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Hi Scott, Considering that it would be ~$15,000 new, I don’t think you can go too wrong at the price. It might be a "gas hog"? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello fellow boaters, I just sold my little old 12 footer with a 9.9 Johnson in favor of something a little bigger, and here is a boat I am interested in: 1979 Crestliner, aluminum -open bow, nice carpeted wood flooring (recently re-done) -has a sterring console -livewell -auto bilge pump -looks to be in good shape, not beat up -1987 85hp Force outboard w/jet -good trailer -comes with 3 portable ga tanks -a couple of pedestal seats I am going for a test ride this weekend and will do a compression test as well. this boat is set up well for fishing, i like the storage space and boat layout. i also like the jet. Before anyone goes on about jets, I am more than familiar with the pros and cons, and I have to have a jet due to the places I go.  The owner said the boat will go about 32mph with a decent load – this is more than fine for me.  as long as it gets up on plane and goes ( i will not be pulling skiers or anything… just fishing). the owner is asking $2750 – does this seems fair (considering he probably overpriced it a little bit as we all do when selling something)? Engine runs well, and he has seemed to do good maintenance on the boat. If I decide to get this boat I will add a bow-mount trolling motor (probably a minn kota 50# thrust) for fishing, a fish finder, and maybe an extra pedestal seat. let me know what you guys think.  oh – one other question: i am more familiar with inboard jets and big jet boats than outboad jets: do outboard jet units still have a seperate impeller to cool the engine (like it would with a prop), or do they just work off the bowl pressure to get their water feed?  Just curious Thanks! scott

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Hello fellow boaters, I just sold my little old 12 footer with a 9.9 Johnson in favor of something a little bigger, and here is a boat I am interested in: 1979 Crestliner, aluminum -open bow, nice carpeted wood flooring (recently re-done) -has a sterring console -livewell -auto bilge pump -looks to be in good shape, not beat up -1987 85hp Force outboard w/jet -good trailer -comes with 3 portable ga tanks -a couple of pedestal seats I am going for a test ride this weekend and will do a compression test as well. this boat is set up well for fishing, i like the storage space and boat layout. i also like the jet. Before anyone goes on about jets, I am more than familiar with the pros and cons, and I have to have a jet due to the places I go.  The owner said the boat will go about 32mph with a decent load – this is more than fine for me.  as long as it gets up on plane and goes ( i will not be pulling skiers or anything… just fishing). the owner is asking $2750 – does this seems fair (considering he probably overpriced it a little bit as we all do when selling something)? Engine runs well, and he has seemed to do good maintenance on the boat. If I decide to get this boat I will add a bow-mount trolling motor (probably a minn kota 50# thrust) for fishing, a fish finder, and maybe an extra pedestal seat. let me know what you guys think.  oh – one other question: i am more familiar with inboard jets and big jet boats than outboad jets: do outboard jet units still have a seperate impeller to cool the engine (like it would with a prop), or do they just work off the bowl pressure to get their water feed?  Just curious Thanks! scott

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Nada doesn’t support a 1979 boat, and I don’t know which model it is. By the way, the boat is a 16′. -scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try: www.nada.com # Hello fellow boaters, # # I just sold my little old 12 footer with a 9.9 Johnson in favor of # something a little bigger, and here is a boat I am interested in: # # 1979 Crestliner, aluminum # -open bow, nice carpeted wood flooring (recently re-done) # -has a sterring console # -livewell # -auto bilge pump # -looks to be in good shape, not beat up # -1987 85hp Force outboard w/jet # -good trailer # -comes with 3 portable ga tanks # -a couple of pedestal seats # # I am going for a test ride this weekend and will do a compression test # as well. this boat is set up well for fishing, i like the storage space # and boat layout. i also like the jet. # # Before anyone goes on about jets, I am more than familiar with the pros # and cons, and I have to have a jet due to the places I go.  The owner # said the boat will go about 32mph with a decent load – this is more than # fine for me.  as long as it gets up on plane and goes ( i will not be # pulling skiers or anything… just fishing). # # the owner is asking $2750 – does this seems fair (considering he # probably overpriced it a little bit as we all do when selling # something)? Engine runs well, and he has seemed to do good maintenance # on the boat. # # If I decide to get this boat I will add a bow-mount trolling motor # (probably a minn kota 50# thrust) for fishing, a fish finder, and maybe # an extra pedestal seat. # # let me know what you guys think.  oh – one other question: i am more # familiar with inboard jets and big jet boats than outboad jets: do # outboard jet units still have a seperate impeller to cool the engine # (like it would with a prop), or do they just work off the bowl pressure # to get their water feed?  Just curious # # Thanks! # # scott #

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Thanks Jim. I have done more reseach, and I am going for a test drive today and possibly to buy it if the compression checks out on all 3 cylinders and if I don’t see any red flags. -scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a previous poster suggested NADA, I say use NADA if you’re going to buy, to help you negotiate.  I don’t know which ass NADA pulls its numbers  from, but according to NADA, I got ripped off buying a boat, motor and trailer for $500.   The boat  you’re looking at, stay away from.  Forget the deal.  Just give me than name and number for the person selling this setup at this price!  I’ll handle it from here.  :^)   Seriously tho, it sounds like a GREAT deal.  If you would be happy with it at that price, then that’s what really matters!  From what you say, I believe *I* would be! -Jim

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As a previous poster suggested NADA, I say use NADA if you’re going to buy, to help you negotiate.  I don’t know which ass NADA pulls its numbers  from, but according to NADA, I got ripped off buying a boat, motor and trailer for $500.   The boat  you’re looking at, stay away from.  Forget the deal.  Just give me than name and number for the person selling this setup at this price!  I’ll handle it from here.  :^)   Seriously tho, it sounds like a GREAT deal.  If you would be happy with it at that price, then that’s what really matters!  From what you say, I believe *I* would be! -Jim

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I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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Hi All, It seems like there was a big push for chest packs the last 5 or more years, but lately traditional vests are selling better than ever? We sell mostly shorter vests in Nor Cal because we have larger streams to cross/wade and float tubing too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

Yep. But you gotta get him really drunk first. Pete aka Pogo — You need only two tools. WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn’t move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn’t, use the tape.     C.Webster

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What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed.

There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  I vote for the Filson. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips).

Yep.  I keep all my trout gear in my chest pack and just leave it there. The rear compartment of the Filson will hold my Hodgeman wading jacket (their low-end nylon jacket) and a thermos (wide-mouth, soup thermos, not a coffee-dispenser style). Mu

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There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  

That sounds like a commercial for the Canadian version of Victoria’s Secret. <g — Charlie…

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I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can?

Don’t know about ol’ Prince Albert but of late,  I’ve been using a satchel.  It’s a smallish bag designed for students with slots for pens, disks, etc.  Works great for all my paraphernalia – just clipped a zinger and a drying patch on it and I was in business. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Ah, yes . . . reminds me of a gal I saw once in a bar in Okinawa. And the things she could do with a cigarette and a beer bottle . . . but that’s another story .  :-) Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest. That sounds like a commercial for the Canadian version of Victoria’s Secret. <g — Charlie…

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Thanks, Bill. Seems like the vest distributes weight a little better. I don’t have long legs and frequently manage to soak the bottom of my vest, but wonder how a loaded chest pack feels after a day of fishing. Expect I’ll go with the vest. Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, It seems like there was a big push for chest packs the last 5 or more years, but lately traditional vests are selling better than ever? We sell mostly shorter vests in Nor Cal because we have larger streams to cross/wade and float tubing too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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The first tackle box I ever had was a tobacco can. Can’t remember if it was Prince Albert or Half and Half, but those cans were great. And If you were eight years old you could sometimes find a few shreds of tobacco and really live dangerously. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton Yep. But you gotta get him really drunk first. Pete aka Pogo — You need only two tools. WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn’t move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn’t, use the tape.     C.Webster

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Thanks for the info. The only trouble with the Filson is that it’s so expensive it needs a special section in my will! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  I vote for the Filson. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). Yep.  I keep all my trout gear in my chest pack and just leave it there. The rear compartment of the Filson will hold my Hodgeman wading jacket (their low-end nylon jacket) and a thermos (wide-mouth, soup thermos, not a coffee-dispenser style). Mu

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I glue them together back to back.  I take two such assemblys and cut radial notches in them and fit them together so they fit 90 degrees to each other. Really cool on the Christmas tree, almost as much fun as watching a lava lamp.

. The CD, of course, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Really cool on the Christmas tree, almost as much fun as watching a lava lamp.

        …or watching paint dry, which i will speculate is one of your most challenging intellectual endeavors.         get it? wayno

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<RWP mused and asked:  What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? Like most other things I usually want more than one solution to every problem.  I have this ordered from L.L. Bean but it won’t be available til March 18th.  I bought it for float tubing and deeper wading (I keep soaking my current vest although is it a "shorty" wading model — maybe cuz I stand only 5′8" tall in stilettos). TC21140 Olive Modular Fishing System Large Chest/Fanny Pack……$49.00 TC24057 Black Modular Fishing System Ultralight Chris Fanning — still trying to buy his way to fly fishing bliss…

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Thanks to everybody for the ideas. I still dunno what the hell I’m going to do. But you’un’s thoughts are helpful. Bob — Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <RWP mused and asked:  What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? Like most other things I usually want more than one solution to every problem.  I have this ordered from L.L. Bean but it won’t be available til March 18th.  I bought it for float tubing and deeper wading (I keep soaking my current vest although is it a "shorty" wading model — maybe cuz I stand only 5′8" tall in stilettos). TC21140 Olive Modular Fishing System Large Chest/Fanny Pack……$49.00 TC24057 Black Modular Fishing System Ultralight Chris Fanning — still trying to buy his way to fly fishing bliss…

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I came home tonight and found that ‘resident’ had been sent an AOL CD. Nicely packaged in a thin metal container.  YeeHaw.  I’ve got a place other than my hat to keep those tiny flies now.  I grabbed a magnet off the ‘frig and found out it’ll work just fine. The CD, of course, was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Wait for a second one, put a spindle through them both, and a small bolt or similar on the rim of one, put this in a simple stand, and you have an excellent linewinder. You can make a nice tool stand for fly-tying tools etc, in a similar way. Just drill holes around the rim, and mount the disc on a heavy bolt or similar. Depending on the reflective material used, they also make excellent lamp reflectors. They should not be mounted too close to heat sources though. If you buy a cheap electric clock motor, mount it behind the disk, and then mount the hands, then you have a nice wall clock. Cutting notches around the rim of the disc, turns it into a very handy cast holder. These were very popular at one time. If you glue a raised rim to the disc, and partition the disc with further strips ( like an apple tart decoration with pastry) of strip cork for instance, then you have a very handy stackable hook store. There are lots of other uses for such high grade plastic discs.  If AOL and others want to give them away, then I see no reason not to use them. TL MC

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The first tackle box I ever had was a tobacco can. Can’t remember if it was Prince Albert or Half and Half, but those cans were great. And If you were eight years old you could sometimes find a few shreds of tobacco and really live dangerously.

I came home tonight and found that ‘resident’ had been sent an AOL CD. Nicely packaged in a thin metal container.  YeeHaw.  I’ve got a place other than my hat to keep those tiny flies now.  I grabbed a magnet off the ‘frig and found out it’ll work just fine. The CD, of course, was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Check out the 2002 fly fishing cataloge from LL Bean they have some very nice roomy sized fanny packs for about$ 49.00 they hold lots of gear and have a great belt system  keep a tight line

I have the LL Bean large chest pack with cargo strap, and I can carry more stuff than I could in my shorty vest, and everything is better organized and easier to find. Also, the weight is more evenly distributed. I also got the mesh strap for hot weather. I have tried using the pack with the included belt as a fanny or hip pack, but it just doesn’t feel right for some reason. I really like it as a chest pack, though. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). Bob Patton

Bob,   I used the same vest for many years, a Stearns inflatable model.  Because of the heavy cloth and the enclosed rubber bladders, it was very hot in the summer.  I bought a "Fishpond" ($60.00) chest pack/hip pack a couple of years ago.  You can wear it either way.  I needed to use the neck strap as I am "hip challenged" and I couldn’t keep the thing from sliding down to my knees.  The pack works pretty well but when fully loaded, sticks out quite a ways.  I used it mainly as a hip pack but used the shoulder strap to keep it from sliding down.  I didn’t like using it as a chest pack.  Just always seemed to be in the way.   On my way back home from the Yellowstone clave, I treated myself to a Simms mesh vest ($100.00).  I like this vest better than the chest pack.  The weight is spread out very comfortably across the shoulders and holds everything I need.  It’s cut short for deep wading and seems to be the best compromise for me.  I needed to remove the chest pack when I rowed my pontoon and there’s always a chance it will end up floating down the river. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Check out the 2002 fly fishing cataloge from LL Bean they have some very nice roomy sized fanny packs for about$ 49.00 they hold lots of gear and have a

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Thanks for the info. The only trouble with the Filson is that it’s so expensive it needs a special section in my will! Bob

I used to use a Filson vest that I bought because I love those old school Filson products; however, it was way to heavy and the snaps tended to stick shut in the cold….one cold day in Yellowstone park, I couldn’t open the snap on one of the pockets and ripped the pocket trying.  Same day I bought my Simms vest in West and haven’t used the Filson since. Eugene K.

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I just received a "FlyTrap" that I bought from ezflyfish.com. Looks like it will beat the hell out of fleece and styrofoam patches. Bob

//snip// pens, disks, etc.  Works great for all my paraphernalia – just clipped a zinger and a drying patch on it and I was in business. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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X-no-archive: yes Animal rights Internet lists are abuzz over the summer movie Instinct, which stars Anthony Hopkins as a primatologist.  Activists claim the film has a strong animal rights message. Don’t give this movie your money.

I saw the movie about ten days ago.  The animal rights message, as explicitly stated, is reasonable enough, i.e. the wanton slaughter of gorillas is a bad thing.  The subliminal messages which may come through have been the topic of a great deal of discussion here in the past month or so, but I don’t think the film has much to add, or that it will make a great impression on the general public.  There is, however, an even better reason to avoid this one; it’s a bad movie.  The cast looked pretty bored throughout and left me feeling much the same.  Maybe I’m just tired of people loping around in bad gorilla costumes.

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What is now left my friends? I ask  you humbly what may we discuss? without wishing to cause tension on the surface, perhaps the meniscus? If treated properly perhaps this odd phenomenon will disappear or sink, for those of you now quite alarmed, dont worry friends , it will float again with gink. The souls of fishes long departed may return at last to haunt us anglers all, the wanton bludgeoning we once practiced in our youth begin with age to pall, what can one do, how may one then, avoid such horrible and all consuming fate? one might perhaps then praise the fish in prayer, before placing it well spiced and heated on ones plate. Oh lord I fear that what I did perhaps was not quite right, and maybe not your wish but lord forgive me please, judge not harshly, remembering I used a  fly to catch this glorious fish. There are some who would have us think that fishing is an evil thing, in actual fact a heinous crime Or did you lord, when we were placed here,  think of us, and give us all these lumps of tasty protein packed in slime ? I may be wrong of course oh lord, and even far too proud in my assumptions of your wishes, in which case then I will surely land in hell, and burn forever as a punishment for bludgeoning all those fishes. Whatever lord, although it may be wrong, and not in accord with your decrees, this fascinating fishing with an artificial fly. If you dont mind, and nothing else occurs to change my mind, I

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ROFLMAO Thanks, that made my day, Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – August 12, 1998  Denver The Albanian Flyfishing Team, still reeling (as it were) from its dismal showing in the world flyfishing championship recently concluded in Poland, today announced its endorsement of the famous Banjo Minno.  Some observers speculated that the 50 free banjo minnos and $10 gift certificate provided by the manufacturer were the motivating factors in the endorsement, but team members assured the press conference that product quality and fishing results alone secured this valuable addition to the banjo minno family of users. "We’re off to Canada tomorrow", said Romczky Xudycz, team captain, "at the invitation of two guys that host a nationwide TV program on fishing.  Our fame is assured".

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If I ordered two of them would I have "Dueling Banjos"? — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

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If I ordered two of them would I have "Dueling Banjos"?

Only if you fished them simultaneously from the same rod — Good Fishing and Tight Lines             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard

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how much would it be to buy one? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole Banjo fishing system sounds like a winner.. but I play guitar… damn.. edwin                               Banjo Mino Catch More Fish Than You Ever Dreamed Possible! The world’s first genetic response fishing lure!    * Specially designed to trigger the genetic response that makes      fish instinctively attack and eat their pray    * The body of the minnow wiggles naturally as it swims    * Why it works: we took the hook out of the back and moved it to      the mouth    * Neutral buoyancy-so it neither floats to the surface or goes      crashing to the bottom    * Complete 110 piece fishing system    * Bonus gifts: 4 Banjo Frogs, instructional video, and lure box

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ROFLMAO Thanks, that made my day, Tim August 12, 1998  Denver The Albanian Flyfishing Team, still reeling (as it were) from its dismal showing in the world flyfishing championship recently concluded in Poland, today announced its endorsement of the famous Banjo Minno.

        (snip)         of course, everybody knows they won’t have a chance in hell for success until they turn to wholesale use of sinking line…         a. wayne harrison

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The whole Banjo fishing system sounds like a winner.. but I play guitar… damn.. edwin                               Banjo Mino Catch More Fish Than You Ever Dreamed Possible!

August 12, 1998  Denver The Albanian Flyfishing Team, still reeling (as it were) from its dismal showing in the world flyfishing championship recently concluded in Poland, today announced its endorsement of the famous Banjo Minno.  Some observers speculated that the 50 free banjo minnos and $10 gift certificate provided by the manufacturer were the motivating factors in the endorsement, but team members assured the press conference that product quality and fishing results alone secured this valuable addition to the banjo minno family of users. "We’re off to Canada tomorrow", said Romczky Xudycz, team captain, "at the invitation of two guys that host a nationwide TV program on fishing.  Our fame is assured".

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The whole Banjo fishing system sounds like a winner.. but I play guitar… damn.. edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                               Banjo Mino Catch More Fish Than You Ever Dreamed Possible! The world’s first genetic response fishing lure!    * Specially designed to trigger the genetic response that makes      fish instinctively attack and eat their pray    * The body of the minnow wiggles naturally as it swims    * Why it works: we took the hook out of the back and moved it to      the mouth    * Neutral buoyancy-so it neither floats to the surface or goes      crashing to the bottom    * Complete 110 piece fishing system    * Bonus gifts: 4 Banjo Frogs, instructional video, and lure box

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? First task is to remove all fat or flesh from the skin.  When this is done, some tyers do not bother with any preservative, since they are not going to use the skin for any purpose, i.e. it does not need to stay flexible.

No, but it does need to be bug resistant.  I find that soaking bird or mammal skins in a saturated borax solution* and then drying them in a tray full of borax bug-proofs them without the use of anything smelly or toxic. *Fill a pail with hot water.  Add borax (plain unscented washing soda) and stir.  Keep adding borax until no more will dissolve.  Cool to room temperature. Soak your skins. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers?

snip….. snip…. No, but it does need to be bug resistant.  I find that soaking bird or mammal skins in a saturated borax solution* and then drying them in a tray full of borax bug-proofs them without the use of anything smelly or toxic. *Fill a pail with hot water.  Add borax (plain unscented washing soda) and stir.  Keep adding borax until no more will dissolve.  Cool to room temperature. Soak your skins.

Here’s another method that has worked well for me. Scrape all fat off the underside of the skin. Tack the skin to a board or piece of cardboard with the feathers down. Make sure the feathers are dry and arranged the way you want them before you do this. Sprinkle dry borax on the scraped skin surface covering all exposed skin. Be generous with the Borax. It will absorb water out of the skin. I kind of pile it on. Let it sit out for a few days to a few weeks. I don’t know the minimum time because I often set these out in the garage or basement and forget them for a while. A low humidity area would be best. When the skin is crinkly dry, untack it and brush off the borax and you are done. For a final treatment, put it in a plastic baggy and run it through several freeze-thaw cycles in order to kill any remaining resident insects. Cheers. Jon

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I’ve used footpowder to "cure" moose hide and it really works. Don’t see why it wouldn’t do the same thing on capes :O)  It’s also inexpesive and goes a long ways. Keith P

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured? Any information on this procedure would be very appreciated. Trout Bum.

I just use plain old course salt.  Just spread the salt generously over the hyde and lay out in the sun, feather side down of course.  The saly draws out the moisture and the sun evaporates it.  After the skin is dry I shake off the excess salt then dust with talcum powder.  I still have pelts from pheasant season of two years ago, works great for me.                                                         Spy in Hawaii

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used?

Hi BB, Years ago, I had some young customers that would go to the local live stock auction and bid on old roosters. They said they paid about $2 to $3 for live birds. They killed and skinned them. They tacked the skins feather side down, skin side up on a wood surface. They used salt to dry up and cure the skins. After they are real dry and stiff, I would put them into an airtight container or a big zip lock bag. As far as dying the feathers goes, you can use Rite or Vinyards(sp) dye. It is an art and not many do it well. The skin/feathers have to be clean, de-greased and moistened to except the dye. You put the dye into water and control the temperature so as to not ‘burn’ or ‘cook’ the feathers. I think we added something like rubbing alcohol to set the dye? You need very white hackle if you are looking for bright colors. Black is very hard to get. It can turn out purple. I hear about ‘cold’ dying processes. Good luck and have fun. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi, The method I used to preserve some pheasant skins was to scrape off as much fat as possible with a *non-serated edge* butter knife, stretch out and tack the skin feather side down, rub out and let dry with rock salt (usually 2 or 3 applications) and finally to cover the remaining almost-clean skin with borax. Then I let it dry in the garage for about 2 weeks.   Then I put them in a zip-lock bag.  Still have some of one skin left after ~12 years.

**SNIP** As far as dying the feathers goes, you can use Rite or Vinyards(sp) dye. It is an art and not many do it well. The skin/feathers have to be clean, de-greased and moistened to except the dye. You put the dye into water and control the temperature so as to not ‘burn’ or ‘cook’ the feathers. I think we added something like rubbing alcohol to set the dye? You need very white hackle if you are looking for bright colors. Black is very hard to get. It can turn out purple. I hear about ‘cold’ dying processes. Good luck and have fun.

To get a decent black with RIT dye you also have to add some brown into the mix.  Added a bit of Vinegar to set the dye (insturctions on the package). Like Bill said, you have to be careful with the temperatures (use a candy thermometer) or you can ruin some great feathers.   This is a very messy process but is worth the effort if you can’t get what you need locally and you can dye a bunch of stuff at once.  A.K. Best has a book out on dying materials that is quite good if your interested.                                   Good Fishing,                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured?   Any information on this procedure would be very appreciated. Trout Bum.

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used?

First task is to remove all fat or flesh from the skin.  When this is done, some tyers do not bother with any preservative, since they are not going to use the skin for any purpose, i.e. it does not need to stay flexible. Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured?  

See Eric Leiser’s Fly Tying Materials (1973) or other books.  The main points seem to be preliminary rinse with a mordant, to maximize dye’s effect, and then control of temperature to avoid cooking (the way egg white is transformed by high temperature.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I’m planning a steelhead trip on the Eel last week in January.  Would appreciate any advice, including flies to use, etc. Thanks, David

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I’m planning a steelhead trip on the Eel last week in January.  Would appreciate any advice, including flies to use, etc. Thanks, David

Call the Eureka Fly Shop in Eureka. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Correction, give the wrong site, try the following for northern california coast rivers. http://www.northcoastweb.com/fishing/ Mike

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I’m planning a steelhead trip on the Eel last week in January.  Would appreciate any advice, including flies to use, etc. Thanks, David

Cast on over to Northern California Fly Fishing for some good info.  http://www2.ecst.csuchico.edu:80/~jschlich/Flyfish/flyfish.html Mike

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard I have been flyfishing in Jenson Beach area of Florida without great results..I would be interested in information on your {hot flies and how to fish them.     Thanks, TomI plan on a "business trip" to central Florida the first part of May and

plan to fish in the Titusville area.  I would like to know more about your flies and other patterns that are successful in the area.

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Mark: I am headed to S.W.Florida- would really like to have some trout and redfish flies and also the best type of places to fish them. Thanks-Alex

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I would like to hear about those flies also. Jerry Virzi

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For all these fish there are several types of flies that are very successful: 1)  Clouser Minnows 2)  Lefty’s Deceivers 3)  Crazy Charlies and other shrimp/crab immitations. These all work well on the Texas flats, assume they will work in Flordia or elsewhere.

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard

I have been flyfishing in Jenson Beach area of Florida without great results..I would be interested in information on your {hot flies and how to fish them.     Thanks, Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any info or sources for info on flyfishing in the Pyrenees — either in France or in Spain? Steven Locke, M.D. Harvard Pilgrim Health Care 617-859-5415 voice 617-527-3343 fax

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No, but there’s a river in Toldedo Spain that looked kind of "troutish"In – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any info or sources for info on flyfishing in the Pyrenees — either in France or in Spain? Steven Locke, M.D. Harvard Pilgrim Health Care 617-859-5415 voice 617-527-3343 fax

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Try contacting Cantabrian Travel Ltd. 220 NActon Road, Ipswich, Suffolk IP3 9JN Tel 01473 71743 Fax 01473 272571 The proprietor arranges holiday accomodation in Spain and fishing permits.  He appears to be a fly fisherman and seems to know a bit about it, he suggested that for when we are going the permit would be a waste of time and money as the rivers would be very low so seems to know his stuff – and is an honest travel agent ;-o

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Anyone have any info or sources for info on flyfishing in the Pyrenees — either in France or in Spain? Steven Locke, M.D. Harvard Pilgrim Health Care 617-859-5415 voice 617-527-3343 fax

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Someone told me that a magazine by Frank Amato (FlyFishing, I think) had an article published over the last two years that told one how to fish the Florida Keys…out of a car, and camp.  It supposed to tell the mile markers to go to and everything.  If anyone knows about this article, can you either send me a copy or tell me which issue it was in. Thanks, Bulldog #                         |  "I wanted to look for you.  You walked in; I # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   didn’t know just what I should do, so I     # #                         |   for myself." – Hootie & The Blowfish        #

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The article I think you might be looking for is in Flyfishing Mag. (Jan-Feb) 1994 starting on page 46.  I got lucky and happened to have cliped the article for future reference.  If you would like me to Fax it shoot you the article.

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Aren’t they the ones that eat their own young?

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Not only will they eat their young they will also take a #28 Adams on 8X …. give it a try…. Thats how I get over cabin fever.  by the way make sure to use barbless hooks, guppies don’t seem to recover well from

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Well, I was down in Louisianna and stopped off on the side of the road at a creek.  Little minnows were swimming around on the surface.  I had some #14 hooks and some little pieces of worm.  The water was about 6 feet down from where my gf and I were standing.  We let our lines down and the minnows would grab the worm, not able to get the hook in their mouth.   They would hold onto it just enough that you could sling them out of the water.  We flicked them high enough that they went flying in the air and we would catch them in our hands.  We kept them in a bucket for some catfishing that night.  They did not seem to be harmed too much by their sudden flights into the air.  Guess its another way to catch fish.

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