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This one looks nice, but I have not tried it yet; http://www.gerberblades.com/gerberlegendaryblades.html?07572 As I said, I use mine mainly for work. It has seen very heavy usage, and is still as good as new. The first couple of "leathermans" I tried, were nowhere near as robust. One thing I would advise anybody buying such a tool, is to buy a decent leather sheath for it. The cordura pouches don
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Bloody horrible tasting,
I’m, surprised……I was told they taste like bald eagle….. and they cost a fortune.. about $5000 if you get caught with one.
….well, about the same price per pound, anyway. Of course the trick is not to get caught with one. hmmm maybe I could start a new franchise business KFK
Too late. Already been done…..they just changed the name. 
Wolfgang well, ya got yer kaka, and then ya got yer caca……and it don’t taste like chicken to me.
Wolfgang well, ya got yer kaka, and then ya got yer caca……and it don’t taste like chicken to me.
It may be art, though. From the London Telegraph: —— The Tate values excrement more highly than gold By Catherine Milner, Arts Correspondent (Filed: 30/06/2002) Critics of modern art will at least applaud the irony. The Tate Gallery has paid
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<SNIP Good for you. Here’s a bit more. Don’t call a perfectly reasonable post by a valued contributor "horse crap" and don’t try to justify a clueless and moronic scold of same by citing every friggin’ fish you’ve ever hooked as your bona fides.
<SNIP Thanks for the support, it is most appreciated. Some things are indeed not worth wasting time on though, and I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! TL MC
… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account!
Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. 
— Ken Fortenberry
… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. — Ken Fortenberry
I don’t understand why this is even being discussed. With Ken’s mild-mannered approach to other’s feelings, I can’t imagine anyone contemplating even a slight flame. Tim (yeah, I know, I’m a fuckin’ moron)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP So I guess there’s more than one view around here. Gary Oh there are lots of views around here. Big game fishing sounds very attractive, but it is unlikely that I will ever do any. Like some other things, bonefishing, or stalking flats or mangroves for various exciting fish. My back would in any case almost certainly not be up to it. I have enjoyed reading about it, or hearing various reports from time to time though. I fear dry-fly fishing is a much more sedate affair. Just as exciting and interesting in its own way though. I hope you get the opportunity to do some.
Hi Mike, you are right about dryfly fishing being just as exciting as saltwater flyfishing. I remember my first trip saltwater flyfishing: 3 weeks in Grand Cayman and a lot of small tarpon to 25lbs. As the trip was drawing in, I started cringing as to how I would be able to get back on terms with the 1lb wild brownies in my local stream. Lo and behold, after 20 mins on the stream I had completely forgotten the saltwater battles, as I was totally immersed in fishing the dryfly.
… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. — Ken Fortenberry
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Hauling: technical thoughts?
Putting all that together, I gather that I haven’t broken a rod while casting because I use a roll cast or retrieve enough of a wet line to avoid that overload on the lift, and I’m never over bending the rod while casting. The fatal errors come in the heat of battle. The more I think about it, I see what you mean about casting being the heaviest force on the rod. Thanks for your help, Chas
The force generated by "hauling" is not "applied directly" to the line. It’s applied though the loaded, and increasingly loaded, rod.
If it’s done right the rod is already fully loaded and you are just accelerating the line and, more importantly, the tip of the line. — Charlie…
The force generated by "hauling" is not "applied directly" to the line. It’s applied though the loaded, and increasingly loaded, rod. If it’s done right the rod is already fully loaded and you are just accelerating the line and, more importantly, the tip of the line. — Charlie…
Charlie, Your analysis of hauling to increase line speed and thus increasing casting distance is correct. If it was a matter of loading the rod as rw says the caster would only have to apply more power to accomplish this. Ernie
rw, If the haul is done correctly the rod is fully loaded and any additional speed must be imparted to the line by foreword movement of your arm and by pulling "hauling" the line through the guides. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have to doubt that additional rod loading is minimal, Mike. The only way the caster can increase the speed of the line is by accelerating it. The only way he can accelerate it is by exerting a force on the line at the rod tip. (F=ma). An equal and opposite force is exerted on the rod at the tip, which results in loading the rod.
Charlie, Your analysis of hauling to increase line speed and thus increasing casting distance is correct. If it was a matter of loading the rod as rw says the caster would only have to apply more power to accomplish this. Ernie
I’m not saying that the *point* of hauling is to load the rod. I’m saying only that one *effect* of hauling is additional loading of the rod. It has to have that effect — there’s no way around it. Hauling accelerates the line, which generates a force on the rod tip. (F=ma) Consider three cases: 1. After loading the rod on the forward cast (with no hauling), you accidently lose your grip on the line with your noncasting hand. The acceleration of the line vanishes, the force on the rod tip vanishes, the rod straightens without appreciably affecting the line, and the line falls on the water in a bloody mess. 2. You make a normal forward cast without hauling, just holding the line tight. A force is applied to the line by the rod tip, causing acceleration of the line. An equal and opposite force is applied to the rod top, causing loading of the rod. 3. You make a forward cast while hauling. The action of the noncasting hand, pulling on the line, causes an *additional* acceleration of the line. This additional acceleration causes an *additional* force on the rod tip, resulting in additional loading of the rod. If you ignore things like friction, you could replace the effect (on the rod) of hauling by a transient additional stress in the line, and the rod would have no way of "knowing" the difference. It would simply load more. (The line would behave very differently, though.) These three cases are really just points in a continuum. Whether you consider this additional rod loading to be significant is your business, but it’s nonetheless real. This is just elementary physics. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Whether you consider this additional rod loading to be significant is your business, but it’s nonetheless real. This is just elementary physics.
It also ignores the fact that the line is not attached to the tip of the rod and that the rod is very nearly, if not fully, loaded. There may be some additional loading, but what makes the haul work is the additional acceleration applied directly to the line. This is just elementary geometry<g. — Charlie…
http://www.mikeconnor.de You didn’t comment on my second reason. Does this make sense to you? A second reason that the loading is not the key is that you could achieve the same additional loading if you just applied a bit more casting force. We know that a man of modest strength and a good haul can outcast a muscle man who doesn’t haul. Thanks Chas
This is also correct. The amount of linespeed any particular rod may generate in a flyline by direct action is limited by various things, one of which is the strength and speed of the caster. ( assuming once again perfect technique). If you haul, you do not increase the loading, as you do not use direct rod action, but your line hand, and you do not require any more strength and speed to obtain similar results to someone who does not haul. However, a powerful person with good technique will always cast better ( assuming distance casting here of course), than a weaker person, simply because he has more power per se. TL MC
– "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it were so that hauling dramatically increased rod loading, then hauling on an already optimally loaded rod would cause it to fold up. I’ve been mean to a few rods at times, putting a #10 line in a #8 rod and casting Pike flies for instance, but I’ve never managed to break one casting. Is this because most of my fishing has been with Graphite or Glass? I have to dig back into some old Physics books to get the details, but I remember stress and strain curves for various materials showing a linear relationship until a limit was released, and then additional stress produced excessive strain until the material failed. Certainly with an old shoe or a fish on the line and a stout leader it’s easy enough to pass the elastic limit, but does that happen in casting as well? Thanks Chas
If you ask most people at what point a rod is stressed the most, then many of them will tell you that it is in playing a fish. This is not the case. The basic maximum stress condition for a rod, when used correctly, is when casting. Most modern rods can stand a great deal more stress in this respect than is generally realised. What they can not stand is shock loading under stress. If you jerk a rod when it is already loaded with a "dead weight", either played out fish, old shoe etc etc then it is highly likely to break. Solid glass fibre rods were probably the most robust rods to date. Carbon fibre suffers from one or two disadvantages here. Even a slight nick in the surface of a blank can cause sudden massive failure, sometimes the blank will simply shatter without warning. More rods are broken by various extraneous factors than by casting. The failure might indeed occur when casting, but is usually the result of some other fault. Car doors, falling down on the rod, excessive heat, leaning a rod on a stone and nicking it, ramming the tip into a tree, etc etc. Constantly overloading a rod by casting full lines etc, which are way over the rated weight will usually cause a blank failure as well of course. Most rods broken while actually fishing, do so for a number of reasons, the main one directly fishing related, is getting snagged, putting a good bend in the rod, and then jerking it. This will quite easily snap a carbon fibre blank, or shatter it . The sudden extreme shock loading under stress is more than the rod can handle. The second most common reason is trying to lift a long line, especially a sunken one, without first roll-casting the line to the surface. Attempting to do this will break most rods. The sudden massive loading is once again more than they can stand. The third most common reason is attempting to land a fish by holding the rod almost vertically, and allowing it to bend over ninety degrees from the vertical. The fish plunges, and the rod simply snaps at the tip. No major exertions are required here by the way, doing the same thing while threading a line through the rings will also snap a rod tip quite easily. What often happens here, is that the rod is bent, and then the blank "rolls" suddenly changing the stress patterns in the blank walls, and causing it to break. Occasionally rods are broken when fighting very large fish, but this is again an error on the part of the angler. It should normally be impossible for a fish to break a rod, given sufficient angling skill, and correct tackle.. Holding a rod in the fingers and bending it, is also very dangerous. Especially with fine tips. Assuming a rod in good condition, no nicks etc. And also assuming correctly matched line, and reasonable casting, and correct use, then the likelihood of breaking a rod is actually very low indeed. TL MC
"Mike Connor" wrote This is not a matter of taking sides I hope. Otherwise I will simply retire from the discussion. This is a technical discussion and nothing more.
Of course, my sloppy wording betrayed me. Apart from that, you are perfectly correct. Although the rod loading generated by hauling is inconsequential, irrespective of the current loading state of the rod. When the rod is already optimally loaded, and as you say at its stiffest, the added loading generated by hauling is so small as to be insignificant. This is just as well, as if hauling did in fact appreciably increase rod loading, then an already optimally loaded rod would simply fold up under the added strain.
You didn’t comment on my second reason. Does this make sense to you? A second reason that the loading is not the key is that you could achieve the same additional loading if you just applied a bit more casting force. We know that a man of modest strength and a good haul can outcast a muscle man who doesn’t haul.
Thanks Chas
If it were so that hauling dramatically increased rod loading, then hauling on an already optimally loaded rod would cause it to fold up.
I’ve been mean to a few rods at times, putting a #10 line in a #8 rod and casting Pike flies for instance, but I’ve never managed to break one casting. Is this because most of my fishing has been with Graphite or Glass? I have to dig back into some old Physics books to get the details, but I remember stress and strain curves for various materials showing a linear relationship until a limit was released, and then additional stress produced excessive strain until the material failed. Certainly with an old shoe or a fish on the line and a stout leader it’s easy enough to pass the elastic limit, but does that happen in casting as well? Thanks Chas
When you haul you’re loading the rod by making it work harder against the inertia of the line. I don’t really think "shortening the line" is a good way to look at it. A haul takes in maybe two or three feet of line, and you have maybe 30 feet or more out. I agree with what you’re saying, but I can "cast" nearly thirty feet by using only my right arm as the rod (with fingers in O shape to act as the tiptop) and a lefthand haul. So there’s more to it than just the rod tip.
Your finger is playing the role of the rod tip in that case. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:33 AM This would be correct if the line was fixed at the rod tip. When hauling it is not. It moves more or less freely through the guides. The force applied is applied directly to the line, independent of the rod loading. The "equal and opposite reaction" in this case, is immediate line acceleration due to a direct pull, and is independent of the rod. Some of this force( a relatively small amount actually ) does indeed go towards the total rod loading, but compared to the force which is transferred to the line, this may be more or less ignored. I’m afraid you’re missing the point, Mike. It’s really irrelevant whether the line is fixed or free to move through the guides. There is a force exerted on the line, by the rod tip, that accelerates the line. There is a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the rod tip. That force has the effect of bending the rod. The greater the force, the more the line is accelerated, and the more the rod is bent (i.e., loaded). None of this force can be "ignored". The force generated by "hauling" is not "applied directly" to the line. It’s applied though the loaded, and increasingly loaded, rod. The acceleration is induced by a direct pull on the line, and is only possible because the line is indeed able to move independent of the rod tip. The point is, that when you haul, the line moves, and the rod does not, or only slightly. Thread your rod up with a line. Lay the line out and point the rod straight down the line. Grasp the line at the butt, and pull sharply. The rod has not been loaded in any way, but the line will spring towards you. The direct pull moves the mass directly. Do the same thing holding the rod at an angle to the line, The same thing occurs, with a relatively small proportion of the applied force bending the rod tip slightly, if at all. Progressively increase the angle until the rod is at right angles to the line. At this point the maximum possible rod loading, under these circumstances, will occur when you pull on the line, nevertheless, the majority of the energy involved still goes towards moving the line, the tip will barely move. It is quite immaterial how hard, how long, or how fast you pull. The energy is transferred directly to the line. The rod is barely affected. The angle of the rod changes the vector, and the rod loads a little, due to friction mainly, but the majority of the energy involved goes into moving the line. If it were so that hauling dramatically increased rod loading, then hauling on an already optimally loaded rod would cause it to fold up. This is not the case. The result of hauling is dramatically increased linespeed, because of the direct application of force to the line. You dont have to believe me, just try it. This is also incidentally why striking a fish with a pull on the line is better than doing it with the rod. The force applied is transferred more or less directly, with very little loss, to the hook point. The rod does not move much, and is not loaded appreciably. Only the line moves. If you strike with the rod, you must first load it, before you can apply any force at all, and because of the mechanical disadvantage involved, the force you transfer will be minimal, and indirect. The principles are the same in both cases. In one case you are transferring energy to accelerate a mass using the short end of a flexible lever, and in the other case you are doing it by giving a direct pull. The lever is in the second case quite immaterial, and may be ignored. TL MC Again, there’s no "direct" pull on the line. ALL the force affecting the airborne line is generated at the rod tip. If you lay a piece of string along a table top, and pull one end, depending on the force and speed with which you pull, you can accelerate the string quite easily, giving it very considerable momentum. The string accelerates immediately, simply as a result of the pull. No rods etc are involved. The only force involved is the direct pull. Sure, but that’s not what’s happening when the line is strung though a rod. You (the caster) can exert a force on the line in your left (hauling) hand, but the only force that can be exerted on the airborne line *outside* the rod is exerted at the rod tip. Before hauling was discovered, the line momentum was indeed totally dependent on the acceleration of the rod tip. With hauling, this is no longer the case. When hauling, the extra line velocity is independent of the rod tip. I’m not saying *anything* about the acceleration of the rod tip. I’m only saying that the force on the line (outside the rod) is generated ONLY at the rod tip. Where else? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de
This is not a matter of taking sides I hope. Otherwise I will simply retire from the discussion. This is a technical discussion and nothing more. Apart from that, you are perfectly correct. Although the rod loading generated by hauling is inconsequential, irrespective of the current loading state of the rod. When the rod is already optimally loaded, and as you say at its stiffest, the added loading generated by hauling is so small as to be insignificant. This is just as well, as if hauling did in fact appreciably increase rod loading, then an already optimally loaded rod would simply fold up under the added strain. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RW, I have to side with Mike here, for a couple reasons. If the haul is done right, it happens when the rod is fully loaded. At that point it’s at it’s stiffest, and the flex isn’t increased much by the added force. The reaction force is actually the force you apply with your line hand when you haul the line in. A second reason that the loading is not the key is that you could achieve the same additional loading if you just applied a bit more casting force. We know that a man of modest strength and a good haul can outcast a muscle man who doesn’t haul. Also, there is direct pull on the line, the guides are like pulleys. If you consider an 18 inch haul, and watch the effect on the rod tip, I bet it’s drawn back less than 4 inches. The other 14 inches were directly applied to the line. Chas
This would be correct if the line was fixed at the rod tip. When hauling it is not. It moves more or less freely through the guides. The force applied is applied directly to the line, independent of the rod loading. The "equal and opposite reaction" in this case, is immediate line acceleration due to a direct pull, and is independent of the rod. Some of this force( a relatively small amount actually ) does indeed go towards the total rod loading, but compared to the force which is transferred to the line, this may be more or less ignored.
I’m afraid you’re missing the point, Mike. It’s really irrelevant whether the line is fixed or free to move through the guides. There is a force exerted on the line, by the rod tip, that accelerates the line. There is a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the rod tip. That force has the effect of bending the rod. The greater the force, the more the line is accelerated, and the more the rod is bent (i.e., loaded). None of this force can be "ignored". The force generated by "hauling" is not "applied directly" to the line. It’s applied though the loaded, and increasingly loaded, rod. The acceleration is induced by a direct pull on the line, and is only possible because the line is indeed able to move independent of the rod tip.
Again, there’s no "direct" pull on the line. ALL the force affecting the airborne line is generated at the rod tip. If you lay a piece of string along a table top, and pull one end, depending on the force and speed with which you pull, you can accelerate the string quite easily, giving it very considerable momentum. The string accelerates immediately, simply as a result of the pull. No rods etc are involved. The only force involved is the direct pull.
Sure, but that’s not what’s happening when the line is strung though a rod. You (the caster) can exert a force on the line in your left (hauling) hand, but the only force that can be exerted on the airborne line *outside* the rod is exerted at the rod tip. Before hauling was discovered, the line momentum was indeed totally dependent on the acceleration of the rod tip. With hauling, this is no longer the case. When hauling, the extra line velocity is independent of the rod tip.
I’m not saying *anything* about the acceleration of the rod tip. I’m only saying that the force on the line (outside the rod) is generated ONLY at the rod tip. Where else? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Additional rod loading when hauling is minimal. Most of the force used is transmitted directly to the line, increasing its speed immediately and drastically. Momentum = Mass * Velocity
I have to doubt that additional rod loading is minimal, Mike. The only way the caster can increase the speed of the line is by accelerating it. The only way he can accelerate it is by exerting a force on the line at the rod tip. (F=ma). An equal and opposite force is exerted on the rod at the tip, which results in loading the rod. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
This would be correct if the line was fixed at the rod tip. When hauling it is not. It moves more or less freely through the guides. The force applied is applied directly to the line, independent of the rod loading. The "equal and opposite reaction" in this case, is immediate line acceleration due to a direct pull, and is independent of the rod. Some of this force( a relatively small amount actually ) does indeed go towards the total rod loading, but compared to the force which is transferred to the line, this may be more or less ignored. The acceleration is induced by a direct pull on the line, and is only possible because the line is indeed able to move independent of the rod tip. If you lay a piece of string along a table top, and pull one end, depending on the force and speed with which you pull, you can accelerate the string quite easily, giving it very considerable momentum. The string accelerates immediately, simply as a result of the pull. No rods etc are involved. The only force involved is the direct pull. Before hauling was discovered, the line momentum was indeed totally dependent on the acceleration of the rod tip. With hauling, this is no longer the case. When hauling, the extra line velocity is independent of the rod tip. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Additional rod loading when hauling is minimal. Most of the force used is transmitted directly to the line, increasing its speed immediately and drastically. Momentum = Mass * Velocity I have to doubt that additional rod loading is minimal, Mike. The only way the caster can increase the speed of the line is by accelerating it. The only way he can accelerate it is by exerting a force on the line at the rod tip. (F=ma). An equal and opposite force is exerted on the rod at the tip, which results in loading the rod. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
One other point. Inertia is the direct measurement of a mass. The only way to change inertia is to change the mass. One may not "break" inertia. One may overcome it, ( move the mass) by applying force. Newtons laws explain this relatively simply. The first law states that: " A body will remain at rest, or continue to move steadily in a straight line without acceleration unless it is acted on by an unopposed force. The second law states: "The acceleration of a body depends directly on the force acting on it but inversely upon its mass" The third law states: "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" Force is a measure of the rate at which momentum is changed. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Additional rod loading when hauling is minimal. Most of the force used is transmitted directly to the line, increasing its speed immediately and drastically.
I sure hope you’re not breaking your wrist with this arm cast, which would be very bad form, you know. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with what you’re saying, but I can "cast" nearly thirty feet by using only my right arm as the rod (with fingers in O shape to act as the tiptop) and a lefthand haul. So there’s more to it than just the rod tip. In fact, in a blindfold test I can’t tell the difference between a Cabelas rod and my own arm
So, In your estimation, does your wrist have a fast action or slow action and how does it affect your distance?
Well, it’s not a limp wrist I’ll tell you that much And while it *is* acting as the rod tip, it’s not loading in the same sense as a fly rod is it? Isn’t most of the line action due to acceleration because I’m pulling on it (and not wrist flip caused by the pulling)? –Steve
RW, I have to side with Mike here, for a couple reasons. If the haul is done right, it happens when the rod is fully loaded. At that point it’s at it’s stiffest, and the flex isn’t increased much by the added force. The reaction force is actually the force you apply with your line hand when you haul the line in. A second reason that the loading is not the key is that you could achieve the same additional loading if you just applied a bit more casting force. We know that a man of modest strength and a good haul can outcast a muscle man who doesn’t haul. Also, there is direct pull on the line, the guides are like pulleys. If you consider an 18 inch haul, and watch the effect on the rod tip, I bet it’s drawn back less than 4 inches. The other 14 inches were directly applied to the line. Chas
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This would be correct if the line was fixed at the rod tip. When hauling it is not. It moves more or less freely through the guides. The force applied is applied directly to the line, independent of the rod loading. The "equal and opposite reaction" in this case, is immediate line acceleration due to a direct pull, and is independent of the rod. Some of this force( a relatively small amount actually ) does indeed go towards the total rod loading, but compared to the force which is transferred to the line, this may be more or less ignored. I’m afraid you’re missing the point, Mike. It’s really irrelevant whether the line is fixed or free to move through the guides. There is a force exerted on the line, by the rod tip, that accelerates the line. There is a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the rod tip. That force has the effect of bending the rod. The greater the force, the more the line is accelerated, and the more the rod is bent (i.e., loaded). None of this force can be "ignored". The force gener ated by "hauling" is not "applied directly" to the line. It’s applied though the loaded, and increasingly loaded, rod. The acceleration is induced by a direct pull on the line, and is only possible because the line is indeed able to move independent of the rod tip. Again, there’s no "direct" pull on the line. ALL the force affecting the airborne line is generated at the rod tip. If you lay a piece of string along a table top, and pull one end, depending on the force and speed with which you pull, you can accelerate the string quite easily, giving it very considerable momentum. The string accelerates immediately, simply as a result of the pull. No rods etc are involved. The only force involved is the direct pull. Sure, but that’s not what’s happening when the line is strung though a rod. You (the caster) can exert a force on the line in your left (hauling) hand, but the only force that can be exerted on the airborne line *outside* the rod is exerted at the rod tip. Before hauling was discovered, the line momentum was indeed totally dependent on the acceleration of the rod tip. With hauling, this is no longer the case. When hauling, the extra line velocity is independent of the rod tip. I’m not saying *anything* about the acceleration of the rod tip. I’m only saying that the force on the line (outside the rod) is generated ONLY at the rod tip. Where else? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
So, In your estimation, does your wrist have a fast action or slow action and how does it affect your distance? Paul
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When you haul you’re loading the rod by making it work harder against the inertia of the line. I don’t really think "shortening the line" is a good way to look at it. A haul takes in maybe two or three feet of line, and you have maybe 30 feet or more out. I agree with what you’re saying, but I can "cast" nearly thirty feet by using only my right arm as the rod (with fingers in O shape to act as the tiptop) and a lefthand haul. So there’s more to it than just the rod tip. In fact, in a blindfold test I can’t tell the difference between a Cabelas rod and my own arm –Steve
Additional rod loading when hauling is minimal. Most of the force used is transmitted directly to the line, increasing its speed immediately and drastically. Momentum = Mass * Velocity A very short haul of a couple of inches is sufficient to increase line speed drastically, and thus increase its momentum, allowing the mass to be thrown a greater distance. The harder(force), longer ( distance) and faster( time) the haul, the greater the resulting line momentum, independent of the rod. The same effect may be observed without using a rod at all. Shortening line decreases the mass, and therefore reduces momentum. As far as hauling is concerned this is more or less negligible. Shortening the line by even a couple of feet, does not reduce its mass by much. If you overload the rod, the haul will still be effective, but due to the rod already being overloaded, additional strain, even slight, due to shock loading might damage it. Otherwise the length of line ( total mass ) is irrelevant when hauling. The effect is the same with or without a rod, and with any length of line. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From what I’ve always been told, the reason that hauling improves the line speed is that additional loading is put into the rod by the action of hauling. Obviously the hauling is done during the power phases fore and aft. An immediate reaction of the hauling action is a shortening of the line, and therefore an increase in velocity: Is it at all significant compared to the additional loading of the rod? Is the inertia of the line broken by the haul and therefore allows the spring of the rod to work on an already moving line? I suppose the way to test it out would be to overline a rod and cast a sufficient length of line to overload the rod. Would hauling be effective? According to the simple haul/loading spring idea, the haul would (perhaps) be ineffective, though the shortening of the line (derived from the haul) would still prevail?
When you haul you’re loading the rod by making it work harder against the inertia of the line. I don’t really think "shortening the line" is a good way to look at it. A haul takes in maybe two or three feet of line, and you have maybe 30 feet or more out.
I agree with what you’re saying, but I can "cast" nearly thirty feet by using only my right arm as the rod (with fingers in O shape to act as the tiptop) and a lefthand haul. So there’s more to it than just the rod tip. In fact, in a blindfold test I can’t tell the difference between a Cabelas rod and my own arm –Steve
From what I’ve always been told, the reason that hauling improves the line speed is that additional loading is put into the rod by the action of hauling. Obviously the hauling is done during the power phases fore and aft. An immediate reaction of the hauling action is a shortening of the line, and therefore an increase in velocity: Is it at all significant compared to the additional loading of the rod? Is the inertia of the line broken by the haul and therefore allows the spring of the rod to work on an already moving line? I suppose the way to test it out would be to overline a rod and cast a sufficient length of line to overload the rod. Would hauling be effective? According to the simple haul/loading spring idea, the haul would (perhaps) be ineffective, though the shortening of the line (derived from the haul) would still prevail?
From what I’ve always been told, the reason that hauling improves the line speed is that additional loading is put into the rod by the action of hauling. Obviously the hauling is done during the power phases fore and aft. An immediate reaction of the hauling action is a shortening of the line, and therefore an increase in velocity: Is it at all significant compared to the additional loading of the rod? Is the inertia of the line broken by the haul and therefore allows the spring of the rod to work on an already moving line?
When you haul you’re loading the rod by making it work harder against the inertia of the line. I don’t really think "shortening the line" is a good way to look at it. A haul takes in maybe two or three feet of line, and you have maybe 30 feet or more out. Imagine what would happen if the end of the line were attached to a springy tree branch when you hauled. (An all too frequent occurence in my case.) The rod would bend even if you didn’t move it forward. By hauling, you cause an increase in the force exerted by the rod tip on the line. When you haul in the normal, more felicitous case, more or less the same thing happens, but the resistance of the tree branch is replaced by the inertia of the line. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
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Thanks Frank.`Little stores like this are why we enjoy ROFF. Big Dale
Thanks for sharing that with us. Oh how I can relate. Those Panfish are real stress relievers. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The day was stressful. Allot of little failures. A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there. The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation. You need a success. Out of the cubicle farm and on the road. Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard. You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway. Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work. In that little pond, you know there is a big fish. One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment. If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out. You get on the water and work it like a journeyman. Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle. You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader. You test the knot, not once but twice. Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots. You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern. You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove. You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from. You toss him back. He’s not the target today. You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank. You catch a fair size bluegill. You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook. You don’t toss him in, you bend down and let him slide in the water. He dashes to cover. You continue to cast. There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings. You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips. You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies. You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years. The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor. Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died. You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive. You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line. You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious. Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success. That big fish. As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter. He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags. The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond. Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond. They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow. Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep. No more hits, nothing rising. You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success. But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds. You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring. You did enjoy many little successes. Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one. As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes. Ying and yang. The pond is asleep now. Its time for you to let it rest. Even fishermen need sleep. Frank Reid
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When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable. :) good job Peter
That’s harsh, really harsh. When I first saw it, I thought it was the East Coast version of the California condor. It kept circling above me. Things that make you go hmmmm.. Frank "Carrion Baggage" Reid
The day was stressful. … Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry
When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable. :) good job Peter
Nice report Frank, a little sanity in the midst of madness eh ? TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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The day was stressful. …
Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry
The day was stressful. Allot of little failures. A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there. The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation. You need a success. Out of the cubicle farm and on the road. Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard. You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway. Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work. In that little pond, you know there is a big fish. One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment. If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out. You get on the water and work it like a journeyman. Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle. You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader. You test the knot, not once but twice. Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots. You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern. You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove. You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from. You toss him back. He’s not the target today. You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank. You catch a fair size bluegill. You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook. You don’t toss him in, you bend down and let him slide in the water. He dashes to cover. You continue to cast. There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings. You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips. You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies. You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years. The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor. Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died. You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive. You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line. You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious. Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success. That big fish. As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter. He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags. The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond. Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond. They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow. Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep. No more hits, nothing rising. You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success. But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds. You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring. You did enjoy many little successes. Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one. As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes. Ying and yang. The pond is asleep now. Its time for you to let it rest. Even fishermen need sleep. Frank Reid
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My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff.
YES — my thoughts precisely. I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!! The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend. ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL! For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!
For a quarter?!? Wow I am envious. I won’t be able to go garage saling until next week. Deb Wise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday. For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies. In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets. I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL! I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott
My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna
I wouldn’t trade my camping trips for a cruise any day. There are so many priceless moments with the kids! Just picture my little girl, learning fly-fishing on the beach of a lake last year. She was doing really good, and she got a bite. My DH had told her to give it a tug and set the hook. Well, the poor dear pulled like she’d hooked a shark, and a very surprised little girl had a little bluegill fly past her head and land about 20 feet behind her. She caught it! She was pleased, then asked if this 4 inch fish was too small to eat. We quickly let the poor thing go, but what a memory! Huddled together in a tent in the thunderstorm is another matter. Lovin’ the great outdoors, Greta
My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna
Me too!! I wasn’t raised *roughing it* but my husband was. Guess who had to change!!!! Candi
I agree! DH wants to go camping for vacation. I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back. Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation! Di’mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely. I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!! The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend. ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL! For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!
This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G. It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree! DH wants to go camping for vacation. I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back. Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation! Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely. I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!! The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend. ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL! For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!
Have to laugh because we are getting ready to head out for a Civil War reenactment at Wilson’s Creek, Missouri and not only will I be camping, it will be 1861 for the wekend – water in wooden casks (and don’t ask who’ll be using wooden buckets to haul it into camp), open fire cooking, and candles for lighting. And all this as a proper 19th century lady, petticoated and corsetted. Needless to say I am NOT bringing good needlework projects to camp – they aren’t period and they are too expensive to risk in the outdoors – it will be knitting and quilting for me this weekend. — Janet Rice
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree! DH wants to go camping for vacation. I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back. Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation! Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely. I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!! The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend. ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL! For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!
We have 1992 motorhome, which was our ONLY home for four years, while we wandered the United States.My husband considered it "roughing it" if the microwave broke, or trees blocked out the satellite dish! Nowadays, roughing it is when he gets to a campground, and there is nowhere to plug in his laptop, and download mail!! Gillian in Polk City, FL "Cindy
I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV. It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. ) When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches. I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice. The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it). I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep. I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G. It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!
Liz from Humbug
This sounds so familiar, I can curl up and stitch or read for hours, while he walks around muttering that there’s nothing to do! Campground this year has a fishing creek, I got him a license and a rod and reel, and let him go looking for fish. (he hasn’t found any yet, but it keeps him busy! Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV. It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. ) When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches. I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice. The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it). I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep. I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G. It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away! Liz from Humbug
I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday. For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies. In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets. I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL! I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott
I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday. For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies. In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets. I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL! I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott
Lucky you!!! You made quite a haul! Candi
Oh, my. For a QUARTER?!!! I’m coming yard saling with you. I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale. Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. Finished 2/24/2000 – Sweet 16 (Silver Lining) WIP:Twins Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe, Teen Creed, California Sampler, America the Beautiful (Nimble Needle), antique green doll (Vervaco) Don’t risk your on-line privileges! I report all Spam.
Oh, my. For a QUARTER?!!! I’m coming yard saling with you. I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale. Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity.
This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly. Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar, booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar. Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style. An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started. Probably a reflection of the area. From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much. On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott
Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, my. For a QUARTER?!!! I’m coming yard saling with you. I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale. Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly. Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar, booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar. Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style. An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started. Probably a reflection of the area. From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much. On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott
Hey Nan– Are you sure all this S.E.X. didn’t upset your budget? BEG Anyway, enjoy it all! Tobie — WIP: Silhouette of Bride & Groom (NP); Tallit Bag Cover (NP); Lace Border & Name (Endearments Old & New NP); Picture of 5 clowns (NP); Ocean Princess (James Himsworth XS); Hanukkah Dreidel (NP)
It’s interesting that with yard sales you tend to do better on different items in different geographic areas. Having lived in a lot of different places, my conclusion is that this type of yard sale find is most common in areas where people have or regularly rent vacation cottages near their homes, like within driving distance of a beach or mountains. Women live with the delusion that they will get to the holiday place and have the time to do needlework when in point of fact they keep house in a different location with fewer "mod cons." My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. Nan Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver Oh, my. For a QUARTER?!!! I’m coming yard saling with you. I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale. Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly. Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar, booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar. Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style. An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started. Probably a reflection of the area. From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much. On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » just begining have questions
Bill, Make sure your rod and line weight are matched. Make sure you have enough line pulled off the reel when you cast. Fly casting is different than bait casting in that the line does not play off the reel, it has to be already off. There are numerous line dressings available through your local FF shop or via catalog. I highly recommend this book, Flyfishing; First Cast to First Fish by Joseph F. Petralia. It is outstanding. Keep at it and keep asking questions, it’s the greatest pastime (obsession) in the world! — Rhio H. Barnhart Head, Music Department Library Systems Manager for Music University of California, Davis
I’m glad I’m not the only one who uses their lunch hour to practice casting. I bet you’ve heard a lot of the same comments I have. "I think that hole is fished out." "What cha fishin’ for?" "Any bites?" My standard reply is "I’m ‘dry’ fly fishing. Don’t see much point in it so far." or "I’m trying to catch that little red pickup over there, but it doesn’t like any of my flys." Dave T. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Just a test, please ignore.
See Subject. Lou
See Subject.
See Subject run.
See Subject. See Subject run.
Run Subject. Run! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
I can see subject run now.
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Sorry just testing…
Sorry just testing…
Hi No problem about testing, that’s how we learn. Next time ask a question or share some information. We’d like to hear from you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html
Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur
Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur
You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. — Ken Fortenberry
Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur
LOL! Now THAT was funny!
Testing…1…2…3….!
This is only a test… Bow-wow!
Testing…1…2…3….!
____ Are you going to sit on that porch all day or are you going to come out and play in the yard with the big dogs now? ; ) the puppy Mr. G.
Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.
Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.
There’s an alt.test group that’ll not only post but send you an email about what’s happened to it. Not that that matters when you regularly read a group, but it’s sometimes a pain to the poster to wade through everything to find out if his / her post made it. — rbc: vixen Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli
Are my messages getting out to the NG? None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso
We read you loud and clear Bob! — Opie **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are my messages getting out to the NG? None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso
Thanks for responses fellas – ran virus scan – no vireo, DSL was AOK, sent Netscape nastygram, fed Ol’ Whiskerface hot half-done steak and cold salad. Is amazing how nice rabid-computer-users (& fishers) get when you feed’em up good. Let’s see if this message gets out. Truly I don’t know how I fixed it. Blond thang, I guess. Bob’s Wife in El Paso, repainting blistered walls..
Filter ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
Since Mr. G quit posting I don’t have any thing on filter.
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Sorry Ernie, the time is incorrect.
– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher
Thanks for responding to this. I have been having trouble with my ISP and I don’t see the messages I send to ROFF, does any one know why I wouldn’t see the message when Herman did? Ernie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry Ernie, the time is incorrect. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher
Hi John this test Keith
Hi John this test Keith
Did you pass…lol –Randy
Why aren’t my post getting there?
Why aren’t my post getting there?
Where?
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try hitting the send button. it’s the big button on your cpu. waldo the helpful
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » My First Trout
Morgan Brown < Congratulations, and welcome to flyfishing. The way you so vividly described your experience lends to my belief that your heart in is the right place for it. And secondly that you minor in literature or writing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only been fishing for a couple months now, but the whole flyfishing experience has been a rebirth for my interest in fishing and of the outdoors. Living in Golden, CO this summer, I’ve found the South Platte River near Fairplay to be an excellent fishing environment – close, uncrowded, full of trout, and beautiful. I fished the South Fork of the S. Platte near Hartsel one Sunday afternoon, still struggling to master the intricacies of actually fishing on the river, more concerned with my ability to snag and lose flies than to catch fish. The sun edged toward the horizon, giving the remnants of afternoon thunderstorms a warm and heavenly golden-orange hue, and silhouetting the 14,000-foot peaks to the west. Wading upstream in the gurgling, tepid flow of the stream, I casted to each alluring, grassy cut bank, struggling to keep my elk-hair caddis fly floating freely, scarcely believing that I could convince a brown trout that my offering was edible! I gently placed my fly between an undercut grassy bank and a large boulder, when in a rush of fury, a decent-sized fish head roiled the water in the vicinity of my fly. Madly, I stripped line toward me, trying to hook the fish. Thankfully, he stayed on, and fought like a champion, rushing upstream, then downstream, around in circles, vigorously trying to throw my fly. Finally I subdued the fish, gently cradling a beautiful 12" brown trout in my hands. After I unhooked the exhausted fish and revived him in the steady current, I sat down on the cool, grassy bank, feeling the pleasant life-blood current of the stream course past my legs, and watched the slowly setting sun signal the end of day in God’s country. I had experienced something that embodied true peace. I stood in the stream, feeling nature rushing past my ankles. I stalked the trout as I would a brother, fighting and beating him with all my heart, then released him as an equal, so we might fight again. As visions of the madly-whirling world to which I would be forced to return flashed before my eyes, I wondered to myself: "How many of those people have caught a trout on a fly rod?" Not many. Not many. — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone: (303) 215-9190 URL: http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro
Just plain wonderfull. –tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Morgan Brown < Congratulations, and welcome to flyfishing. The way you so vividly described your experience lends to my belief that your heart in is the right place for it. And secondly that you minor in literature or writing. I’ve only been fishing for a couple months now, but the whole flyfishing experience has been a rebirth for my interest in fishing and of the outdoors. Living in Golden, CO this summer, I’ve found the South Platte River near Fairplay to be an excellent fishing environment – close, uncrowded, full of trout, and beautiful. I fished the South Fork of the S. Platte near Hartsel one Sunday afternoon, still struggling to master the intricacies of actually fishing on the river, more concerned with my ability to snag and lose flies than to catch fish. The sun edged toward the horizon, giving the remnants of afternoon thunderstorms a warm and heavenly golden-orange hue, and silhouetting the 14,000-foot peaks to the west. Wading upstream in the gurgling, tepid flow of the stream, I casted to each alluring, grassy cut bank, struggling to keep my elk-hair caddis fly floating freely, scarcely believing that I could convince a brown trout that my offering was edible! I gently placed my fly between an undercut grassy bank and a large boulder, when in a rush of fury, a decent-sized fish head roiled the water in the vicinity of my fly. Madly, I stripped line toward me, trying to hook the fish. Thankfully, he stayed on, and fought like a champion, rushing upstream, then downstream, around in circles, vigorously trying to throw my fly. Finally I subdued the fish, gently cradling a beautiful 12" brown trout in my hands. After I unhooked the exhausted fish and revived him in the steady current, I sat down on the cool, grassy bank, feeling the pleasant life-blood current of the stream course past my legs, and watched the slowly setting sun signal the end of day in God’s country. I had experienced something that embodied true peace. I stood in the stream, feeling nature rushing past my ankles. I stalked the trout as I would a brother, fighting and beating him with all my heart, then released him as an equal, so we might fight again. As visions of the madly-whirling world to which I would be forced to return flashed before my eyes, I wondered to myself: "How many of those people have caught a trout on a fly rod?" Not many. Not many. — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone: (303) 215-9190 URL: http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Help-fishing Naples,Fla.area
I will be in the Fort Meyers and Naples area in June. Any suggestions as to guides that have experience and interest in fly fishing. Also any areas that I could try without a guide and suggested flies. Thanks-Alex
Doug Swisher and Capt Bob Marvin run a saltwater flyfishing school and also guide out of Naples. I’ve fished with both and they are super to spend a day on the water with. Doug goes back to trout in the summer months, but Capt Bob fishes there all year. call Naples information for Doug Swisher or bob Marvin. you’ll have a ball. Reed