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In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile!

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In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile!

Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile! Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

Whoa. /daytripper (That there’s a whole lot of big damned salmon, sho nuff.)

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Steve, You need to come to Sacto soon (before it gets to darn cold) so I can take you boating down in the Delta for stripers. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile! Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

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A man could feed a family of four for a week with that big sumbitch.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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I will be on a business trip next week in the Northern Florida area between Jacksonville & Tallahassee and into some parts of Southern Georgia.  If all goes right I will have a day or two of free time on the company and would like to find some areas to go fishing. Can any of you out there direct me to someplace where I might have reasonable chances of catching fish?  What about some Fly or Tackle Shops that I should go to for supplies or advice? Thanks in advance Rob L

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I will be on a business trip next week in the Northern Florida area between Jacksonville & Tallahassee and into some parts of Southern Georgia.  If all goes right I will have a day or two of free time on the company and would like to find some areas to go fishing. Can any of you out there direct me to someplace where I might have reasonable chances of catching fish?  What about some Fly or Tackle Shops that I should go to for supplies or advice? Thanks in advance Rob L

If you’re interested in large Florida bass, try Lake Jackson, just north of Tallahassee and south of Thomasville.  If you are interested in going down to the coast, try Apalachicola or Cedar Key. HTH, R

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Give it a break Ken.

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Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

_______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

LOL, I’ve learned. Regards, Jeff

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Faeces to faeces? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.       Jim

In your opinion, FWIW. — Charlie…

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Faeces to faeces?

        we have yet another nomination for european post of the year! wayno

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?

Many have wondered whether this news group is necessary.  I am working on the definitive answer.  Will keep you posted.      

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Got May issue of Fly Fisherman today and the ad on page 11 looked like Walt tryingto guide me up Wilson’s Creek last fall.  Know its not Pamlico Jim as he would be running.  Picture on Page 53 shows spot where I camped for three days last summer. Rocks were not slippery, and no rododendums got in mnto my fly.  I enjoyed both and plan to attend both eastern and Western claves this manhattens.   No I do not plan to play tennis or get drunk.  Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face.

More like his ass and your face, George.  ;)

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I have many Tom Thumbs. Got introduced to it in British Columbia. Hook: 8 to 16, fine wire Tail: Deer hair ends Body: Deer hair is tied in at the tail with butt ends. The thin ends of the deer hair are pulled forward to form a sheath body and tied off at the head. Deer hair is then spread up or around to form a hackle. Light grizzly hackle can be added as a variation, but I usually do not. If you use thicker tying thread for this fly it is more durable. You may tie it up from bend of the hook to get better hhoking qualities. Data: The major dry fly of British Columbia lakes from sedges to tiny chironomids. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.        Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?     Meroli

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly.

Looks interesting, yet I’ve never heard of it.  Probably floats well – the first "deer hair hackle" fly I’ve seen (not counting Muddler Minnows, etc. of course).  Presents a bit of a mayfly look, bit of a beetle look.  Strange, but maybe it works. Regards, Jeff

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Huh…Been using this for years on Bluegills….didn’t know it had a name. Color does not seem important, gray to brown, all are effective. It seems that the more the fish chew it up the better it works. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli — http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!!

Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime…

For hackling flies, those Hoffman saddles are hard to beat, but for hackle fiber tails, bass bug hackle, streamer wings, and so forth, it’s nice to have a few Metz saddles (not microbarb) at the bench. I recently got a great deal on some bulk saddles at a local fly shop (3 for $5!!), that are being turned into pike streamers. I love my Hoffmans, but they just aren’t up to the job. Also, for anyone who like barbless hooks, consider getting a small pair of needlenose pliers. There’s a much wider variety of both flies and hooks in the barbed variety, all of which are easily debarbed with the pliers. BTW, some of the nicest brookies I’ve caught have been on yellow-bodied flies. I didn’t notice any yellow naturals around, but the fish never seemed to care, so neither did I (g). — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.

i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

— Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

– http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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_____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible.   I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it.   I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear.   I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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I guess it takes seven canoes AND a kayak after all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, but your average canoeist gets in the boat and immediately thinks of how to improve the bathtub.  A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat possible. Then why do I so many more extreme variations of kayaks than canoes? Economix? There are, conservatively estimating, 3 billion members of the potential kayak-buying public worldwide. There are about 150 canoeists. So any market fragmentation is much more likely with kayaks. Also: ease of use. Lettuce face it: it’s a Lott easier to roll a kayak than an open canoe. Size does matter, and it’s not always a good thang. This is a natural limitation on the OC Rodeo idea: only the true crazies consider buying rodeo OC-1’s. I’ve seen one on the river that I can remember: a Savage OC on the Tallulah Gorge. Rare have I seen a boat sans rider more often. Entrance, Oceana, Bridal Veil…literally everytime I turned around, that guy was swimming away from his boat! I’m soooo grateful to him for providing so much amusement for the Tallulah crowd that day. Riviera Ratt, # 77, Charter member of PFA 4/14/99 Still Rattless in ‘99!!! Click of the week updated 8/8/99 for a good time, call http://members.aol.com/RivierRatt/ratthole.html Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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<snip That one best all round canoe, then I met a guy I hadn’t seen in a couple of years, didn’t even know he paddled but was a fly fisherman ( so am I). In our conversation he stated that he owned seven canoes. < David Grabowski

Well, the guy’s a flyfisherman.  He probably has a dozen rods too, and probably 2 or three reels for each rod.  And 2 or three vests. Myself, I use my 8.5′ 5 wt. rod for everything, don’t have a vest, and paddle my Wenonah Solo+ everywhere I need to go.  But I have 5 PCs… –Stan

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[a nice description which could do nothing but damage my case, so I quickly deleted it] Yeah, but your average canoeist gets in the boat and immediately thinks of how to improve the bathtub.  A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat possible.

It’s ok though, you guys know where I’m coming from on my discription, fly fishermen, canoe paddlers or kayakers have all seen what I describe at one time or another ! If not , they will if they stick with it long enough. Excitement is great, boat design is great but none of it can beat out old mother nature, to me the canoe is the vehicle to experience it with. One day I might just slip my rickety bones into one of the *other* paddlers choices . Grabowski – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                   I have not yet begun to cry over spilt milk

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Yeah, but your average canoeist gets in the boat and immediately thinks of how to improve the bathtub.  A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat possible.

Then why do I so many more extreme variations of kayaks than canoes? — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://madcanoeist.4ever.cc

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Yeah, but your average canoeist gets in the boat and immediately thinks of how to improve the bathtub.  A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat possible. Then why do I so many more extreme variations of kayaks than canoes?

Economix? There are, conservatively estimating, 3 billion members of the potential kayak-buying public worldwide. There are about 150 canoeists. So any market fragmentation is much more likely with kayaks. Also: ease of use. Lettuce face it: it’s a Lott easier to roll a kayak than an open canoe. Size does matter, and it’s not always a good thang. This is a natural limitation on the OC Rodeo idea: only the true crazies consider buying rodeo OC-1’s. I’ve seen one on the river that I can remember: a Savage OC on the Tallulah Gorge. Rare have I seen a boat sans rider more often. Entrance, Oceana, Bridal Veil…literally everytime I turned around, that guy was swimming away from his boat! I’m soooo grateful to him for providing so much amusement for the Tallulah crowd that day. Riviera Ratt, # 77, Charter member of PFA 4/14/99 Still Rattless in ‘99!!! Click of the week updated 8/8/99 for a good time, call http://members.aol.com/RivierRatt/ratthole.html Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat

possible. Yes Galen… You are soooooo right! That’s why I see only *ONE* kind of kayak sold for *ALL* types of water… As a troll, this was not up to your usual standards…   jm — Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there is to be known.                    - A.A. Milne Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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You need a variable geometry canoe.

If the material were flexible enough, you could use wire rope to put tension around the top edge;  this would have a tendency to pull the opening into a more circular shape (wider) and pull the ends up (more rocker). Curt

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Actually, I’ve given some thought to how you could build one, for a particular novelty race that has one turn, although it’s very sharp. What I’ve got in mind isn’t technically a canoe, but more of a sit on top kayak built out of construction foam, hinged at the center so the rocker can be changed from flat to extreme by throwing a lever, then throwing it back when the turn is completed. It might even work.

See what I mean about canoes?  You can’t even dream about ‘em effectively.                    I have not yet begun to cry over spilt milk

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Actually, I’ve given some thought to how you could build one, for a particular novelty race that has one turn, although it’s very sharp. What I’ve got in mind isn’t technically a canoe, but more of a sit on top kayak built out of construction foam, hinged at the center so the rocker can be changed from flat to extreme by throwing a lever, then throwing it back when the turn is completed. It might even work. See what I mean about canoes?  You can’t even dream about ‘em effectively.

No, but canoes have made many of my dreams come true through the years! To sit on the calm waters of the north woods at near sunset, the mystical glow of the setting sun reflecting on the water, the sound of the loons bouncing off the hills and the sight of a long fly line settling itself on the water are dreams come true to me. Same for setting out on a favorite stretch of river or gliding into an eddy , gracefully turning up stream or to shore to set up camp, great stuff ! How about the morning dew or even frost outside at daybreak, heavy fog lifting off the river, the sound of the rushing water, the canoe sitting ready? David Grabowski – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                   I have not yet begun to cry over spilt milk

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[a nice description which could do nothing but damage my case, so I quickly deleted it] Yeah, but your average canoeist gets in the boat and immediately thinks of how to improve the bathtub.  A kayaker, on the other hand, gets in and paddles off, secure in the knowledge that a kayak is just the bestest boat possible.                    I have not yet begun to cry over spilt milk

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You’re title says it all — you’re right.

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Anyone been in the perfect all round canoe, that one that ends all thoughts of if it were more nimble, or less cumbersome, tracked better but still turned in moving water or packed out more, solos better and so on? I just had to inquire, I realize this is idiotic !

You need a variable geometry canoe.  Push a button & it goes from long & narrow with a little rocker to short & wide with plenty of rocker. — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://madcanoeist.4ever.cc

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Anyone been in the perfect all round canoe, that one that ends all thoughts of if it were more nimble, or less cumbersome, tracked better but still turned in moving water or packed out more, solos better and so on? I just had to inquire, I realize this is idiotic ! You need a variable geometry canoe.  Push a button & it goes from long & narrow with a little rocker to short & wide with plenty of rocker.

I’ll start working on the plans tommorrow! Grabowski – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://madcanoeist.4ever.cc

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You need a variable geometry canoe.  Push a button & it goes from long & narrow with a little rocker to short & wide with plenty of rocker.

Actually, I’ve given some thought to how you could build one, for a particular novelty race that has one turn, although it’s very sharp. What I’ve got in mind isn’t technically a canoe, but more of a sit on top kayak built out of construction foam, hinged at the center so the rocker can be changed from flat to extreme by throwing a lever, then throwing it back when the turn is completed. It might even work. — Wes

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My Ally Pak is a bit like this.  It’s flexible enough to respond to the way it’s loaded.  When in whitewater and big waves, I load it tight to center and it has nice rocker for turning and going up over breakers.  When I’m running flatwater, I load it more evenly and it tracks well. Brad "Alaska isn’t the Last Frontier – It’s the Last Bite on the plate." Ed Abbey

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You need a variable geometry canoe.  Push a button & it goes from long & narrow with a little rocker to short & wide with plenty of rocker. Actually, I’ve given some thought to how you could build one, for a particular novelty race that has one turn, although it’s very sharp. What I’ve got in mind isn’t technically a canoe, but more of a sit on top kayak built out of construction foam, hinged at the center so the rocker can be changed from flat to extreme by throwing a lever, then throwing it back when the turn is completed. It might even work.

Or you hinge it sideways so that it naturally turns in circles. — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://madcanoeist.4ever.cc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a variable geometry canoe.  Push a button & it goes from long & narrow with a little rocker to short & wide with plenty of rocker. Actually, I’ve given some thought to how you could build one, for a particular novelty race that has one turn, although it’s very sharp. What I’ve got in mind isn’t technically a canoe, but more of a sit on top kayak built out of construction foam, hinged at the center so the rocker can be changed from flat to extreme by throwing a lever, then throwing it back when the turn is completed. It might even work. Or you hinge it sideways so that it naturally turns in circles.

We have an insulation company locally, I don’t need to design much of anything, I ‘ll  have them blow foam insulation into my Camper until it’s full, mold a depression in it at the same time to sit in and then cut it in half. I think there is some light weight stainlesss tubing in my garage to make a lever from, the hardware store must have cable or rod to make actuation links from. The foam may stop the oil canning at the same time ! I should deck this thing, what to use for that, maybe plastic dip? Grabowski – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://madcanoeist.4ever.cc

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 I’ve had it, for years Iv’e been trying to decide what the perfect canoe is. That one best all round canoe, then I met a guy I hadn’t seen in a couple of years, didn’t even know he paddled but was a fly fisherman ( so am I). In our conversation he stated that he owned seven canoes. Now that must be the answer, because I havn’t been in the perfect all round boat yet, though I do like my OT Camper( could glide better or not oilcan) and really liked a MR Explorer I used once( was too heavy in Royalex for portage). Also liked the Grumman 17 ft.canoe I used years ago ( clang bang for fishing, dented and stuck to rocks, paddled good ). Anyone been in the perfect all round canoe, that one that ends all thoughts of if it were more nimble, or less cumbersome, tracked better but still turned in moving water or packed out more, solos better and so on? I just had to inquire, I realize this is idiotic ! David Grabowski

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Am planning to have my car break down in Eugene within the next day or so. Can anyone tell me about the good fishing holes or give me the phone number of a fly shop that might give me directions. Thanks! Bruce

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Am planning to have my car break down in Eugene within the next day or so. Can anyone tell me about the good fishing holes or give me the phone number of a fly shop that might give me directions. Thanks! Bruce

Try calling the Caddis Fly in Eugene. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Dave, Vermont is open until Oct 26 and then there are many exceptions, ie. major Lake  Champlain tributaries can be fished up to the first dam, etc. year-round.  And  effective mid to late November there will be 6 major rivers open to C&R  through the winter making them year-round trout streams. James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Spike Haines writes:

<<I am flying into Boston, renting a car and spending the next two weeks meandering up highway 95 through Maine taking side trips to the coast and inland. Our purpose is sightseeing but I might be able to sneak in a little fly fishing.  Any recommendations for a "don’t miss" stream? Thanks in advance. Don’t get caught "inland" on a stream.  Season is over.  However you can still  fish in Mass and (I think!!!!!) New Hampshire. Dave LaCourse

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My family is planning a trip to Canada in early June and I am looking for information on fishing resorts and guides.  Any information is appreciated and should be sent to me by e-mail.  Here are some of the conditions for our vacation. The resort should be accessable by car, within an 8 to 10 hour drive from Thunder Bay, Canada.  We plan to visit Thunder Bay during the first part of the vacation. Fishing guides are required. Fishing preferences are artificials and live bait (no fly fishing).  I am open to a variety of fish species, especially: lake trout, walleye and northern pike. — Kevin S. McDowell Customer Service Consultant/Management Analyst Minnesota Department of Economic Security http://mn.jobsearch.org Author of Creative Job Search Internet resources: http://mn.jobsearch.org/cjs/cjs_site/cjs-home.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My family is planning a trip to Canada in early June and I am looking for information on fishing resorts and guides.  Any information is appreciated and should be sent to me by e-mail.  Here are some of the conditions for our vacation. The resort should be accessable by car, within an 8 to 10 hour drive from Thunder Bay, Canada.  We plan to visit Thunder Bay during the first part of the vacation. Fishing guides are required. Fishing preferences are artificials and live bait (no fly fishing).  I am open to a variety of fish species, especially: lake trout, walleye and northern pike. — Kevin S. McDowell Customer Service Consultant/Management Analyst Minnesota Department of Economic Security http://mn.jobsearch.org Author of Creative Job Search Internet resources: http://mn.jobsearch.org/cjs/cjs_site/cjs-home.htm

Hi Kevin. There is lots on our website that I think will interest you. Perhaps the best place to start is with the Northwest Ontario’s Sunset Country Travel Association’s website at http://ontariossunsetcountry.ca . This organisation represents over 250 lodges and resorts in Northwestern Ontario. Also have a look at the Northern Ontario Tourist Outfitters at http://www.virtualnorth.com/noto/ . NOTO represents about 600 outdoor operators across Northern Ontario. You’ll find at both sites a members directory and online forms to request more information including vacation guides. Enjoy! Dan Good Virtual North

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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iI would like to thank all who responded to my request for books on "fly patterns". I now have a realy good list to choose from. I’m sure it will keep me busy all winter. Thanks Again

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Hi Gerald Happy to help, that’s what this newsgroup is all about. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Can anyone recommend a flyshop in Racine, WI (or further south) who could advise me on the steelhead fishing on the Root River?  Any guide recommendations? Many thanks, Bob McAnulty

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Can anyone recommend a flyshop in Racine, WI (or further south) who could advise me on the steelhead fishing on the Root River?  Any guide recommendations? Many thanks, Bob McAnulty

You could try the old Steelhead Hotline #. 414-382-7920. Another # used to work as well 382-7921 or 7929. I haven’t called these in about 2 yrs as the "scene" on the Root doesn’t do it for me (scene reads ‘mob scene’). I don’t know the flyshops in Milwaukee or Racine. Jon

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Hello Bob: Call Bob Blumreich at Silver Doctor Flyfishing guide service. (608) 756-2184. Good luck! Clay

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