down the middle of this water.  <G Louie

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   that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles writes:    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter

He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it.  <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

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Peter He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it. <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

That small eh?  In that case, I would think a 0 weight would be more appropriate.  If he came, we’d probably need a bosun’s chair just to lower him out of the boat.  BTW, think he can even lift an 8 wt.?  If he ever hooked a salmon, he’d probably throw the rod overboard from sheer fright.    (how am I doin’?) Peter

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It’s late, I’m beat, the pirate is whacked – this TR is gonna be short. Up at 4:30 and, on the road at 5:15, arrived at the store at 6:00, on the water by 8:00 and home by 9:00pm.   Louie before the trip, "I’m gonna take my 6 wt."   Told the Pirate not to bother with his vest or the 6 wt.   Well, we’re at the put-in and John Valk (owner/guide) is going "Nyet" to the 6 wt.  Out comes the 8 wt.  Now I’m looking at Louie and the fighting butt on the 8 wt. is missing, "I took it off." he says.  Silly boy.  By the end of the day, there’s no vest, the 6 wt. never left its tube and he has a hole in his sternum where he had stuck the reel seat on repeated occasions. Best shot of the day – watching Louie’s face as his backing rapidly disappears.  Second best shot of the day, seeing Louie running 100 yds downstream trying to retrieve his backing – after vaulting out of the drift boat. Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Details at 6:00. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ? Remove "XX" from address

We saw a few but the real run hasn’t gone going yet.  We need colder temps and a *lot* more water. As John fussed with the boat and stuff, there were a bunch of salmon playing in the shallows.  I had a poke at them with the big stick but no joy.  With that experience, I put it away and took out a single hander. Dave got out a rarely used Orvis 8 wt. with a big sinktip that proved to be a difficult line to use in the low water conditions. Dave, by his own admission, was unsure what this fishing would be about and when we found a pod of about 20 salmon cavorting about, he had two silver dollars for eyeballs.   John has a particular way of doing a wet fly swing (he likes the fly oriented north-south – I tend to a broadside presentation) but we both used John’s technique.  We swim the fly in front of the pod and hope that a big, pissed-off male will charge out and nail it.  Frequently, we were not disappointed and Dave got a very lively fish out of this pod within a couple of minutes. Dave hooked up first (a fish probably in the low teens) which promptly peeled off all of his line and a good quantity of backing.  It was a great intro to Saugeen salmon fishing.  He eventually ended up about 100 yards downstream where the fish was netted. A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. The Saugeen was especially low and clear so the fish were always very obvious.  We drifted over a few steelhead, loads of huge smallies, some browns, red horse suckers, carp, and a few unidentified.  The colours were especially bright in the high sun, and with the warm day, it was a very pleasant trip all-round. Final results were something like four fish each landed and multiple hookups (including one double).  Most of the fish were in the teens but one of mine was over 20 lbs.  We saw and hooked a few bruisers that ran over 30.  All of them took off in long runs.  Some of the fish were quite aerobatic with jumps, lunges and tumbles that often resulted in them being wrapped up in line.  One of mine began to fight funny after a few minutes. On initial hookup, the fish stuck his head out of the water with an open mouthed head shake that told of a fair hook.  By the time we got him landed, the fly was still in his mouth but he had about five winds of line around one fin.  Dave had one where the fly started off in it’s mouth and ended up in it’s tail.  We figured it too got wrapped up in line and then the fly came loose only to reattach. I’ll have a trip on my site by next week with pics that will give some indication of the river and the fish.   It was fun as always having the Pirate up and Thanksgiving dinner will long be remembered for the gales of laughter and the sore sides we had in the morning. Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Don’t wait too long. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o)

At the Salmon River, Saugeen next week. Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile.

probably brighter than those bright blue Audi headlights. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.  

It was a memorable day fer sure.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold. If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G

You mean, like again! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes:

<great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks?

Nope, we were hoping for steelhead but the conditions were too warm and the water too low.  We saw lots of smallies but with the low, clear water, we saw them when we spooked them.   Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

I used the term ‘natural’ to mean naturally reproducing.  While these chinook exhibit superior characteristics as compared to their stocked cousins, I haven’t seem the same difference between natural and stocked browns on the Grand.  That may have something to do with how the Grand stocking program is managed. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I thought that Ontario had stopped stocking chinook altogether, but I guess not, eh ?   The strain of chinook used for stocking is one that does not move in until quite late.  I’ve read that what has happened in some cases where natural reproduction has been established is that over generations the salmon have tended to come into rivers earlier and earlier prior to spawning.  It sounds like the Saugeen is one of them.

I’ve always understood that Credit River chinook were stocked as the prospects for natural reproduction were poor.  John confirmed that they were stockers. I’ve not heard about earlier runs but with the Saugeen being farther north, an earlier run is to be expected.  There’s no question that they are much healthier fish. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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      Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one   piece (including the anglers).       Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ?     Remove "XX" from address       A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked   and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and   live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this   results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright   and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up   stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a   high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s   usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often   roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told   us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and   it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks? Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck?

What girls did you "visit" while in Coburn? Sounds like you were in a real hurry to get out of town. — TL, Tim

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

hey, take care Louie, you’ve got an important fishing date coming up. Hey Dave, if it hurts when you bend, don’t bend.  You have to come and see us soon.  I’m practicing on my new stove.   This is the Jag of all Jags.   The Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

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…   The Thanksgiving turkey, …

Canadian Thanksgiving makes WAY more sense than the American version. The second Monday of October is a great time to have a real fall harvest fest. The end of November sucks, and besides it’s too close to Xmas. — Ken Fortenberry- left in disgust at the start of the 4th quarter

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

Can’t wait to see you both on the 13th. Love Suzie

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 Smashed my back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).

Enjoyed your TR but sorry to hear about your bad luck. You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

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Vince Norris writes: You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

Fortunately I wasn’t hurt badly.  A friend (in his early 70s) saw it, and thought I had to be hurt bad (good?), so he got on his rather sophisticated radio and called his son fishing downriver at Harbeck Pool.  His son started back to help in the "rescue", but when my friend saw me up and about, he called and told the son I was ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

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ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

Hey, I worry about you big guy.  With all the luck you’ve had, a wonderful wife, trips to Lakewood left, right and center, that land yacht of yours, I figure your lucks gotta run out sometime. Good report.  I can’t wait to get up there next year.  Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Frank Reid writes: Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June.

Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there.   Dave

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave

Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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The boat was waiting for us when we arrived at South Arm.  It is always amusing to see Henry jump from the car, run down to the dock and get aboard Lakewood’s boat.  (Lakewood owns the boat, so the apotrophe is correct)   After a quick lunch, I headed to the dam.  No one in sight.  I picked one of the good spots and started with Bruiser’s #20 PT, tied on a scudd hook.  Second cast and I had a decent brookie, dressed to the nines in her fall colors.  A few casts later, another brookie.  It went on like this until I lost the fly. %, I only had one.  Fortunately I brought along the fly box that Bruiser gave me at the SJ clave two years ago.  It was filled with little size 20 – 24 jewels.  I selected something similar, and it was *better*.  What an outstanding afternoon.  The catch of brookies to salmon was about 5 to 1.  I can remember when it was 10 to 1 salmon to brookies.  And it wasn’t that long ago.  C & R works (sorry Timbo) On Monday morning I went to Pond in the River – not much happening with the standard stuff.  However, an old stand-by, the Jail Bird tied on a size 20 dry fly hook brought two very nice brook trout from the wing dam pool.  That fly has never failed me!  Very simple tie, too.  After a sumptuous lunch, I was a bit tired, so I napped until mid-afternoon and then hit the dam.   As before, Bruiser’s tiny SJ flies did their magic.  I dredged Zimbo’s Run and landed several nice (+14 inch) brookies, as well as some  salmon about the same size.  The fish looked to be in remarkable condition, especially the brookies. Only a couple of salmon that I caught (the entire week) had sores on their jaws from being hooked.  There was a team of biologists surveying the river for the power company.  I had a conversation with them at dinner and asked about the mortality of C&R.  Although they didn’t give me a percentage, their feelings were that the brookies are very strong and their mortality is very, very low, whereas the salmon, dumber and not as strong, still have a low mortality.  With the number of fish I caught that looked healthy, I’d say they were spot on in their estimation. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday, with the exception of a 19 inch brookie taken on one of Bruisers #20 nymphs.  I also worked some rising salmon.  There was a hatch on, and I cast a tiny little black fly.  In general, they were small fish – in the 8 to 12 inch range, and no brookies.  So, I switched back to the little nymphs and continued to have luck at any spot at the dam.  Again, the brookies were ferocious with Bruiser’s flies. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the same, except Friday it rained harder than it did at Henry’s Fork (if that is possible).  We got about 4 inches of water in less than 24 hours.  Fishing remained fairly good, however, and I finally got a chance to wear my SST jacket.  Kept me dry and warm.  Sleeping in one of Lakewood’s cabins is always a treat, but when it is cold and raining, it is extra sweet.   The season ends on Tuesday.  I’ve been home three hours and I’m ready to go back.  It is gonna be a long winter……. Dave

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"Bill Kiene"  wrote They put it in a little gar and dunk their flies in it.

Okay, Bill.  You had me thoroughly flummoxed for a minute there.  I was trying to figure out how you force-feed a gar.  Hmmm. Yes, I understand people make typos, but when the typos are grammatically correct…. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap.   But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap.   But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris

Been there done that, doesn’t seem to work very good in my experience Flyfish

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  I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap. But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris Been there done that, doesn’t seem to work very good in my experience Flyfish

The reason SILICONE type pastes don’t work as fly dressings are many fold. 1)  Silicone grabs dirt and grit like a magnet. 2)  Silicone matts fine hackles 3)  Silicone absorbs 10% of its weight in water!  (A big fault and defect) 4)  Silicone is NOT a product designed to be a fly dressing. We have solved and and eliminated all the above problems. Gink, is the only dry fly dressing in the world designed to be a dry fly dressing.  It is an original product that has no fly fishing faults. George Gehrke "I use gink"

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This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.)

1.  Darn right, Don, I can’t remember the last time I needed a floatant   at all.  I reckon applying pastes and goos to a properly tied dry fly     actually detracts from their appearance, and in some cases (CDC for     example) detrimental to floating the fly. Powdered dessicants I do   use. 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant.

2. See 1.  ;-) Steve

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Hi Gililk, I heard about that ~30 years ago. I have never tried it. I think it was paraffin and lighter fluid? I did hear of a good formula for a great floatant that fly fishing guides use around Ennis, Montana. They take a container of "Red Mucilin Paste" and mix it (3 or 4 to 1 ) with lighter fluid. They put it in a little gar and dunk their flies in it. After dunking,  they blow the extra "floatant" off. It works well. Actually, in our fly shop, the favorite paste or jel type floatants are "Dave’s Bug Float" and  "Gink". The most popular power floatants (desiccant base) are "Yamazaki’s Dry Shake" and "Frog’s Fanny". — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

Gink is NOT, no way in hell, abolene. Gink is the safest, best dry fly dressing in all of fly fishing  history. No brag. Fact! Mr. G.

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daytripper writes: What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week…

Well, excuuuuuuse me!  I thought I had a sense of humor answering your post. At least it was meant that way.  And she was an English teacher – she’d be somewhere north of 100 today.  d;0) Dave

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daytripper writes: What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week… Well, excuuuuuuse me!  I thought I had a sense of humor answering your post. At least it was meant that way.  And she was an English teacher – she’d be somewhere north of 100 today.  d;0)

Somewhere downwards of six feet would be my guess. Wolfgang fully aware of the gravity of the implications.

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin.

This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

Abolene deteriorates certain fly tying materials by slowly softening them and dissolving them.  Abolene also is NOT ENVIRONMENTAL friendly in that you do not want to put oil into water.  What makes abolene work on removing Make Up is that it is a light oil that cuts into heavy, compacted facial creams and gook women put on their faces, especially actors who wear copious amounts of make up. There is a certain mindset in fly fishing that thinks saving money is more important than using products specifically designed to be enviornmentally friendly.  In the course of a life time, for instance, one purchase of Fly-Maker’s Wax will last most fly fishermen over ten years yet others promote you to by a big package of toilet wax which is not designed to perform as well as a product invented by a fly fisherman for fly fishermen. When you Gink a fly, you’re using a product that is designed just for fly fishing.  Now, I would like to make another statement in this regard.  Gink is the ONLY dry fly dressing in the world that is not a plagerized product from another industrial source being dumped into your trout streams.  The hurtful chemicals found in Abolene doesn’t cross the cheap-scape minds in Roff.  They truely believe they have a leg’s up on Gink when in fact these individuals don’t know green side up.  This is why Gink is the only product on the world market today that is a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fisherman for fly fishermen.  There is no way in hell anyone is going to out float Gink with another stolen industrial product, passing them off as dry fly dressings when in fact they are not. If you care about your fly fishing, clean water and healthy trout and above all, healthy aquatic life that isn’t being killed by Abolene . . .  you should use the product that has nearly thirty years of customer satisfaction, world wide.  That product is . . . George Gehrke Mr. Gink http://www.gink.com

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gililk writes: This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

No need to mix your own floatant.  If the tubs at the fly shop are too expensive (they are!), go to a drugstore and in the ladies cosmetic section, but a jar of Albolene.  It is the same stuff that most fly dressings are made of.  And, a helluva lot cheaper.   Dave

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go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.  

Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop? Kevin

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Kevin writes: go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.   Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop?

*&%^#)( fingers!!!  

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This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

I know a few of people who use Naptha and wax. You need to keep the bottle in an inside pocket. It needs higher temps than your typical air temps to disolve the wax. Personnaly I’ve found Cortland Dab to be work the best. Paul

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Kevin writes: go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.   Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop? *&%^#)( fingers!!!  

What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week… /daytripper (btw: Here’s that PHHBBBBBBTTT I was saving up for ya!

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This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

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In light of the recent tension, caused by so-called "ignorance," I began thinking about words and symbols that either have more than one meaning or are bastardized in one way or another. http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/news_archives/pc970001.htm — Op

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In light of the recent tension, caused by so-called "ignorance," I began thinking about words and symbols that either have more than one meaning or are bastardized in one way or another. http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/news_archives/pc970001.htm — Op

______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to that a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? — — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to that a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? —

        george, you need to clear out.  your posts are beginning to make a soup sandwich look like the rock of gibralter. wayno

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______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to take a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? —         george, you need to clear out.  your posts are beginning to make a soup sandwich look like the rock of gibralter. wayno

Clearing the cache right now Wayne! — — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

Here are parts of a conversation that I had with someone earlier. We also fished a river up from Vail.  You go west on I-70 from Vail then turn south on the highway to Mintern (or Leadville), you’ll parallel a stream way below you in the canyon.  At about Red Cliff the stream reaches the highway and mellows out.  There’s a little picnic area we parked at and fished upstream

This stretch of water (the Eagle) was fantastic on 8/2-6, when I had the good fortune to be fishing it with a couple of friends. I used to live in Aspen and had fished the Roaring Fork and over in Frying Pan, but the fishing was never as good as the 5 days we had around Vail. I guess it helped that my freind had been guiding in the valley for about five years. I was told to pick up some emerging caddis at the local outfitter, and hardly took them off (except to do some nymphing). Caught my first cut on the Eagle just below the rod and gun club’s property off of highway 6. Anyway, I had to make a comment when I heard that I almost you on the river.

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

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South Africa is not all that bad I do admit to a lot of crime here though Aids is not much of a problem among the white communities they say something like 35% of all Africans are infected From Gavin

That’s what I was talking about.  It’s been in the news over here quite a bit lately.  Didn’t realize that it was localized to the black community. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out. Peter G. Aitken

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If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out.

LOL.  I didn’t think about that but I agree.  Unless it is the only shop within a 100 miles and I need stuff now. I’ve been in a situation where I went fishing to a location that I was told had a local fly-shop.  Therefore, I chose to buy some of my stuff at their shop in hopes of getting some local information.  However, the shop turned out to be a small corner in a gas station.  The only other shop was 3 hours away. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out.  If you were in a society where the average yearly  income is 1/100 of the US, you might view shopping  opportunities in a different light.  Greg.

I could be wrong, but I’m guessing that Gavin’s folks aren’t selling a lot of fly lines to the native South Africans. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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 HMMMM  lessssseee. I net 85K so 1/100 would be $850. HOLY SMOKES Pancho I just spent more for 6 mo. professional hazard insurance than the average annual income of 4/5 of the world.Not to mention the annual dues I pay to the various professional societies.AH the wonders of tax loopholes.  By the way 3 out of 4 people make up 75 % of the worlds population.   OK OK OK  shut up and go fishing. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

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But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years!

My mother sells rubbers to sailors. My pop pokes  the holes with a pin. My sister performs the abortions. My God, how the money rolls in! (Just kidding…Mom’s a lawyer, Dad teaches, and the closest thing I have to a sister is their female Golden Retriever) Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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LOL…the minute I read your message and saw the word ‘airflow’ I thought, "*((&%)# line memory!"  Then I read the replies that are above mine and have little to add.   Absolute crap.   I’ve been fly fishing many years now and can think of few things I’ve purchased that have caused me more anger and headaches during the short time I used it. I now keep what’s left of it in my large fishing box to use for emergency shoe laces, tent rope, etc. Until recently I had a large enough house lot so that I could stretch my fly lines out in the sun full length under tension to get out any line memory, prior to most trips.  It worked great on everything but the Airflow, which still looked like a floating slinky on the surface when used the next day. I’m not as conversant as some on the new lines, so can’t recommend any particular brand, but just wanted to add my $.02 worth about ‘Airflow.’ Max Before you buy.

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Trash the AirFlo lines, stock a full line of AirFlo leaders, get SA and Cortland fly lines, give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Gavin, I thought you were the 16 year old kid.  Didn’t you say that you started fly-fishing 6 years ago when you were 10?  Now, you have your own fly-shop in South Africa? — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

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Again, trash the airflow lines.  I like the Rio lines.  However, Corland is a big company and might be easier to get in South Africa. Their lines are okay depending on which one you get. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Trash the AirFlo lines, stock a full line of AirFlo leaders, get SA and Cortland fly lines, give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. — Wayne

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… give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years.

But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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That is "Airflo", not "airflow", which is immaterial in any case as it is only fit for the bin. If you do not already know the answers to these questions, quite apart from the prices involved, then you should not be opening a fly shop. The "craze" at the moment appears to be inline skates. TL MC "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2000 19:56 if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

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… give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

If they live that long.  Odds aren’t as good as they used to be in SA. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon If they live that long.  Odds aren’t as good as they used to be in SA. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

South Africa is not all that bad I do admit to a lot of crime here though Aids is not much of a problem among the white communities they say something like 35% of all Africans are infected From Gavin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is "Airflo", not "airflow", which is immaterial in any case as it is only fit for the bin. If you do not already know the answers to these questions, quite apart from the prices involved, then you should not be opening a fly shop. The "craze" at the moment appears to be inline skates. TL MC "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

Im just wanted to know as we have sold most of AIRFLO stock and plan to get more I said if 1 was limited to $50 which is about R320 with our exchange rate at the moment Oh I dont own a shop I am helping my friend who does regards Gavin

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if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

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In another post I wrote that I was experimenting with two and three dry fly rigs, and that the big stimulator in front helped me see takes on the small flies that I couldn’t see. It occurred to me that in some situations, like dim light or glare, an indicator could be useful when fishing small dry flies, but I’ve never heard of anyone recommending this. I suppose it’s not the purest of pure dry fly fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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RW: I know that you are not as clumsy as I am, but I would suggest being sure you have bent the barbs down on all the flies that you tie on the leader…I know that any flies that do not have fish on them seem to hook me on a regular basis and the flies are less painful to remove from me if the barbs are bent down. Big Dale

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I don’t know that I’d *recommend* it, but one of the people I fish with had on a big wool indicator for nymphing and switched to a small BWO when we saw a few come off.  He left the indicator on – funniest thing I ever saw on the river (no, wait, he also wears Aqua Stealth shoes, so I’ve seen a few funnier things).  He did catch fish and nobody else on that stretch caught anything on a BWO.  Whether luck or a good idea, I can’t say.

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I don’t know that I’d *recommend* it, but one of the people I fish with had on a big wool indicator for nymphing and switched to a small BWO when we saw a few come off.  He left the indicator on – funniest thing I ever saw on the river (no, wait, he also wears Aqua Stealth shoes, so I’ve seen a few funnier things).  He did catch fish and nobody else on that stretch caught anything on a BWO.  Whether luck or a good idea, I can’t say.

I usually just look for the rise when I’m fishing a small fly that I can’t see, but I think that often the fish just gently sip the fly in and I never see the take. That’s what was happening when I was using the big stimulator as an indicator. It would sink, I’d strike, and I’d have a fish on the small dropper dry fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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In another post I wrote that I was experimenting with two and three dry fly rigs, and that the big stimulator in front helped me see takes on the small flies that I couldn’t see. It occurred to me that in some situations, like dim light or glare, an indicator could be useful when fishing small dry flies, but I’ve never heard of anyone recommending this. I suppose it’s not the purest of pure dry fly fishing.

I’ve done that, and originally got the idea as a recommendation in a ffing book. The two applications I saw for this were fishing hatches so heavy that it’s hard to keep track of your artificial amid the naturals, and fishing very small patterns especially at a distance. I used this system a few years back, fishing to midging trout on the Bighorn. It was a lot easier to keep track of the yarn indicator than the #20-22 flies I was using. Also, using the yarn as a locator, I could often spot the fly itself. Maybe not the purest method, but it worked well. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks! Mark

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks!

Mark: It’s been a couple years since I’ve been up there, but I’d recommend three things: 1.   Check with Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading. 2.   Go farther upstream toward Blue somethin-or-other Lake.   The lower portions are really low, slow, and full of carp. 3.   Forget the Tully and drive up to the Little Schuykill.   It’s pretty close, and the FFO stretch is pretty.   Green weenies. Joe F.

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I remember reading that at an FFF conclave in Alberta, the keynote speaker, Lefty, was nearly late because he had been out on the river giving casting lessons to some kid he had met.  I too have not been impressed with all the folks trying to make a buck on the sport I love, and would not give lefty a dime for his web site–however, the story I read leads me to believe that his heart may be in the right spot. Eric Oden Boise

I think that lots of people in the fly fishing world are very talented but only the good guys like Lefty get popular with the public. When they hire him to work at a sport show they are getting a bargain. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I remember reading that at an FFF conclave in Alberta, the keynote speaker, Lefty, was nearly late because he had been out on the river giving casting lessons to some kid he had met.  I too have not been impressed with all the folks trying to make a buck on the sport I love, and would not give lefty a dime for his web site–however, the story I read leads me to believe that his heart may be in the right spot. Eric Oden Boise

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: — : Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a new bie??..Thanks..Dan : — :   : Dan Roberts : BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB PHARM. RES. CENTER      "Nature is last at Bats" : PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY U.S.A. PLANET EARTH, MILKY-WAY GALAXY

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Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a newbie??..Thanks..Dan —

Well, I don’t have any information, per se, but I do know a great book.   I think it is by Charles Meck, or Ed Shenk, but it is called Penn. Trout Streams and Their Hatches (or Something like that).  I read it, and it is great!  I plan to buy it because, as you, I intend to do some fly fishing in Penn.  Good luck. -Paul P.S.  Try Bob Clouser’s Shop.  I think it is near Harrisburg and E-town. *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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Dan,   I just booked a cabin and a guide for a float down the Delaware at West Branch.  My favorite fly shop near you is Brandywine Outfitters in Exton, PA. Give ‘em a try.  They are very helpful to newbies and provide guide services near where you are going to be…. Mad Dog P.S. my favorite fly shop name is the "Evening Rise" in Intercourse, PA…. —

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– Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a newbie??..Thanks..Dan — Dan Roberts BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB PHARM. RES. CENTER      "Nature is last at Bats" PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY U.S.A. PLANET EARTH, MILKY-WAY GALAXY

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