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impossible to get any distance on the bigger pike flies, such as the rabbit hair diver (3/0 I think). I’ve probably neglected to take into account that I am using a 6wt, 9 ft

rod I am obviously missing posts again. C

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish. thanks, Freestone

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish.

Better go to Colorado.  Montana will be closed this summer for cleaning and repairs. Kevin, saving Warren the trouble

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Better go to Colorado.  Montana will be closed this summer for cleaning and repairs.

Not even.  We will still be having winter!  We have gotten quite a bit of snow lately.  Hard to believe it is May and the weather is more like January or February.  Check out the snowpacks.  Some places are up to 166% of normal!  Definitely good news! ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish.

I’d go with Montana, but I am biased.  :-)  You might run into problems with runoff though.  We have been getting quite a bit of snow so I would advise checking with fly shops in the areas you plan on traveling and see what they think.  I hear the Yellowstone is already high and muddy and most of the snow hasn’t even melted yet.  Of course you may find luck fishing some of the tailwaters like the Missouri, Bighorn, etc if things are blown out. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish. I’d go with Montana, but I am biased.  :-)  You might run into problems with runoff though.  We have been getting quite a bit of snow so I would advise checking with fly shops in the areas you plan on traveling and see what they think…

No problems with runoff in Colorado. You need snow for that. (Wait… I guess that is a problem) Since you’re planning on fishing in about three weeks, Colorado should still have some fishable water. If you’d said July or August, I’d suggest you go elsewhere. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Colorado should still have some fishable water. If you’d said July or August, I’d suggest you go elsewhere.

No doubt. The main CDOW Roundtable topic on the western slope recently was entitled "Stress and Release". Your pal, — TBone

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Trolling?  No, I will leave that to you. I happen to have a lifetime of experience with "Gothic Egos". Who cares?  Well, we know who doesn’t care, right Hantz? George Gehrke "no fish is as large as a gothic ego"

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Kiss Catch & Release good bye

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Kiss Catch & Release good bye

Maybe yes, maybe no. Might keep some to eat, might catch so many that there’s no room for them. Either way, who cares? There’s plenty of fish in the sea. I hardly think C&K-ing some sea trout is gonna damage the ecosystem. But what’s it to you, anyway? Trolling? riverman

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The raising of children cannot be delegated to day-care, nannies and the boob-tube.  It requires constant attention and care.  The economic reality for many families these days is that both parents work.  It is indeed a complex and difficult problem.

    It is a problem that is difficult and not a single simple answer will do. Are the parents or the child to blame? In some cases the parents are to blame but, not in all, there are cases where the kids are plain rebellious and the parents are wonderful.      It is a sad state of affairs that the TV or video games are the surrogate parents. Many homes where there is two parents consist of both of them working long hours to provide extra. I also understand where some families choose to have a little less extras and have a parent around during the children’s years at home. I guess it breaks down to what is the most important.     Thanks I will step off the box and get back into the background.. D.S.

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   I really do feel sorry for the parents though because kids these days dont talk with parents like they used to. I honestly think it would be fair

I don’t believe that it is the kids that are the cause of this… -Eric

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The raising of children cannot be delegated to day-care, nannies and the boob-tube.  It requires constant attention and care.  The economic reality for many families these days is that both parents work.  It is indeed a complex and difficult problem.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I really do feel sorry for the parents though because kids these days dont talk with parents like they used to. I honestly think it would be fair I don’t believe that it is the kids that are the cause of this… -Eric

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Why?  Because one kid broke a couple windows with an airplane? Mike MU-2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Raise the minimum age for getting PPL to 21. Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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It’s on-going, and please don’t attack me, as it would appear most are getting attacked when they voice their opinions now…

We’re with you, Casey.  As a teenage pilot, you’re living the dream I had to wait another 20 years to achieve, and I tip my hat to you. This isn’t an age thing — it’s a mental health issue, and should be treated as such. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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    I really do feel sorry for the parents though because kids these days dont talk with parents like they used to. I honestly think it would be fair to say my parents are great parents yet if I was to do something like this they would never know until its to late. My parents love me, care about me, and are great but I still, along with most teens, try to push them away. When they talk to me I dont want to talk to them, its none of their business, etc. Not only that but most parents have nothing in common with their kids. For instance my dad likes baseball cards, being outside, and fishing. My mom likes dolls, shopping, and being outside. I like computers and flying. I hate doing everything they do and they pretty much hate everything I do except my mom will fly occasionally. Sure I try to do what they like to do sometimes to make them happy, after all they are my parents and Im their last "baby" and soon ill be leaving home to. When I get home I eat and goto my room and come out when its time to leave, its the way kids do. I personally think the parents are still great parents for not knowing, it shows they trusted their kid. Unfortunatly this kid couldnt be trusted and I dont know the family history, only what ive heard. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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I feel it man, I feel it…Flying is all I have (well other than my semi-good looks ) -J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just my opinion, and I support everything said by CJ in this thread… I am 17 and a pilot like Zach. If my right to fly was taken away, I would probably just sit at home and have nothing to do. You see, flying has GIVEN me my maturity… it has shown me how to be responsible with earning every dime it takes to fly (I work at a grocery store) and also the responsibility in the air. For us teens that do take flying very seriously, we’re just as good as the 40 y/o pilot. It’s sad that this kid died, but that’s no reason to take away my right to fly and share my dream with others. Last year, 4 of my friends died in a car accident. Should I not be able to drive? It’s on-going, and please don’t attack me, as it would appear most are getting attacked when they voice their opinions now… Clear Skies- Casey Hansen Iowa, USA PP-ASEL   -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how people think I shouldnt be flying. Take it easy, Zach; the regulars know you’re alright. Ignore the trollers. — Dan N9387D at BFM

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Ironic coincidence is that one of the recent issues of AOPA Pilot (the one with the 2001 Bonanza on the cover) shows a 16 year old CAP cadet shaking hands with her instructor after soloing both gliders and a 172 on her 16th birthday. David Reinhart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does that mean that my daughter shouldn’t be able to get her glider pilot license or that air cadet’s should be abolished? Sounds like a politicians knee jerk reaction to me. I think that 15 year old kids shouldn’t be allowed to fly airplanes into buildings and that we as a society should take "reasonable" precautions to prevent it from happening. Enough said. Willy Raise the minimum age for getting PPL to 21. Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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Does that mean that my daughter shouldn’t be able to get her glider pilot license or that air cadet’s should be abolished? Sounds like a politicians knee jerk reaction to me. I think that 15 year old kids shouldn’t be allowed to fly airplanes into buildings and that we as a society should take "reasonable" precautions to prevent it from happening. Enough said. Willy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Raise the minimum age for getting PPL to 21. Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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Just my opinion, and I support everything said by CJ in this thread… I am 17 and a pilot like Zach. If my right to fly was taken away, I would probably just sit at home and have nothing to do. You see, flying has GIVEN me my maturity… it has shown me how to be responsible with earning every dime it takes to fly (I work at a grocery store) and also the responsibility in the air. For us teens that do take flying very seriously, we’re just as good as the 40 y/o pilot. It’s sad that this kid died, but that’s no reason to take away my right to fly and share my dream with others. Last year, 4 of my friends died in a car accident. Should I not be able to drive? It’s on-going, and please don’t attack me, as it would appear most are getting attacked when they voice their opinions now… Clear Skies- Casey Hansen Iowa, USA PP-ASEL

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how people think I shouldnt be flying. Take it easy, Zach; the regulars know you’re alright. Ignore the trollers. — Dan N9387D at BFM

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Why, because one goofball killed himself?  What about all the goofballs of all ages that kill themselves in cars everyday?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Raise the minimum age for getting PPL to 21. Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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I agree… -J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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  -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how people think I shouldnt be flying.

Take it easy, Zach; the regulars know you’re alright. Ignore the trollers. — Dan N9387D at BFM

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Raise the minimum age for getting PPL to 21. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons? | Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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Personally, I have been very happy with the teens I have seen flying. Most of them are earnest types who work very hard. I have a tough time picturing any of the teens that I have instructed doing any of the crazy stunts you hear about. Nevertheless, I fear that Rick Cremer is correct in predicting that there will be stricter age limits on learning to fly. It will be a sad day when these are enacted. I might not have as much sympathy for the parents as you, however. Did these people not have a clue that their kid was a UBL fan? What kind of parents were they? What kinds of values were they teaching their son, anyway? And if he was rejecting reasonable standards and values, why the heck were they letting him take flying lessons?

| Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line | is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing | happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all | wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because | the adults aren’t at risk here. | | -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have | had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died | and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about | him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did | something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m | not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down | (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give | everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a | reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have | happened. | -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it | shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. | -Some adults are mature, some are immature. | -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start | training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? | -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we | love. | -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused | on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! | -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in | this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how | people think I shouldnt be flying. | | |

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Ok the deal is everyone needs to get along and stop arguing. The bottom line is one person screwed up and now everyone is disagreeing. The same thing happened sept 11th, the only difference is we all agreed because we all wanted to fly, now the adults don’t care what happens to the kids because the adults aren’t at risk here. -one kid screwed up, he’s an idiot, that’s the bottom line. Sure he may have had problems but he’s screwed us all over and no I don’t care that he died and no im not being immature by not caring. While I really dont care about him I do feel sorry for his parents, I cant imagine my parents if I did something like that. Suicide is not the answer to solving your problems. I’m not the problem here, I don’t make fun of people, I don’t put people down (unless they start it), I talk to anyone no matter what others think. I give everyone a fair chance no matter what others think until they give me a reason to do otherwise. Now if everyone would do the same this may not have happened. -Some teens are mature (I would say most teens that fly are, at least it shows they have the devotion to do something) and some teens are immature. -Some adults are mature, some are immature. -sure they can raise the soloing age to 21 or even 21 before you start training but what happens when some 40 y/o man does the same thing? -We all need to stick together because we are all at risk for losing what we love. -The best thing to do is hope that this time next year the media is focused on some other pointless topic such as high school sports games! -Dont make me feel like im not wanted here, I love reading the topics in this group and love posting my questions but I dont like reading about how people think I shouldnt be flying.

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Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul

        i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear.  however, that has been in the late summer and early fall.  if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno

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Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul

Still a little early for much to be happening.  Sometimes you can catch a school of False Albacore at the end od the pier but this is "iffy". Most piers are officially closed but still allow you to fish for free, just not opening their pier houses.  Check the inlets for possible striper action. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Paul, If you have access to some kind of small boat like a skiff, a kayak or even a canoe you can have a great time.  If you can get back into any of the creeks along either side of the ICW you may indeed find some redfish and/or specks.  Good flies include chat/white clousers and if the water is murky the Copperhead works wonders.  I will not be in the Atlantic Beach area myself during that time frame but any help I can send your way via email I will be happy to assist.  Check at Pete’s Tackle Shop on Arendell Street in Morehead City for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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You mean the Iron Steamer pier, and it has hurricane damage that hasn’t been repaired. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear.  however, that has been in the late summer and early fall.  if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno

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Latest reports from Bogue Inlet Pier (about 20 miles on other end of Bogue Banks — check thier website) is reporting big blow fish, spotty gray and speckled trout, and periodically good shows of sea mullet.  The flounder should start anytime now, as should blues (they are present farther south near the SC border and moving north).  Spots will probably be more abundant in 2 weeks from now, false albacore should be active just offshore (try the end of a pier), and a few other early birds like cobia may be starting up, depending on water temp.  Off-shore in the Gulf Stream you will be able to get tuna, wahoo, and dolphin (maui maui, dorado, etc.). Enjoy!  Try the NC inshore offshore web page for fishing reports. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul

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Paul, Go to the Aquarium to access the sound. This time of the year, I normally fish the running tide (both in and out) over sand bars for Flounder (on a fly rod). I prefer to be on the sound with the lowest tide, closest to sunrise. My Out (In) Laws live right off Salther Path in PKS, and I take a small boat down to the Sound side near the Sheraton. Also, the Oysters and Mussels will be good for the pickin’ (if you are in to it). Good Luck ! SD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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A friend of mine gave me a BlackBeauty fishing pole by South Bend). It’s a collapsible graphite fishing POLE (10ft).  I plan to let my two small kids (age 6 & 3) use it to fish for bream (bluegills) on a small pond (I will assist).  My questions are: 1) What type of line should I use (4lb mono, braid nylon, etc)? 2) How long should the line be? 3) What kind of lures can I use (dry flies,wet, poppers,worms)?         If dry flies, will the 4lb mono & the fly both float? 4) How do I cast it?  Do I just flip it or shoot it like a slingshot? Thanks, Jimmy Jimmy D. Geek Remove the "NOJUNKMAIL." to send me email

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine gave me a BlackBeauty fishing pole by South Bend). It’s a collapsible graphite fishing POLE (10ft).  I plan to let my two small kids (age 6 & 3) use it to fish for bream (bluegills) on a small pond (I will assist).  My questions are: 1) What type of line should I use (4lb mono, braid nylon, etc)? 2) How long should the line be? 3) What kind of lures can I use (dry flies,wet, poppers,worms)?    If dry flies, will the 4lb mono & the fly both float? 4) How do I cast it?  Do I just flip it or shoot it like a slingshot?

For best results, tie about 7 or 8 feet of 4 to 6 lb. line on and put a small bobber about a foot from the end. Put on a #4 or 6 light wire hook and a split shot sinker a couple of inches above the hook. Use worms, crickets or whatever is available, even a small piece of bologna will work for bream, and let the kids master the simple method first. Then as they get older, you can introduce them to fly fishing .  To cast it, just hold the rod up high and swing the line out like a pendelum and drop it in the water. Mark http://members.aol.com/swaters1/index.html

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Hello. I’ve been reding about these wonderful spey casts and all the articles say the advantages but they never tell you how to do it. I wuould love it if someone could give me instructions on this. Thank you. Bryce Carron Santa Fe, Texas

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My name is clayton and i live in British Columbia Canada, i spey-fish all the time on the rivers up here and love it. The best advice i can give you is to find a video made by Derek Brown from Scotland. I did a course with him this summer and he was excellant teacher. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I’ve been reding about these wonderful spey casts and all the articles say the advantages but they never tell you how to do it. I wuould love it if someone could give me instructions on this. Thank you. Bryce Carron Santa Fe, Texas

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Hello. I’ve been reding about these wonderful spey casts and all the articles say the advantages but they never tell you how to do it.

 The best advice i can give you is to find a video made by Derek Brown from Scotland. I did a course with him this summer and he was excellant teacher.

Does this video deal only with classic double taper line spey casting or the extended weight forward "windcutter" or "Launcher" lines with which you shoot a lot of running line on each cast?  Most folks "south of the border" are going to be using the more modern line systems…  Jim Vincent has decent video for those types of lines, although he does seem to have a hard time with a left handed single spey.  I’m just waiting for the rivers to clear and the sea to lay down so I can once again answer the bait bouncers’ questions.  "It’s fourteen feet long",  "Yes you can catch steelhead on flies", etc. etc. etc.

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There is a very good book on speycasting by Hugh Falkus, published by Excellent Press. I think Kaufmann’s have it. The windcutter lines work very well, and I have one, but the major secret of spey casting is having a rod which is built for the task. I learnt to spey cast before I learnt how to do an overhead cast, so I am not bad at putting a line out, and twenty years experience says that you need a slow actioned rod to spey cast properly. Greenheart was popular for this very reason, and many bamboo rods were good, but the only really good spey casting rods I know of are in the Hardy range (Hardy Speycasters). You can get around the problem, if you have a stiffer rod, by using a sink tip line. This loads the rod more, and produces the curve that you need to form a proper spey loop. Andrew The History of Fly Fishing http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I’ve been reding about these wonderful spey casts and all the articles say the advantages but they never tell you how to do it. The best advice i can give you is to find a video made by Derek Brown from Scotland. I did a course with him this summer and he was excellant teacher. Does this video deal only with classic double taper line spey casting or the extended weight forward "windcutter" or "Launcher" lines with which you shoot a lot of running line on each cast?  Most folks "south of the border" are going to be using the more modern line systems…  Jim Vincent has decent video for those types of lines, although he does seem to have a hard time with a left handed single spey.  I’m just waiting for the rivers to clear and the sea to lay down so I can once again answer the bait bouncers’ questions.  "It’s fourteen feet long",  "Yes you can catch steelhead on flies", etc. etc. etc.

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I have always been interested in taking up fly fishing, but just haven’t done anything with my interest. I would like to take the plunge this summer. I am planning a camping a camoing trip in August in the Mammoth Lakes are(California) and would like to try fly fishing. I would appreciate advice on how to get started. Can you rent equipment, or should I buy? Are there classes or videos on the basics?              I appreciate any help I can get.                                                   Steve Schenkel

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I have always been interested in taking up fly fishing, but just haven’t done anything with my interest. I would like to take the plunge this summer. I am planning a camping a camoing trip in August in the Mammoth Lakes are(California) and would like to try fly fishing. I would appreciate advice on how to get started. Can you rent equipment, or should I buy? Are there classes or videos on the basics?

Hi Steve, There are several things you can do to get started. First and probably most important locate a Pro Fly Shop in your area if possible. There you can get information, instruction, videos (buy or rent), and rent equipment. One word of advise: save yourself a lot of frustration and invest in a casting lesson or two. I’d rather see you spend a little money learning skills rather than jumping right in and buying a rod/reel etc.that you have no idea how to use. I also believe the best rod in the world does a poor job in the hands of someone who does not know how to use it. Another way to learn and get started if a shop is not available is a local fly fishing club. You can contact the Federation of Fly Fishers at 1-800-618-0808 and ask for the information on an affiliate club close to you. There you may be able to get instruction and help you need. While talking with the FFF at the 800 number you might purchase a couple of their instructional booklet regarding fly fishing – Introduction to Fly Fishing and a book on beginning fly casting (I forget the name). They cost about $2.00 each and are a good way to get inexpensive information. Stay in touch with the group. As you learn and progress I’m sure you will have more questions. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (new 96 catalog)

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I have always been interested in taking up fly fishing, but just haven’t done anything with my interest. I would like to take the plunge this summer.

Dear Folks; Fish with someone who knows how.  Learn how to be successful and catch some fish.  You need to learn what you are going to need to learn. Sound confusing?, its not.  Find-out what type of water you have available.  Your "mentor" should be able to fill you in.  What you DON’T want to do is be a generalist.  You cannot buy those fly kits with the "basic" flys for, say, all eastern streams: probably will be marginally successful.  The general, basic, elementary classics of flyfishing will come to you as you become more acquianted with the sport.  If there is no waters near you where you need to cast far, then don’t waste your time learning to double-haul cast.  See, its stuff like this that gives you a false impression as to what you need and what you will be doing. You do need to know how to cast and learn what you need and what it is called.  That general info. is good.   But don’t be watching flyfishing for Bass, then Pike, then Tarpon, then Western trout, then Eastern trout and think you need to do what the people you saw were doing.  It will not apply.  Conform your equipment and style to the kinds of water you will be fishing initially, and you will be on you way to successful and enjoyable fishing. Sincerely, Jason Beary

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I have always been interested in taking up fly fishing, but just haven’t done anything with my interest. I would like to take the plunge this summer. I am planning a camping a camoing trip in August in the Mammoth Lakes are(California) and would like to try fly fishing. I would appreciate advice on how to get started. Can you rent equipment, or should I buy? Are there classes or videos on the basics?

Hi Norma, Classes are the way to go if you want to learn quickly.  Specifically I’d recommend classes that teach casting, knots, where trout live (reading the water), what they eat (entomology – bugs), all about tackle (entirely too easy to spend lots of bucks on great stuff and not get what you need), conservation, and etiquette.  In addition to this they should feature on-stream fishing as line control problems and "dead drift" tactics really need to be taught one on one in the water not in the classroom.   Just like the classes we offer (surprise!!).  E-mail me if you would like a schedule of classes. If  classes are out of the budget, the next best thing is to take a casting lesson and then hire a guide for the next day.  You can get the basics in a couple of hours and then get out on the stream and do some fishing with a guide who knows where the fish are and what it takes to catch them.  Be sure to tell the guide you want to learn about reading water and how to get a dead drift.  Usually the guide will have equipment available for you to rent or use.  This will get you a feel for it without making any big purchases ahead of time.  After you’ve had the casting lesson, even with those minimum skills, you will be able to cast different rods to see which one feels best.  Don’t buy a rod without casting it. After being in the water fishing, you will get a feel for what all this gear does and what is important (use *polarized* glasses for fishing, regular sunglasses are worthless for spotting fish or watching your fly). If you’re going to be in Mammoth Lakes stop at the Trout Fly (619) 934-2517.  They can arrange a guided trip on Hot Creek, the Middle Fork of the San Joaquin, or other small streams in the area.  If you get a chance stay at the Arcularius Ranch on the Upper Owens a little north of Mammoth Lakes.  Definitely get a guide for the Arcularius Ranch.  It has lots of big fish in a small stream but they are very difficult to catch.  A stealthy approach is half of it, but If you don’t get a dead drift, it doesn’t matter what fly you’re using, you won’t catch fish. A couple of videos that will help are " Essence of Fly Casting" (not vol. 2) by Mel Krieger and The Skills of Fly Fishing by Gary Borger.  Mel

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

I have always enjoyed using soft hackled flies, especially as tied in Sylvester Nemes book, The Soft Hackled Fly Addict. Although I can’t give up my parachutes, wulfs and GR hares ears, I do enjoy little yelow soft hackles and variations tied with peacock herl and others with Hares Ear. I must admit, I generally use leftover partridge, grouse, sparrow or even mottled inexpensive capes instead of using some of the harder to find or expensive bird feathers used in Nemes’ book.(but then I’m kinda cheap) I find they work well fished like a dry, or fish them like a nymph. Depending on the situation and lie, I find they sometimes work well during a hatch, maybe taken as emergers. Anyway, I always have some with me in 18-14 sizes, and some Hares ear soft hackles, tied with a longer body on a 9672 in up to size 10, unweighted, to use when GR hares ears are too heavy for shallow water. Kevin Williams, Indianapolis, IN

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Hello All         Well in reference to wet flies…a wet fly man/woman will catch more day in and day out than any dry fly man/woman can hope for.  At least that is what the late great Charles Brooks said…and I agree.  I have a pattern I have varied off a dark spruce.  I call it a little bow’.  I don’t know anything else to call it.  It is tyed on a size 10-14 9671 mustad…it has a dark olive tail…a peacock herl body…and have way up the thorax…so to speak…put in a couple wraps of red floss.  Then continue wrapping up the body with the peacock herl and tye off.  Then put on a couple wraps of grizzly colored pattridge…at the head.  It works wonderful…try a few different thread colors…6/0 is the size I like or 8/0 unithread. I found dark olive and red threads work real well…and yes it can make a difference.  It is a faster water fly…but I have caught 10 fish in half hour with this fly…and have yet to find a place it doesn’t work. From montana…to southern Idaho…and that is alot of water.         Enjoy and let me know how it works

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Are they any better than flies with hackle? Is it not difficult to get them to float? Regards Knut Uleberg.

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: Are they any better than flies with hackle? : Is it not difficult to get them to float? Hi Knut, My application of no-hackle dry-flies is almost always stillwater, or slow-water fishing and almost always with the deer-hair comparaduns. The rivers here in the rockies will drown a no hackle, but unless you are a strict halfordian, this is no great thing anyway. For the swift waters, I’ll sometimes use 3 or more premium hackles per fly. Happy Holidays, Tim Walker

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writes: No hackle flies are especially good on calm water. Trout seem to examine body length and color more in calm water, and no-hackle flies ride better in the surface film to allow trout a longer and better look. Matching size and color of the naturals is especially critical with no-hackle flies. Hope this helps. Cordially, Bob Elliott

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I’m considering a 10-day trip in Montana’s Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness. Specifically I was looking at the area around Jordan Pass and Wounded Man Lake. Can anyone offer estimates about how heavily travelled this part of the world will be this summer? And how about in September? Finally, I’d welcome any suggestions about loops–on or off the trail–that might not be too popular with other hikers. Thanks much.

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I’m considering a 10-day trip in Montana’s Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness. Specifically I was looking at the area around Jordan Pass and Wounded Man Lake. Can anyone offer estimates about how

           story;  does anyone know it?

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I’m considering a 10-day trip in Montana’s Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness. Specifically I was looking at the area around Jordan

There was an article in Backpacker not to long ago on this area.

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I’m considering a 10-day trip in Montana’s Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness. Specifically I was looking at the area around Jordan Pass and Wounded Man Lake. Can anyone offer estimates about how heavily travelled this part of the world will be this summer? And how about in September? Finally, I’d welcome any suggestions about loops–on or off the trail–that might not be too popular with other hikers. Thanks much.

I do not have any current information, but I couldn’t help but reply to this post as it brought back many fond memories – and perhaps some of the information will be helpful. I’ve backpacked in this area twice – once in 1976 on a 6-day trip and again in ‘78 on my honeymoon for an 8-day trip. In both cases, we approached the wilderness from the north out of Big Timber, Montana, along the Boulder River. From the end of the road, we went west on the ‘76 trip (into the Absoraka range) and east on the ‘78 trip (towards Beartooths). The latter is the area you refer to. The 6-day trip was one of my most memorable wilderness experiences. Six days in early July, moving every day, and we only saw one other person.  Fishing was outstanding, beautiful scenery (more gentle than the Beartooth neighbors to the east), perfect weather, and lots of wildlife: elk, moose, deer, and a bighorn sheep (up close and personal while sitting on top of a peak – within 15 yards). On our honeymoon (I’m a lucky guy , we headed east from the parking lot at the end of the boulder river road, then a little south, and reached the Stillwater River in 4 days. We saw a "lot" of people the first day, "a few" the second, and none for the next four days (isn’t that a surprise?:-). We were here in August, which may partly explain the greater number of people. We made about a 75 mile loop in the 8 days. Again, as we started back towards the car, we started seeing more and more people. There seemed to be a lot of outfitters hauling people in and out of base camps on horseback near, yes, Wounded Man Lake. We camped one night near Wounded Man Lake. Sorry, I don’t know the story, but there was a crippled moose at that lake! She could walk with a serious limp, but apparently not run. It is a beautiful lake and we had it to ourselves, although I didn’t do too well fishing there. However, the fishing was GREAT in some small lakes to the west of Wounded Man lake. I don’t remember their names, but they were below the pass that crossed into the headwaters of a stream that eventually flowed into Boulder River. As usual, my wife caught the biggest trout – and to think she had fly-fished for the first time in her life 5 days earlier! One interesting observation – all outfitters and at least one backpacker were carrying firearms. This is prime grizzly country. Oh yeah – and the mosquitos nearly drove my wife crazy. What a great honeymoon. You asked about September – you might want to check the hunting season schedules for that area. It looked like prime big game hunting country. Have a great trip. If you want any more specific information, let me know. I’d love to have an excuse to pull out the ol’ topos. — Harvard Townsend, Systems Manager Kansas State University Dept. of CIS, (913)532-6350

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