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I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >Does this make a person a redneck or something?

No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. lm

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. So I can’t go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. -phy

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   {Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} "We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" "The truth about Packer’s Fans." "Go Packers!". — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >> lm >MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >"Go Packers!".

Do you extract these things from memory or from google? lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

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phy <phy…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns957255878F8FDphy00xyahoocom@216.168.3.44: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: >> I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >> anymore. >> Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have > been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use > to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see > some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. > -phy

I lost patience when I was about 5 years of age.  Never looked back.  Also I noticed that cutting fish open is really gross–hard to believe how much dissection I’ve done. — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > <a…@at.org> wrote: >>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>anymore. >>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>> lm >>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>"Go Packers!". > Do you extract these things from memory or from google? > lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over & over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode "Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:37:40 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> <a…@at.org> wrote: >>>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>>anymore. >>>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>>> lm >>>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>>"Go Packers!". >> Do you extract these things from memory or from google? >> lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle> >Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over >& over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons >though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode >"Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.  

I heard the mst3k guys on npr the other day, doing a play-acting synopsis of Sky Captain and the blahblah. I don’t think their schtick works on radio so much. lm

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

Do you live in a trailer park?

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… > "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any > fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. > So I can’t go. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen this weekend I might go. What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in message <news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com>… > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > >Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

Deer season is almost an official holiday here.

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance.

No but I eat fish. Does that count? – Michaela

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JayCee <jc38…@nospamhere.com> wrote in message <news:41598A86.B0921F7A@nospamhere.com>… > Don wrote: > > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > Do you live in a trailer park?

No, and my real name is not Billie Bob either!

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1 @posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I’ve been a couple of times this year to an overstocked pond.  Cast the bait, wait 30 seconds, reel in the catfish.  It’s what fishing was meant to be!

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> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

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 Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few hours. I’ll get into it if mine is a naggy.  :)

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409281105.ce258e7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… >> "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >> >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >> I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any >> fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a >> car. >> So I can’t go. >> > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen > this weekend I might go. > What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

I dunno. Trout I think. — "Landslide for Bush/Howard 2004" – Proud right wing fascist NAZI Darkfalz

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message <news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com>… > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like to fish. Can’t say that I have much luck at it. I’m like the cartoon character who casts his reel, feels a "bite", and then pulls out an old rubber boot. It seems like fishing is less popular now because the pace of life is too fast. Anything that requires much time and much patience has lost it’s appeal. I think most people just don’t have the free time to spend fishing. Unfortunately that’s true for me too. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

If it does, then I suppose I should start watching Hee Haw!

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in message <news:20040929004933.27025.00001448@mb-m13.aol.com>… > Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few > hours.

Ditto for golf.

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On 29 Sep 2004 02:14:09 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. >People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

Then why do you fish? lm

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Still off-topic. Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it > anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I just watched "A Perfect Storm" and got to wondering about fishing for the umpteenth time. My partner, Mike’s in the fishing industry here in Cape Town and he and all his friends love fishing. They often go away for weekends just to fish. One of Mike’s friends used to fish for a living (he still goes out to sea for work for two weeks or so every couple of months) and he would come home after being away for a month or two and go straight off for a weekend of bass/fly-fishing (not even sure if that’s the same thing). (Actually, I think his passion for fishing is what kept most of his relationships going for as long as they did. He has a tendency to get too involved too quickly and as this can sometimes scare people off, his passion for fishing would often take the pressure off the girl/ relationship.) Anyway, the reason I’m responding here is because I am wondering what the allure of fishing is. I mean, I think I understand the whole solitude/quiet thing. But that’s not enough. What else is it about? Is it something about fighting/using nature? What? – Michaela

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To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

Check this one out. http://www.ezflyfish.com/ez6wtoutfit.html Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I will second ezflyfish.com  I brought my wife the 5 wt. trout combo last week.  It is a solid buy for the money and ezflyfish/Wilson Creek Outfitters are a class outfit to do business with. Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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Thaks for the tip. Mike

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 1. reel to backing      granny knot 2. backing to flyline     double granny knot 3. flyline to leader      zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet      granny knot 5. tippet to fly      granny knot with spit

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You sure can’t fault a man that loves his Granny as much as Charlie loves his! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  1. reel to backing      granny knot 2. backing to flyline     double granny knot 3. flyline to leader      zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet      granny knot 5. tippet to fly      granny knot with spit

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

you first <g –waldo

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer you first <g

Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway… — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

Bragging time. How many people in ROFF has this happened to? Not me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Charlie Wilson writes: 1. reel to backing     granny knot 2. backing to flyline    double granny knot 3. flyline to leader     zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet     granny knot 5. tippet to fly     granny knot with spit

Priceless!!!!!   Save some of whatever you are drinkin’.  I need it.  <g Dave

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Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

I’ve seen video footage of the Aussie flyfishing legend Bushie who has a 10 or 12kg yellowfin tuna on his arbor knot for about 15 minutes, the fish was about 200m straight down. A true test of a man and his tackle – he finally landed it! I think Bushie believes in good arbor knots! Cheers John K

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Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

hell t, i gotta better idea. as you start to wind the backing onto the reel, allow for about 3′ to be fed through one of the spool ports. go ahead and wind the backing and line onto the reel taking care as to not entangling the length of backing that exits the reel via the desaignated port. astream, preferably in real big fish water… afterall, this is a manly test of wills…. knot the tag end of the backing to yer wanker. tight lines <g –waldo

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Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

It’s still a good idea to go ahead and actually tie an Arbor knot between backing and reel because you never know when you’re gonna do something clumsy and have to retrieve your rod and reel from the depths by pulling on the line. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway… Bragging time. How many people in ROFF has this happened to? Not me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back?

You mean a "Fortenberry?" No, it doesn’t count. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0.

Sounds suspiciously like releasing fish. Wolfgang um……unless you stomp on it’s head or something first, I guess

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0.

Thought you were against C&R? Rick

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back? You mean a "Fortenberry?" No, it doesn’t count.

RATS! I had that one covered Tell ya what, though: you only have that happen once before you’re really reely careful about that arbor knot… /daytripper (been there/done that/saved a Winston and a CFO-3…)

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That concept would cost me a fortune T-Bone. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing 2. backing to flyline 3. flyline to leader 4. leader to tippet 5. tippet to fly Any constructive inputs will be appreciated. Marius Jonker Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online http://home.intekom.com/TPS Umtata South Africa

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here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling 2. backing to flyline

Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line 3. flyline to leader

nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet

surgeons 5. tippet to fly

uni-knot

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here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling

Belayed slip knot.– An overhand knot is tied to the tag tip then a slip knot is tied so that the tag end is the slip.When the knot on the tag hits the slip knot it is belayed from further slip. 2. backing to flyline Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line

The Albright knot is remarkably similar to a basic knot taught in Navy Boot. The "Becket Bend". 3. flyline to leader nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet surgeons

 I like a blood knot here. 5. tippet to fly uni-knot

– Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

arbor knot 2. backing to flyline

Albright knot 3. flyline to leader

leader link or nail knot or needle knot 4. leader to tippet

surgeon’s knot 5. tippet to fly

clinch knot (or improved clinch knot) or non-slip loop knot Those are my picks. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following:

Since Wayno’s news server is acting up, I’m answering this on his behalf. 1. reel to backing

clinch knot 2. backing to flyline

clinch knot 3. flyline to leader

clinch knot 4. leader to tippet

clinch knot 5. tippet to fly

clinch knot Any constructive inputs will be appreciated.

— visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The thread LIVES! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling 2. backing to flyline Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line 3. flyline to leader nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet surgeons 5. tippet to fly uni-knot

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

Arbor Knot 2. backing to flyline

Zap-A-Gap connection 3. flyline to leader

Zap-A-Gap connection 4. leader to tippet

Blood knot 5. tippet to fly

Clinch knot ( 5 turns, not improved) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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1. reel to backing

Arbor knot 2. backing to flyline

Perfection loop in the backing, tied with a loop large enough to go around the whole reel. Nail knot with a Perfection loop on the flyline. This system will allow you to quick change a double taper streamside. 3. flyline to leader

Nail knot with a Perfection loop, Perfection loop on the leader too. 4. leader to tippet

Double Surgeon knot 5. tippet to fly

Clinch knot (5 turns, not improved) — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

I’l cast another vote for the Belayed Slip Knot. 2. backing to flyline

Albright?  I’m not sure what it’s called but I know how to tie it. 3. flyline to leader

Braided loop. 4. leader to tippet

surgeons 5. tippet to fly

Palomar, if the fly is big enough, otherwise clinch or improved clinch.  A Palomar can be a real bitch to tie when the fly is small and you’ve got to be careful–due to the nature of the knot–not to get any of the fly caught in the knot.  If you tie a Palomar on one end and a clinch/improved clinch on the other, the clinch will fail first.  Every time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any constructive inputs will be appreciated. Marius Jonker Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online http://home.intekom.com/TPS Umtata South Africa

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Thank GOD (and you, too, Steve) for an actual flyfishin’ post! Too good to snip – I’m leaving the whole thing intact! /daytripper (it’s gonna be one long GD winter!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The holiday season is just about done here now and I can return to my local streams from the ‘holiday’ I take from fishing this time every year… Oh, I fished once or twice,  once at the behest of my brother-in-law and his son.  Having invested a little time teaching them to cast previously, I was interested to see how they’d progressed … and their camp was near some of my favourite nearby mountain stream. Anyhow, I arrived later than I’d hoped (around 7am) and found them still in bed … AND  they left their fly gear at home and were bent on using bait and lures.  I guess its hard to give up old ways that you’ve had success with, they won’t leave the fly gear at home again.   There are lots of snakes (mostly tigers) in the area we were to fish… snakes weird me out, but some  birds help locate them – some of the larger species attack snakes that get too close to their roosts – the racket the birds make is fair warning … I haven’t seen that for a year or so now,  though I still see lots of snakes.  It is a pity the birds don’t seem to squawk and swoop the swimming tigers – another good reason to fish upstream. So after warnings about snakes,  watching where you put appendages, we set off to some relatively difficult to get to water … me pointing out likely pools where they may try their luck when I left at lunch time. An average day’s highlight – getting it all right – almost.  As we approached a pool through the bush I was yammering on about being cautious approaching pools … and right on cue the sight of a good brown finishing a rise  and slinking back into the depths of the pool put a nice little exclamation mark on my commentary.  The rise was in the bubble line at the head of the pool.  We waited, the three of us, but it didn’t show again in 15 minutes.  The lad became restless, and headed off downstream to the main body and tailout of the pool … there were fish there, I’d scouted it earlier while wading but I suspect they see a lot of hardware.   We wait … still nothing … patience deserts me to.   As the fly is worked across the pool to the bubble line and beyond to a rock ledge where I’ve had fish before, a commentary on roll-casting and working the head of the pool is met with attentive grunts and yeps from my brother-in-law … at the ledge a slick graceful rise and an audible slurp added the final touch.  The fish took a couple of metres of line and hung me up under a log.  My brother-in-law saw all this and commented that: "It was just like on television".   I wish I’d let him roll-cast that fly over there.   We shared water and heckled each other till lunch – the fly worked – the lures didn’t.   That evening they went to the places I directed them to earlier, and witnessed their first major evening rise and had their first major skunking. From the excited phone call I received later in the week thanking me, they described  "fish leaping and splashing … insects everywhere … no hope with bait or lure…It was amazing … ", the river did her part and I guess I didn’t do to badly either.   All that was over a fortnight ago, and today was very different – I was alone. Checked and dismissed some access points – god some people are thoughtless, littering imbeciles.  I really wasn’t in the mood for new water today anyway, I didn’t want to think to much about what I was doing. So it was back to a lowland haunt, where I know the riffles that tend to hold fish during hot weather … cool and drizzly mornings like this morning are invigorating for fish and fisherman alike after a hot spell. Fishing the riffles and bubble lines produced fish all morning till a weather change came through rather more early and a lot stronger than expected – I really hate it when a  tree branch  crashes into the drink next to me … still its probably a better ticker test than any ECG. Wandering the banks, thoughts tend to meander a bit – back to the trip above, health, scenery, the creatures …..   The wind picked up a little, the hills became visible as the clouds lifted.  The wind blowing over the hills causes updrafts and eddies on the hillsides much like a pool, but on a grander scale.  The remaining wisps of fog and mist clinging to the trees are sucked up into the cloud bank above the hills … I’ve been here a hundred times and not seen that here before.   A high-flying flock of Ibis had me mistaking them for cormorants and cursing their existence. Recalling the ROFF thread about cormorants had me wondering about some of the imbalances foist on the river recently. What about the last fish – it had gashes down its back – parallel scars. Ibis? – marsh birds I think … I did see a Heron earlier the water is so low – even for this time of year – the secure lies are becoming thin on the ground – so to speak.   Someone, with all good intentions no doubt, has decided to clear steep sections of the bank of all vegetation, reinforce them with tonnes of rock, and replant with what looks like typical suburban rockery plants.  Those plants will not survive the next flood. In the meantime, these sections of river have been denuded of fish habitat.  In one section this has caused an increased flow around a now uniform bend, which has virtually destroyed the pool that formed below it and has shifted tonnes of gravel downstream to be deposited on a beach that wasn’t there a couple of years ago. Rivers change but I prefer nature to do it … For some unkown reason, the Bellbirds were particularly plentiful today, their calls certainly add ambience to the river.  I think I winged a Wren on a back cast by the racket that exploded behind me on one cast.   Still it wasn’t as bad as the Swallow that tangled in my leader and hit the drink – what a ruckus – Swallow and leader survived.  What  the hell was making that odd call – it sounded like what I imagine to be the laugh of some ROFFians after to many stogies.  Possibly  black parrots, its that time of year … Steve

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Steve,   Wow!!! Who cares if it was long….you just made winter go away for a minute or two, at least. Thanks!                            Tom Littleton

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The holiday season is just about done here now and I can return to my local streams from the ‘holiday’ I take from fishing this time every year… Oh, I fished once or twice,  once at the behest of my brother-in-law and his son.  Having invested a little time teaching them to cast previously, I was interested to see how they’d progressed … and their camp was near some of my favourite nearby mountain stream. Anyhow, I arrived later than I’d hoped (around 7am) and found them still in bed … AND  they left their fly gear at home and were bent on using bait and lures.  I guess its hard to give up old ways that you’ve had success with, they won’t leave the fly gear at home again.   There are lots of snakes (mostly tigers) in the area we were to fish… snakes weird me out, but some  birds help locate them – some of the larger species attack snakes that get too close to their roosts – the racket the birds make is fair warning … I haven’t seen that for a year or so now,  though I still see lots of snakes.  It is a pity the birds don’t seem to squawk and swoop the swimming tigers – another good reason to fish upstream. So after warnings about snakes,  watching where you put appendages, we set off to some relatively difficult to get to water … me pointing out likely pools where they may try their luck when I left at lunch time. An average day’s highlight – getting it all right – almost.  As we approached a pool through the bush I was yammering on about being cautious approaching pools … and right on cue the sight of a good brown finishing a rise  and slinking back into the depths of the pool put a nice little exclamation mark on my commentary.  The rise was in the bubble line at the head of the pool.  We waited, the three of us, but it didn’t show again in 15 minutes.  The lad became restless, and headed off downstream to the main body and tailout of the pool … there were fish there, I’d scouted it earlier while wading but I suspect they see a lot of hardware.   We wait … still nothing … patience deserts me to.   As the fly is worked across the pool to the bubble line and beyond to a rock ledge where I’ve had fish before, a commentary on roll-casting and working the head of the pool is met with attentive grunts and yeps from my brother-in-law … at the ledge a slick graceful rise and an audible slurp added the final touch.  The fish took a couple of metres of line and hung me up under a log.  My brother-in-law saw all this and commented that: "It was just like on television".   I wish I’d let him roll-cast that fly over there.   We shared water and heckled each other till lunch – the fly worked – the lures didn’t.   That evening they went to the places I directed them to earlier, and witnessed their first major evening rise and had their first major skunking. From the excited phone call I received later in the week thanking me, they described  "fish leaping and splashing … insects everywhere … no hope with bait or lure…It was amazing … ", the river did her part and I guess I didn’t do to badly either.   All that was over a fortnight ago, and today was very different – I was alone. Checked and dismissed some access points – god some people are thoughtless, littering imbeciles.  I really wasn’t in the mood for new water today anyway, I didn’t want to think to much about what I was doing. So it was back to a lowland haunt, where I know the riffles that tend to hold fish during hot weather … cool and drizzly mornings like this morning are invigorating for fish and fisherman alike after a hot spell. Fishing the riffles and bubble lines produced fish all morning till a weather change came through rather more early and a lot stronger than expected – I really hate it when a  tree branch  crashes into the drink next to me … still its probably a better ticker test than any ECG. Wandering the banks, thoughts tend to meander a bit – back to the trip above, health, scenery, the creatures …..   The wind picked up a little, the hills became visible as the clouds lifted.  The wind blowing over the hills causes updrafts and eddies on the hillsides much like a pool, but on a grander scale.  The remaining wisps of fog and mist clinging to the trees are sucked up into the cloud bank above the hills … I’ve been here a hundred times and not seen that here before.   A high-flying flock of Ibis had me mistaking them for cormorants and cursing their existence. Recalling the ROFF thread about cormorants had me wondering about some of the imbalances foist on the river recently. What about the last fish – it had gashes down its back – parallel scars. Ibis? – marsh birds I think … I did see a Heron earlier the water is so low – even for this time of year – the secure lies are becoming thin on the ground – so to speak.   Someone, with all good intentions no doubt, has decided to clear steep sections of the bank of all vegetation, reinforce them with tonnes of rock, and replant with what looks like typical suburban rockery plants.  Those plants will not survive the next flood. In the meantime, these sections of river have been denuded of fish habitat.  In one section this has caused an increased flow around a now uniform bend, which has virtually destroyed the pool that formed below it and has shifted tonnes of gravel downstream to be deposited on a beach that wasn’t there a couple of years ago. Rivers change but I prefer nature to do it … For some unkown reason, the Bellbirds were particularly plentiful today, their calls certainly add ambience to the river.  I think I winged a Wren on a back cast by the racket that exploded behind me on one cast.   Still it wasn’t as bad as the Swallow that tangled in my leader and hit the drink – what a ruckus – Swallow and leader survived.  What  the hell was making that odd call – it sounded like what I imagine to be the laugh of some ROFFians after to many stogies.  Possibly  black parrots, its that time of year … Steve

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I’ve been told that the current up-and-coming pack animal is the lowly goat. I’m not kidding. I understand that the forest service uses them as pack animals in Idaho. They are very sure footed and can eat anything. They gotta be cheap, and you can eat them in a pinch or when you’re done with them.                         Dale Lindsley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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I’ve been told that the current up-and-coming pack animal is the lowly goat. I’m not kidding. I understand that the forest service uses them as pack animals in Idaho. They are very sure footed and can eat anything. They gotta be cheap, and you can eat them in a pinch or when you’re done with them.

        That was in 1995 in the Sawtooth NRA.  Might have been tried other places as well.   Didn’t work out and when I was back this summer, the goats were history.  Basically, they don’t do well when the person changes from trip to trip.  They take well to one owner and that’s pretty much it.  Not a good behavior pattern for a stock animal.  That was pretty much the behavior they had when my folks raised goats.  It always took some time before they could deal with changes in owners and routine.  The habit of eating anything was detrimental as well since they kept eating things which poisoned them. They are sure footed, we had to put the corner braces on the fences on the outside, othewise they’d walk up the brace and be gone over the fence.   Usually not far, we’d find them in the rhodendron – flat out with blue protruding tongue – take ‘em to the vet for the antidote. They did make good bar-b-que though.  Meat was a bit tough but I’ve never seen any that a pressure cooker couldn’t soften. Linux.  Isn’t he is the character that drags the blanket around all the time?

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That is a training issue I take mine up to the snow every spring. They carry the X country skis up. The group skis down and one person leads the llamas back down. Como Say Llamas www.llamapacker.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim- Funny you should mention Llamas, especially in Oregon. I was up on North Sister this weekend with an extremely experienced climbing friend. Anyway, he told me that one time, forget how long ago, he was up there and ran into a group of folks that had rented some Llamas for the weekend for just your purpose. The intent was to take them into Camp Lake by South Sister. Anyway, they got a ways up the trail and the Llamas absolutely REFUSED to cross snow. They tried and tried and tried, and couldn’t get them to cross snow. They waited a day and tried again. Nope. Not happening. If any of your trips involve snow, I’d check into this. Maybe it was just a training issue, maybe not. As far as I know, Llamas come from snow country but maybe if they’ve never seen it, they don’t want nothin’ to do with it. — Matt Jarvis addressing. I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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And some won’t cross large puddles if they can’t see the bottom. Obviously you want a trained one. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim- …. Anyway, they got a ways up the trail and the Llamas absolutely REFUSED to cross snow. They tried and tried and tried, and couldn’t get them to cross snow…..

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I just rented 2 llamas that hiked from Yosemite to Tahoe 153 miles. they crossed every obstical imaginable. They carried 90#s each and ranged from 8 to 12 miles a day with 1 lay over day. Como Say Llamas www.llamapacker.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And some won’t cross large puddles if they can’t see the bottom. Obviously you want a trained one. Mike Jim- …. Anyway, they got a ways up the trail and the Llamas absolutely REFUSED to cross snow. They tried and tried and tried, and couldn’t get them to cross snow…..

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Jim- Funny you should mention Llamas, especially in Oregon. I was up on North Sister this weekend with an extremely experienced climbing friend. Anyway, he told me that one time, forget how long ago, he was up there and ran into a group of folks that had rented some Llamas for the weekend for just your purpose. The intent was to take them into Camp Lake by South Sister. Anyway, they got a ways up the trail and the Llamas absolutely REFUSED to cross snow. They tried and tried and tried, and couldn’t get them to cross snow. They waited a day and tried again. Nope. Not happening. If any of your trips involve snow, I’d check into this. Maybe it was just a training issue, maybe not. As far as I know, Llamas come from snow country but maybe if they’ve never seen it, they don’t want nothin’ to do with it. — Matt Jarvis addressing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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Llamas are great on the trail, but you need special expertise to handle them.  They will eat anything that grows along side the trail. Including plants that will kill them.  The Mt. LeConte Lodge in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park is stocked via Llamas.  The handlers take them up the same trail three times a week, and know all the danger areas by heart.  Earlier this spring, a slide made their normal route up the Trillium Gap trail impassable, so they re-routed up Bullhead.  One llama keeled over dead right on the trail, and two others died back at the ranch.  They believe it was from rhoderdendron poisoning. Since then, they started using modified muzzels to prevent re-occurance. Also, even though they are easier on the trails than horses, many National Parks do not recognize this fact. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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You might check into goats. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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You might check into goats. Keith

     FWIW..  I was reading a book about flyfishing mountain lakes by a well-known (to fishermen, at least) author.  There was an entire chapter about pack animals.  The author said goats were the best, horses worst, and llamas and all others in between. — Yellowstone TRs:  http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~dha5446/hiking/yellowstone/

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In defence of the llama….They only spit at each other over food or females…unless poorly trained and abused they never spit at people.  In the back country they do less damage than a pair of hiking boots, due to their padded feet.They can be turned loose when at camp and do about the same damage as a deer. Como Say Llamas Llama packing and llama rentals www.llamapacker.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Know they spit when annoyed so duck a lot.One golf course uses them as caddies for the golf bags.Quite a sight-men wearing lime green pants and mauve and chartreuse shirts following a llama that poops all over the place-can’t quite housetrain them. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Know they spit when annoyed so duck a lot.One golf course uses them as caddies for the golf bags.Quite a sight-men wearing lime green pants and mauve and chartreuse shirts following a llama that poops all over the place-can’t quite housetrain them. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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I operate a llama packing business in CA, I also rent them. You might check out my site listed below I have some info about them. You need at least 2 llamas, as they are herd animals. If you have an acre that is more than enough. If you are just getting started I would recommend 1 to be trained…..This means trained on the trail, at least a season or a couple hundred miles of loaded trail experience. It will make your experience much more enjoyable as the trained llama will train the green one for you. I do not sell them, but I do know where they are (most of the time). llamas for packing should be tall and narrow, but most important is they have to have the right attitude. I would be more than happy to talk in detail about what to look for. The prices average $500 for an untrained ( or very little) to $1500 for a fully trained llama. As with a backpack and hiking boots, the saddle is the most important part, I recommend the Sopris saddle ( about $600) ouch…worth every penny. David Drewry Como Say Llamas www.llamapacker.com 916 923 0408

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a really screwed up knee and backpacking is getting very difficult. I’ve seen various pack animals on trails and I’m wondering about Llamas… what do they cost, what kind of care do they require, and what amount of pasture/property do they need? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Oregon The road goes ever, ever on…..

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

No.  I’d like to see it though.  That has become one hot light tackle fishery.  Since most people don’t like the false albacore, it is also a catch and release fishery, which will certainly help sustain the stocks as the popularity increases. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Yes.  It usually happens in April.  Worry not, I will be catching them! Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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   Congrats Jeff !!!!   Have fun Mike G.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

I paid a fair price to the dealer in my area that was most helpful. Amazingly, I was able to negotiate a deal without knowing dealer invoice, blue book value, and wholesale cost.  If you are serious about prices, I suggest calling some dealers in your area for some quotes.  Tell me what they are quoting, and I will give you my opinion on that price.   Scout makes boats up to 20′ in center console, dual console, side console, and flats style.  They are at www.scoutboats.com. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

Good guess, Skipper.  I got a dual axle trailer, and the boat is closer to 20′ than 19′ (19′ 10" LOA). Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff

Congrats indeed, Jeff!  It always seems that the first year or two, when you’re busy turning the boat into what you want it to be, are the most enjoyable.  We just switched and there’s all the usual redoing to change the obviously stupid decisions the manufacturer and previous owners made to the One True Path of Righteousness (and humility???) Enjoy!

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  Check in with North Country Anglers flyshop in N. Conway for conditions and great local flies.   The flyrod you mentioned is perfect for the Saco.  There will be clouds of black flies, but also some nice hatches.  Again, ask at the flyshop for what is hatching.  There’s also a bunch of other nice rivers in the area, the flyshop folks will tell you about them too. Have fun. Russ Gelinas

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Can anyone give me some info about the saco river and the fishing around the North Conway area? Im a keen trout fisherman (fly) from London UK and will be staying in North Conway in late June. I currently use a 10ft #5 Sage RPL+ – will this do? what sort of trout are there? what sort of hatches? can you fish the nymph? is there any other small lakes / rivers around that area? Please help if you can Thanks

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Good luck Thorsten

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: The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! : Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got : overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. : But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Actually, the European list *is* the UK one. As Thorsten noted, Steve Hogg, who set up the list at the U of Newcastle, had to shut it down when the University terminated all non-academic lists (on a couple of hours notice). The same day, it was picked up by Henk Verhaar at the U of Utrecht. The only hitch was that, due to the extremely short notice, it was not possible to transfer directly the list of subscribers; members had to re-subscribe to the Utrecht list. It’s a good list, but volumes are low. In contrast to the FLYFISH list at UKy, where 75-200 messages a day are the norm, EUR-FLYFISH can go for a few days with no traffic at all. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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A friend of mine needs some information on fly fishing the Chesapeake, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. He wants to know if anyone knows any good spots, how to access them, what flies to use, etc. Any information on guide services in the area would also be appreciated. Thanks!

Try Anglers Sport Center (410) 252-0556 in Annapolis, Tochtermans in Baltimore is at (410) 522-4237, Wolfs (410) 378-1112 in Ellicott City or The Fisherman’s Edge (Joe Bruce) is at (410) 719-7999 Catonsville.

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A friend of mine needs some information on fly fishing the Chesapeake, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. He wants to know if anyone knows any good spots, how to access them, what flies to use, etc. Any information on guide services in the area would also be appreciated. Thanks!

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My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. Thanks in advance,         EMM — Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building                                           Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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I do not recall a fly shop in town.  However, I would call Scott Fly Rods, who are now located in that town and ask them for either guides or info. They may have a B&B destination place in the area.  I thought I recalled seeing a flyer for that. Hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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edwin- she can go to Olympic Sports (which in 91-92 timeframe sold Orvis equip.). typically at this time of year the run off is still pretty high in the San Miguel River (which runs through town and down valley). The river also experiences a huge impact thbluegrass weekend due to a 1000% increase in the population fo telluride during the festival. the fishing in the san miguel is a lot of fun, and olympic sports should be able to give her a good fly selection (and a guide if necessary). she could also check out alta, trout, or priest lakes which are in the area. -ted

: My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for : the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is : there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help : with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies : can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. : Thanks in advance, :       EMM : — : Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering : phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories : fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building :                                         Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 : Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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