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In reference to a thread by this title a week or so back….went over to the local stream yesterday(Weds) afternoon. Decent hatch of Grannoms, size 14 or 16, and a later hatch of pale green caddis in a size 16 or 18.  Streambred trout took wets or surface emerger types for a couple of us who were fly fishing amongst a few bait fishers. Every small hole seemed to hold a brown. Fish landed ranged from 7 to 13 inches. The locals claim no big hatch of Quill Gordons(the local spring mayfly hatch) yet, which is odd, as they generally precede the little green caddis. These guys I spoke with live on the creek and are as trustworthy as anglers can be<g. On other PA streams, I would expect some Blue Quills, Hendricksons and sometimes Black Quills.  All over the state, bright yellow craneflies are out in droves, and sometimes, the fish key on them exclusively. Use a sulfur in a pinch, about a size 16 or smaller.  Better still is a parachute style, with large, sparse hackle.                                                              Tom L

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Tom Littleton’s <Tulpehocken TR snipped On other PA streams, I would expect some Blue Quills, Hendricksons and sometimes Black Quills.  All over the state, bright yellow craneflies are out in droves, and sometimes, the fish key on them exclusively. Use a sulfur in a pinch, about a size 16 or smaller.  Better still is a parachute style, with large, sparse hackle.                                                              Tom L

Tom, I can confirm that the bright yellow craneflies are out in force in Central PA, yesterday and today. Fished the ‘newly’ public water (Espy Farm’s ~1.25 miles) on the Little Juniata River yesterday (Friday)… tan caddis and bright yellow craneflies between 9am-3pm.  The ‘Espy Farm" outfitter is charging $100 per person/day to fish, unguided, this small stretch ($295 guided).  It is NOW freely accessible if you enter the river either above/below their property and traverse upon the river bed during your travels in the Espy Farm area.   Spring Creek is in pretty good shape and fishing well – midges and bright yellow craneflies.  The Little Lehigh Creek’s regulars captured a Sulphur dun today (Saturday), an early hatch? take care Dave

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Dave,   Thanks for the update……Will you be going to Penn’s/Lil J area around Memorial Day??                              Tom

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Tom – Thanks.  On Thursday the locals on the Brodhead said the Hendricksons had been coming for a week and that the Quill Gordons had gone by.  No bugs flying in the rain that day. Glenn << In reference to a thread by this title a week or so back….went over to the local stream yesterday(Weds) afternoon. Decent hatch of Grannoms, size 14 or 16, and a later hatch of pale green caddis in a size 16 or 18.  Streambred trout took wets or surface emerger types for a couple of us who were fly fishing amongst a few bait fishers. Every small hole seemed to hold a brown. Fish landed ranged from 7 to 13 inches. The locals claim no big hatch of Quill Gordons(the local spring mayfly hatch) yet, which is odd, as they generallyprecede the little green caddis. These guys I spoke with live on the creek and are as trustworthy as anglers can be<g. On other PA streams, I would expect some Blue Quills, Hendricksons and sometimes Black Quills.  All over the state, bright yellow craneflies are out in droves, and sometimes, the fish key on them exclusively. Use a sulfur in a pinch, about a size 16 or smaller.  Better still is a parachute style, with large, sparse hackle.                                                              Tom L GKT

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Dave,   Thanks for the update……Will you be going to Penn’s/Lil J area around Memorial Day??                              Tom

Tom, I am planning on fishing Penns the weekend after Memorial Day.  Its a Green Drake thing.  Sort of like a fly fisherman’s Woodstock thingey. take care Dave

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Dave,   Thanks for the update……Will you be going to Penn’s/Lil J area around Memorial Day??                              Tom Tom, I am planning on fishing Penns the weekend after Memorial Day.  Its a Green Drake thing.  Sort of like a fly fisherman’s Woodstock thingey.

I’ve never had the chance to fish a heavy, large Mayfly hatch. I’ve read that the fish get pretty satiated after a couple days and are no longer feeding very heavilly on the Duns. Is this true? Willi

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I’ve never had the chance to fish a heavy, large Mayfly hatch. I’ve read that the fish get pretty satiated after a couple days and are no longer feeding very heavilly on the Duns. Is this true?

My experience has been just the opposite, that is, the first few days of the hatch will see sparse feeding on the surface, but as the hatch progresses, the fish will rise to the duns more freely. Yesterday, I fished a massive Hendrickson hatch on the Farmington river….a hatch that was actually too good because of the overwhelming number of naturals. The trout rose steadily for two hours, but few fish were caught during that period, most being taken at the beginning and end when fewer bugs were on the water. I wound up landing nine trout from  11 to 16 inches, but the only fish I caught at the hieght of the hatch were a few salmon smolts. As a point of reference, the Hendricksons started hatching on April 15, and the fish are still avidly feeding on them. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Willi writes: I’ve never had the chance to fish a heavy, large Mayfly hatch. I’ve read that the fish get pretty satiated after a couple days and are no longer feeding very heavilly on the Duns.

In my experience, the fish continue to take advantage of nutrients and thus, feed through a hatch to the end. They may tend to become wary of surface items due to angling pressure as a hatch goes on. Also, feeding on duns varies with air temps and humidity, with fish rising more readily to duns when they have difficulty getting off water surface. The drake hatch, as a specific example on Penn’s, tends to be great fishing on Duns and emergers for the first couple days in any area, with wary fish by the end(6th or 7th day) of the hatch. Many times, it proves easier to take fish during the Drake hatch with other surface items, like sulfurs, caddis and spinners of Grey Foxes and March Browns.                               Tom

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 Went up to the Housatonic in Connecticut this past weekend with a bunch of friends.At first we were all a little bummed out about the high water.I guess all the rain had brought the level way up.It was tough to wade and difficult to find all of the usual holding places.I had brought a sink tip line that I had purchased about three years ago and never had the occasion to use.I used a two foot leader and a black wooly bugger.On the second morning my buddy and I went to a long stretch that another friend had recommended,I think it was the "meat hole",where the water was slightly calmer.     I realized that with most of the structure hidden from view that I was not going to be able to fish in the way I was accustomed to.I remembered some advice that I’ve seen mentioned here and many other places that a good way to fish a large river is to break it down into a smaller section and deal with it the way you would fish a stream.I worked my way out about twenty feet from the shore and I began to work the bank and any pocket water that I encountered within the "stream"that I had picked out for myself.I was taking my time,relaxing,almost zen-like,and I was hammering smallies with the occasional brown.     Although it wasn’t like the phenomenal low water fishing of last year,I felt that the river had something to offer if one was willing to be openminded about the possibilities.How often do you get to fish for browns and smallies during the middle of the summer?    What lessons did I learn?What it feels like to freeze in a panic as you watch your friend bobbing like a cork in a whirlpool(he eventually gained his footing).Sometimes fish like drag:during the white fly hatch I was getting no takers until I started to skitter the fly.I am not invulnerable:I fell in several times,but fortunately I didn’t take on any water.Some of my friends wanted the water to be the way they expected and fished it accordingly.They didn’t have much luck and went home kind of pissed off.I had a great time and call me crazy but I really enjoyed all the challenges that the high water was throwing my way.I also have a pretty good idea now why it’s important to pack a wading stick and next time you better believe I’ll have one. Tight Lines All, Shawn

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This is the challange and satisfaction of fishing. It is why some people catch fish most all of the time, while others are shut down.  Great report. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I realized that with most of the structure hidden from view that I was not wanted the water to be the way they expected and fished it accordingly.They didn’t have much luck and went home kind of pissed off.I had a great time and call me crazy but I really enjoyed all the challenges that the high water was throwing my way.I also have a pretty good idea now why it’s important to pack a wading stick and next time you better believe I’ll have one. Tight Lines All, Shawn

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So George, you’ve found yet a new way to assert your commercial presence here…by creating new subject lines…make that HEADLINES several times a day? Don’t you have your own chatroom to manipulate? Bastards All & Lovin Them! Gehrke Fly Rods Best Buy in Nation Chat Site Alive and Well! Since February I have tried to see you as an unfairly treated person here. I find no reason to continue trying. Enough is enough. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

this.  That you feel relieved is another question regarding you being able to think for yourself is in question with me.  You could have inspected the qualities of a fine fly rod first hand.  That you seem to have ‘a need’ to post such a remark in public, I regard as disappointing as it does not hurt me as much as it does you. A fair man wouldn’t have done this. Why did you do this?  We never did anything to you but work our hearts out for you. christ. Mr. G.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison Keep Livestock Away From Our Rivers and Streams. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison

______  Harrison, you’re very bit of what Doug Knight says you are. None of it good.  This style of post of yours again proves what kind of person you really are and always have been in ROFF. Mr. G.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me. Mr. G.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

As much as it hurts to say it, I have to agree with George on this one. I have no problem if someone wants to cancel their order but your public statements only point out your preference for bolting with the herd rather than thinking for yourself or just checking it out first hand. Let’s face it. When George started this whole thing it was painfully clear that it was a risk to order a rod from someone that was taking on a fairly demanding technical task for the first time, regardless of what he said. If you didn’t think it was a risk (and the posts at that time made it pretty clear it was) then you were painfully naive. That risk has not changed since the beginning yet you have gotten nervous and bolted at the end. This is still OK by me but what is the purpose of publicly venting your "relief" at this juncture since you have absolutely nothing concrete to add to the debate except to proclaim this herd behavior? I would be embarrassed to publicly advertise that behavior if I were in your position. There have certainly been problems and George has been George. I have read nothing here that is any different than what George has posted since he first appeared on ROFF, so what else is new?! You guys act as if this is all a big surprise. Get real. If you were misled about what it might be like to deal with George on this, I would suggest it was in part done by yourselves and a lust for a new bamboo rod at what was initially hoped to be bargain basement prices. Maybe its time for a reality check and to get over it. As a disclaimer, this post is certainly not a defense of George. Some of the things that have gone on seem reprehensible to me and George is far from pure. Too much said. Jon "sucked into this thread" McAnulty

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself … SNIPPED

Exactly my thoughts!  At this point I don’t care how great they might be- I’m willing to skip ever finding out, just so I don’t have to deal with this guy and run the risk of being publicly demeaned. What a freakin’ nutcase. Before you buy.

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…I wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me.

And THIS is a serious problem because you don’t do any of it for yourself either.

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Nice to see the Mrs. has the same accumen. Tom

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

It seems to me that the very essence of a public forum such as this newsgroup is to provide an opportunity for anyone to express an opinion; any opinion.  That someone chooses to express an opinion which has a bearing on the central issues covered in this particular newsgroup should not be lamented.  Consider also that the negative reports on Mr. Gerhke’s products undoubtedly do him a lot less damage than does his own behavior in this forum.  Moreover, his incessant peddling of his products here opens the door for responses pertaining to those products even when, as is the case here, those responses are overwhelmingly negative.  ROFF is a community in a truer sense of the word than are most of the cities, towns, and villages in which most of us live.  One of the things which makes this a true community is that the residents, by common if tacit consent, watch out for one another.  This is by and large true despite the vigor with which we sometimes attack one another’s sacred cows.  I am confident that most of the regulars here would warn other members of the community about actual or potential problems with any commercial product regardless of who produces that product.  That one particular purveyor of fly fishing related products chooses to use this forum as his personal marketing outlet should not , and does not, exempt him from the same scrutiny and criticism which any other manufacturer is subject to.  And if his products and his character bring out in public reviews which hurt his business well, what can one say but Tough Shit?!

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Was it Gatlinburg in mid-July, had you just it town and your throat was dry, and did think you’d stop and have yourself a brew?

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Right on John. I first went there in 1931 at age 6. A straw mattress and kerosene lamp. Jack in Nashville.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself or if they truly are the low end of the market. With the defensive, insulting, condescending, aloof and generally surly attitude you take, your business is doomed to fail. If I bought something off of you and decided to return it, and you sent me a nasty-gram along with my refund check, you would regret it for the rest of your business life. Tom.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

______ You’re full of it, insect brain.  Along with the other turkeys in Roff just like you. Mr.G.

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out. —-snip—-

Gatlinburg! A place I remember with wood sidewalks where I bought one of the finest pair of moccasins I ever owned, real sqaw chewed Cherokee mocs. On the Illinois plains I could fly with them but in rocky terrain were less than ideal. That was 50yrs ago, before all the super interstates and a trip there from Dwight Ill. was an occasion and adventure. Most folks of the area went to Wisconsin or Michigan for pike or musky not to Tenn. for trout. It’s now probably a huge city full of crap and corruption like most of the other places that were peacfull and friendly in my long ago youth.                                                         John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

  george, oh i mean gladys (yeah, right), i tried being tactful with your patient, i mean husband. and look where it got me. he comes on here and dumps shit on ANYONE who says ANYTHING that isn’t totally in agreement with his delusions about his rods. the guy is unstable, megalomaniacal,egocentric and a pathalogical liar. i fear for your safety "gladys". if he hasn’t sucked you into his Frostcukoo land beyond all hopes of escape, then RUN Gladys RUN before it’s too late.       bob smith, former weel wisher till i got slammed for trying to tell GG the truth. Before you buy.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

_______  You don’t know what you’re missing.   Gladys Gehrke

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Jim Do you have another tune or will you carry on repeating the same quote ad infinitum?? (Latin, save you looking it up!). — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Nah, it’s the same thing that Tim does (or did).  Same thing time after time.  Apparently there’s some bad blood between the two. Although I think it’s a very good question.  The two statements do seem to be at odds with each other. Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim Do you have another tune or will you carry on repeating the same quote ad infinitum?? (Latin, save you looking it up!). — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Me to fish: "You have the right to live. You have the right to try to eat my flies. You have the right to try to escape. You have the right to be released sometimes. You have the right to be my meal." "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."  – E. Philips

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

Hey Powlesland Ever hear of the food chain? your an imbecilic dweeb….. –Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways. Hey Powlesland Ever hear of the food chain? your an imbecilic dweeb…..

Walt, I think you missed his point…and lighten up.      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

1. Lite a fire 2. Fill gut cavity with small amount of brown sugar and salt 3. Wrap fish in foil 4. Put wrapped fish in embers and wait ten minutes 5. Have cigarette and beer 6. EAT

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Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. Lloyd Fortney

Another argument for cannibalism. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout,

Spam (the national food of Hawaii, no joke) is a damned good backup if the fish aren’t on the bite…it will sustain you AND make you try a little harder the next day… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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In all seriousness… If you’re backpacking, all you’ll need is to take an empty spice container and whup up some TBone’s Backpacking Spice (80% salt, 10% pepper, 9% Onion Powder, 1% Garlic powder). Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads.  Now, take a regulation weiner stick and slide it between the spine and skin and expose the belly to some ready coals.  As it cooks it will open up.  When ready to eat (use your fingers) sprinkle some TBS on the flesh and enjoy.   If God decides he needs you on the spot, you’ll be ready to go buddy.   Have a great trip. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

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I would rather carry Ramen noodles. Very light, cheap, easy, full of carbos, and a good side dish with the Trout. I can not identify nor stomache SPAM. Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout, Spam (the national food of Hawaii, no joke) is a damned good backup if the fish aren’t on the bite…it will sustain you AND make you try a little harder the next day… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Take some spam…ok, I’ll kill a pig instead of a trout. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. Lloyd Fortney Another argument for cannibalism. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time.

Yikes, I tried that last year and it seriously depleted my supply of Mr.Softy. (being in a Ponderosa Pine forest, I couldn’t resort to Sargent Scratchy-Yow!). To restore my well-being I went back to the tried and true Trout Burritos. Take a frying pan, a small vial of olive oil, an onion or garlic and some flour tortillas.  A campstove vs. a campfire will diminish your impact in high country more significantly than the release of one or two trout.   Saute the onion and/or garlic in olive oil, then stuff this in the trout and lay it in the pan. Turn the heat low and cover with four tortillas. Turn the trout once and rotate the tortillas to warm them all. Remove the bones and fins and roll up in the tortillas with the onions.   Mark Vinsel

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Animal rights…..hmmm…I bet our native prairies wish they had had rights before they were plowed under for food crops.  Ever rip a living plant out of the ground, or twist an ear off a corn plant? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

All these recipes are sounding great.    A tip: if you happen to run into some  ’muddy’ tasting trout (you probably won’t in the Bob Marshall), try skinning them before cooking.   Most of the muddy taste in trout is in the fat on the inside of the skin, and transfers to the meat while cooking.   (Not true with catfish.) Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Just a little warning. The regulations in the Bob Marshall are rather strange. You can only take three fish *under* 12", and you can’t take several restricted species. (Basically, anything but Cutthroats and Rainbows.) You might think this is never enforced in a wilderness area, but the last time I was there (last July) we encountered three extremely aggressive and well-armed fish and game wardens. Fortunately, we were in full compliance. One more thing. Some watersheds have a lot of whitefish. There is no limit on them, and they’re pretty tasty, but rather boney. There’s no excuse for releasing a whitefish, as they compete with trout. It you don’t want to eat it then throw it on the bank for the critters.         Steve Barnard

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Why should it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nova Scotia standard fry your catch recipe: Clean trout, (we NEVER fillet trout) Roll in corn meal Fry in bacon fat (from three slices done up just before, or use oil) 7 min per side per pound Heaven I eat some, I put most back – selective catch and release – depends on hunger!!!!! Bill Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy. — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Place trout on a sheet of foil large enough to totally wrap.  Place alternating slices of onions and tomatos on top.  Squeeze juice from one lemon over the trout, then add several thin slices of butter on top. Wrap it up with the foil and throw it on the fire.  Also great in the oven too.  Eat with slices of French bread to soak up the juices.     Or…. salt and pepper the trout, then roll in cornmeal and fry away. Gotta go now… getting hungry.                                                               Spy in Hi.

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Nova Scotia standard fry your catch recipe: Clean trout, (we NEVER fillet trout) Roll in corn meal Fry in bacon fat (from three slices done up just before, or use oil) 7 min per side per pound Heaven I eat some, I put most back – selective catch and release – depends on hunger!!!!! Bill Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

– Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Cooked over hot coals in open air is great. In foil w/ salt, pepper and garlic is good under the coals is good.  (Put buttered white bread in the body cavity to add flavor and soak up juices — discard the bread after cooking.) Broiled is good. Sauteed in butter is good. Poached in white wine is good. Smoked is good. Boiled with old socks is not good. "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."  – E. Philips

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy. Fillet a decent sized trout.  Roll the fillets in some Ritz cracker crumbs and fry in a mixture of a little butter and olive oil.  When the fish is nearly done, drip some soy sauce on top of the fish.  Um um good.

That does sound good! Personally, I like the smaller fish, 12" or under, not filleted, that can be fried crispy enough so you can eat the fins and the tail. Actually, panfish from brackish water are much better eating.         Steve Barnard

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

  Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout, Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Fillet a decent sized trout.  Roll the fillets in some Ritz cracker crumbs and fry in a mixture of a little butter and olive oil.  When the fish is nearly done, drip some soy sauce on top of the fish.  Um um good.

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I need some advice about a second flyrod.  I have used four rods for the past 22 years and all have been for 8 wt. line.  The majority of my fishing is for Largemouth.  I think I would like a 4 piece 8.5 to 9 foot in size 4, 5 or 6.  I would use it for small pond bass, bluegill, carp and small river smallmouth.  I would be tossing smaller (size 4 and down) muddlers, clousers and topwaters.  I want something fun that can cast a decent distance and with enough backbone to get a decent size fish in.  Since I have been in an 8 wt. rut all my life and don’t have any experience with these other weights I really appreciate your help.  One additional thing. I will likely purchase an Orvis (no flaming please) Silver Label and need to decide on tip, mid, or full flex also. Jay Kidwell

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I need some advice about a second flyrod.  I have used four rods for the past 22 years and all have been for 8 wt. line.  The majority of my fishing is for Largemouth.  I think I would like a 4 piece 8.5 to 9 foot in size 4, 5 or 6.  I would use it for small pond bass, bluegill, carp and small river smallmouth.  I would be tossing smaller (size 4 and down) muddlers, clousers and topwaters.  I want something fun that can cast a decent distance and with enough backbone to get a decent size fish in.  Since I have been in an 8 wt. rut all my life and don’t have any experience with these other weights I really appreciate your help.  One additional thing. I will likely purchase an Orvis (no flaming please) Silver Label and need to decide on tip, mid, or full flex also. Jay Kidwell

Hi Jay, You will notice a large difference with a #6 outfit as it will be 2 sizes smaller than you have been using. You can go to a #5 if you think it would be better, but a #4 sounds a bit light. Three or four piece rods are really catching on in northern California. The 9 foot length would be nice for deep wading or float tubing. I would hope that you could cast some rods before purchasing one, if possible. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I need some advice about a second flyrod.  I have used four rods for the past 22 years and all have been for 8 wt. line.  The majority of my fishing is for Largemouth.  I think I would like a 4 piece 8.5 to 9 foot in size 4, 5 or 6.  I would use it for small pond bass, bluegill, carp and small river smallmouth.  I would be tossing smaller (size 4 and down) muddlers, clousers and topwaters.  I want something fun that can cast a decent distance and with enough backbone to get a decent size fish in.  Since I have been in an 8 wt. rut all my life and don’t have any experience with these other weights I really appreciate your help.  One additional thing. I will likely purchase an Orvis (no flaming please) Silver Label and need to decide on tip, mid, or full flex also.

Hi Jay, I’d recommend a 6 wt. for the type of fishing you’ll be doing.  This will be much lighter than the 8 wt. you’ve been using, yet will still have the necessary power to cast the flies needed for smallmouth and still have a good time when you get them on the line.  The 4 and 5 weight lines are better trout rods & more typically used for size 10 flies and smaller.  The 5 wt. works fine for tossing the occasional larger streamer (size 8 or 6),but is not the best choice for a steady diet of them.  The 4 wt. doesn’t throw them well at all. Whether to buy a tip-flex, mid-flex, or full-flex rod depends a lot on your casting style and the type of fishing you’ll be doing.   The tip flex rods throw tighter loops more easily (most accurate and they cast well into the wind), but you really need to use a "fore-arm" casting style to use them easily and effectively.  If you use your fore-arm as the primary lever in your casting stroke you will cast this type of rod easily and you will get the most performance for the least effort.  Keep in mind this action is the least forgiving when playing the fish. If you use mostly wrist in your casting stroke, you’ll probably prefer a mid-flex or full-flex rod that loads more easily using your wrist as the primary lever.  Wrist casters have a very tough time even getting the tip-flex rods to bend because they are using a very short lever (the wrist), and the forearm muscles used to move the lever are not nearly as strong as the biceps and triceps which are used when making a fore-arm stroke.  Wrist casters typically prefer the full-flex rods because they load so easily with such little effort.  Many casters, regardless of casting style, like this type of rod for fishing light lines (4 wt. and lighter) in close conditions where short casts and roll casts are the norm and range of arm motion is restricted.  Full flex rods are the most forgiving of mistakes when fighting fish. Mid-flex rods tend to throw loops that are not as consistently tight as tip-flex rods and are often preferred by those who use more wrist in their cast, but still use the forearm to initiate the stroke.  Wider loops (within reason) are often preferred when casting larger, heavier flies, or nymph and indicator rigs.  They don’t tangle as often from rapidly dropping flies. Mid-flex rods still load fairly easily even with a fair amount of wrist in the casting stroke.  This type of rod is also more forgiving of mistakes than the tip-flex while playing fish. What it all comes down to is what feels good to you.  You need to cast these different rods to see which you like.  If you were new to fly fishing, I’d recommend you learn to use the forearm stroke in your casting and get the tip-flex rod for the best effort/preformance ratio afforded by them.  However, if a person has been fishing for years, they are not likely to change their casting stroke and the best choice is to get a rod that works well with your casting style. I’d recommend you look at the Orvis Silver Label PM-10 906 ($250, 9 ft. 6 wt.) for a tip flex rod, the Silver Label HLS Cutthroat ($250, 9ft. 6wt.) for a mid-flex rod, and the Silver Label Limestone special ($235, 8 1/2 ft. 6wt.) for a full flex rod.  All of these Silver Label rods offer the same performance as their more expensive premium versions but use less expensive cosmetics.   The PM-10 Silver and HLS Silver rods will also cast a 7 wt. line if you need it for larger flies and windier conditions.  The Limestone Special will wallow around if you try to overline it. ;^)                                            Hope this helps,                                                       Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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GG whore-news-hounds like Bob Silie and Charlie Myers were taken there.  If GG you want to destroy a river or cathedral like this, simply write about it. I just love your writing style George and I believe you are right about these things most of the time. You know the water I fish from our conversations regarding John and Elna. I have recently stopped giving information in my posts which refer to the river I fish and live on. Hell, I may even stop referring to the entire State. My question, which is posed to you with the greatest respect for your experience, is simply:     1. Am I a selfish, greedy fool for not wanting my rather private party     crashed,          or     2. Have I been a loudmouthed fool for the many past years and posts I have     made inviting everyone I knew, and many I didn’t to come partake in the     pleasure? I have very mixed emotions about this, but I have seen what you are talking about here happen in so many places. Thanks for the shared experiences and cerebral pleasures your posts have brought me George. Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]  http://www.westonia.com/blueview/                      

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Thanks for the images Mr. Gink.  Again, I can only try and imagine.  By the way, that 10 pound cutthroat is swimming around Pyramid lake with a bunch of buddies the same size……JE

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How ravaged was she when 1983 came around?  My first meeting with this fine fair princess was not a solitary affair, but I know the 14 years since since then have been brutal, accelerating with every season.  Now, I can’t stand to see her.  The agonizing destruction brought on by her own, complex beauty hurts too deeply.  And the trout, tell me, give me an idea of just how much I missed.  In 1983 she seemed in good health, but I have no other version of her to compare, except her violated ugly present state.  Then, I thought I was still seeing at least a glimpse of what you two recall.  Now I can only imagine…

Of course, if the Denver Water Board had their way, it would be a great big recreation area now… — Chester Bullock Affordable Web Design and Hosting for Small Businesses http://www.black-diamond.com

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Comes now, thundering towards the lady, from over the horizon – the goat-fuckers of the Platte River. The crown jewel trout stream in the entire state. At least, I knew her when she was still virgin.  Unmolested, unbaited, with wild rainbows as big and as long as your leg.  Challenged, fought, released for another day.  The genes of yesterday, saved for my tomorrows, and for the tomorrows of children then, yet unborn . . . who want to come now and kill you and your children that play in dark, clear, secret pools.  From wheel-chairs, jeeps, skidoo’s, spinners, and campers filled with canning jars!   Let us strip her garments, her flowing gowns and dress away.  Strip her naked to be raped with drive up camp grounds so the goat-fuckers can cast from the seat of an open topped 4-WD, or float on down the center of the river in black, ugly truck inner-tubes, with rat-faced macdoogal, sun freckled rug rats screaming in your ears.  Who wants to hear those peeping Water Oozels anymore, or the cheer of the blue-bird, or the rattling of the great woodpeckers in the pines?  Its going to be more fun listening to those Coleman Electrical generators and some bitch screaming . . . "Didn’t I tell you to come eat these damned hamburgers?!!" Goodby, sweet Princess.  We knew, one day you were going to be murdered. We all must die, someday but some of us, in the quiet reaches of Colorado’s Outdoors, do it better than others.  Your death has begun and it will be a public affair attended by all of Denver this public hanging that has long been . . . overdue? Mr. G.

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Poignant, truthful and sad. Might as well build the Two Forks dam, just to put our mother out of her anguished misery.

You know, I’ve thought the same thing myself. Although I don’t consider the Platte my "mother" (that’s another river in another place far from here) she has certainly been a lover. Almost better to wipe it all away than see it get worse. </chaz

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Go back to 1968-1972 before the road was paved.  When the Denver Water Board had all of it locked up and then after that, the entire Lake above the Dam.  It was in the days when on a weekend only one or two other cars were hidden or parked on the path in.  When I could fish all week and never see another soul.  When you could look down into Anticipation Pool and watch Rainbows chasing another with a face full of green algae filimentagous moss full of caddis worms, trying to steal  it like a pack of puppies chasing the nipples on mother.  When I could sit on one of those huge basalt/sandstone boulders by the hour watching fish up to fifteen and sixteen pounds darting around like minnows!  Spunky, fearless, not knowing what ‘man’ was about and the depth of the pool protected them from predators, so they hid seldom.  It was water that had no brown trout in it then.  Those were introduced by the idiots at the Wig-Wam Club.  But once started, it hurt the fishery beyond imagination.  It was long before the outdoor writers of the Rocky Mountain News, and the Denver Post and the whore-news-hounds like Bob Silie and Charlie Myers were taken there.  If you want to destroy a river or cathedral like this, simply write about it. It was Brad Fort who first took me here.  It was Brad Fort who taught me that here, little was better and where literally, "Matching the Hatch" meant you took viles of samples home and you INVENTED the emerging caddis flies with the short-side duck-quill-tip wings, the fine gold ribbing, the beaver chest and the black mink fur head and the trailing wood-duck flank legs in sizes 18/2X and 16 hooks.  It was when you stood in front of a little shoot of water and forced yourself to believe that there WAS a fish THERE.  You fished with total focus, no indicators, you concentrated just on the leader where it entered the water.  If you can read water you must learn how to read the drift of a leader.  How it moves, in or out, fast or slows with the current, or how it may simply ‘pause’.  You don’t lift with each ‘guess’ but rather I snap the rod tip down towards the water for about two or six inches.  Its enough to move the mico-caddis offerings to touch a trout without having to come out of the water or off the bottom.  Few, if any other fly fishermen knew this trick I guessed at and was taught by this river to do.  And then the day came of all glorious days in my life.  I had been fishing her in secret for many years.  It was the only place in the west I knew of that had such large fish and so many of them.  Over 8,000 per mile. I began to dream of ‘a feat’.  A club I want to start, even to this day. But with the Rainbow, I think I am the only man in the world to do this feat, but I have not been able to do it with all the other species but I am near to completing it with the brown. It goes like this.  A sixteen inch trout caught on a size sixteen hook. This makes me a member of the 16/16 club.  With the Rainbow Species and all of them caught on the Platte River above Deckers.  I am my own member in good standing for completing all the fish and hook sizes.  They are:  The 18/18 Club, the 20/20, 22/22 and 24/24 Club and then a year later the 26/26 club, the 28/28 club and finally a 32 inch Rainbow caught on a size 32 fly slightly over-sized-dressed as a midge. With the Brown Trout, I have them all except the 26/26 Club and most of those are caught at the Miracle Mile and Big Horn River before the Indians opened it up to public fishing. In this world, on this planet, I don’t think there is a man alive that could spend a lifetime and get this far let alone do all four species on all seven hook sizes.  Such a man, would be remembered forever, I think. This idea, which is copyrighted by me is on the back-burner because the patches and certificates could be won by a little boy fishing a fly in an irrigation ditch such as the 16/16 inch Club Master with a Brown Trout.  As the years pass, the patches start to gather and it would not require killing fish to do it.  Just a camera and a witness.  Two witnesses after one gets over the 20 sizes. There is a man named Charlie Kroll who is the son-in-law of Fred Bear of Bear Archery fame.  Mr. Kroll (who used to be my neighbor in Blackhawk Colorado where I invented Gink) has done something nearly as marvelous and as difficult.  Catching a ten pounder or greater trout of each species on a fly.  He has them all except the Cutthroat.  By the time he got to Reno, the big Cutts had already been pan-fried and are gone.  I don’t think there is another 10 pound cutthroat left in the lower 48 but I think he can still find one in South America. That, remains to be seen. Mr. Gink – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How ravaged was she when 1983 came around?  My first meeting with this fine fair princess was not a solitary affair, but I know the 14 years since since then have been brutal, accelerating with every season.  Now, I can’t stand to see her.  The agonizing destruction brought on by her own, complex beauty hurts too deeply.  And the trout, tell me, give me an idea of just how much I missed.  In 1983 she seemed in good health, but I have no other version of her to compare, except her violated ugly present state.  Then, I thought I was still seeing at least a glimpse of what you two recall.  Now I can only imagine…

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How ravaged was she when 1983 came around?  My first meeting with this fine fair princess was not a solitary affair, but I know the 14 years since since then have been brutal, accelerating with every season.  Now, I can’t stand to see her.  The agonizing destruction brought on by her own, complex beauty hurts too deeply.  And the trout, tell me, give me an idea of just how much I missed.  In 1983 she seemed in good health, but I have no other version of her to compare, except her violated ugly present state.  Then, I thought I was still seeing at least a glimpse of what you two recall.  Now I can only imagine…

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Poignant, truthful and sad.   Might as well build the Two Forks dam, just to put our mother out of her anguished misery. — TimW Halfordian Golfer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Comes now, thundering towards the lady, from over the horizon – the goat-fuckers of the Platte River. The crown jewel trout stream in the entire state. At least, I knew her when she was still virgin.  Unmolested, unbaited, with wild rainbows as big and as long as your leg.  Challenged, fought, released for another day.  The genes of yesterday, saved for my tomorrows, and for the tomorrows of children then, yet unborn . . . who want to come now and kill you and your children that play in dark, clear, secret pools.  From wheel-chairs, jeeps, skidoo’s, spinners, and campers filled with canning jars!   Let us strip her garments, her flowing gowns and dress away.  Strip her naked to be raped with drive up camp grounds so the goat-fuckers can cast from the seat of an open topped 4-WD, or float on down the center of the river in black, ugly truck inner-tubes, with rat-faced macdoogal, sun freckled rug rats screaming in your ears.  Who wants to hear those peeping Water Oozels anymore, or the cheer of the blue-bird, or the rattling of the great woodpeckers in the pines?  Its going to be more fun listening to those Coleman Electrical generators and some bitch screaming . . . "Didn’t I tell you to come eat these damned hamburgers?!!" Goodby, sweet Princess.  We knew, one day you were going to be murdered. We all must die, someday but some of us, in the quiet reaches of Colorado’s Outdoors, do it better than others.  Your death has begun and it will be a public affair attended by all of Denver this public hanging that has long been . . . overdue? Mr. G.

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  Comes now, thundering towards the lady, from over the horizon – the   goat-fuckers of the Platte River. The crown jewel trout stream in   the   entire state.   At least, I knew her when she was still virgin.  Unmolested,   unbaited,   with wild rainbows as big and as long as your leg.  Challenged,   fought,   released for another day.  The genes of yesterday, saved for my   tomorrows, and for the tomorrows of children then, yet unborn . . .   who   want to come now and kill you and your children that play in dark,   clear, secret pools.  From wheel-chairs, jeeps, skidoo’s, spinners,   and   campers filled with canning jars!   Let us strip her garments, her   flowing gowns and dress away.  Strip her naked to be raped with   drive up   camp grounds so the goat-fuckers can cast from the seat of an open   topped 4-WD, or float on down the center of the river in black, ugly   truck inner-tubes, with rat-faced macdoogal, sun freckled rug rats   screaming in your ears.  Who wants to hear those peeping Water   Oozels   anymore, or the cheer of the blue-bird, or the rattling of the great   woodpeckers in the pines?  Its going to be more fun listening to   those   Coleman Electrical generators and some bitch screaming . . . "Didn’t   I   tell you to come eat these damned hamburgers?!!"   Goodby, sweet Princess.  We knew, one day you were going to be   murdered.   We all must die, someday but some of us, in the quiet reaches of   Colorado’s Outdoors, do it better than others.  Your death has begun   and   it will be a public affair attended by all of Denver this public   hanging   that has long been . . . overdue?   Mr. G.  Dear Mr. Gehrke: I was lucky enough, one time many years ago to meet  you as I had watched you fishing above the Wigwam Club long before the paved roads were put in.  When that long grade down into the Platte Canyon could literally kill you.  When it was still wilderness.  I watched you fish the big, deep pools from a huge boulder high above and you were below . . . and I

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I,m looking to purchase property in NM,Colo.,Wy,Id, or Mont.. I need input as to the best areas for Elk and Deer(mule) hunting. Raw land is okay. I need water, access, seclusion,and prefer to border Forest Service lands. thanks, Keith

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S I,m looking to purchase property in NM,Colo.,Wy,Id, or Mont.. I need input S as to the best areas for Elk and Deer(mule) hunting. Raw land is okay. I S need water, access, seclusion,and prefer to border Forest Service lands. S thanks, Keith The Bitterroot Valley of Montana is a top choice Keith. I live there and hunt elk, mule deer, and whitetails when I’m not flyfishing the Bitterroot river or selling real estate. Prices are rising there like everywhere, but great land for what you want is still available reasonably. Don’t wait long though as Montana has been re-discovered. If you’re into hunting and deciding which of those states to settle in, you might also wish to obtain the fish and game laws in those states. Montana is very liberal in seasons, etc. I begin bowhunting in August and can still bowhunt for whitetails until Jan 15! Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]  http://www.westonia.com/blueview/

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Help!. I am going to Portland for 4 days and am wondering if there is any reasonable fly fishing within an hour of town. We won’t be able to go much farther than that. Also, does anyone know what a short-term fishing license (1 to 4 days) costs? I appreciate any help that is offered. I’d like to try some new spots since this opportunity has arisen. Cheers. Jon

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A daily fishing license here in Oregon is $6.75.  There is a note that a salmon,steelhead,sturgeon, or halibut tag is not required for a day license.  The license is available at any Fred Myers stores in the Portland area.  This is the biggest chain of stores in the area that carry licenses although there are others I..e. G.I Joes sporting goods.  If your going to be in the area before the end of October I would recommend the Deschutes River.  Its about a two hour drive east of the Portland area.  I know this is a little farther than you mentioned but I think it is well worth the drive.  From everything I’ve read recently it is one of the best years for steelhead on the river.  I generally fish for trout near Mecca Flats on the Deschutes, if your interested let me know and I’ll email exact directions to you. Another good river for trout is the Clackamas.  It is basically south east of the Portland area and I know alot of people hit it near Estacada.  I’ve only been there once myself and did not have much luck, however had a friend fish it about 2-3 days ago with dries and sounds like he fairly good, lots of bites, smaller trout.  The Deschutes closes for trout oct 31 and steelhead on Dec 31.  If after Oct 31 I would also recommend the north fork of the Nehalem river. Its a coastal river about 1 and half hours west of Portland.  I heard that last year they had a great steelhead run start beginning of Nov. I didn’t get to hit it till January  and it was still full of 12 pounders.  Hopefully this has been some help, fairly new myself to flyfishing.  One last suggestion is to stop at Kaufmann’s Streamborn in Troutdale, sw of Portland, address in local phone book.  If you go there and buy some flies you might get some better info about local fishing than I can provide.  Good Luck. Cory

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SNIP Estacada.  I’ve only been there once myself and did not have much luck, however had a friend fish it about 2-3 days ago with dries and sounds like he fairly good, lots of bites, smaller trout.  The Deschutes closes for trout oct 31 and steelhead on Dec 31.  

SNIP I believe that the Deschutes is open from the locked gate to the mouth for trout year around.  This includes the very popular area above and below Maupin. Jim

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  Its about time the flyfishing newsgroup made it big. Prodigy to my suprise has a new nationally televised commercial featuring flyfishing chat on the Internet. I hope we get many more folks online. If your on the net and a Flyfishing person                          Crystal Flats Guide Service                          Captain Cliff Fleming                          South Padre Island Texas

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:   Its about time the flyfishing newsgroup made it big. Prodigy to my : suprise has a new nationally televised commercial featuring flyfishing : chat on the Internet. I hope we get many more folks online. If your on the : net and a Flyfishing person I was under the impression that the advertisement was for a Prodigy group of ffing, probably called a forum.  There is a difference between online providers and the Internet and Usenet newsgroups and Online provider newsgroups. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.  

Actually, my balance may not be the best, but even though I fall in the stream once in a while, I can still catch fish (unlike some people I know) which is the point of it anyway.  I prefer to stay dry while I catch these fish, but I don’t mind being a little wet.  Hey, I rather be catching fish while a little wet, than being dry and SKUNKED. -Cousin *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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I also have a Sage four piece and find its action as good as any two piece in the same price range that I’ve had the opportunity to cast. I almost went with a two piece instead, working on the (previously stated by someone else) theory that the rod case makes a great hiking staff. But then I also mountain bike to a few favorite spots and that 4-5′ rod case can be a might unwieldy strapped to a bike frame…   Ben

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason
to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads,
etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do
some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations,
consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX
                                              Ennis, MT

Also on short business trips it’s nice to have a small rod that fits in your suitcase or straps to your briefcase. -Clyde         ..            ..   \   (  \  ~     //  )  //        Bay Networks, Inc. "What do you mean, ‘NOT TONIGHT’!?"  

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

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Can’t imagine having only 1 Fly rod, but I have found that my 3pc Sage Casts better than my 2pc Sage of the same series. I believe that Sage has designed the ferrule as an enhancement to the rod

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I have been fishing a Scott 5-pc 9′ #6, 4-pc 8′ 6" #4, and a 4-pc 10′ #8. I have used them for over five years.  The y are the easiest to carry, transport and fike with.  I have never experienced any problems, dead spots, or breakage.  This year, Scott has introduced a lifetime, unconditional guarantee.

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

I agree, fly rods are like golf clubs, you need a different one for every conceivable situation. John Carmichael

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I bought a Sage 590 LL 4 piece travel rod last year and I like the way it casts and it sure is easier to travel with then the 2 piece version. I can carry this one on the airplane (fits in overhead storage) and know that it will arrive at my destination.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. — Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.   Later. —

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                         Brian

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                    Brian

Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                       Brian Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

A time ago I had serious plans on buying a Thomas & Thomas Horizon travel rod. I had tried the 2 pc and wanted a 4 pc if it was as good as the 2 pc. The xtra money did not matter to me then. After trying the 4 pc I was very disappointed and bought the 2 pc, a T&T HS864. I think that if you can find a 4 pc rod you like a lot, buy it, but don’t buy a rod that you ‘almost’ want just because it is 4 pc. It’s worth the trouble carrying the 2 pc when you travel. Good luck. /Key | Key Hyckenberg                        |                       | | http://www.csd.uu.se/~m91key/         |                       | | University of Uppsala, Sweden         |                       | | Department of Mathematics             |         – L P Deutsch | |                                                               | | **** A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work **** | |                                                               |

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My recommendation is: By a travel rod!!!! with two piece rods. There are a huge selection of excellent three and four piece rods available on the market. Tight lines! Inge

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I agree with Andrew.  I have taken my two piece rods, an eight foot four weight and a ten foot seven weight, to alaska six times.  There has never been a problem.  It was not at all difficult.  The rod tubes will fit in the overhead compartments on most jets.  Traveling on commercial airlines is not a reason just to buy short or multi-piece rods. Just my $0.0212 (thats two cents plus 6% Michigan sales tax) worth. Steve

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads, etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations, consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

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As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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