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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

What Willi said. Works for me. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age."                                                           —- J.W Muller

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Chances are your guides are worn out.  You probably have "flats" worn on the inside diameter of your snake guides.  Use a magnifying glass to see if you have worn out the inside of the guides as when you have flats you end up with very SHARP edges, which shave your fly line when you shoot the line. This shaves your fly line and in effect, destroys it.  Look also at the Tip-Top guide as this is the one which your fly line creases over 90* and does a lot of damage.  I suspect your fly rod needs reguiding. A quality line dressing will help and if you wish, you can visit the blue thingie enclosed in the sign off. Good Luck Tim, but I bet you’re going to need a new fly line also.  Hope not, but what you describe doesn’t sound very cool. Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-StreamSide-PZ-LineCleaner.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? — TL, Tim

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       The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let    line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly    line? How often do you clean and treat the line?             and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides?         riverman         How often you clean a fly line has alot to do with where you fish. Some waters, although they might look crystalline, tend to get a line dirty in short order. The composition of the banks also plays a part. If my line starts sinking when fishing, I generally just pull it through a piece of chammy. For a good cleaning, I first wash the line in warm water then use a line cleaner. I’ve used a number of different brands and have no preference. I occasionally give my rods a coat of car wax and in the process, the guides do get a coat of wax. It does seem to help shooting line but only for a very short time. It does help protect the rod and helps shed water. Willi

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

I generally clean and condition my line after ~20 hours of use.  I use mild soap for the cleaning, and a conditioner produced by Scientific Angler.  As for the guides, I coat them with a thin film (just enought to leave a fingerprint when touched) of Super Lube (a silicon based gel lubricant with teflon) once a month.  AFter applying the Super Lube I wipe any excess off the exterior of the guide loop (since this is only needed on the inside of the guide) in order to keep the inside of my rod tube clean. Using the above methods, I’ve noticed increased shooting distances, improved line floatation, and greatly extended line life.

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? — TL, Tim

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

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It’s been a while since I actually went out for brookies, and I forgot how hard they hit. It was worse than a pike hitting the fly. I landed three in the range of 14-18 inches and almost lost the pole on the first one.

Yowza!  I’m a little familiar with the area and I’ve never even heard of the water you’re talking about.  Thanks for the report – I printed it off for my "files". Regards, Jeff

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I just returned from a trip to Northern Ny and had a blast up there. Had a few days of good fly fishing on some small streams that are not all that popular or even that large. I started out on Plumb Brook near Degrasse, NY. I had a limited amount of luck that day. Too bright out. About the only day of sun for the two weeks I was there.Got hold of a couple of small brookies and some chub minnows. That was it. The brookies ranged from 4-9 inches but they were fun. I finally can say I got one of my own flies to catch a fish. The next day I got out was to Harrisville (my hometown) and to the Oswegatchie River. Not a lot of luck there, but the river was low for this time of year and the browns seemed really spooky this year. Saw about 40 of them, but no takers on any fly tossed at them. Next it was on to the really small streams. You know the ones…only about 1-5 feet across and usually have a couple of beaver dams around them. Well the water level here was way up and the brookies were out in force. As soon as the fly hit the water, they were out of it after it. More often than not, they missed the fly completely. I caught 40 small ones (once again 4-9 inches long) and saw a few flashes that made my mouth water. I was using a #18 willy’s pip in black with a 3/4" tail. This made them mad since they kept missing it in the water rushing over the dam. I switched to a #10 green and grizzly wooly bugger and thats when the big ones started to hit hard. It’s been a while since I actually went out for brookies, and I forgot how hard they hit. It was worse than a pike hitting the fly. I landed three in the range of 14-18 inches and almost lost the pole on the first one. Wasn’t expecting the pole to be jerked so hard. Pulling them from the hole in the dam was a trip. I thouroughly enjoyed all three hours that day. Ususally when you mention NY and fly fishing, the only places you ever hear of are the Delaware, Battenkill,  Ausable and the Salmon Rivers, but I am here to tell you that if you drive from Watertown NY up Route 3 through Harrisville, Fine, Star Lake, and farther up to Lake Placid, you should hit every little tiny creek, stream and river you see. Some of them will make the whole trip worth while. The trout you will encounter will be brookies, rainbows, and browns (some of which are in the 5-8 pound range). Try little river in Star Lake for Browns. Very large and mean. I talked with a man at the TNT tackle shop in Edwards and he told of 18-22 inch brook trout in Plumb Brook and Elm Brook. Gotta love that. Just goes to show that the most popular places aren’t always the best. Hope you get a chance to try out some of the areas in the near future. I will see some of you up there in October. Some browns and salmon with my name on them. Gonna take a first time fly fisher with me to see how he likes a 40 pound salmon on the end of a 7 wt fly rod with only a 10#  tippet. Good fishing all. The worst day on the water beats the best day in the office. Gordo

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Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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For a start look at Meck’s MID ATLANTIC TROUT STREAMS AND THEIR HATCHES. I fished Big Flatbrook last father’s day with my daughter. After 35 years away from it, its incredible what a good job NJ has done with this and some of its other streams. Advise: Get a very detailed map. The scale is deceptive if you are used to the West, ie lots of narrow winding roads, hidden crossroads, little villages, the NJ of my youth. The river is holy water and is truely a challenging experience compares more than favorably with any Eastern river I have ever fished. Locate the "ROY Bridge" and work up from it to get into a fly-only section. Work down from it and its just as good! Avoid the big holes, and avoid people its that simple. Walk in a ways and I think you will find some fine fishing and what I will swear are native Brookies in the 8-12 inch range. I think that’s incredible for a place maybe 50 crow miles from Manhatten. The fish I caught were back in what I call the "headon rootballs:" places where the current smacks right into a root obstruction. So if you are using drys (it was spring and I was using very small tan stimulators fished "damp") You are going to have to float your fly on this very fast water to about an inch of the tangles to get any action. You are going to lose flys but It works.  For Brookies I think your stalking is more important than your pattern. Dave Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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While you’re in the area, try the Little Flatbrook.  Lot’s of native brookies if you can get way back in away from the parking areas.  Beaver ponds are real hotspots. As for the Big Flatbrook, I wouldn’t start fishing it until the stocking season ends unless you like crowds.  By July, the wormers are gone and you have a better chance of having a stretch of river all to yourself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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Try "Millbrook"  -  it’s a few mile south of Flatbrook (on the same road.) Nice scenery and a real nice stream (at least it was 45 or 50 years ago!!) Tight lines, Ed

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Do you mean Millbrook Village?  I ‘ve never heard a stream by that name south of the Flatbrook.  Van Campens Brook is the only stream I’m aware of in that vacinity.  Perhaps they changed the name. Rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try "Millbrook"  -  it’s a few mile south of Flatbrook (on the same road.) Nice scenery and a real nice stream (at least it was 45 or 50 years ago!!) Tight lines, Ed

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<Snip  You may want to underline it by one size.  In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry

I would concur with this idea.  In fact, I did just that on my South Bend mod. 59.   The rod’s rated for a 6 weight, but I use a DT5 on it and it casts great.   The rod has a stout "bass action", but I can cast dry flies with noticeably greater speed, pinpoint accuracy, and the delicacy of a two weight.   IOW:  Try it! Good luck… Homey

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<snip Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made.  He started there in 1926.  The Model Number 47 describes the rods action.  In this case, a stiff or Bass Action.   100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action.

<snip again Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359

Hi Al, If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this scheme? Just wondering… Homey

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If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this

scheme? Just wondering…<BR Hi Homey South Bend made most if not all of thier rods in thee actions. Bass Action model numbers with   *xx* Wet fly or Trout  modle numbers with   *1xx* Dry Fly Action modle numbers with *3xx* This is for the three piece rods. The rods all had the same hardware and wraps, only the taper was different. So a modle 59 would be a fast action rod, a 159 would be a slow or wet fly action rod, and a 359 would be a dry fly action rod – medium to fast. The modle 59’s were made, depending again on the handle and sticker sometime after 1936 and originaly sold for $5.00 to $9.35. If the rod has a grip that has distinct lines in it, and a thumb rest, called by South Bend a Comficient Grip ( comfortable and efficient ) it was made after 1939, which is when South Bend first started using these grips.  The reel seet will also give a clue as to the rods age. You can pick these rods up pretty cheep, around $125 to $150 and they are ok casting tools and good old everyday rods.  I have an 8 1/2 ft  359 that I have completely redone with modern hardware.  It is a fun nymphing rod.  Although it is a bit heavy.  There isn’t much collector interest in Sout Bend rods it seams becasue they were mass produced, made on milling machines and the sections came from different culms of bamboo.   But so were many other companies rods.  Some big names too that just might shock some people.  It is interesting to read in Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker, his attention to detail and quality when he was at South Bend.  My personal opinion is that these rods are somewhat undervalued and one day just might get some recognition.  This is in part becasue Wes Jordan always worked for a company, and never produced rods under his own name, so the lack of recognition follows..  For right now, if you want to have some fun fishing cane for a not a lot of money, a South Bend rod just might be the ticket.  You can fish them as is, or, if they are in need of some work, replace the hardware with modern stuff and have a decent cane rod.  The ferrules are the keys, make sure you have a good fit and that they are tight to the cane.  My 359 throws a DT 5 very nicely, mends well, and if I fall down and brake it, well, it’s not a Leonard or a Payne.   Mike Sinclairs book, Bamboo Rod Restoration has a chaper in it in South Bend rods, and has some good advice for those wishing to refinish or even resore an old rod.  For $25.00 it is not a bad refference to have around. Well, see, you asked a simple question and got me started )  Hope this helps. Al

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Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ratings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section. I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda

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(snip) I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda

Which model of rod is this?  I believe South Bend made several models/price ranges/quality etc.  Also…if memory serves me correctly, the line size that you mentioned is about an eight weight.  The HCH signified a double taper line and the GBF a weight forward.  This was back when they marked line by diameter….and not just weight.  Today’s lines are categorized by weight….as you know.  By the way, my first fly rod was a South Bend rod that my dad gave to me.  I wish I still had it. One other comment on line sizes for old bamboo rods….  Back in the "good old days", we accepted a slower action than is now standard in most rods. Consequently, you may find that the recommended line size is too heavy for your casting style on the South Bend rod.  You may want to underline it by one size.  In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry

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Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine

feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ra0tings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section.<BR I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in

particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. Peter, Your rod was made sometime after 1936.  If you could describe the grip and the decal,  I could date it much more acurately for you.  It it has the Comficient Grip, with a gold decal, it was probably made after1939.  If the decal on the grip is a yellow rectangle, the rod was made sometime after WWII. Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made.  He started there in 1926.  The Model Number 47 describes the rods action.  In this case, a stiff or Bass Action.   100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action.  The HCH refers to a modern DT 7 and GBF is the equivilent of a modern WF8.  The rod sold for around $10.00 to $15.00 depending on when it was made.   A good refference for South Bend Rods is Michael Sinclair’s Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook and Dick Spur’s and Gloria Jordan’s Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker.  Gloria Jordan still lives in Manchester Vt and runs a fly shop there. Hope this bit of info helps. Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359

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You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

Last summer my kids used gummy worms at my father-in-law’s farm pond, and caught a couple of catfish and a largemouth.  It was a very hot day though, and before long, the rest of the worms had melted into one big glob  :-(

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME .. Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands. Good fishin’ Garry

You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

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Try livebait, if you don’t catch something soon, change body of water; experiment!… Take your time and observe what’s going on around you  [and definitely, READ].

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Some basic rules :  Use purple or Grape colored 6in. plastic Throw in rock piles & heavy brush near shoreline off the main channel move plastics about 6_12 in. at a time in slow or fast jerks. Always pause for a moment between jerks. thats when you watch the line for twitches . At this point set the hook as hard as you can.                  try this.

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 T I M E…YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT YOUR TIME IN…..AND AS FAR AS YOUR NEIGHBORS GO…TELL THEM YOUR A CATCH AND RELEASE TYPE OF GUY…CONSERVATION…..YOU WANT YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN TO CATCH FISH ON CATCHING SOME FISH ,START FISHING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE,WATCH WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!! HOW THEY CAST,BAIT ,RIG THEIR POLES….TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE LURE,SLOW,FAST,BROKEN RETREIVE) DONT BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS…GO TO A COUNTY LIBRARY…READ….ORRENT A MOVIE…THEY SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO’S ON ALL TYPES OF FISHING….ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME …I HOPE THAT WILL BRIGHTEN YOUR

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Suggest you try Lafayette Reservoir during the winter months for trout.  Use four pound test, with a small slip sinker, that ends at a snap swivel; a leader of 18" to 24" with a snap swivel on one side and a size 14 or 16 gold treble hook on the other; baited with rainbow, flourescent orange, yellow or green power bait.  Take a row boat to the East Cove in the morning before the sun hits the water.  Cast and let it settle to the bottom – wait.  This is a great way to catch stockers up to 5 lbs.   It is what I usually do when the Sierra is in a cold freeze until the rivers are open for flyfishing.  Wear WARM CLOTHES.  Tight lines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME ..

Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands.  Good fishin’ Garry

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I’d say Chris covered the best basics, and I’d like to add this cause it happened to me when I started fishing years ago. Do not,I repeat, do not sit around all day Saturdays watching Dance, Houston, Winkleman, Orlando, Lindner,etc , because you’ll wind up tossing 2oz.spinnerbaits, porko fanbelts, carolina rigs, pop-r’s and  rattletraps  tied to 50 lb spiderwire  on some big ass 7 foot pole. Your on a "shit" streak,so rig light line no bigger than 6lbs. for a while. Remember that plastic worms are still on record as catching more bass in more situations than any other lure including live worms. When you are absolutely sure you are fishing too slow, …. SLOW DOWN some more!  "Do sumpin" lures often do something all right .. they keep you casting and retrieving so much,a fish would need a rocketpac just to catch the ‘ damn things! hope this helps ..Saint                                            *Z*  ~ The Saint                                                        

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Makunke writes:   I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? Kirk,’Fraid not.  The problem is folding or telescoping back up after you’re done using the thing Kirk, another problem with Folstaff is storage. Should you keep it in your car year-round, unassembled, the bungee has a tendency to take a set, preventing future secure setup. A Folstaff, which relies upon friction, really locks up.

I have been happy with my Folstaff for the 10 years I’ve used it. I do not lubricate the joints as my expereince is they can vibrate loose in heavy currents. I tap them lightly with a rock when I need to fold it down. Perhaps inconvenient for some but it works fine for me. Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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I made a simple one for my wife.  It was wood, about a meter and a half long with a rubber foot from a cane on the top end. She likes to lean on the end. The other end was fitted with a 1/2 inch copper coupling and cross pinned through the wood and copper with a brass rod to hold the coupling out by a couple of centimeters.  The copper tube cut through moss and algae for a better purchase on slippery rocks.  A loop of nylon with a stainless clip finished it off.

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  I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? I have been happy with my Folstaff for the 10 years I’ve used it. I do not lubricate the joints as my expereince is they can vibrate loose in heavy currents. I tap them lightly with a rock when I need to fold it down. Perhaps inconvenient for some but it works fine for me. Ralph H

The folstaff flexes a little and didn’t feel as secure as an adjustable length carbide tipped cross-country ski pole. The basket is removeable. I set the height to just at the top of my waders so if my hand gets wet I know not to take that step. It reduces down short enough to fit in my fat multi-rod travel tube. Mark Vinsel —   new web address:  http://www.vinsel.com

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I’ve taken to using a Folstaff and find it adequate if unaesthetic, although it’s certainly portable. Just keep the joints greased with a candle butt or you’ll never separate them. —

  Greetings:  I’m on my second Folstaff now. I like the larger version; the small one is a little too wosy to inspire my confidence in this contraption.  When the joints get wet and hard to separate, I find that tapping….er,…OK, _whacking_ the thing on a dead tree trunk, (or fellow fly fisher who is catching more fish than you),  will loosen up the joints if you kind of twist them off. (On the Folstaff, I mean…)  :-)   Cheers, and tight lines,   -Mark

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I find it a nuisance to carry a full length staff while hiking along a river/stream.  I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? Thanks, Kirk

Kirk, I bought the Orvis one since I  didn

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

Try a recipe for the Giant Bunker fly described in any saltwater fly patterns book. Alewifes look remarkably close to Menhaden (Bunker). Herring immitations should also be good. Hint: use Bozo hair from Elite. Jose

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

Well, having fished for Northern and Muskie this last summer up in Lake Of The Woods, I no longer thing of a 3" streamer as a ‘big’ fly. Kinda small, actually! <grin Anyway, go with "old reliable" – a Clouser Minnow, with a grey back and white belly. 3" is only about a #4-4XL hook. Use either bucktail or, if you want something REALLY flashy, silver and white Flashabou _dubbing_. They’ll do the job! — Joe Ellis       o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()X  Darwin (;       Now on the Web at      | Fairfield, OH 45018 //~~~LL~~~~LL~ http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at US$25 hr/2 hr min.

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Try a traditional little brown trout or something like a Silver Doctor. Okay, I’m out of date. — — Louis Bignami Visit http://www.finefishing.com Over 400 articles! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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Try a Gray Ghost.  It’s deadly. MZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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I don’t know about where you live but a big brown egg sucking leech (heavily weighted) with some yellow maribou mixed in with the brown/black maribou for the tail is my FAVORITE spring-time brown trout fly. I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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Agree about grey ghosts. Also, try a "beer-belly" zonker in white.

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it!

Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Damn the bandwidth… Full speed ahead! I bet there a lot of great pics out there. Maybe we could develop a huge base of FF related clip art. The newletter people could alway use a good photo or drawing. dawsonH

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

A binary is generally a misnomer when it comes to how they appear on newsgroups.  A "binary" will generally be stored in uuencoded format or be a MIME attachment.  In either case, it will appear as ascii characters but not readable.  Once it’s decoded it becomes a binary.  A scanner is useful for *creating* binaries but there are other alternatives.  Places like Kinko’s will scan pictures for you and put the binary on a floppy. A lot of photo developing places now offer your pictures digitized into gif/jpeg files and returned on a floppy.  There is a place near hear that does it for $4 a roll of 24 exposures.  On the other hand, scanners are starting to get pretty cheap. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

Tim is proposing a group in the alt hierarchy which means that the creation process is much easier then a group proposed in one of the *Big Eight* newsgroup hierarchies.  My first suggestion would be to take a look in alt.config and it should provide a newsgroup creation process.   It does no good whatsoever to post an "I vote yes" article here.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

If there is interest, I will.  Thanks. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies?

And this little troll ? <g Where’e the smiley dave ? Hey Dave… I *tried*.  But was defeated by those much. much wiser then I. I *tried* hard to get a talk or politics subgroup in lieu of .tying, and was humiliated for my efforts… Don’t blame me, that’s fer damned sure… TimW

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      Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not   sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner   to upload?     No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.     You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera   or video capture.     After that, it’s really easy.     TimW Sounds like a good idea to me. Getting something like a "Snappy" and your camcorder might be the cheapest way to go… Ted…

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimWUsing binaries may seem scary at first but you can buy an Epson Photo PC

camera for less than a quality rangefinder automatic and it is truly automatic. Plus there are no film charges. The output is straight to the screen VGA in living 24 bit color. No scanning. No film and no prints. I use on a LOT and most of the closeups in Master Angler were done with one. Resolution problems? I dont think so! The insects look like they might bite and you can see every hair on a fly pattern. When you figure what you pay for a roll of film and development the camera pays for itself in a few months if you do any sort of photography. Hand scanners are dirt cheap now and they have excellent resolution. I have 3 scanners and any of them can scan a print and if your steady with the hand scanner you cant tell the difference from the flatbeds. Video capture is quite easy now but this would be my last choice. It works but not like the camera or the scanner. Digital video has come a long way and is a boon to those of us who want to keep our copyrighted videos from piracy as you get in VHS but the quality is not as good and either are the video captures made with the boards. If the lighting is good however they are very acceptable. Alt binaries is a medium we need to fill in the blanks. There are nuances in fly patterns tht will never be transmitted via a written materials list. I would vote yes Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

I agree.  Then we could post pictures of fish we caught, places we fished, whatever… Nicolo

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

Even better! Ever try to tie a new knot from typed instructions? — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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The response seems to favor it.   I tell ya what…if it’s an alt group, it seems like it would be not at all hard to do.   In order to get some respect in that area…we’d have to get on some scans and get some traffic going.   As it stands, the ng would be between .erotica and .fine_arts, not a bad place to be, but I can see a few of us getting lost up or downstream… I might just go ahead and create it.   TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave

Go fer it! Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

I’d vote yes. Charlie…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW I’d vote yes. Charlie…

Same here. – August Kristoferson Watercolor Fish Art http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Great idea, and I must say its nice to see you off the dogma kick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

 Sounds good to me  HM

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Great idea. Mike

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them?

Buy me a scanner Rick and the traffic will not be slow.   I would like to have the newsgroup in my list, when there is an image, I would almost certainly view it…wouldn’t you ?  I’d bet there is some incredible photo talent out there.  Even to be graced by some images of incredible watercolors I’ve seen by some of or friends. I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Go fer it! — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? jg

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture.

or simply have them developed onto a photo CD. TimW

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.   You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimW

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We are announcing the opening of a new full service catch and release flyfishing  resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge  has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per week and features gourmet foods,  outstanding new accommodations and twelve miles of virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Good populations of  browns, brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows in the same water.  All walk  and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  For further  information, check out http://www.paloverde.com/~lilgriz/lgc.html or e-mail Tatum, Paradise Valley, Arizona  85253, or call 602-952-9732 for brochure.

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We are announcing the opening of a new full service catch and release flyfishing  resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge  has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per week and features gourmet foods,  outstanding new accommodations and twelve miles of virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Good populations of  browns, brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows in the same water.  All walk  and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  For further  information, check out http://www.paloverde.com/~lilgriz/lgc.html or e-mail Tatum, Paradise Valley, Arizona  85253, or call 602-952-9732 for brochure.

If you need a review, please call… Tim Walker Colorado Virgin Fishing Water Critic At Large

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Far be it from me to criticize anyone trying to turn a buck, but it strikes me that this is what gives flyfishing a bad rep.  Oh well, it’s opening day in Pennsylvania tomorrow, the streams are well stocked, and it’s time for me to go out back and dig a few worms.  Anyone know where I can get some Powerbait between now and 8a.m.?                                          Mark Faulkner

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(Frogspritz) writes: Far be it from me to criticize anyone trying to turn a buck, but it strikes me that this is what gives flyfishing a bad rep.  Oh well, it’s opening day in Pennsylvania tomorrow, the streams are well stocked, and it’s time for me to go out back and dig a few worms.  Anyone know where I can get some Powerbait between now and 8a.m.?                                         Mark Faulkner

Oh, I thought he meant flyfishing resort water with some new Colorado virgins in it. I was trying to figure out how they made those girls virgins again.

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

I have always enjoyed using soft hackled flies, especially as tied in Sylvester Nemes book, The Soft Hackled Fly Addict. Although I can’t give up my parachutes, wulfs and GR hares ears, I do enjoy little yelow soft hackles and variations tied with peacock herl and others with Hares Ear. I must admit, I generally use leftover partridge, grouse, sparrow or even mottled inexpensive capes instead of using some of the harder to find or expensive bird feathers used in Nemes’ book.(but then I’m kinda cheap) I find they work well fished like a dry, or fish them like a nymph. Depending on the situation and lie, I find they sometimes work well during a hatch, maybe taken as emergers. Anyway, I always have some with me in 18-14 sizes, and some Hares ear soft hackles, tied with a longer body on a 9672 in up to size 10, unweighted, to use when GR hares ears are too heavy for shallow water. Kevin Williams, Indianapolis, IN

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Hello All         Well in reference to wet flies…a wet fly man/woman will catch more day in and day out than any dry fly man/woman can hope for.  At least that is what the late great Charles Brooks said…and I agree.  I have a pattern I have varied off a dark spruce.  I call it a little bow’.  I don’t know anything else to call it.  It is tyed on a size 10-14 9671 mustad…it has a dark olive tail…a peacock herl body…and have way up the thorax…so to speak…put in a couple wraps of red floss.  Then continue wrapping up the body with the peacock herl and tye off.  Then put on a couple wraps of grizzly colored pattridge…at the head.  It works wonderful…try a few different thread colors…6/0 is the size I like or 8/0 unithread. I found dark olive and red threads work real well…and yes it can make a difference.  It is a faster water fly…but I have caught 10 fish in half hour with this fly…and have yet to find a place it doesn’t work. From montana…to southern Idaho…and that is alot of water.         Enjoy and let me know how it works

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Are they any better than flies with hackle? Is it not difficult to get them to float? Regards Knut Uleberg.

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: Are they any better than flies with hackle? : Is it not difficult to get them to float? Hi Knut, My application of no-hackle dry-flies is almost always stillwater, or slow-water fishing and almost always with the deer-hair comparaduns. The rivers here in the rockies will drown a no hackle, but unless you are a strict halfordian, this is no great thing anyway. For the swift waters, I’ll sometimes use 3 or more premium hackles per fly. Happy Holidays, Tim Walker

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writes: No hackle flies are especially good on calm water. Trout seem to examine body length and color more in calm water, and no-hackle flies ride better in the surface film to allow trout a longer and better look. Matching size and color of the naturals is especially critical with no-hackle flies. Hope this helps. Cordially, Bob Elliott

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