It’s January 27th, in Canada and some guy was drinking coffee in Tim Horton’s wearing a light nylon windbreaker, t-shirt, and shorts. Freaking weather – no wonder the fish are screwed up. And I have a sinus cold. Took some Sudafed last night – it says "Non drowsy." It should say, "Crammed with uppers" as I was wired and wide awake till 4:00 am. Got up at six to go fishing. Still a little cranky. Despite the guy in the shorts, the temperature and wind at dark thirty still had winter writ large upon it. It was a might chilly and me being under the weather, felt it more than usual. The parking lot at Burnhamthorpe had five cars in it before dawn at 7:00 am – not a good sign. I raced to put on my gear as I wanted to get to the falling rocks pool before the float rodders descended on it en mass. First fly through the pool will probably get a fish after that it will be shit luck. I crammed the gear on, fumbled lots because I was hurrying, and then raced down the path as fast as two stubby, wader encrusted, sick old legs would go. As I approached the pool, I couldn’t see a soul. Bam, into the water to wade to the far side for the best spot to swing a fly. I’m wading through a stretch that I’ve never attempted before, the current is pretty good and it’s only barely starting to get light. Jo would kill me if I got myself drowned. Navigated down the far bank, around the trees and other shit then scrambled onto the gently sloping edge of the pool only to see a hooded, black figure on the far bank, holding a long, sweeping . . . . noodle rod. Damn, the first of the many was already here. Upon seeing me, he promptly staked out his water by casting much further than necessary, into dead water, just to cut off any attempted swing on my part. What a prick. Now my last evening laziness comes into play as I hadn’t prepared the sinking leader – the line still has the remains of a long, nymphing leader attached – I can’t see the end of the mono in the half-light so cut it off in bits. On goes the polyleader – make a leader/tippet – tie on a fly. Shit, float rodder no. 2 shows up and parks himself directly across from me. I’m just about to make my first cast when he makes his right through the water I was about to cast to and BAM, he’s into a fish. Damn, where’s Opie and his arsenal when I need him. Ten seconds later, the dickhead lost it. Over the next hour, more float rodders appeared to fish this tiny pool that only one fly rodder would ever try at one time. By the time no. 13 started walking down the path toward me, I packed up. A short while earlier I moved up to the head of the run – not the best water but at least no one else was in it. Of course, one of the hooded horde, upon seeing the fly rodder move, assumes that this is the spot where the fish must be and he moves up directly across from me. Oh, I had forgot. When there were only two, I got a little over enthusiastic and sent a cast onto the top of the rock wall they were standing on. Not unseemingly close to them, but close enough that they could easily move over and free my fly. Nope, they acted just like a bunch of "good citizens" witnessing a murder in progress and stared intently at their floats. Anyway, after float rodder no. 10 had shown up, I decided just to practice my casting. I had followed the suggestion of another spey caster from the International Spey Casting board to put on a short bellied 9 wt. on my 6/7 Lami for close in work. It worked like a charm with the polyleaders. So after I moved up, I dispensed with the double speys and started attempting my first serious snake rolls. They weren’t perfect by my, is that a cool looking cast. A couple of ‘em I really nailed – kinda felt like I was giving the horde the big spey finger. Like I said earlier, I was cranky. On the way back, a Toronto drug dealer’s car was parked next to mine. You know the type, small, high performance rice burner, all tricked out, black paint job with heavily tinted windows and one almighty big bass speaker in the back. It’s booming out the latest hiphop and I go around the other side of my car to disrobe the wader shit. Can’t really see much but it looks like only one guy in the car and he’s fiddling with something in his lap. Oh great, either a perv drug dealer or he’s fixing his stash in prep for his next customer. Last time I encountered one like this here, his "girlfriend" was playing a tune on his skin flute. I undo the snap of the scabbard and position my knife for easy withdrawal and deposit. The wader disrobing goes by without incidence and as I walk by the drug dealer’s door to get into mine, I can see he’s making up roe bags. In the mood I’m in, it seems appropriate. And no I caught nothing. All I got were a couple of "plucking" hits from some bugle trout – but the casting felt good. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Enjoyed reading that … I certainly hope you didn’t disturb the water when wading out, Peter. 
Steve
Enjoyed reading that … I certainly hope you didn’t disturb the water when wading out, Peter. Steve
Who? Me? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
They weren’t perfect by my, is that a cool looking cast. A couple of ‘em I really nailed – kinda felt like I was giving the horde the big spey finger. Like I said earlier, I was cranky.
I want to be around with a camera when you have a really bad day. gg
I want to be around with a camera when you have a really bad day. gg
Peter, I don’t know how you can go through that. I gave up fishing for migratory trout in Ontario completely a long time ago because I was really unimpressed with the crowds and the attitude (not to mention the littering) I was seeing on a regular basis. Eugene K.
Peter, I don’t know how you can go through that. I gave up fishing for migratory trout in Ontario completely a long time ago because I was really unimpressed with the crowds and the attitude (not to mention the littering) I was seeing on a regular basis. Eugene K.
When you think about it, it’s our regulations that cause this. Unlike NY or MI, we close most of the fishable water on Sept. 30th and all but tiny sections of the rivers after Dec 31st. Not counting the Niagara River that has limited shore access, this compresses anglers in Southern Ontario into probably less than 20 miles of legal or unposted water. Those small stretches have to service a population base of about 7 or 8 million. Toss in the limiting effects of weather and it’s not too surprising why it gets crowded and people act in an ignorant fashion. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
When you think about it, it’s our regulations that cause this. Peter
Peter, your point is well taken. I think for me the issue was that I wasn’t finding what I needed in those kinds of situations and ended up seeking different ones. That being said, I still occasionally fish the Grand, but even there I tend to find the less crowded spots. Eugene Eugene K.
Yo, Any ROFFers headed to the International Sportsmen’s Expo in Pomona at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds next week? peace, Mu
Would love to Mu, was born there but gonna have to settle for the Maryland Fly Fishing Show. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any ROFFers headed to the International Sportsmen’s Expo in Pomona at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds next week? peace, Mu
rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, 
You really think so? Never mind, then. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Which is one reason why I do it. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf): It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.
_____ gee r.w.? You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1) Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators 2) Green Chernobyl Fish-Fuzz 3) Chernobyl (half-life) Sun Tan Cream 4) The Dirty Nuclear Green Machine Fly 5) Heavy Hydrogen Sinking Chernobyl Tippets I have more, but out of respect to your point of view, I cannot release these products.
_____ gee r.w.? You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1) Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators
Great product name. George. You may be crazy, but you aren’t stupid. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry. El Paso Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry.
This has nothing to do with anything, but RWJ’s post reminded me of the story: I’ve known a lot of stupid people in my life, but one guy stands out in my memory. He was a coworker many years ago who, through little fault of his own, had apparently no concept of the world most of us consider normal. From our conversations over the years, I concluded that he’d been raised in a home situation lacking in intellectual stimulation, financial stability, and positive encouragement. On top of that, he was of small stature, and seemed to feel a constant need to prove that he was both tough and smart. He was, in fact, insecure and not very bright. But that’s only background. He took up body building, and I believe he seriously thought about pursuing a career as a "professional wrestler". He began weight lifting, and in his desire to acquire the bodybuilder look, he decided that he needed a tan; and he answered one of those back-of-the-magazine ads for a product that allows you to "tan without the sun". I don’t know what was in the pills he received, but he took them as directed (knowing him though, probably at twice the dosage). He was encouraged that his skin did begin to darken, and he continued his regimen. Ultimately, he turned orange. Not brightly, of course, but as the color effect intensified over time, there wasn’t a hint of brown to be seen. He was undoubtedly orange. He, of course, saw this an a precursor to "tan" and kept taking the pills, until he was unmistakably orange right down to his fingernails. In the end, he only earned the nickname "Agent Orange" that stayed with him for the rest of the time we knew him. What a character.
rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.
…to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf): It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F. Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox. Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa. Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?" The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?" The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." —
that one is funny until you think about it. Peter
"Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it.
Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.
Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox. Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa. Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
I shoulda used this tactic with my ex-wife. The insurance money would have bought *several* nice bamboo rods. <g
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?" The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."
– Charles Reaves
Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." — Charles Reaves
I’ve seen a few sites that cover landmines (I think I have them bookmarked somewhere) plus prgrams on Canadian and British demining teams at work in places like Bosnia. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."
I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Hi, I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me. I have been going to school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville for 4 years now and for one reason or another have never tried fly fishing in Tennessee. I’m from Texas where I fish saltwater often, but I can probably count the times I’ve gone fly fishing in the past 5 years on one hand. Like many beginners, I spent no more than $100 bucks on rod, reel, and line combined. After a relatively unsuccessful trip to the Frio river in the Texas hill country, I realized that I might have been missing out on some pretty decent fishing in East Tennessee. I know the basics of the sport and what it entails, but there is so much more for me to learn. If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated: 1) where in eastern Tennessee to fish 2) what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies, fly sizes, etc.) 3) recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help) 4) outfitters in the Nashville area 5) books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying 5) anything else that would be helpful Thanks, Tyler McAfee
If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated: 1) where in eastern Tennessee to fish 2) what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies, fly sizes, etc.) 3) recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help) 4) outfitters in the Nashville area 5) books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying 5) anything else that would be helpful
Waters…within close proximity to you,,,the Clinch, the Hiwassee, the Tellico WMA, the Smokies….the Holston, Tailwaters a 5wt is nice. Teachers and outfitters, right next to your school, the West End Transit Company on West End Avenue, nice fly shop in back, with a member of the newsgroup working there on Fridays, Jack Schmitt (I hope I got that right)., Active TN TU chapters are a good place to start. The TN TU chapter even put out a small booklet of maps on the TN trout streams. theres another outfitter nearby, combination gun and tackle shop but the name escapes me right now. But go see Jack, he’s a good guy and won’t steer you wrong. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of wind knots and tailing loops.
Hi Wayne, I appreciate the kind remarks. The shop is Cumberland Transit and is next to Vanderbilt. Due to circumstances, I will be in the shop irregularly over the next 2 months. My wife and I plan to travel the West. Jim Mauries from Colorado is there full-time and will be glad to help if I am not there. Best wishes and tight lines. Jack.
writes: The shop is Cumberland Transit and is
Sorry Jack, brain fart. have fun out west. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of wind knots and tailing loops.
I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me. ^^^^ No thanks.
Saving yourself for T-Bone (just kidding Jimbo-really) Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of wind knots and tailing loops.
X-no-archive: yes I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me. ^^^^ No thanks.
good god. the first inkling of humor in your roff life. this may be a memorable occasion. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface. When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens. Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast? Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke? What else could I be doing wrong? At present, this is my major flaw in presentation. I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.
Could be your line is one weight too light for the rod or your leader is too short OR the leader(tippet) is too light for the fly you’re casting…. Without seeing you cast, it’s tough to diagnose….kinda like tellin a mechanic "every time I drive my car it makes a sound like WHIRR WHIRR CLICK CLAK…do you know what it is????" I’d try by process of elimination to determine if any of the above work for you. Larry #:)#
Joe F. writes:
<<I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface. Could be you *are* overpowering your casts. I had (and still do a lot of time) the same problem, I believe it was Peter Charles that told me to try putting my extended index finger on the grip instead of my thumb. It worked wonderfully. It seems it is difficult to overpower your cast with your hand so placed. Give it a try and come back and report, or else wait for Peter to chime in. <g He’ll have the answer for sure. Dave LaCourse
I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.
You are "over powering" your cast but if you’re fishing dries, "over powering" is one technique to help get a drag free drift. That "wiggle" on the surface is good (as long as it isn’t too excessive) because it will allow for a longer drag free float than with a perfectly straight leader. Willi
I also cast with my index finger on the grip and this works nicely for me. One of the easiest things to do when trying to make that little extra further cast is to apply too much power to the rod. Good timing seems more important to me when making these "longer" casts. And as you mentioned; Practice, practice, practice, and listen to what many of the regular posters suggest here~~They really know their stuff. Jeff Boks Fly Fishing~~~~~Just Do It
Joe: You’re getting some good advice. I’ll add that even a perfect cast will have leader recoil if you check up on the rod tip hard at the end of the forward stroke. That’s why it doesn’t happen when you lower the rod tip. But as Willi has noted, that is exactly what you want to do if you want all those curves on the water to give you a better dry fly float. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface. When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens. Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast? Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke? What else could I be doing wrong? At present, this is my major flaw in presentation. I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.
Could be you *are* overpowering your casts. I had (and still do a lot of time) the same problem, I believe it was Peter Charles that told me to try putting my extended index finger on the grip instead of my thumb. It worked wonderfully. It seems it is difficult to overpower your cast with your hand so placed.
Dave (and Pete): that is indeed a sure way to under-power a casting stroke. Unfortunately, it’s also a sure way to develop RSI in your wrist and forearm. There are less injurious ways to deal with a power & timing problem… As for the resulting wiggles providing a benefit: better to learn the proper, bread-and-butter wiggle-free cast, then learn a proper "pile" cast for when it’s needed. A good "pile" will one hell of a lot of wiggles into the line and provide a much longer drag-free drift than an overpowered cast ever will. /daytripper
No wonder he doesn’t fish anymore. He’s gone blind. – Mu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"? <g Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics. Please explain using clinical terms. It’s what he became a master at before becoming a master angler. — Charlie…
Mu: <<No wonder he doesn’t fish anymore. He’s gone blind. Brings new meaning to the term "catch and kill". <g Dave LaCourse
Al: is it really you? man it’s good to see you back. If you get a chance, drop me a note as to your whereabouts these days. And to the newer ROFFians, Al has been a great help to many of us with advice on all topics. Not to worry, Al – that stretch of the _____ you put me on a couple years ago in M_____ will always be safe with me! Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Joe, For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger. I suggest you invest one hour with a competent professional. If you don’t know of one in your area call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and ask them for the name of a Certified Instructor near you. Good luck & … Tight Lines – Al Beatty http://www.btsflyfishing.com
Aww…..TBone… So it’s not true? In the past you used to boast about being able to switch hands without dropping a stroke…..or were you talking about GOLF then, too???? =8^)
T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"? <g Dave LaCourse
T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"? <g
Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics. Please explain using clinical terms. Mu
T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"? <g Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics. Please explain using clinical terms.
Man, am I ashamed of starting the thread that led down this road! d:-o Joe F.
I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.
I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Hi Joe, For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger. I suggest you invest one hour with a competent professional. If you don’t know of one in your area call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and ask them for the name of a Certified Instructor near you. Good luck & … Tight Lines – Al Beatty http://www.btsflyfishing.com
For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger.
I concur. I recently got a free casting class with the Becks and found out a couple of problems with my casting. I always had a hook in my line when I cast and found out it was because I was twisting my wrist. I also learned how to double haul, ect. An hour class and a little practice makes all of the difference in the world. Warren
I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.
Thanks to all for the advice; all of which sounds pretty good. I’ll add that my overall problem is probably consistency. I can cast pretty well on occasion, using roll casts, reach casts, and even throwing a nice straight line. Sometimes, though, it just ain’t working; and finesse and delicacy act as if they don’t know me. With my relative inexperience, I have difficulty figuring out why. For one thing, I just need to fish more often. I’ve been "in the groove" a few times when my touch and timing were right on, and it was a beautiful thing. I’d have posted this thanks sooner, but too much good advice was pouring in. Thanks again. Joe F.
A natural hook? And I’ve been trying to learn how to fish around corners?
May not be the root of the problem but try releasing a loop of line in front of the reel toward the end of your forward cast. That will prevent some recoil. Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts. On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface. When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens. Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast? Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke? What else could I be doing wrong? At present, this is my major flaw in presentation. I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.
Joe, I’m not the expert but here are two things that have helped me. First, taking out a whole day and fly fishing for hours on end helped me find a groove. Consistency is my problem too as I typically only fish for short periods of time when I can get away here and there. Next, have your wife photograph (hi-speed) or videotape your stroke. There are plenty of things which become apparent when you are watching from outside of your own body. For example, I found out that instead of drifting the rod backwards with the line after the power stroke, I was letting the tip drop below the fly line. Of course you’ll need the discipline to consciously adjust your motions based on what you see in the video. This is not so easy to do because unless you are used to interacting with yourself, it quickly gets boring. I suppose having a casting instructor by your side, who engages you on a one-to-one level is of great benefit in that regard. Mu, waiting for the risers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to all for the advice; all of which sounds pretty good. I’ll add that my overall problem is probably consistency. I can cast pretty well on occasion, using roll casts, reach casts, and even throwing a nice straight line. Sometimes, though, it just ain’t working; and finesse and delicacy act as if they don’t know me. With my relative inexperience, I have difficulty figuring out why. For one thing, I just need to fish more often. I’ve been "in the groove" a few times when my touch and timing were right on, and it was a beautiful thing.
The best thing to do is to take a casting lesson from someone you know who is good, or from a good pro. The postal diagnosis of casting faults may be likened to correspondence courses in brain surgery, and the results are likely to be similarly catastrophic. An absolutely brilliant caster and fly-fisher ( the two are not necessarily synonymous ) once told me that one should practice until one could cast a perfectly straight line and leader, and having achieved this, to never ever do it again. This applies to dry fly fishing of course, where a slack wavy leader is far better than a straight tight one. Practising is only of use if you are practising correctly, practising incorrectly will usually result in you acquiring muscle memory for bad habits, which are then extremely difficult to get rid of. Take a lesson and save yourself a lot of grief. TL MC
which leads me to ponder: what is the sound of one fish flopping? wayno the zen master – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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<<which leads me to ponder: what is the sound of one fish flopping? It goes sorta like this: "I didn’t do it, counselor. I *swear* I didn’t do it. I was in church. They’re out to get me." davo
Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
Brian, I haven’t done alot of catfishing but I ran across a guy the other day and he said he uses a product called junnies (do a search on the web). he said he bought the stuff off the internet and that a catfish guide told him about it he stated that the guide had the maker come fishing with him and they caught 10 to 1 (maker vs. guide). I do alot of creek fishing and catch alot of bass. I use a lure by rebel called a creek hopper. On a good day I catch and relese about 30 (1/2lb to 1 1/2lds) bass and no telling how many sunfish. you can also check: <A HREF="http:www.tn-outdoors.comtn-outdoors.com</A for other fishing and hunting articles. happy fishing Larry
I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
I have a question: how do you get the chicken livers to stay on the hook. I got some fresh chicken livers to use for bait and they were the consistancy of mush. I would have had a better chance of trying to put grape jelly on the hook. I have heard you can freeze them but this seems like a messy job. Any suggestions you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations. Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations.
BBBbbbbbbut chicken liver flies right off the hook when you’re fly fishing. Fresh pork skin is the best way for the fly fisherman — * Center for Computational Biology * Montana State Bozeman (406) 994-7061 * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy */
Hey…. Martha Stuart of Flyfishing <g <g <g Yuk Yuk Yuk !!! Are you still using the Hot Glue gun to tie your flies (I just came across your article from the Disco era) ?. I (obviously) found it amusing as hell….sorry…<g I also saw your foam nymphs in the Umpqua book…congratulations… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
You can use strips cut from pantyhose to wrap the chicken livers in prior to placing them on the hook. This keeps the bait on the hook but still lets the scent and blood reach the fish. A couple tips: – Cutting the pantyhose into strips prior to going fishing will spare you a significant amount of hastle from your fishing buddies. – Be careful when inserting a hook with a large barb. It is not easy to stick the hook through the fabric. Or better yet mash the barb down somewhat. – Let the wrapped liver soak in blood before you hurl it at the catfish. – I’ll leave the acquisition of the aforementioned garments to you. Your wife may worry if she catches you rifling through her dresser. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a question: how do you get the chicken livers to stay on the hook. I got some fresh chicken livers to use for bait and they were the consistancy of mush. I would have had a better chance of trying to put grape jelly on the hook. I have heard you can freeze them but this seems like a messy job. Any suggestions you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
FROM, ANDRE ! I OFTEN TRY SEWING THREAD WITH MY CHICKEN LIVER, SIMPLY PUT THE LIVER ON A TRI -HOOK AND PROCEED TO RAP IT ABOUT 10 TIMES , THAT ALWAYS WORKS FOR ME.
Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area early in April. Thought I’d take my flyrod. Anybody have any suggestions? I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. Thanks, David
There’s a lake in the Point Reyes National Seashore that allegedly has some trout in it (Bass Lake), although I don’t know anyone who has actually fished it. Lagunitas Lake in the Marin Municipal Water District is stocked and artificial lures, no barbs, only. Some of the other lakes in the same area attract lots of bait fisherman. No stream fishing available in the area that I know of. Surf fishing with a fly rod? Can’t say I’ve ever seen it done, but can’t say I’ve been looking either. Closest stream fishing (steelhead) would be the Russian River. — There is no such thing as a dumb question, but there IS such a thing as a dumb answer – I’ve given some.
Try the small gas station / fishing shop on the road between Petaluma and Bodega. George will tell you about fishing the area -especially Tomales bay. Look on the map for Walker Ck.- which is a misnomer, but hal local currency. If he is in the phone book, idt will be on BOdega Hiway, I athink. He is guiding on athe Russian R as well. Regards, Cliff
suggestions? I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas.
Depends on how close is close. . . Most of the coastal rivers/streams are not open to fishing in that area, until you get up to the Russian River to the north. There is good quality perch fishing at that time. There are 2 or 3 guys who work at Western Sport Shop in San Rafael who i’ve seen out there each spring. Their number is 415-456-5454. I’d ask for Gene or Noel. They’ve got some patterns worked up which produce pretty well. They’re real good on the whole area, too. re: other post The Bass Lake ponds in Pt. Reyes Natl Sea Shore are fun to walk to, but pretty fishless for about the last 10 years. * *
Quoting brande from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly <Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area <early in April. Thought I’d take my flyrod. Anybody have any <suggestions? I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or <anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. David – You should may be able to catch surf perch off the beaches up there. Also, Russian River is just to the north. Not too sure of all the specifics as I haven’t lived in NorCal in quite a few years. Jim Carlisle
Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area early in April. Thought I’d take my flyrod. Anybody have any suggestions? I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. Thanks, David
My Michigan Editor, Tom Huggler’s a bit late out of the gate with his material. He’s written at least six books on fishing Michigan and you’ll find he’s got excellent coverage on trout and steelhead. Add salmon and you’ve some dandy chances. We’ve some postings on Michigan now, and will have a lot more by the first of the year. I’m interested in going flyfishing for trout this coming columbus day, (federal holiday). Being new to this hobby, I’m not very familiar with the streams in michigan yet. My question is, what streams, if any, exist within 1-2 hours of metro detroit that contain trout. I know the trout season ends by then for streams not designated extended-season, but any responses I get will be usefull if not now, then next season. — Bill Kempisty | |^^^| U.S. Army Corps of Engineers | Ohhhh Noooo |o.o|
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Most of the better waters are about 3hrs north of DEE-troit and beyond. There is Paint Creek, near Rochester. It’s a small stream, and rather difficult to fish because of this, and because it generally runs very clear. There are 18 inch browns in it, but anything over 10" is really quite unusual. This is quite a gem of a stream, especially when you realize just how close (the DEE-troit ‘burbs) it is to the metro–naturally reproducing trout on the outer donut of one of the worlds biggest industrial complexes. The Clinton Valley Chapter of TU has done alot of work on it (I’m a member, but started after most of this work was done, so I take no credit), and the best places to fish are around these sites. Email me your fax # and I’ll send you a map. Better yet, stop by Paint Creek Outfitters in Rochester and buy one for 2 or 3 bucks (the club gets the lions share of the $). Have at it, My Friend…
I’m interested in going flyfishing for trout this coming columbus day, (federal holiday). Being new to this hobby, I’m not very familiar with the streams in michigan yet. My question is, what streams, if any, exist within 1-2 hours of metro detroit that contain trout. I know the trout season ends by then for streams not designated extended-season, but any responses I get will be usefull if not now, then next season. — Bill Kempisty | |^^^| U.S. Army Corps of Engineers | Ohhhh Noooo |o.o|
All I saw were letters and numbers, though it did look like a big, long something. Can anyone post a simple recipe for receiving and viewing this file? Mark Vinsel Flyfishing as therapy – get in touch with your inner geezer.
: But you didn’t miss much – just the typical hero shot – two guys each : holding a dead trout, with some big blond fishless dude (the guide?) in the : middle.. Sheesh… I hate it when I’m the "fishless dude". At least I’m not a big blonde. Please, I hope we don’t all start posting pictures. That has happened in almost every group I’ve been on…let’s hope we can avoid it here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | These University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | are mine.
All I saw were letters and numbers, though it did look like a big, long something. Can anyone post a simple recipe for receiving and viewing this file? Mark Vinsel Flyfishing as therapy – get in touch with your inner geezer.
It was sent as a uuencoded file. If your newsreader has a "decode" function in it’s repertoire, once you’ve opened the post, find the decode button and give it a click. Otherwise, you need a uudecoder application (there are plenty of these in freeware residing in the usual locations). But you didn’t miss much – just the typical hero shot – two guys each holding a dead trout, with some big blond fishless dude (the guide?) in the middle.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it. Thanks norm
I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it. Thanks norm
In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) But seriously, there is lots of great fly fishing all across the country. I live in British Columbia and use minnow imitations for sea run cutthroat trout in coastal waters, colourful flys for summer steel head in coastal streams, and traditional insect patterns for lakes and streams in the interior of the Province.
In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^)
Jeez …. I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting!
In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) Jeez …. I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting!
O.K. your right, I was off by about 350 miles! Still a really huge country. But while were on the subject of Newfoundland – do you know why the Newfy was happy to hear that Quebec was leaving Canada……because the drive to Toronto would be so much closer!
I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it. Thanks norm
Hi, Canada is a BIG country, your choice of flies and gear will depend on where you are going. If you are interested in Novca SAcotia, I can help you out and would be more than pleased to do something with you even. Our specialty is teaching flyfishing to youngsters (16 years experience and nationally certified coaching level one). If you are interested in NS, drop me a line, even if you are coming here and don’t want them to flyfish, I think I could probably still help you out ! Tight Lines !00 Little Harbour Road, Lockeport Nova Scotia Canada B0T 1L0 ph/fax 902-656-3329
Never was too good a Geography, even in the good ole USA. I should have said that I was going to the Boundary Waters above Minn. Maybe I’ll come out and try the minnows pattern like you suggest. Any tips a little further east of BC? Norm
: In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from : Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) : Jeez …. : I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. : I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting! Thanks Don. Sorry I couldn’t make your conference. Still hoping to wangle a means of getting over to fish the Miramichi and maybe even talk about multimedia Jack – Newfoundland and Labrador Science and Technology Advisory Council Tel (709) 738-3400 114 Empire Ave., St. John’s, NF A1B 1C7 Fax (709) 738-3276
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it. Thanks norm In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) But seriously, there is lots of great fly fishing all across the country. I live in British Columbia and use minnow imitations for sea run cutthroat trout in coastal waters, colourful flys for summer steel head in coastal streams, and traditional insect patterns for lakes and streams in the interior of the Province.
Just to clarify: Canada Spans from Newfoundland to British Columbia, Not Nova Scotia to British Columbia, There are about 500000 Newfoundlanders who don’t like being forgotten. Thanks Chris Newfoundland, Canada