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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard.

You have my condolences.  Down here we only have to deal with hard water in our plumbing. I’ll try some smaller stuff like that for probing the bottom.  I usually use small stuff like1/8 oz spinners when it gets tough, but I forgot about using smaller bottom probing stuff. I even just picked up some small jigs because I want to try some float and fly next weekend floating a couple miles of the Colorado river. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

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I think I can see it… no wait, that’s not it. Nevermind. — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can’t see shit…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

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What post? Wolfgang

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I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

I see it directly.  I just changed my ISP because of dropped messages and other newsgroups problems.

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I saw it.                   Tom L

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[This followup was posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and a copy was sent to the cited author.] Saw it here. I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

– Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon

I saw it.  Didn

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

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Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

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testing this news server and outlook express, we’ll see Thanks for those who offered assistance Wayne ——

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My server shows it at 5:21pm 2/1/2k.  Get out the wrench, it worked. R Here’s your header and post as I see it:

Thanks, still gonna take some getting use to, the message download is taking forever, but since in this getup I’m not paying for the isp or the server, in theory I can save enough money to pay for a new Abel SW reel (10 wt) ——

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My server shows it at 5:21pm 2/1/2k.  Get out the wrench, it worked. R Here’s your header and post as I see it: Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!ne ws.netfront.net!freenews.netfront.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly read Organization: Netfront http://www.netfront.net/ Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip141.nashville17.tn.pub-ip.psi.net GMT) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news.flash.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:158136 testing this news server and outlook express, we’ll see Thanks for those who offered assistance Wayne ——

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Thanks, still gonna take some getting use to, the message download is taking forever, but since in this getup I’m not paying for the isp or the server, in theory I can save enough money to pay for a new Abel SW reel (10 wt)

LMAO! You’re a friggin’ GENIUS, Wayne! ;^)

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LMAO! You’re a friggin’ GENIUS, Wayne! ;^)

method to my madness trip…. Alas the server been down for 24 hrs now, back on the training wheels. <g Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Possible antique, wonderful addition to a collection or would make a great gift or starter kit for a young one. I do think this one is out of production. Old fly fishing rod, reel and case with a bag for the rod. All are in nice condition. Rod is off-white with red and black stripes and has a spiral pattern, a cork handle and is green where the reel attaches.  The reel is black and clicks when is goes around. Reminds me of going fishing with my dad years and years ago. The case is metal with a cork-lined lid that screws on. The lid reads A.A.W. CO. Peerless Newark, NJ There is also a cloth bag to protect the rod. I Honestly don’t know anything else about it so it’s kind of a gamble I guess? To see a photo please visit my auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=202528070 Thanks for your time! Diana

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(snip) Thanks for your time! Diana

Oh God!  She’s got an old Peerless rod outfit and her name’s Diana! What to do!!??!! Wayne To fish is human…to release Divine.

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Oh God!  She’s got an old Peerless rod outfit and her name’s Diana! What to do!!??!!

  I followed the link, it looks like what she really has is a Shakespeare Wonderod with a Pflueger, lest my eyes deceive me.

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Ask her what color Mercedes she likes. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) Thanks for your time! Diana Oh God!  She’s got an old Peerless rod outfit and her name’s Diana! What to do!!??!! Wayne To fish is human…to release Divine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I followed the link, it looks like what she really has is a Shakespeare Wonderod with a Pflueger, lest my eyes deceive me.

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OK so its a Shakespeare.  :-{ Maybe she’s cute!!?? Wayne To fish is human…to release Divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I followed the link, it looks like what she really has is a Shakespeare Wonderod with a Pflueger, lest my eyes deceive me.

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        Hi! I am dying rabbit pelts for bunny leaches and I noticed that they shrink to almost a quarter their actual size I’ve heard to use cold water but I cant get the full colors I want.  I am using RIT dye any help or directions would be appreciated THANKS!                                         Dolph

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        Hi! I am dying rabbit pelts for bunny leaches and I noticed that they shrink to almost a quarter their actual size I’ve heard to use cold water but I cant get the full colors I want.  I am using RIT dye any help or directions would be appreciated THANKS!

….what’s your time frame? I dye rabbit pelts with room-temperature water and rit dye, and get good (usually olive) colors everytime. But I find I have to let the pelts soak for a least a week to to get it. —  * Center For Computational Biology            –o0O  * Montana State University  */

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        Hi! I am dying rabbit pelts for bunny leaches and I noticed that they shrink to almost a quarter their actual size I’ve heard to use cold water but I cant get the full colors I want.  I am using RIT dye any help or directions would be appreciated THANKS!                                         Dolph

Hi Dolph When Gretchen & I dye rabbit pelts we pin them to a board before drying them to keep them from shrinking. For more info on dying check the "tips & tricks" section of my web site. I’ve reviewed temperatures and other tips there. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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        Hi! I am dying rabbit pelts for bunny leaches and I noticed that they shrink to almost a quarter their actual size I’ve heard to use cold water but I cant get the full colors I want.  I am using RIT dye any help or directions would be appreciated THANKS!

If you want very bright colors, you’ll have to peroxide the pelts first. You can use Miss Clearall (sp) or any other product made for bleaching human hair. This will strip alot of the natural color & leave you with a much lighter hair to work with. Willi

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you do not need pretty flies to catch fish.  Everyone I know started by tying an excruciatingly ugly mutant bugger creature.  Everyone I know also

I just tied my first fly around a month ago.  While I wouldn’t call it excruciatingly ugly (yet–it is looking uglier all the time), mutant bugger creature is a pretty good description. I decided to record my misadventures before I forget the specifics.   Here’s my description of that first fly. "  I’d been reading up on fly tying for a few months but it took a little while to get my fingers lacquered.  Since I had yet to get any of the normal tools or supplies, my first fly was tied with a size 10 bait hook, dark grey cat hair (under-fur), sewing thread, and two pheasant feathers picked up  from the local five and dime.  It’s a bit rough but not bad for a first attempt.  The cat hair appears to trap microscopic bubbles when under water and with the thread ribbing looks nicely segmented (if a bit uneven in spots).  I was going to put some hackle on it but the stem on the dime store hackle I was trying to use kept breaking."   _Rich_

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I like Lefty Kreh’s book "Advanced Flyfishing Techniques- Secrets of an Avid Fisherman." If you’re learning how cast or having casting problems, you should look into getting a lesson.

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Hi Jolivas – I used Jack Dennis’ Western Trout Fly Tying Manual, myself, and really found it helpful.  Good photos of the step by step process for tying very practical and useful flies, including dry flies, hair flies, nymphs, streamers, and wet flies.  Also a good discussion of tools and materials.  This is a great place to start, and from there there is no end to books on fly tying. Have fun with it this winter, and by this spring you should have a selection of very useful patterns. Charlie Miller

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying?

 They are in the LIBRARY..next to the books, that teach you Neurosurgery!!!…;)

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying?  They are in the LIBRARY..next to the books, that teach you Neurosurgery!!!…;)

Nancy Try Randall Kaufmann’s books or Skip Morris. Kaufman’s revised editions have about 15 or so colored plates illustrating steps in tying each fly. Skip Morris’s books also have colored plates. Hope this helps Ron

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Master Angler shows each step on your computer screen, a how-to video and /or a printout of each step in book form. Yours or someone else’s — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

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: anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? : e-mail me if any please! Try a local bookstore. The shevles are loaded with them. If not that, try the library. Jon Porter

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Not learned from a book.  The young usually learn from the parents or other members of the hatch. anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Not learned from a book.  The young usually learn from the parents or other members of the hatch. anyone have the location of a book that teaches fly flying? e-mail me if any please!

Almost any fly tying manual will get you through the basics.   Besides, you do not need pretty flies to catch fish.  Everyone I know started by tying an excruciatingly ugly mutant bugger creature.  Everyone I know also caught fish with their first fly. Van Vliet’s "The Art of Fly Tying" is an attractive, comprehensive, and usefully illustrated book. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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Does anyone have successful experience fishing lakes using sinking leaders such as AirFlo’s in place of a battery of full sinking fly lines?  I have often wondered about this.  

<snip Hi James, Sinking leaders are an interesting product. They work pretty well, though they do possess certain disadvantages that are also inherent in sink-tip lines. With either, you do in fact end up with a hinge of sorts if you are fishing deep. The curve in the line, to some degree, puts you out of contact with the fly.The problem is that if you are fishing very slowly, and the trout are taking softly, you will miss strikes. A full sink line (particularly the Uni-Sink) draws a straight line to the fly and fish. You will feel more strikes and be able to set-up more securely. All that said, sinking leaders are very convenient (and economical) and if you’re not trying to fish too deep they will probably work great for you.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Does anyone have successful experience fishing lakes using sinking leaders such as AirFlo’s in place of a battery of full sinking fly lines?  I have often wondered about this.  Claims are made by the AirFlo people that depth is controlled by the leader, while angle of retrieve is controlled by the fly line.  I am also aware of claims made by sinking line advocates that using a floating line with a sink tip or a sinking leader will cause the fly to ‘loft’ upwards on the retrieve.  The sinking line is supposed to make it possible to retrieve at one given depth.  This theory of ‘lofting’ only makes sense if one is really hauling in line fast enough to cause hydraulic pressure on the line to lift the fly.  I can’t believe there is really much of this if one is retrieving the fly as slowly as it should be.  Also, the sinking can be counted down to a prescribed or given depth.  However, it will keep right on sinking, not travelling in a perfectly horizontal direction and maintaining the same depth. I would like to see some experienced input on this. Please post in the group or e-mail me direct. Thanks.

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Has anyone fished the West Fork of the San Gabriel (Southern Ca.)  lately? I see they are planting trout weekly.  If you have (fished) what are the taking , where is the best area etc.                   Thanks, Becky

Actually, Becky, they only plant the lower section of the West Fork. The catch & release, artificial lure w/ single barbless hook only section begins at the second bridge upstream from the parking area and it is wild trout only. This is the area you want to visit. In fact, bring a bike and you can easily cover the entire 5 miles or so of managed water. I haven’t been up this year yet but I would guess that conditions would be great. Plenty of water! In the past I’ve had success fishing just about any dry fly. I knew a Becky Marsh who worked for Nordstrom??? Tim

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Becky, Follow the advice of the last message, take lots of Beadheaed nymphs In #14-16 in olive or brown, fish soft hackle wet flies (March Brown, Partridge & Orange or Starling and Herl, carry some #16-18 Elk Caddis, a few Royal Wulfs, California Mosquito, the good old Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear Nymph #14-16 and a few Pheasant Tail Nymphs in the same size.  Use 9ft leader tipped with 6x and cast everywhere. This is a good stream to learn on. Get a bike, pack a lunch and enjoy it any month  of the year.  I’ve fished the West Fork for almost 20 years.  Sometimes it’s hot and sometimes it’s not…never give up on it, though.  It’s a great little stream if given half the chance!

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Has anyone fished the West Fork of the San Gabriel (Southern Ca.)  lately?  I see they are planting trout weekly.  If you have (fished) what are the taking , where is the best area etc.                   Thanks, Becky

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: Does anyone know who makes Cabella Fish Eagle fly rods I was watching a video by Stu Apte on Saltwater Fly fishing and he mentioned in passing that Cabella’s rods were built by G Loomis. Any Confirmations? Rodney Singapore

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 This reel was almost certainly made by the Sth company in Argentina.  It was identical in design and even carried the same symbols but a different label. Cannot speak for the new reels included in packages except to say that the new cassette fly reel looks surprisingly like the Sth cassette reels (just a guess).  

Yes, this would make sense because STH makes Loomis reels and the head STH engineer Roberto Sacconi is a friend of Gary Loomis. Loomis claims to be a real believer in the STH system. Cal — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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J.Vogel) says: Does anyone know who makes Cabella Fish Eagle fly rods I think the conclusions reached on the net include the following: Cabela uses rod blanks from G. Loomis to manufacture its fly rods.  We never decided who actually makes the rods but seemed to agree that they are of good quality and reasonable for the $$. My own experience supports this claim.  The outfit that I have included the Fish Eagle II rod and an MCD reel.  This reel was almost certainly made by the Sth company in Argentina.  It was identical in design and even carried the same symbols but a different label. Cannot speak for the new reels included in packages except to say that the new cassette fly reel looks surprisingly like the Sth cassette reels (just a guess).  I believe you also asked a question about who makes the Cabelas reel (in another post)…this reply may answer that.  If you are asking about spinning reels, we have discussed this and never reached an answer. Hope this helps.  Scott Maitland

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