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Blow Me! Op

I think I’ll pass. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Yeah.  <puffing up chest You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Messing up a perfectly good newsgroup so that Mr. McKenzie can’t enjoy it. Oh wait a minute.   On second thought… Fuckthat whining, bowlegged, shit-eating, cock-guzzling, limp-dicked, ass-munching, no-tooth-having,  fart-knocking, scotch-spilling, llama-fucking, foreskin-gobbling, chickenshit, redneck, po-dunk, meshugga, doodoo head. Joshua

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If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine?

It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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On second thought… (some expressions of disapproval snipped)

"no-tooth-having"?  Kind of rough on the new guy aren’t you?  :) JR

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here.

        well, i have managed to have my fill of you and i have posted here for at least six years.         this is not a place for children, wimps, fools, pig-headed twits, paranoid schizos, hypocrites, illiterates, dimwits, cowards, bullies, and chiefly, whiners.         this place is darwinian.  i suspect your life span could be measured in moments. wayno

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I *live* for threads like the one you’ve opened. If only killfiles had expiration dates and HWMNBM would post more, the fun would never stop!

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  I have been a lurker/participator of the NG for over a year.  More lurker than participator however one thing that I have noticed is if you ask a serious question you will get serious, honest and best of all excellent responses. There is a lot of experience at this NG. If you ask a hypothetical question you can start a thread that produces excellent theories and good arguments for each theory. If you ask a bullshit question or state an opinion.  Well you know what they say, opinions are like assholes, every one has a least one and this group has a lot.   The bottom line is you can tell a flame response by the first sentence. If you don’t want to read it, just click next. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine? It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining".

I disagree – I certainly wouldn’t flame someone who offered a legitimate opinion, expressed as such, about flames, etc.  But what possible difference can it make to those "unflamed?"  If 2, 12, or 30 people want to call _each other_ all sorts of things, and don’t target "civilians," why should the, er, non-combatants care?  Everyone is perfectly free to either read and enjoy/cringe, or ignore it, and unless they discuss it, no one will know what they do.  Therefore, I don’t see one person _telling_ others how to act as a legitimate criticism, I see it as a "power trip," or more accurately, whining because things aren’t the way the whiner wants them to be – "Waaa! _I_ don’t like this!  Change it now!"  Well, the participants seem to enjoy it, so why should they change to satisfy those who don’t even have to participate, or even see what bothers them?  Now, if someone simply wished to offer they were dismayed by it, fair enough, I suppose, but I must admit, I don’t even see the need or point in that, for the same reasons above. Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed.

Hang on, Willi, (and, as above, all IMO) – this isn’t somebody who was conned into paying his money to join a club, rent shelter, or whatever and showing up, and finding out that he was in danger of injury, things were too noisy to concentrate, or other happenings affecting his purchased right to "quiet enjoyment."  He got here via computer, and he had the ability to research what ROFF was like – other than referral, one HAS to search for ROFF as there is simply no other way to get here, and either way, one has ready tools to get a feel for what goes on.  Therefore, if one chooses to read ROFF, then one accepts that it is a free, but unregulated, forum, and one must choose what to read and what not to read.  Suppose someone "complained" that not enough <insert species here technique discussion took place, or there was too much "in jokes," or other "complaints?"   If one doesn’t like certain topics on ROFF, then don’t read them, but to try and make a NG conform to what any one person wants is not only just plain silly, it’s rude and arrogant.  Suppose he just showed up and started telling you how to run your business, your personal relationships, etc.  Now, if he had simply asked if ROFF was always like this, for the purposes of deciding what he wanted to do, I (and I suspect others) would have been much less sarcastic.  But to show up and start bitching about ROFF and making blind accusations, of the "we all know…" sand box gang-type is just asking for it (and who knows, maybe it’s a troll).  He obviously knows what a killfile is, so why not just use it if he can’t control what he reads, and save the "I’m new, here’s what’s wrong, and here’s the way it ought to be – my way" nonsense.   TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stay Tough Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Have you seen the movie "Gauntlet" where the good guy drives an armored bus through a whole messload o bad guys?  I hope you enjoyed it. Welcome, Scott

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Good post and many others agree with you. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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[snip] If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of

civilness, don’t bother replying at all. [snip] To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Mark, I agree with you whole-heartedly.  I appreciate (and desire) your call to civility. But, and this is *really* hard for me to say, BUT ROFF flaming is a work of art [sic]. I’ve been lurking on the group since August of 1999, and I haven’t seen anything change, no matter who says what to whom about whatever. I do participate on a local chat board (or whatever its called). Flaming akin to ROFF started up, and one of the worst offenders started complaining about all the flaming! I pointed this out, he changed his ways, and now the board is a *lot* more civil…until the next flame war starts… which is bound to happen. I don’t like reading the muck, but eventually it *does* die down. Even with the muck, there is enough real information that makes it worthwhile. I appreciate your contributions, and that of many others. I am a relative newbie at flyfishing, and am always trying to absorb as much as possible. Right now I’m not at the experience level to be able to contribute meaningfully to the ffing topics. But I will when able. When my opinions become strong convictions I’m sure I’ll open myself up to all sorts of flames. The linguistic content of the flames usually is a reflection of the strength of language used by the originator of strong convictions. It other words, you get what you dish out. It comes with the territory called netnews. Most of the chief flamoids have a history in this group that bears upon each thread. Now, if I was a *real* adult, I wouldn’t participate in this particular group. <G But still I still lurk (and occasionally contribute). Rob

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Blow Me! Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas, I’ll bet you couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won’t go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You’re a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, bleating calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling,giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in horified recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean-rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy,convulsing nausea of your own trite,foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale,flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper. On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness,You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed  flirt-gill. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape.Singularity stupid.Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupidity in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh. The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote,because, well… it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective… Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read,write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary  skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted,that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged"persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you. P.S. You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful,cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable,belligerent,opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted,racist, sexist,avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant,deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial,satanic,fraudulent, libelous, bilious,splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless,illegitimate,harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist,narrow,manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous,unethical, cultic,diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim,crazy,weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic,jargon-spouting,censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous,flagrant,self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion  P.S.  Have a nice day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny!

Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve.

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Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny! Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve.

Now THAT’S funny! Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny! Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve. Now THAT’S funny! Wolfgang

Good post and many others agree with you. R Et tu…?  (as in "e twei" not Brutus)

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BLOW ME! Op

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Good post and many others agree with you.

Now *that’s* funny!

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric…

Take off, you hoser. –Steve (oops, sorry. wrong McKenzie.)

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup,

Ah, well, let me warn ya about a few things.  One of the worst things a newbie can do is start explaining who is doing what wrong.  It just makes them look foolish…. and I’ve already managed to ave my fill of a couple characters on here.

Oh-oh…well, as you’re new and all, just tell Wolfgang which ones, and he’ll dispatch them for you.  He’s probably give you the dumbass discount if you ask stupidly enough….and I can tell you’re up to it… One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit.

Yeah, I can see what you mean, but while you may be "assanine," you’re not quite funny enough to be called sophomoric.  You nailed the bullshit, though!  And "one or two"?  Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine? If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email.

Aw, Da-a-a-d, lemmee tease the dumbass, please, Dad, please? I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member,

Oh?  Did you not mean to post this? and I really don’t give a damn.

Well, at least not after you spout off about it, right? Grow up and act like adults.

No, I don’t wanna!  So there! You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are.

Right, you guys, now come on and let’s hurry and join up with Marky’s gang before all the spaces fill up.  I, for one, would almost nearly mildly amused if I don’t get on board…. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading.

Little "remarks" and "jabs" – are those your kids?  Well, whoever they are, keep the little rug rats at it – this is the information age, after all, and they need to be able to read. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid.

But so much fun – I’m really enjoying this….BTW, wanna buy some nudie pictures of Dan Rather on eBay? If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all.

DAMN!  NOW you tell me… Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile.

Well, at least you and…er…um…well, OK, you ought to have fun reading your own posts after you killfile everyone that posts something you probably won’t like…. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

And speaking of things being tight, how many foot-pounds of torque do you use on your ass? HTH R

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<snipped snippy whine To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Feel free to add me to your killfile, you’re already in mine.  Honestly.  If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. –Your Buddy, Stan

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Mark…I was going to type something really compassionate and understanding…..even explain how I felt new…after only two or three years here…… …and then I thought about flaming – but I’m not really any good at it. I mean there are some pros here. I mean guys who do that sort of thin for a living…or maybe it’s just natural talent in some.. …but I think I’ll go camping. You see, I’m the resident lush and for that reason I don’t drink at home and I really want to have a couple of beers and watch this thread. It has a whole world of potential! john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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Um…Welcome, I guess. Now, either get to love the place, or do yourself a favor and fuck off. Hope this helps? /daytripper (Thank you for your support) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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blah, blah, blah

Heh, heh.  Ordinarily I would be delighted to fire the opening salvo, but there are a few relative newcomers who have yet to get first crack at one of these. Wolfgang who never tires of experiments in andragogy

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone. John Popp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the brookie and checked out the world cup website. it seems to be a very novel idea. has this been around for a while or is it brand new….also i am interested more in flly fishing than spinning. could someone recomend a good starter setup for a novice?  thanks RJ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Lots of very favorable posts have surfaced recently about the rods John mentioned…they seem to be very good rods for the $$$.  The only change I would make is for starters I would suggest something in a heavier weight line, say a 5 or 6 weight.  It’s a little more versatile and easier casting heavy nymphs, streamers and bass type flys. Good luck and Tight Lines! Natty

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone.

You will quite certinly go wrong with a 3wt outfit for a complete beginner. Get a 5-6 wt first. The heavier line gives a much better feeling for the timing than a 3wt. Casting is easier with a heavier line. Wolfgang — shconnect Internet Service Grosse Strasse 17, 24392 S

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Been doing some smallmouth fishing myself.  Its not well known out here; I had a number of trout fisherman try my drift without catching any trout at all.  Imagine that!   They gave up and left and I continued to catch an occasional 2lb smallie.  I have only recently discovered this fishery myself and it makes for  a really nice change of pace.  In fact I am going to leave the stone fly hatch on the South Fork to the YUFFIES and go looking for more smallie water.  I really like those fish… John.

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 The little 10 inch smallie inhaled Dale’s bug but Dianna was able to release with a twist of the wrist without lifting the fish from the water.  It was interesting to note that this section of river has excellent big Bluegill but all the strikes she had came from smallmouth!

I am sorry that the bluegill did not cooperate. I have a hard time testing the flies on smallmouth because there are so few around here. I am sure she had a smile on her face. Thanks for the trip report…I felt like I was there. Big Dale

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 At last, this past weekend saw the Rappahannock water levels fall enough to allow for safer wading.  My wife and I set out early (5:15 am) Sunday morning to be on the river before 6.  I had to make BIG promises about the rest of the day to get her up that time of the morning (4:30).  She actually beat me out the door and we arrived at the river as the sun was coming up over the river.  A long legged wading bird stood sentry on the water, his reflection mirrored in a quiet pool.  Two pair of Mallards moved noisily away from the bank as we walked down the trail.  Dianna carried the Connor rod to gain the advantage of the extra 2 ft. of rod length on this river and the extra weight of the line for larger smallmouth bugs.  I started with a Murray’s Leadeyed Hellgrammite behind an AirFlo super-fast sinking leader and 3 ft. of 1X tippet.  Dianna rigged the Connor up with a floating leader and a BIG DALE FOAM SPIDER.  Being nearly a foot shorter, Dianna fished closer to the bank and I took the middle of the river.  We worked downstream together.  She had the first three strikes and first fish.  Smallmouth bass were eager that morning.  The little 10 inch smallie inhaled Dale’s bug but Dianna was able to release with a twist of the wrist without lifting the fish from the water.  It was interesting to note that this section of river has excellent big Bluegill but all the strikes she had came from smallmouth!  In the meantime, I worked the deeper sloughs fishing the Hellgrammite across and down stripping back in slow twitches.  WHAM!!  A 14" fish!  WHAM!! his grandfather!   WHAM!! the fist fish’s sister/girlfriend (West Virginia?).  The morning was going beautifully.  Dianna paused after a few fish to sit on a large rock and just watch the river.  She spotted a muskrat swimming across and soon a Bald Eagle made his appearance. All fishing action stopped to watch that bird wing gracefully upriver. We fished a while longer then headed out to IHOP for a big breakfast of eggs and Harvest Grain and Nut pancakes.  The hubbub of civilization was just 5 minutes away from our wilderness jaunt on the river. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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At last, this past weekend saw the Rappahannock water levels fall enough to allow for safer wading.

        (neat report snipped) thanks for reviving some great memories of that gorgeous river! wayno

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thanks for reviving some great memories of that gorgeous river! wayno

We were fishing just about 200 yards downstream of where we were wading when Anthony caught his first smallie.  Warmer weather but that pink glow in the sky from sunrise and water temperature about 75.  Nice caddis hatch coming off. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » European flyfishing

European flyfishing

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It looks like I’ll be in Switzerland next August. I was thinking that this might be a chance to try some European flyfishing. Anyone have suggestions about what would be good that time of year? It doesn’t have to be near Switzerland. This is a free trip, so I can afford to splurge on extra travel.

August is not exactly the best time for fishing here, but whatever, drop me a mail a little before the time and I will arrange something. Do it at least a month or so beforehand, and I will try and organise a license and everything for you if you would like to have a go here in Germany. I will try and send you some info on Switzerland as well. Your best bet for reasonable fishing is probably Austria. Tight lines ! MC

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It looks like I’ll be in Switzerland next August. I was thinking that this might be a chance to try some European flyfishing. Anyone have suggestions about what would be good that time of year? It doesn’t have to be near Switzerland. This is a free trip, so I can afford to splurge on extra travel. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Survey: Your favorite all-around flyline?

Survey: Your favorite all-around flyline?

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

Mine is a Scientific Anglers Deep Water Express Shooting Head. Not a pleasant to cast, but it gets to the fish. Always have to go deep! Of course I’m on the West Coast. *peace* -Robert

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

Mine is the Scientific Anglers weight forward Ultra 3.  I have it in floating Sinshine Yellow, and sink tip in Buckskin.  Both are supple, but have a polished slippery coating.  They cast far! JB

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt. Mine is a Scientific Anglers Deep Water Express Shooting Head. Not a pleasant to cast, but it gets to the fish. Always have to go deep! Of course I’m on the West Coast.

My favorite in any wieght is the Wulff Triangle Taper Fly Lines.  These lines don’t last as many seasons as some others on the market but they are extremely supple, cast like a shooting head and best of all make roll casting in tight quarters a breeze. Good Fishing C. Segina

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Cortland 444 dt 5-6-7 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Prune Japanese Maple?

Prune Japanese Maple?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You do not specify what type of Japanese Maples these are, but…. I would recommend not pruning your Japanese Maple.  My wife’s grandmother had some very nice old maples that we had to prune every year, only because some gardner had once pruned them back.   Her/our experience was that once they’re pruned the pruned ends bush out and sucker heavily.  Every year these trees (15-20 feet tall) would bush out and become so thick you couldn’t see into them.  The pleasure of the japanese maple is the open, airy look, which was totally destroyed by the pruning. G-maw railed on and on every year about how they should never have touched those trees.  She was quite an experienced gardner and ikebana instructor, and knew her stuff.  In her opinion, the only pruning that should ever be done is to remove large branches to help promote the open feel these trees should have.  The natural shape is wonderful if you just let it go and grow up…

   My advice is also non-professional, and while I agree with these sentiments about what happens if you prune badly, it doesn’t follow that J. Maples shouldn’t be pruned.  It’s certainly true that if you lop off a major branch of most deciduous trees, the tree will put out many shoots from that point and generally look bad.  The proper thing is to prune early to establish the shape of the tree as it grows…and this pruning should generally be of complete stems or branches.  If you must cut off a thicker branch or stem other than at the base, it should be just beyond a smaller side branch that you expect to provide a better shape.  It may still be necessary to get rid of suckers, but they are easily rubbed off with your thumb when small, and the resprouting does not go on forever.   I too like the open airy look of a properly trimmed J. Maple, but this rarely happens by accident or neglect. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I LOVE THIS COMMENT AND INTEND TO PLAIGERIZE IT(SP): This is non-professional advice and if followed, voids your warranty… MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In our yard in Tuscaloosa, Alabama we have nice small three year old Japanese Maple  in need of pruning for better shaping, etc.  Is it OK to prune branches now

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Italy

Italy

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Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. :-( ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

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says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

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In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. :-( ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

Of course I’m refering to the fishing – this is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly NOT italy.as.a.country.sucks Mike

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Borneo FF info needed

Borneo FF info needed

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Hi guys-    Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

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Hi guys-   Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months.                 a. wayne harrison

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison

        No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word. -Me

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison         No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word.

I do not. RE: Fish in Caves… Once I was in a cave in Colorado that had running water in it (on an extended backpacking rip)…it was FULL of brookies…wierd little huge jawed brookies…that would hit anything. We ate a lot of them… We kept ‘em alive on a stringer…bonk one…cut off the head…insert weenie stick along spine and cook like a marshmallow.  DELICIOUS ! TimW

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Try contacting  Hock-Heng Pro Fishing in Singapore , they are pretty knowledgable from what I remember . Unfortunately I do not have their contact information anymore , but remember the name . G

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Sage Mfg – rod tip replacement

Sage Mfg – rod tip replacement

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Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified.

I was really pleased to hear this.  I use a custom built Sage rod and love it, but was thinking of going with Orvis on a new one because of warranty.  I hope the word gets to Sage haw important such service is to their sales.

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I have had a similarly positive experience with Sage. I broke the tip on my 366LL a couple of years ago and even though it was totally my fault, (slammed it with the truck tailgate) they fixed it for free. They have my loyalty. Kevin

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I had a positive (in my opinion) experience too.  I had a Nova (blemished Sage blank) 490LL and broke it while casting real hard.  Sage didn’t send me a free rod tip, but replced it at nominal expense (I forget the exact price, but it was like $25).  Given that it was a Nova and not a Sage, I was pleased.

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I have also had great service from SAGE, but at a price!  I broke the tip on a one year old 389LL and sent it to SAGE.  Much to my surprise, I received a replacement in 4 days.   Also to my surprise, I received a bill for $70 two weeks later.   Needless to say, my enthusiasm dropped.   With their "new" warranty policy, I guess I had bad timing.  

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Iguess I must be from the wrong side of the tracks. I broke the tip on a brand new Sage 4 piece, waited almost 6 weeks for a replacement ( most of the rest of my salmon season) and paid $34 US which  hurts after conversion to my currency. I can’t get too excited about this level of service.– Jack Botsford – Executive Director                      Tel (709) 722-3069 Newfoundland Alliance of Technical Industries           Fax (709) 722-3879 Box 41, Atlantic Place, 215 Water Street St. John’s, NF, CANADA  A1C 6C9

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Last June I purchased a Sage 4711 LLB blank from Patrick’s Fly Shop up in  Seattle, WA. I wrapped and finished it and a 497 RPL (I think). Took a month and a half to teach my wife (who says you can’t teach your honey) how to cast and went off to Northern Canada flyfishing. Came home and while over at the casting ponds, I asked if I could work with it. Well much to my surprise after a few casts it fractured just up from the joint. I’d been told that this might happen to two piece rods. None of this I blame on Sage’s part. I used 4wt line, but may have been casting too far. I called Patrick’s and asked about a replacement and was told to send it to Sage, which I did along with my story. And waited for a letter to advise me how much to send for the replacement. Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » Fly Fishinh list.serv?

Fly Fishinh list.serv?

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I read about a Fly Fishing list serve and I wrote down the address on a trout that I caught and released. Just kidding. OK. I’am Mr. Catch and Release. So, anyway…does anyone out there know of the address so I can get on this list serve? Thank you for your support. Remember: The future isn’t what it use to be. Mr.Polk . —

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In the body of the message type SUBSCRIBE FLYFISH.  You will receive a reply once the message is received and processed.  Fair warning…loads of messages!

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