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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead?

KY Jelly? –Steve

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Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman

Kissass…… –waldo

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LO fucking L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink. — Citizen Fisherman

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Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink.

Eh, what the hell… Better check with the manufacturer of your Inflato-sheep, Sybil…I hear it eats through that kind of cheap vinyl… …and if the owner(s) of the name "Inflato-sheep" wanna sue me, I have something else they can wrap their lips around and attempt to inflate…

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink. Eh, what the hell… Better check with the manufacturer of your Inflato-sheep, Sybil…I hear it eats through that kind of cheap vinyl… …and if the owner(s) of the name "Inflato-sheep" wanna sue me, I have something else they can wrap their lips around and attempt to inflate…

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Any Loon product would be worth the investment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead?

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in…

Yup, as I suspected – <yawn…OK…try eBay… Come on, Sybil, I KNOW you got it in ya – you can be a veritable gold mine…

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Any Loon product would be worth the investment.

Um, well, wouldn’t that be the same…oh, you mean the OTHER Loon product…oh, geez, another innocent victim is gonna hear from the team of "Bert, Ernie, and Oscar, LLP"….frankly, and this isn’t a legal opinion, he just might a have a case there, first use and all… TC, R

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I’m completely in the dark here. You don’t use floatant with bass bugs. Can somebody overcome their repulsion long enough to give me the scoop. I DO NOT want to show up at any trout stream with this Gink shit. (smooch)… — Citizen Fisherman I’m starting to grow on you, admit it. Don’t worry. The Doctor can prescribe an ointment… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any Loon product would be worth the investment. Um, well, wouldn’t that be the same…oh, you mean the OTHER Loon product…oh, geez, another innocent victim is gonna hear from the team of "Bert, Ernie, and Oscar, LLP"….frankly, and this isn’t a legal opinion, he just might a have a case there, first use and all… TC, R

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in… Yup, as I suspected – <yawn…OK…try eBay… Come on, Sybil, I KNOW you got it in ya – you can be a veritable gold mine…

See, that’s the thing about high expectations. Wolfgang who knows that tetherballs really DO rule the universe

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

        post of the fucking month. who loves ya, waldo! (how’s that for kissass, you lying scumbag?)

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Wolfgang who knows that tetherballs really DO rule the universe

Sad, oh so sad, but true. MC

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Right before my innocent eyes, I saw this perfectly sane, highly intelligent man go banana!  He was last seen with a spade in hand, digging this big hole. After a few hours, he climbed out, pulling the ladder out after himself, picked up his fly fishing vest and threw it into the hole.  Two hours later, it was all filled back end. Satisfied, he picked up a little bottle of Gink and one of Xink, put them into his shirt pocket and smiling in great satisfaction, returned the spade to his pal, Harrison. Observing his beaming face, "Mr. Harrison, esq." asked, "How’d it go?" "I learned him!" he smiled. Wayne Harrison could see the tears welling up in Waldo’s eyes so he took him in his arms to comfort him as he sobbed these deep, throbbing sobs of relief. "Don’t you feel better now that you buried that bottle of World Excellent Product Gink & Xink?" Waldo stiffens and backs off with this blank, far away look.  His lower lip begins to quiver and his right hand shoots to his mouth for self control.  He bites down on his shooting finger and then, suddenly he lets out this horrifying, Arrrrgggguuuhhhhhhhhh! The last we saw of this scene as the reporter peaked over the back fence was Wayne Harrison handing the spade back to Waldo and walking away, slowly shaking his head. Waldo collaped where he stood until Winter’s White Wagon fetched him up to deliver him home to the new mound, still fresh . . . and somewhere, there, deep down in the earth,  a vest full of flies waited for the return of what he still had in his shirt pocket. We love you Walt.  Hang tough man.  You’re going to make it yet! Your Pal in the Great N.W. State of Washington, George Gehrke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right before my innocent eyes, I saw this perfectly sane, highly intelligent man go banana!  He was last seen with a spade in hand, digging this big hole. After a few hours, he climbed out, pulling the ladder out after himself, picked up his fly fishing vest and threw it into the hole.  Two hours later, it was all filled back end. (in?)  Could it be "IN?"  Heads yes, Tails no. Satisfied, he picked up a little bottle of Gink and one of Xink, put them into his shirt pocket and smiling in great satisfaction, returned the spade to his pal, Harrison. Observing his beaming face, "Mr. Harrison, esq." asked, "How’d it go?" "I learned him!" he smiled. Wayne Harrison could see the tears welling up in Waldo’s eyes so he took him in his arms to comfort him as he sobbed these deep, throbbing sobs of relief. "Don’t you feel better now that you buried that bottle of World Excellent Product Gink & Xink?" Waldo stiffens and backs off with this blank, far away look.  His lower lip begins to quiver and his right hand shoots to his mouth for self control.  He bites down on his shooting finger and then, suddenly he lets out this horrifying, Arrrrgggguuuhhhhhhhhh! The last we saw of this scene as the reporter peaked over the back fence was Wayne Harrison handing the spade back to Waldo and walking away, slowly shaking his head. Waldo collaped where he stood until Winter’s White Wagon fetched him up to deliver him home to the new mound, still fresh . . . and somewhere, there, deep down in the earth,  a vest full of flies waited for the return of what he still had in his shirt pocket. We love you Walt.  Hang tough man.  You’re going to make it yet! Your Pal in the Great N.W. State of Washington, George Gehrke To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman

And here I thought you were a real man!

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I’m not real… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman And here I thought you were a real man!

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I recommend potassium cyanide mixed 50-50 with DMSO. It only works, though, if you apply it with bare hands.

Now,  _that’s_ funny!!

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Right before my innocent eyes, <sumthin snipped yer just green cuz i got nominated fer "post of the month"…. –waldo

yah, I know . . . but did the final vote come in  yet?  Its hard for a dang yankee like myself fighting that N.C. political coalition.  You have the edge on me pal.  I’ll settle for "Honorable Mention"

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Right before my innocent eyes, <sumthin snipped

yer just green cuz i got nominated fer "post of the month"…. –waldo

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This is a public service announcement, by a concerned private individual. The author of the above post,  has lied, cheated, and stolen from members of this newsgroup. He is also known for his tendency to vitriolic abuse of a severe and personal nature, barely intelligible ranting of an insulting nature, completely ridiculous and self aggrandising stories also invariably of an insulting nature, and for spamming his products incessantly. Past experience has clearly demonstrated that it is best to avoid any contact with him, if one wishes to avoid trouble. This announcement is not an opinion on his products, or an opinion on the person concerned, it is simply a statement of fact, and a well meant warning. Various methods have been tried to rid the group of this person, but due to the nature of usenet, and as he apparently possesses neither shame, nor morals, to any discernible degree, and has a wide range of ISP

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Hi Mike, I would take a larger #7, 8 or 9 weight outfit with a floating line. It is better during the summer and particularly in the Fall (Oct) when the wind lays down, but if it is warm, who knows, it could be great?. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in the Brownsville, TX area next month and would like to take an extra day while I’m there for a little fishing. Is it worth it at this time of the year? Can anyone recommend a guide? I’m thinking along the lines of redfish, or whatever in the nearby bays. Thanks. — Mike Terrian terrian at ibm dot net

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I’m going to be in the Brownsville, TX area next month and would like to take an extra day while I’m there for a little fishing. Is it worth it at this time of the year? Can anyone recommend a guide? I’m thinking along the lines of redfish, or whatever in the nearby bays. Thanks. — Mike Terrian terrian at ibm dot net

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Mike, Don’t go! If you do go, leave the area immediately!  You might see the flag of a once independent Texas which would be offensive to all with eyesight and will create an off-topic thread from which we will never recover .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in the Brownsville, TX area next month and would like to take an extra day while I’m there for a little fishing. Is it worth it at this time of the year? Can anyone recommend a guide? I’m thinking along the lines of redfish, or whatever in the nearby bays. Thanks. — Mike Terrian terrian at ibm dot net

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Mike, I recommend Eric Glass, Gib Little or any one that Larry Haines at The Shop in Port Isabel recommends.  This time of year can be hot for Reds and Specs.  I friend of mine has been taking Snook in the Arroyo.  Unfortunately we just had a chemical spill in the Port of Brownsville and that may damage or disrupt some of our snook fishery.  Eric # is 956.761.2878.  Gib’s 761.7682.  Larry is at 943.1785.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in the Brownsville, TX area next month and would like to take an extra day while I’m there for a little fishing. Is it worth it at this time of the year? Can anyone recommend a guide? I’m thinking along the lines of redfish, or whatever in the nearby bays. Thanks. — Mike Terrian terrian at ibm dot net

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Unfortunately we just had a chemical spill in the Port of Brownsville and that may damage or disrupt some of our snook fishery.

It’s so comforting to know that due to Gov. George Bush the oil and gas industry in Texas is permitted to comply with environmental regulations in a purely "voluntary" manner. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Yeah, well it wasn’t oil nor gas. The truck driver broke the law and was hauled of by the Texas Department of Public Safety.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately we just had a chemical spill in the Port of Brownsville and that may damage or disrupt some of our snook fishery. It’s so comforting to know that due to Gov. George Bush the oil and gas industry in Texas is permitted to comply with environmental regulations in a purely "voluntary" manner. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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This seems a particularly inauspicious time to post a report about George’s handiwork, but then again when the hell isn’t it.  He will piss off most of ROFF every other post.  Nevertheless, I promised this report and ROFF will get it. The brown truck arrived this afternoon as promised.  This evening, I departed for Spring Creek with  a 4 and 5 wt line as well as a comparison rod.  I am not an expert on cane rods, although I have two which I fish regularly.  One is a 1950’s vintage Orvis with the letter line rating that translates to a 6 wt.  That rod was not unsheathed this evening.  The other is -at least until now – my favorite.  I purchased it at Farlow’s, Pall Mall, London and it is a 7 ft. 4-5 wt. Tony and Mike, among others,  will know of the store.  When I was there (1989) the cane rods were all stowed across the rafters in the ceiling, while the carbon rods were on display along the walls.  I climbed a ladder and picked out several rods, eventually purchasing one without the benefit of casting -which was not possible under the circumstances.  That rod, however, is a magnificent fishing tool. I took the Bastard to Spring Creek fitted out with a four weight line and fished it.  The rod was a superb fishing tool.  At normal fishing distances – for me 30-40 feet – it performed as well as any rod I have fished.  Then, I went up on the bank along the stream for some pure casting comparisons and put the 4 wt. line on the Farlow’s rod. After that, back to the Bastard for more casting.  At normal fishing distances, the Bastard was better.   With a modest double haul I could put out about 50 ft., but that was the absolute limit at my abilities. The Farlow’s rod can get better  distance than that – I punched out 60 ft. this evening.  But to George’s credit the Bastard is lighter and at normal fishing ranges it peforms better than the Farlow’s rod.  Of course, I  understand that Wayne Cattanech (sp?)did not make the comparison rod and I am hardly the equivilent of Steve Rajeff. Nevertheless, the Bastard is a fine product that by my standards is all that I could ask for in a bamboo rod.  The only thing I would change is to use a cigar rather than full wells grip. Thanks George, and the check is in the mail. Mark Faulkner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This seems a particularly inauspicious time to post a report about George’s handiwork, but then again when the hell isn’t it.  He will piss off most of ROFF every other post.  Nevertheless, I promised this report and ROFF will get it. The brown truck arrived this afternoon as promised.  This evening, I departed for Spring Creek with  a 4 and 5 wt line as well as a comparison rod.  I am not an expert on cane rods, although I have two which I fish regularly.  One is a 1950’s vintage Orvis with the letter line rating that translates to a 6 wt.  That rod was not unsheathed this evening.  The other is -at least until now – my favorite.  I purchased it at Farlow’s, Pall Mall, London and it is a 7 ft. 4-5 wt. Tony and Mike, among others,  will know of the store.  When I was there (1989) the cane rods were all stowed across the rafters in the ceiling, while the carbon rods were on display along the walls.  I climbed a ladder and picked out several rods, eventually purchasing one without the benefit of casting -which was not possible under the circumstances.  That rod, however, is a magnificent fishing tool. I took the Bastard to Spring Creek fitted out with a four weight line and fished it.  The rod was a superb fishing tool.  At normal fishing distances – for me 30-40 feet – it performed as well as any rod I have fished.  Then, I went up on the bank along the stream for some pure casting comparisons and put the 4 wt. line on the Farlow’s rod. After that, back to the Bastard for more casting.  At normal fishing distances, the Bastard was better.   With a modest double haul I could put out about 50 ft., but that was the absolute limit at my abilities. The Farlow’s rod can get better  distance than that – I punched out 60 ft. this evening.  But to George’s credit the Bastard is lighter and at normal fishing ranges it peforms better than the Farlow’s rod.  Of course, I  understand that Wayne Cattanech (sp?)did not make the comparison rod and I am hardly the equivilent of Steve Rajeff. Nevertheless, the Bastard is a fine product that by my standards is all that I could ask for in a bamboo rod.  The only thing I would change is to use a cigar rather than full wells grip. Thanks George, and the check is in the mail. Mark Faulkner

Very nice report Mark. But I gotta know, did ya get skunked? walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Hi Walt,  My brother is looking for a Cortland Fairplay line in WF4F, I didn’t see one listed on your site…do they even make a WF4F?  Come to think of it, all I’ve ever seen in WallyWorld is 5 & 6 wt.  Just curious… Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

| | This seems a particularly inauspicious time to post a report about | George’s handiwork, but then again when the hell isn’t it.  He will piss | off most of ROFF every other post.  Nevertheless, I promised this report | and ROFF will get it. | | The brown truck arrived this afternoon as promised.  This evening, I | departed for Spring Creek with  a 4 and 5 wt line as well as a | comparison rod.  I am not an expert on cane rods, although I have two | which I fish regularly.  One is a 1950’s vintage Orvis with the letter | line rating that translates to a 6 wt.  That rod was not unsheathed this | evening.  The other is -at least until now – my favorite.  I purchased | it at Farlow’s, Pall Mall, London and it is a 7 ft. 4-5 wt. Tony and | Mike, among others,  will know of the store.  When I was there (1989) | the cane rods were all stowed across the rafters in the ceiling, while | the carbon rods were on display along the walls.  I climbed a ladder and | picked out several rods, eventually purchasing one without the benefit | of casting -which was not possible under the circumstances.  That rod, | however, is a magnificent fishing tool. | | I took the Bastard to Spring Creek fitted out with a four weight line | and fished it.  The rod was a superb fishing tool.  At normal fishing | distances – for me 30-40 feet – it performed as well as any rod I have | fished.  Then, I went up on the bank along the stream for some pure | casting comparisons and put the 4 wt. line on the Farlow’s rod. After | that, back to the Bastard for more casting.  At normal fishing | distances, the Bastard was better.   With a modest double haul I could | put out about 50 ft., but that was the absolute limit at my abilities. | The Farlow’s rod can get better  distance than that – I punched out 60 | ft. this evening.  But to George’s credit the Bastard is lighter and at | normal fishing ranges it peforms better than the Farlow’s rod.  Of | course, I  understand that Wayne Cattanech (sp?)did not make the | comparison rod and I am hardly the equivilent of Steve Rajeff. | Nevertheless, the Bastard is a fine product that by my standards is all | that I could ask for in a bamboo rod.  The only thing I would change is | to use a cigar rather than full wells grip. | | Thanks George, and the check is in the mail. | | Mark Faulkner | |Very nice report Mark. But I gotta know, did ya get skunked? | |walt | |– |Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com |BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS |P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001 | |

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Same old story as many others really….

(another tale of woe snipped) Joe –  Several years ago I finished fishing Spring Creek at dark, just below Bellefonte, and put my cane rod on the roof of my car while I got out of my waders, had a beer, etc.  As you would suspect, it wasn’t until I heard the rod roll off the roof of the car onto the asphalt that I realized the magnitude of my stupidity. Mark Faulkner

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Very nice report Mark. But I gotta know, did ya get skunked? Yes. MF

Mark is too much the gentleman to say this, but I understand that conditions are abysmal in PA.  Spring Creek has been reduced to a trickle, Penns is a puddle, and Fishing hardly flows.  Under such conditions not even the vaunted George could tease up a fish. Peter P.S.  We’ll have to have ourselves a little cane shootout once life gets breathed back into that little creek.

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Joe –  Several years ago I finished fishing

Spring Creek at dark, just below Bellefonte, and put my cane rod on the roof of

my car while I got out of my waders, had a beer, etc.  As you would suspect,

it wasn’t until I heard the rod roll off the roof of the car onto the asphalt

that I realized the magnitude of my stupidity. Mark Faulkner

Mark; The three basic rules of fishing cane rods are: when you are thru fishing, 1-take care of the rod! 2-take care of the rod! 3-take care of the rod! follow all three steps BEFORE moving on to removing waders, drinking beer,etc. and your rods will last much longer John Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Joe and Jon – Bellefonte is still a nice little town, that has the additional advantage of a first class trout stream running right through it.  The story of the six weight deserves to be told. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mark: I’ve got an uncle in Bellfonte (sp?), and family (with land and creeks) in Brookville. I grew up catching brookies there. Nice area, Ditto that.   I used to go there on business and knock off early to fish Spring Creek.   Bellefonte is a pretty little town (I thought).   Despite driving my car over my 6 wt. there, I’ve always wanted to come back. Joe F.

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Joe and Jon – Bellefonte is still a nice little town, that has the additional advantage of a first class trout stream running right through it.  The story of the six weight deserves to be told.

Same old story as many others really.   I was downstream from Bellefonte toward Fisherman’s Paradise trying to squeeze in just a few more casts before having to be somewhere else.   I came out of the stream and began packing up in a hurry.   Waders off, shoes on, vest off, etc.   For some reason I was distracted enough to leave my rod leaning against the passenger side of the car when I backed up to leave.   I heard the rod scrape against the side as it fell and realized what I’d done, but too late.   From the position of the rod, I certainly had run over the tip. Surprisingly, it looked undamaged except for a slightly bent guide, so I put it back in the sock and tube and went on my way.   It wasn’t until weeks later getting ready to fish the Tulpehocken that I thought to check it out before I hiked down to the stream in my waders.   I tried a quick cast on the parking area and; well, lets just say the rod was a bit less stiff than I liked. Joe F.

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Very nice report Mark. But I gotta know, did ya get skunked?

Yes. MF

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Mark: I’ve got an uncle in Bellfonte (sp?), and family (with land and creeks) in Brookville. I grew up catching brookies there. Nice area,

Ditto that.   I used to go there on business and knock off early to fish Spring Creek.   Bellefonte is a pretty little town (I thought).   Despite driving my car over my 6 wt. there, I’ve always wanted to come back. Joe F.

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Hi Frank, The Fairplay line isn’t manufactured in a 4wt., 5wt being the smallest. It is a good line for the money….I have one loaded on a Danica Large Arbor reel and it performs quite nicely. There is a 4wt 333HT but it costs more. However, all the 333 lines are on sale everyday at ez…. –Walt, puttin the lid back on the can. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Walt,  My brother is looking for a Cortland Fairplay line in WF4F, I didn’t see one listed on your site…do they even make a WF4F?  Come to think of it, all I’ve ever seen in WallyWorld is 5 & 6 wt.  Just curious… Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET. | | This seems a particularly inauspicious time to post a report about | George’s handiwork, but then again when the hell isn’t it.  He will piss | off most of ROFF every other post.  Nevertheless, I promised this report | and ROFF will get it. | | The brown truck arrived this afternoon as promised.  This evening, I | departed for Spring Creek with  a 4 and 5 wt line as well as a | comparison rod.  I am not an expert on cane rods, although I have two | which I fish regularly.  One is a 1950’s vintage Orvis with the letter | line rating that translates to a 6 wt.  That rod was not unsheathed this | evening.  The other is -at least until now – my favorite.  I purchased | it at Farlow’s, Pall Mall, London and it is a 7 ft. 4-5 wt. Tony and | Mike, among others,  will know of the store.  When I was there (1989) | the cane rods were all stowed across the rafters in the ceiling, while | the carbon rods were on display along the walls.  I climbed a ladder and | picked out several rods, eventually purchasing one without the benefit | of casting -which was not possible under the circumstances.  That rod, | however, is a magnificent fishing tool. | | I took the Bastard to Spring Creek fitted out with a four weight line | and fished it.  The rod was a superb fishing tool.  At normal fishing | distances – for me 30-40 feet – it performed as well as any rod I have | fished.  Then, I went up on the bank along the stream for some pure | casting comparisons and put the 4 wt. line on the Farlow’s rod. After | that, back to the Bastard for more casting.  At normal fishing | distances, the Bastard was better.   With a modest double haul I could | put out about 50 ft., but that was the absolute limit at my abilities. | The Farlow’s rod can get better  distance than that – I punched out 60 | ft. this evening.  But to George’s credit the Bastard is lighter and at | normal fishing ranges it peforms better than the Farlow’s rod.  Of | course, I  understand that Wayne Cattanech (sp?)did not make the | comparison rod and I am hardly the equivilent of Steve Rajeff. | Nevertheless, the Bastard is a fine product that by my standards is all | that I could ask for in a bamboo rod.  The only thing I would change is | to use a cigar rather than full wells grip. | | Thanks George, and the check is in the mail. | | Mark Faulkner | |Very nice report Mark. But I gotta know, did ya get skunked? | |walt | |– |Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com |BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS |P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001 | |

– Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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steve, by far the best post yet on the whole issue of  bastard rods thanks for your time and effort chris smith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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Steve….     As someone who has lurked more than participated in the Bastard Bamboo Rod fiasco, I was more than a little uncomfortable that such extreme positions were taken on one side or the other.  Your report, coupled with photos, is, in my opinion, the best post on the subject to date.  It was a fair and accurate report and you did a good job of articulating your opinions and backing them up with photos.  Thank you.  I think that anyone thinking about purchasing a Bastard Rod will be in a much better position to make a purchase decision thanks to you..     As to those who took "extreme positions" in their posts, I’m not throwing rocks at any of you.  If you were not happy with the quality of the rod you received, then all of the feelings attached to such a transaction are going to find their way into your post.  Similarly, when George felt that he was being "attacked", his defensive posture also came through in his posts.  All of this is understandable.     It was nice, however, to see a post like Steve’s Barry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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Steve, I got to tell you, that was a beautiful well done work. Although I haven’t been around in a while ( I relocated and been busy with the new home), I found a little time to read some post. I must say that the post concerning the Bastard production line held my interest. Although George has his foes, he has a respectable amount of heart. If his rods are lacking (judging by the previous posts), I am sure that they will improve with experience. Chris Fleitman Fisherman by nature-goofball by society.

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Steve, Nice pictures. I had wanted to see the tipping wraps. I had a dicussion with George on his chat room one night about and he had told me that they were four threads wide. But on your pictures some of the guide wraps are tipped and some are not. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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will, i got involved with george origionally on VFS. i pointed out an inconsistancy in a statement he made about pricing  which included a general insult to a large group of people. i was polite. he replied with venom and vitriol. i contacted him privately. we communicated calmly and civily. he offered to send me a rod to see for myself how well made it was. not to buy, just to try. i said if he’s willing to go that far the least i can do is buy it – if it’s as good a rod as he claimes. sadly the rod he sent was pretty miserable. not suprising since it was one of the rods he’d sent to daytripper. which was returned  -which george said was so bad he destroyed it -which he now claims is perfectly fine. i told him i would give him a chance to talk about it privately before i posted my thoughts publicly, which was something i stated i planned on doing right up front. i sent him my review and had no responce. i sent him another request to respond and a time when i would post  publicly.from the time i posted to him to the time i posted publicly( 2 days) george was on line responding to and attacking others. my post was polite and truthful with a couple suggestions and best wishes for future success. his responce was typical george-i was made out to be a liar and ignorant. my next reply was georgian. if he can’t take it he shouldn’t dish it. i’m glad codemarine recieved a rod he’s happy with. it’s alot nicer looking than mine. BUT if you look at the cane work you can see there is room for improvement. the flats irregularities show up even in online photos. georges claimes of being better than Granger, Heddon et al are bad for this reason; it blinds george to realization that there is room for improvement in the bastards. if he keeps this attitude about his work and continues to trash anyone who dares disagree with him or finds fault with one of his rods, he’s hurting himself and his business. i for one tried to give the guy a chance AFTER he had ripped into me and look where it got me. on george gehrkes’ ENEMIES LIST. i wish him luck because with him instabilities he’s gonna need it.  bob smith                  .  I do believe George    is honestly   doing his best to satisfy all his customer< —–he has a funny way of going about it—

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 Steve;  A wonderful report on the Bastard Bamboo Flyrod. It’s been extremely interesting reading these posts on ROFF about these rods. I’m a graphite man myself–although I do, on occasion bring out my Orvis Battenkill 8′ 6 wt. circa 1965.   I have no intention of ordering a Bastard–and if I did–I’d have to consider that decision quite carefully after reading some of these exchanges. Well done, Thanks!   Dave M

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Bill: Thanks for a thoughful and conciliatory post.  I wish you would post more often. I myself enjoy quite a reputation for my rod building talent (glass & graphite), but hesitate at the challenge of building a bamboo from scratch.

I apologize ahead of time if I should recognize your name/business in a commercial flyrod context, but I don’t.  Do you build rods commercially, or just as a hobby? The reason I ask is that I honestly wonder how other people who post here, *and* make a living somehow from flyfishing, feel about George’s commercial use of this group.  It has always been shrugged off in the past as the acceptable (to some) price that was paid for all the "contributions" he made to roff.  Personally, I’m having a hard time seeing the contributions of late, but maybe that’s just me. Bob Before you buy.

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Bob, You really shouldn’t recognize my name/business.  I’m just a "have fun" flyfisher who enjoys the sport immensely.  I’ve been involved with many Fly Fishing clubs at one time or another and have taught several rod building classes in my time.  Lost count of the number of rods I’ve built at around 300 or so and that was quite a few years ago.  I just enjoy getting the best performance I can out of a blank. Most of my rods have been donated to good causes or traded for flies.  I definitely have a reputation for having built more rods than flies.  I did meet George at a show a few years back and I believe him to be sincere although a little sensitive concerning his products.  In my opinion, he tries too hard to make everyone satisfied (which is impossible) and then is hurt when someone isn’t satisfied.  His commercial posting on ROFF would seem out of place to me if it wasn’t for the fact he seems to be a part of the group.  Each group needs a diverse set of personalities.  George contributes to the group on a regular basis, providing information, insight, and definitely excitement. You haven’t seen me post very often, because I’m too busy.  Life has caught up to me and I had to get an education to change careers.  I just graduated with a BS degree in information systems while working 65 hours per week. Lurking on ROFF has helped me keep some sanity in my life during this time that I’ve been locked into my studies.  Hopefully not too long now until I can get employed at a real job and will be able to enjoy my weekends fishing again. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill: Thanks for a thoughful and conciliatory post.  I wish you would post more often. I myself enjoy quite a reputation for my rod building talent (glass & graphite), but hesitate at the challenge of building a bamboo from scratch. I apologize ahead of time if I should recognize your name/business in a commercial flyrod context, but I don’t.  Do you build rods commercially, or just as a hobby? The reason I ask is that I honestly wonder how other people who post here, *and* make a living somehow from flyfishing, feel about George’s commercial use of this group.  It has always been shrugged off in the past as the acceptable (to some) price that was paid for all the "contributions" he made to roff.  Personally, I’m having a hard time seeing the contributions of late, but maybe that’s just me. Bob Before you buy.

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Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

Steve, All I can say is OUT-FREAKING-STANDING!!! Well done!  A truely fair report and analysis.  I especially liked the pictures to back up the claims made and to actually receive my first glimpse of a bastard! A++ Warren Riding a horse through a stream and chopping down a tree near you!

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Just when we thought it was safe to go in the water

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This, I think, says it all. A masterful production, codemarine. My hat’s off to you. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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A breath of fresh air, a Bastard related post without name calling, well done and informative. Thanks, Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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Steve, you are to be congratulated on an excellent report on the B*stard rod, one I consider fair, well done and containing excellent advice for all concerned. I have stayed out of the fray, primarily because I am not in the running for a rod named B*stard, say what you will, but that is an offensive term to me. (maybe someday I’ll get over it) But I digress…I hope George takes to heart your advice, because, notwithstanding his reputation in ROFF, I wish him well.  Yours is not the first post stating that you found him to be a personable, decent fellow when not trading insults, etc. on ROFF. Let me say right up front that I believe these were honorable, trustworthy people who sent rods back to George, it is just incomprehensible to me that they would even consider dealing with George in any other way. It is my hope, yes even my plan to someday fish with Dave L., Daytripper, Mudfish and all the ROFFIANS that I can fit in to my fishing life, and yes, even George. Life is too short to spend it in any other way than to enjoy in person those people who I’ve come to know and respect on ROFF. It grieves me to see what has been going on these past weeks, for I’ve been a member of ROFF for over 5 yrs now and although I’m not a frequent poster, this group has jump-started my day (with a cup of coffee) for the past 5 years (when I’m not on the road)  It has become a part of my life, instead of having coffee and a donut, I have coffee and ROFF. And, a last special request to George…..read and reread CodeMarine’s advice, step back and give it some thought. As stated before, I wish you well in your rod venture, but you must change your public persona, and stop believing that people are out to "get you" with sabotage or other devious means to hurt your business venture.  Until you go nationwide with your rods, these folks on ROFF are all you’ve got to ’spread the word’ about B*stard rods. In other words, be cool George! In my opinion, _you_ are your own worst enemy, and only you can change that. Good luck and remember, regardless of what’s happened in the recent past, I’ll bet 99.9% of ROFFIANS want to see you succeed. I’m on the road this morning to Denver for 4 days, I want to see some positive feedback from you when I return George…..now, get your ass on over to http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ and read and heed! Respectfully, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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A really nice, balanced report — thanks!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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<<Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. Great post Steve.  Thank god for gentlemen.

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<SNIP Excellent.  Thank you very much for the effort. I am also glad that you enjoy the rod and am pleased for George. Hope he takes your suggestions to heart. TL MC

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Steve, A hearty THANKS from all of us.  A positive and informative post is as refreshing as one can get and with pictures to back it up. Kind of verifies what I have thought all along.  I don’t believe any "Lies" have really been said on this news group.  I do believe George is honestly doing his best to satisfy all his customers.  The fact that he sent those rods to Dave and Dave at the last minute is proof of this.  However, that was a definite business error on Georges part.  He himself admits rods #11 and #12 were sent out in a rush, I think perhaps with a cut back in Quality Analysis to make the deadline. An effort to satisfy a customer at the cost of the perfection George is striving for. Dave and Dave on the other hand having received these rods, noticed some imperfections and felt a need to correct George on these points.  An appropriate action to take.  An action I believe I would have taken under the circumstances. The blow up seems to have stemmed from this action. I believe George is a man of honor who honestly wants to help people enjoy the sport. And has accomplished that many many times over.  However George tends to take on challenges of large magnitude.  None of us would take on the challenge of producing a quality production bamboo flyrod.  In fact it’s quite difficult to produce a single quality bamboo fly rod. I myself enjoy quite a reputation for my rod building talent (glass & graphite), but hesitate at the challenge of building a bamboo from scratch. I believe George takes great pride in the work he does and as well he should.  He has accomplished the close to impossible in the challenges he has taken on. Several posts from satisfied customers verify this.  However I’m afraid he strives to perfection to a fault.  He wants every product he makes to satisfy everyone perfectly and he won’t stop till he gets there. Unfortunately, no one is capable of perfection,  so when a criticism is made it is perceived as an attack. Thus a defensive stance which provokes another defensive stance which then provokes another defensive stance and so on it goes. It is time each forgive one another.  Motives were correct from both sides of the camp.  Perceptions, however tend to have a life of their own. I’ve heard comments about complaining to ISP’s and such.  Come on, bury the hatchet.  Let’s enjoy one another as the Roffians that we are. I neither defend George nor Dave and Dave.  I simply believe that the majority of all this uproar is due to misperceptions on the part of all. George misperceived Dave & Dave’s comments as an attack and the correction George made to those comments were perceived as an attack.  It’s just time to forgive. Bill (the Lurker)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, all. I am the owner of a new Bastard bamboo rod and so I thought I’d share my experiences (and many photos) with you. I had planned to post my story directly to the group, but because the battle has escalated to such an extreme (and embarrassing) level, I’ve decided to post only a link to it. Here it is: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/gehrkerod/ If you’re interested, check it out and feel free to respond here or directly to my email address. For those of you at the Ball, I’ll see you soon!!! Steve Zimmerman

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Well thought through and well designed post Steve.  However, considering the touchiness of the situation, I will have to see the longer term results to say it was effective in all the areas you intended.  I do think your post serves well as a model for resolving intense, sometimes emotional, conflicts on ROFF. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Thanx for the help~!

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I am kinda new to fly fishing and new to this group. I do lots of fishing but not very much fly fishing. I got a fly rod 2 years ago and just put line on it today. I have some "No-tie" things that you put into the line that holds the leader into the backing. Is there an easy way to get the no-tie on there?? I am having trouble. Thanx

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I am kinda new to fly fishing and new to this group. I do lots of fishing but not very much fly fishing. I got a fly rod 2 years ago and just put line on it today. I have some "No-tie" things that you put into the line that holds the leader into the backing. Is there an easy way to get the no-tie on there?? I am having trouble. Thanx

So we’re talking about the same things the backing goes on the spool first. The backing connects to the fly line and the leader attaches to the fly line. By "no-tie" do you mean the braided loop connectors that go over the fly line or the metal eyes that you stick in the line? If it’s the latter the best thing to do is loose them and tie the backing directly to the flyline and then the leader directly to the fly line. In almost every box of fly line there is a little booklet that shows the knots to use to attach backing to the spool, the line to the backing and the leader to the line. Learn the knots – they can save the day as well as your equipment. The braided loop connectors are a good alternative to tying the backing and the leader to the fly line. These slip over the fly line and use a piece of heat shrink tubing to anchor the end to the line. When the loop is pulled the braid cinches down on the fly line and holds tight.  Now with the loop on the fly line and a loop tied in the leader and backing you can quickly connect the three lines together with the loop to loop handshake knot. When you tie a loop in the backing make it’s big enough that you can make the connection with the flyline while it’s still on the spool it came on.

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I’ve got the reports coming in from the MassWildlife.  They are generally posted on Fridays, but let’s just say when I get them, you get them.  http://www.fishine.com — Mark Cahill Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.fishingne.com The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Editorial Director http://www.reel-time.com/

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Uh, that url is actually http://www.fishingne.com Sorry! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got the reports coming in from the MassWildlife.  They are generally posted on Fridays, but let’s just say when I get them, you get them.  http://www.fishine.com — Mark Cahill Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.fishingne.com The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Editorial Director http://www.reel-time.com/

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I have an ‘M.sinensis giganteus’. The season is too short here in southern Ontario (USDA 5) and consequentially this majestic plant will not flower (go to seed).This grass is from, I believe, northern China/south eastern Russia.How can I ‘cheat’ the plant into flowering? Thanks for any and all help. John.

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I have an ‘M.sinensis giganteus’. The season is too short here in southern Ontario (USDA 5) and consequentially this majestic plant will not flower (go to seed).This grass is from, I believe, northern China/south eastern Russia.How can I ‘cheat’ the plant into flowering? Thanks for any and all help. John.

Where did you get this plant? I would love to have one.  I live in Oklahoma and the miscanthus I have do wonderfully.

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Where did you get this plant? I would love to have one.  I live in Oklahoma and the miscanthus I have do wonderfully.

  Get a copy of the Kurt Bluemel catalog. They specialize in grasses and their catalog lists 53 varieties of Miscanthus, typically at $6 each. Good quality plants.  Their address is 2740 Greene Lane Baldwin, MD 21013-9523 410 557-7229   Doesn’t your grass grow pretty much horizontal in all that wind? <g  I grew up near/in Enid. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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Would any of you out there in ff-land help me with an address, email, URL for an artist who has published ff art on the chat group and elsewhere.  He has done a number of pieces which are very interesting.  His last name begins with "Whitar….".  If you know of this artist, please send me his email address, WWW URL address, etc.

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Would any of you out there in ff-land help me with an address, email, URL for an artist who has published ff art on the chat group and elsewhere.  He has done a number of pieces which are very interesting.  His last name begins with "Whitar….".  If you know of this artist, please send me his email address, WWW URL address, etc.

The only person that I can think of that has a web site with flyfishing art is Mark Vinsel (sp?). John Fereira

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[Item 1] Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat.

[Item 2] Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend.

[Item 3] And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

I think I must be a little confused by what you’ve written — do you see no contradiction between your complaint in item 1 and your attitude in item 3, which essentially dictates what boats smaller than yours are allowed to do? And, are you really saying in items 2 & 3 that you have no compunctions about swamping canoes simply because they are smaller than your boat?  And your justification is that you feel great hardship is imposed upon you by the cost of maintaining your larger boat?  (Sorry, I inadvertantly deleted that part of your post.) Do you see no contradiction here?

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I don’t know or care what your problem is but you just made it on my kill list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Is boating worth it? AT&T Newsgroups: rec.boats References: snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                           jc Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network. Garry,  I appreciate your above response.  It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied  to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer  W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.  Just remember:  LAWYER + BOAT = FLOATING SHIT  Regards.  D.G.

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asshole I’d kick your fucking ass and piss on your face Cause its really obvious that’s the only type of communication you understand !!! your a dam dickwad mother fucker .. See asshole I don’t need no fucking attorney to take care of your sorry peace of shit Not only do I own a 42 foot Ketch that I built in my own back yard "10 years in the making". But  I also own a 12 foot aluminum Fishing boat . I happen to like catfish !!! Last year I was swamped by a 32 foot power boat in a 300 foot wide channel The mother fucker had the odasidy to fly the third digit as he passed me in the channel . well that’s the last time that asshole flew that finger!!!!! I BROKE IT Yea see there is only two ways you can go on a river he might have got away with it if we where on the big bad ocean but we weren’t ,, I caught up with the asshole at restaurant/bar a few miles up stream Needless to say I spent 30 days in county for fucking this asshole up but it was worth it… I dint like watching my tackle box float down stream … I’ve been a framer half my fucking life I know how to swing a hammer might knock some fucking courtesy into it   I walk the walk,  I talk the talk . and  Ill kick your fucking ass if I ever see  you ASSHOLE  if ya wana meet dickwad  "ANYWARE ANY TIME ASSHOLE"   Email me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

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  It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied   to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer   W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.

Oh Gee, Dave, I’m sorry.  I thought ASSHOLE was the name of your boat.   Hey Dave, the sooner you end up in federal prison, the better off the boating world will be. —         Wm. G. Smith         Admiralty Lawyer         P.O. Box 3017         Framingham, Mass. 01705         (508)877-3119 Practicing in Admiralty, Environmental and Coastal Land Use Planning Visit my web page at http://www.netcom.com/~w.smith/admiralty.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Is boating worth it? AT&T Newsgroups: rec.boats References: snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                               jc Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network.

Garry,   I appreciate your above response.   It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied   to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer   W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.   Just remember:  LAWYER + BOAT = FLOATING SHIT   Regards.   D.G.

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I’m just very glad I don’t boat WITH you or NEAR you.

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snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                            jc

Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network.

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And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

 Regardless of a no wake zone or not, I would hope you that if you’re close enough to swamp a smaller craft with your wake that you would slow down. If not then you take your own chances, because if there are witnesses you could face criminal or civil prosecution. The usual disclaimers apply.

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The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

Please go to school. Boating is great fun but you must obey the rules. As far as your wake goes, you are legally and financially responsible for any damages caused by your wake, anywhere, anytime. —            /       Michael W. Madden          / |      215 898-0939        _/  |        /   |      I’d rather be sailing!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him, he’d pretty much swamp anyone who messed with him on this 1 X .5 mile stretch of water. He’s up in N.Berwick Maine if you feel like tracking him down and starting a club or something….                                                 jc

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The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it.

Yeah, who needs to hear all that crap about how you should operate your boat from the International Maritime Organization, the Coast Guard or the State Boating Law Administrator!  Screw ‘em. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat.

They may or may not, depending on the circumstances prevailing at the time, have a right to expect you’ll get out of their way.  Under other circumstances, you have a right to expect that they will get out of your way.  If they don’t, you have a positive duty under the law to take prompt, efficient actions to avoid a collision. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend.

It may do worse than that; it may injure or kill them. To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE.

Another writer has already said this, but it bears repeating: You are personally liable for all damage done by your wake at all times.  Rule 6 of both the Inland and International Rules of the Road absolutely require all mariners to operate at a safe speed at all times.  Whether or not your speed was safe will be determined by whether or not your wake does any damage or by whether you could have avoided doing any kind of damage by proceeding at a slower speed. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

If you really do operate in this manner, it constitutes "Grossly Negligent Operation" and is a Federal CRIME, punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and up to a year in prison or both.  Personally, I wish the Coast Guard would forget about drugs for a while and more vigorously enforce and prosecute under this statute.  People like you belong in jail. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

There is a legal term to describe someone like you:  ASSHOLE. —         Wm. G. Smith         Admiralty Lawyer         P.O. Box 3017         Framingham, Mass. 01705         (508)877-3119 Practicing in Admiralty, Environmental and Coastal Land Use Planning Visit my web page at http://www.netcom.com/~w.smith/admiralty.html

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  I am planning to do a great deal of fly fishing in the Kananaskis region this summer.  I would like some tips on some great fishing holes in and around that area.  Is there any places to catch Artic Gralying in the southern part of Alberta?

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In article   I am planning to do a great deal of fly fishing in the Kananaskis region this summer.  I would like some tips on some great fishing holes in and around that area.  Is there any places to catch Artic Gralying in the southern part of Alberta?

Good luck flyfishing the Kannanaskis River. TransAlta has turned off the flow completely in order to replace generators in the Pocaterra Dam on the Lower Kannanaskis Lake.This has completely de-watered a growing stretch (5 kilometres 2 weeks ago) and has destroyed spawning redds and habitat.Maybe you could call the Park office and inquire about it. There really isn’t much unless you try the headwaters of certain tributaries, or head to the Spray area, or south over the Highwood. The Upper Bow has its moments! As for grayling, Big Iron Lake is the only place in southern Alberta that has them as far as I’ve heard. Any reports I’ve heard have been positive. Dan Bell, Upper Bow Flyfishing Co. Banff Alberta.

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George: I’ll be spending a week in Kananaskas this July, looking for hungry trout. Can’t wait! You may want to contact some local guides, like Marcus Perron of Rocky River Outfitters in Calgary. He offers, among other things, a float trip on the Bow River and he can send you info on what to expect. Good luck! Bill Fowler Birmingham, AL

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I still have not heard much information about fishing in the Herndon, Leesburg area for fly fisherman. Please E-mail me with info.

I lived in Virginia 12 years ago and used to fish a creek near Leesburg called Goose Creek.  No trout, but plenty of smallmouth and various other pan fish.  I can’t remember the road I used to] access the creek from.  I used to turn left off of Route 7 (west) prior to Leesburg.  You should be able to find it on a good map.

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I don’t know what you would consider to be "in your area", but, it’s hard to beat fly fishing in the Potomac for smallmouth bass.  Also, the Rapidan is an excellent early season spot for native brook trout.

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Abner) writes: I still have not heard much about …..

I imagine you have read Howell Raines book Fly Fishing Thru a Mid-life crisis   He talks about the area S. & W. of Washington, DC in Virginia. I thought it was an excellent book for all fly-fishers  Al

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