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8< Just wondering what other people do to search out fish. Peter

petah, i like swingin wets myself….. jeff miller uses cherry bombs. <g –walt

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Just wondering what other people do to search out fish.

Soft hackles, upstream quartering at varying depths, works for me in late spring and summer.  In Winter, weighted woolly buggers dragged along the bottom usually produce. In late Summer and Autumn, a large bushy dry fly occasionally skittered over the surface is often very productive. TL MC

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<< the penny dropped that swinging a caddis emerger may be a good searching method when everything else is coming up snake eyes.   << Just wondering what other people do to search out fish. Peter Soft hackles, in a size to match what ought to be hatching, or most common in the stream, if I have a clue what that might be.  Ants in Summer.  Grasshoppers in Summer near meadows.  Murray’s Helgrammite below riffles, just  because it produces a big strike once in a long while.  Ditto a crayfish imitation rolled through rocky areas. The best technique I know is to stay out of the water and watch very carefully.  If fish are feeding, eventually you’ll see some clues.  A brown flash of a side as a fish tears up the bottom; a bulge rise to something drowned near the surface; a white mouth flash in mid-water.   Good luck.  The search is the best part. Glenn GKT

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Soft hackles, in a size to match what ought to be hatching, or most common in the stream, if I have a clue what that might be.  Ants in Summer.  Grasshoppers in Summer near meadows.  Murray’s Helgrammite below riffles, just  because it produces a big strike once in a long while.  Ditto a crayfish imitation rolled through rocky areas.

It’s interesting that I started with soft hackles and they always worked well but the last few years, they’ve produced less for me. Back then, I didn’t have a clue what I was doing and I caught fish on them. Now I know what I am supposed to do and I don’t get much.  There’s a lesson in there somewhere. The best technique I know is to stay out of the water and watch very carefully. If fish are feeding, eventually you’ll see some clues.  A brown flash of a side as a fish tears up the bottom; a bulge rise to something drowned near the surface; a white mouth flash in mid-water.  

About the brown flash – on the Grand, I was doing exactly what you suggest, surveying for any sign of feeding fish.  I saw a flash – then some more.  I nymphed the buggers for close to an hour before hooking an landing one – a sucker!! Good luck.  The search is the best part. Glenn GKT

Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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8< Just wondering what other people do to search out fish. Peter petah, i like swingin wets myself….. jeff miller uses cherry bombs. <g –walt

wally, though it often sounds and looks like a cherry bomb exploding, it’s actually just my "delicate" presentation of a stimulator with a nymph dropper. best searching pattern i know for nc mountain streams… as you know peter, we rarely see the fish we stalk in the streams down here (except on certain delayed harvest waters maybe), and we just toss the fly into the most likely holding areas with eternal optimism and steely anticipation. the range of flies that will entice a fish is also probably smaller down here as well.. jeff

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"So anti-pragmatic is he who searches for his own soul in the shadow of the far bank, where success is not in the creatures he predates upon but in the interludes with fellow stream dwellers, for an exalting dance upon the line and rod, or with reserve upon the palate." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"The ancients wrote of the three ages of man; I propose to write of the three ages of the fisherman.  When he wants to catch all the fish he can.  When strives to catch the largest fish.  When he studies to catch the most difficult fish he can find, requiring the greatest skill and most refined tackle, caring more for the sport than the fish." Edward R. Hewitt A Trout and Salmon Fisherman for Seventy-Five Years (1948) — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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"The ancients wrote of the three ages of man; I propose to write of the three ages of the fisherman.  When he wants to catch all the fish he can.  When strives to catch the largest fish.  When he studies to catch the most difficult fish he can find, requiring the greatest skill and most refined tackle, caring more for the sport than the fish." Edward R. Hewitt A Trout and Salmon Fisherman for Seventy-Five Years (1948)

Fly-fishing is the most fun you can have standing up.    - Arnold Gingrich, 1969 — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Fly-fishing is the most fun you can have standing up.    - Arnold Gingrich, 1969

"….knowing a river intimately is a very large part of the joy of fly fishing." Roderick L. Haig-Brown A River Never Sleeps (1946)

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"….knowing a river intimately is a very large part of the joy of fly fishing."

Deep down I’ve always known, fly fishing is to the rest of fishing what high seduction is to rape.    - Robert Traver – Trout Magic, 1974 — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw quoted: Deep down I’ve always known, fly fishing is to the rest of fishing what high seduction is to rape.    - Robert Traver – Trout Magic, 1974

What a bunch of snobbish hooey. — Ken Fortenberry

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What a bunch of snobbish hooey.

It’s just a quote. Take it up with Robert Traver. (Warning: He’s dead.) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 (Warning: He’s dead.)

hell, that ain’t never stopped forty in the past….. voelkerdammerung <g –waldo

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Deep down I’ve always known, fly fishing is to the rest of fishing what high seduction is to rape.

"You’re being a psuedointellectual horse’s ass again. This shit is supposed to be FUN." -Heard at a party, 1998. Spoken by a drunk, probably me. "Why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?"                               -Hank Junior

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 (Warning: He’s dead.) hell, that ain’t never stopped forty in the past….. voelkerdammerung <g –waldo

"To me heaven would be a big bull ring with me holding two barrera seats and a trout stream outside that no one else was allowed to fish in and two lovely houses in the town; one where I would have my wife and children and be monogamous and love them truly and well and the other where I would have my nine beautiful mistresses on nine different floors.    - Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961) (Note that he’s dead, too) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Deep down I’ve always known, fly fishing is to the rest of fishing what high seduction is to rape.    - Robert Traver – Trout Magic, 1974

"There is no substitute for fishing sense, and if a man doesn’t have it, verily, he may cast like and angel and still use his creel largely to transport sandwiches and beer." Robert Traver Trout Madness, 1960 — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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"You’re being a psuedointellectual horse’s ass again. This shit is supposed to be FUN." -Heard at a party, 1998. Spoken by a drunk, probably me.

"I waded to shore where I sat and considered the inconsistency of anglers in general and the dumbness of one in particular." Ray Bergman Trout, 1949 I think this one would have worked better Mike <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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"There is no substitute for fishing sense, and if a man doesn’t have it, verily, he may cast like and angel and still use his creel largely to transport sandwiches and beer."

which is a damn good reason to own a creel! –walt….. have creel, will travel.

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After coming back from the Porkies and the AuSable, I spent Friday morning on the Grand.  Conditions were low, cold water, gin clear, high sun and no hatches.  I’ve always found that streamers were not productive in these conditions. Nymphing isn’t the best as high sticking puts you too close to the fish, long line nymphing is lousy for strike detection and then there’s the problem of picking the right run.   On the AuSable, the fish were rising but fussy.  I resorted to swinging a caddis emerger to the risers and ended up doing quite well. I’m sitting here doing not much of anything and the penny dropped that swinging a caddis emerger may be a good searching method when everything else is coming up snake eyes. (On the AuSable, I was swinging to rising fish and not using it as a searching method.) Just wondering what other people do to search out fish. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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MY SON BELONGS TO A HIGH SCHOOL FLYFISHING CLUB AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FLYFISHING CHAMPIONSHIP RULES.  DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS CAN BE FOUND.

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MY SON BELONGS TO A HIGH SCHOOL FLYFISHING CLUB AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FLYFISHING CHAMPIONSHIP RULES.  DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS CAN BE FOUND.

If you join IGFA (they have a web site where you can do this) they’ll send you a copy of the latest World Records as part of the membership deal. This lists all the rules for various forms of tackle, including fly fishing.  I think you can join for around $30.  I also saw the IGFA World Records manual for sale for $12.95 from a catalog recently. Hope this helps.

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Get your information from    IGFA    300 Gulf Stream Way    Dania Beach, FL 33004    Phone: 954-922-4212    WEBSITE:  www.igfa.org This is the new site of the beautiful World Fishing  Center of the IGFA. The museum was open to the public on Dec. 19, 1998.  If you are able to visit the museum it will be a great experiance. There lots of hands on exhibits including those for tots through adults. There are demonstrations of fly tying,fly casting, cast netting, knot tying as well as thousands of books and videos in the library. Their gift shop carries hundreds of great items for gifts or personal use. In the main hall ,suspended from the ceiling are hanging mounts of all the world records of all species of the world ,from the smallest Bluegill to the Great White Shark. I am a volunteer at the center and  I must say how excited I am about it. There is something new to see every time I walk in.   I’ve rattled on enough.  Come see us.  Buck

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Hi John:  if you’re going to be in the Placencia area, we’d love to help you out.  Also, you might want to check our site for info about Belize fishing. Hope you have a great time while you’re here. Mary — Mary V. Toy                           Kevin Modera Guide Services Professional Guides for Tropical Anglers Placencia, Belize Voice and Fax:  (314) 776-3496 URL:  http://www.kevinmodera.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Where in Belize will the cruise be stopping? If it will be at Ambergris Caye (San Pedro), El Pescador, (26) 2975, and Rubie’s Hotel, (26) 2083, have guides available, but I haven’t fished there in a few years. Moon Travel Handbooks’ "Belize Handbook" by Chicki Mallan has some more info. Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Didn’t you hear?  Roatan is gone.  It was washed away by the hurricane. Ash Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

Our most popular tippet sizes are 3x through 6x. In leaders we sell lots of 7 1/2′, 4x and 5x and 9′, 4x, 5x and 6x.  This is what the fly fishers buy in Nor Cal. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

Standard rules: — divide hook size by 4 to get tippet thickness in Xs:  thus    #12 fits 3x, #16 fits 4x etc.  Most people nowadays fish    one grade finer. — Leader butt should be 2/3 thickness of line end, and not    too much stiffer. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

class, boy. — George Gehrke All Writings

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I am planning to be in Salt Lake City in mid September and to take a long weekend up on the Green.  Can anyone offer advise about fishing up there? JK

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I am planning to be in Salt Lake City in mid September and to take a long weekend up on the Green.  Can anyone offer advise about fishing up there? JK

down river for two or three days.  Sage country, and if the Lord blesses you, you will hook into at least one trout each day that should go between five and ten pounds . . . any and all species. If you want to go to the Green River Dam . . . well, that is like fishing in a gold fish bowl.  I may not have spelled Fontinell  correctly.  You can call Jack Denise’s Fly Shop up north.  Go there.  You’ll be glad you did.  It is intense, concentration fishing and if you’re good, you will come off that river with memories  you’ll never forget.  Spend the bucks and go. GINK

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I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results follow: I was fishing the Missouri under fairly high water conditions on July 3 and wading down a gravel spit below an island.  Without paying much attention, I had waded down far enough that I was up nearly to the tops of my waders.  No problem until I tried to turn back upstream, at which point I discovered that the gravel shifted under my feet each time I tried to take a step back up.  After about ten minutes of struggling for a foothold, I realized I simply wasn’t going to be able to wade back up the gravel spit.  To struggle further would have been a waste of energy, I would have to swim for it.  My neoprenes fit reasonably snuggly, but I was not wearing a belt, so it was inevitable I would take on some serious water.  I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim, and especially to kick productively, with my waders full of water.   All in all, I can’t recommend the experience.  Even though the Missouri below Holter is powerful, it is relatively smooth.  Had I been bounced around, it would have been harder.  Although I haven’t been swimming much lately, I am a fairly strong swimmer ( 2 miles a pop when I used to swim regularly).  Finally, I was fortunate that I didn’t fall in and have to react quickly; I had time to make a plan and steel myself. What I do recommend is: 1)  Don’t ever assume you can wade back via the same route. 2)  Do wear a belt. 3)  Go out and try it in a swimming pool before it happens by accident.     Some day, something like this may happen to you, too.  If you’ve tried     it at home, you’ll know your limitations, so you’ll know where not to     go.  You’ll know your capabilities, so you won’t panic.  Knowing one     without the other may not do you much good.  If you’re in over your     ability *or* if you panic, you may get more than just wet. Happy (and dry) fishing to all, Bill S. P.S.  Good nymphing, a little bit of dry fly action at dusk.

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I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim,

What did you do with your rod? — -Wayne Trzyna

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Bill, Thanks for a very clear analysis of "swimming with waders on". Your article has convinced me to start wearing a belt again while in neoprene waders. Me getting into neoprene waders is akin to packing a sausage but you’ve convinced me that water will get in there eventually. Many of us are not in the kind of shape we used to be and a long swim in waders could very well be our last. Thanks again, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results follow: I was fishing the Missouri under fairly high water conditions on July 3 and wading down a gravel spit below an island.  Without paying much attention, I had waded down far enough that I was up nearly to the tops of my waders.  No problem until I tried to turn back upstream, at which point I discovered that the gravel shifted under my feet each time I tried to take a step back up.  After about ten minutes of struggling for a foothold, I realized I simply wasn’t going to be able to wade back up the gravel spit.  To struggle further would have been a waste of energy, I would have to swim for it.  My neoprenes fit reasonably snuggly, but I was not wearing a belt, so it was inevitable I would take on some serious water.  I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim, and especially to kick productively, with my waders full of water. All in all, I can’t recommend the experience.  Even though the Missouri below Holter is powerful, it is relatively smooth.  Had I been bounced around, it would have been harder.  Although I haven’t been swimming much lately, I am a fairly strong swimmer ( 2 miles a pop when I used to swim regularly).  Finally, I was fortunate that I didn’t fall in and have to react quickly; I had time to make a plan and steel myself. What I do recommend is: 1)  Don’t ever assume you can wade back via the same route. 2)  Do wear a belt. 3)  Go out and try it in a swimming pool before it happens by accident.     Some day, something like this may happen to you, too.  If you’ve tried     it at home, you’ll know your limitations, so you’ll know where not to     go.  You’ll know your capabilities, so you won’t panic.  Knowing one     without the other may not do you much good.  If you’re in over your     ability *or* if you panic, you may get more than just wet. Happy (and dry) fishing to all, Bill S. P.S.  Good nymphing, a little bit of dry fly action at dusk.

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Thank you for this story.  You have totally cured the false sense of security I have long had in my neoprene waders floatability and watertightness.  I’ll be getting a belt. —                                                            -dnc- William A. Segraves wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results

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"In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future.  The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that  no longer exists."             Eric Hoffer (1902-83), U.S. philosopher.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : "In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. :  The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that :  no longer exists." : Eric Hoffer (1902-83), U.S. philosopher. So…am I supposed to learn to ffish without an indicator, or learn to fish with one? JonCook. PS: Ok, I couldn’t post without adding an IMO, which should just be     taken as that, no more. When I started, I used 1/2 foam square     and I think it really taught me how to manage a long leader in     the currents. Now, I don’t usually use an indicator, though in     poor afternoon light I’ll add 1/4 square. The BIG IMO, though,     is that using those big cork things to *float* a heavily     weighted nymph at a precise depth is ridiculous. Yeah, it     catches fish, but I can’t bring myself to do it…

Reminds me of a famous story — I think it has been attributed to George Bernard Shaw.  Anyway, the story goes that he approached a lady at a dinner party and asked if she’d go to bed with him for $2,000.  She thought a minute and said, "Well, Maybe."  Then he said, "how about for $20." She reacted violently saying, "What do you think I am, a common whore?"  His response, "we’ve already established what you are — now we’re merely haggling about price." I may have the story screwed up but I hope you get the drift. Incidentally, I often fish with indicators with no apologies.  I wonder sometimes if all the discussion about defining flyfishing is really that or the usual search for something — anything — to make one person feel superior to another.  I enjoy all forms of flyfishing about equally and fish with others who seem to get an equal kick out of fishing with lures and bait.  Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult. Regards, Dick Hubbard

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<snip Reminds me of a famous story — I think it has been attributed to George Bernard Shaw.  Anyway, the story goes that he approached a lady at a dinner party and asked if she’d go to bed with him for $2,000.  She thought a minute and said, "Well, Maybe."  Then he said, "how about for $20." She reacted violently saying, "What do you think I am, a common whore?"  His response, "we’ve already established what you are — now we’re merely haggling about price."

<snip I heard it was Winston Churchill. Charlie…

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Incidentally, I often fish with indicators with no apologies.  I wonder sometimes if all the discussion about defining flyfishing is really that or the usual search for something — anything — to make one person feel superior to another.  I enjoy all forms of flyfishing about equally and fish with others who seem to get an equal kick out of fishing with lures and bait.

I tend to agree with your statement Dick, as I’m on the wrong side of 60 now and have had enough "hobbies" to see this pattern of "I’m better than you" syndrome. Many years ago when I first got into civil aviation as a fledgling pilot the conventional gear (ie: tailwheel) fixed gear aircraft were dominant. Years later when retract gear, constant speed props were common, I noticed this attitude: "you’re not a real pilot unless you can fly a taildragger", or a variant, "you’re not a real pilot unless you fly retractable gear aircraft, etc. etc. One year I saw John Denver at an airshow wearing a T-shirt that said "if you ain’t a pilot, you ain’t shit!" In all other endeavors that require a certain amount of skill, it seems people tend toward taking an "attitude" of superiority if someone else does it differently. I have learned to live with that, and like the recent discussions on this NG, I just don’t let it bother me if someone else espouses a position that says I’m not a "real flyfisherman" just because we differ in how we go about it. I see those folks as trying to justify what THEY are doing, and it must feed their ego to look down on others that don’t do it their way. BTW, "real" flyfishermen fish for smallmouth bass!   Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult.

I know what you mean there too, damn, it’s hard to be humble when you’re as good as you and I! Regards, Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

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[snip] " just because we differ in how we go about it. I see those folks as trying to justify what THEY are doing, and it must feed their ego to look down on others that don’t do it their way. BTW, "real" flyfishermen fish for smallmouth bass!

your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult. I know what you mean there too, damn, it’s hard to be humble when you’re as good as you and I! Regards, Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

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your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike

Of the fish or of the flies?

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your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike Of the fish or of the flies?

The fish of course.  You eat the whole fly! Sheesh   Mike

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I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

Is the Big Horn more reknown for flyfishing than the Madison, Gallatin, Yellowstone? All these are very close to Bozeman.  There are also the spring creeks over at Livingston.  For specifics, I encourage you to call the Montana Troutfitters Orvis Shop- (406) 587-4707.  The guys in there are very nice, very helpful, and can give you specifics on smaller areas, hatches, guides if you want them, shuttles, etc.  Good luck!

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You’ll only be an hour and 45 minutes from Yellowstone. Call Blue Ribbon Flies in West Yellowstone for suggestions that may be a little closer to Bozeman.

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I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

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writes: I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

Try the Gallatin River.

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy.

Winston 7′6" 2 wt…Killer rod for small stream/small pond use, casts just beautifully…I caught a 20" rainbow on this last year and thought I was gonna die – the most fun I’ve had trout’n! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy. Thanks

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: I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt : rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions : about rods they particularly enjoy. : Thanks It’s a little off, but I just built a Sage 7′9" 3wt LL and it’s a real sweetheart.  Moderately slow action, deep flex.  It makes working with only 6 to 10 feet of line out a pleasure.  Much better on small creeks like the St. Vrain than my 9′ Sage RPL.  Have fun, I’m sure you’ll get LOTS of good suggestions.

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My favorite brookie rod is a 6 1/2 foot 3/4 wt., built on a Loomis IM-6 blank by a local rod builder (Dave Lewis – Performance Fly Rods). IMO exquisite rods don’t have to be hideously expensive or built from this year’s latest & trendiest graphite permutation. Short rods in general can be a real joy in the tight quarters of Appalachian brook trout streams.

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy.

I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the 9′ Loomis IMX rods that I also own and love. The GL3, a relatively low-tech composite, is delightful for small streams and gentle presentations, yet packs sufficient punch for 50 foot casts.

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 I am interested in a backpackingflyfishing trip to the Warner Mountains in north east California this summer.  I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has had a successful trip there who could suggest a route and lakesstreams to fish. Thanks in advance for your help Stu    

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy. I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the 9′ Loomis IMX rods that I also own and love. The GL3, a relatively low-tech composite, is delightful for small streams and gentle presentations, yet packs sufficient punch for 50 foot casts.

I would add: give consideration to used or bargain glass rods eg. Phillipson, or Scott in the 7 to 7 1/2 foot range in three to five weight. Especially with the softer lighter rods in close quarters, try using a line weight heavier than called for by the rod. With short casts under 30 feet as a rule, that combination works very well. I also think the Orvis 7 1/2 foot Brook Trout model is very good for our small, Eastern Mid-Atlantic jewels. Tight Lines, — Regards, Christian — PGP fingerprint:  BC 66 2A 6C 82 8E 1C 50    18 87 67 A0 DB 7B F2 84

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt   rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions   about rods they particularly enjoy.   I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the   9′ glass rods eg. Phillipson, or Scott in the 7 to 7 1/2 foot range in three to five weight. Especially with the softer lighter rods in close quarters, try using a line weight heavier than called for by the rod. With short casts under 30 feet as a rule, that combination works very well. I also think the Orvis 7 1/2 foot Brook Trout model is very good for our small, Eastemore but I

attach an ultralight spinning reel to the cork handle with electricians tape and use it for casting ultralight (1/64 -1/16 oz.) jigs and lures. I still like the action. — + – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - + | Disclaimer: Contents under pressure, do not | + – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - +

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o.k. here’s a cheapy but one that everyone always wants to borrow.  grf 1000 by courtland    comes in  6.5  ft.   and mine  7 ft.   3 / 4  wt.  a real sweetheart for about  $70.  very rugged with a smooth , sanded finish.  medium – slow  action  drops a # 20 midge right on the nose of a rainbow  or a # 10  damslefly nymph into the jaws of a largemouth and then hauls ‘em in. lexington, ma. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My favorite brookie rod is a 6 1/2 foot 3/4 wt., built on a Loomis IM-6 blank by a local rod builder (Dave Lewis – Performance Fly Rods). IMO exquisite rods don’t have to be hideously expensive or built from this year’s latest & trendiest graphite permutation. Short rods in general can be a real joy in the tight quarters of Appalachian brook trout streams.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s a hot one – As I was putting on my waders the other day, the guy parked next to me was putting on his vest and getting ready to head to the river.  I looked up and noticed he had EVERY gadget known to man on his vest.  His zingers looked like a general’s decorations.  Must have been at least 6 of them.  He even had his gooseneck mini-light (it was the middle of the afternoon).  I kinda rolled my eyes and went about my business.  An hour or so later I came upon him fishing upstream from where I was wading.  I just happened to look up to see him tie on a new fly, and damn if he didn’t take it up to his mouth and bite off the tag. Guess he forgot his nippers.  A sunny day,     a box of midges,        and a wandering stream…  Man, this MUST be heaven!  <    Steve Kulpa    <<

Hey !!! that was me !!!.  And no, I had everything, I just LUV the taste of tippet ! Hehehe just kidding I only have 5 zingers Tom

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Ah, an excellent organizational plan! I used to keep most of my flies, bugs, etc. in the car, but can’t afford a larger vehicle right now ;=). JL 8-Wt Editor

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So ugly flies is the answer to blues? I’ve been tying sand eels for the last two days, white and olive fishair with a few fibers of olive or blue sparkle and epoxy heads over stick-on eyes.  After Victorian mixed-wing salmon flies it’s a lark.  Going out tomorrow to Perkins Pier again with my new shooting head and see what that will do for me.  Have to figure out a whole new way of going at things, and this after fifty years of intuitive casting…it’s hell to writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I begin fishing in May, when the stripers show up. For that first month all I pack is one fly box containing size 1 Clousers and Surf Candies, two shooting heads – a floater and a sinker so I can fish through the tide, one spool of tippet material and pliers. In June, when the blues start showing up, I bring a spare reel and a tackle box (heathen!) where I keep poppers, wire shock tippets, and every fly I ever tied that was too ugly to show in public. If I’m going to sacrifice flies to blitzing blues they might as well be the ugly ones. I’ve never seen other flyfishers carrying a tackle box, but the things really work pretty well. Of course *my* tackle box is made of zebra wood and inlaid with mother of pearl…..

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When I briefly entertained the notion of buying an XXL vest to put over my existing one (needed somewhere to put that pair of Night Vision Binocs I was scrapin" up the money for…), I decided I might be a little out of control. Am now weaning myself off non-essentials, one for every trip, and will soon to be down to only 5 fly boxes… How Primitive!! Lon C. Diehl Michigan

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Re "too much junk": A few years ago, I decided to lose all the excess gadgetry in my vest. No more knot tying devices, bug capturing nets, stomach pumps, etc, etc, etc. I have only bought one gadget in the last couple years…Gus’ Montana Flot Pak. Its a hanger you clip to your vest that hold you fly flotant upside down on the front, where its easily accessible. It works great, and would have been especially useful when my vest was bulging with all that excess gear. I never seemed to put the floatant away in the same pocket twice, so whenever I needed it, I spent 5 minutes rummaging around trying to find it, cussing like a drunken sailor the whole time.  Seemed as though it was always in the last pocket.  Perhaps now that I have reduced my inventory to a bare minimum, I shouldn’t need it, but what the heck, the thing caught my eye and I couldn’t resist. I see Orvis and others have copied the concept, but I still think the Flot Pak is the best. Besides, the guy that invented it deserves credit, and business, for coming up with a nifty idea. Any moron can copy. Originality is rare and should be rewarded. Dale Owens

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Here’s a hot one – As I was putting on my waders the other day, the guy parked next to me was putting on his vest and getting ready to head to the river.  I looked up and noticed he had EVERY gadget known to man on his vest.  His zingers looked like a general’s decorations.  Must have been at least 6 of them.  He even had his gooseneck mini-light (it was the middle of the afternoon).  I kinda rolled my eyes and went about my business.  An hour or so later I came upon him fishing upstream from where I was wading.  I just happened to look up to see him tie on a new fly, and damn if he didn’t take it up to his mouth and bite off the tag. Guess he forgot his nippers.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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