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Steve, I have a set of Hodgman neoprene waders and wading boots and they work fine for me.  The only problem I have with them is that I sweat like a pig in them.  I cannot wear any clothes under them that I plan on wearing later as they get soaked.  I just returned from the Pit, McCloud and Burney creek and did not feel cold in the waders at all. Just my $.02, Dustin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Personally, I doubt if I could get more than 3 seasons out of a pair of waders no mater who made them. Having used all varieties, I am sold on breathables for all weather conditions until it is warm enough to wade wet. In winter (you know, snow and ice) I stay warmer in breathables…. Does anyone get more than 3 seasons?….. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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"asadi" < Personally, I doubt if I could get more than 3 seasons out of a pair of waders no mater who made them. Having used all varieties, I am sold on breathables for all weather conditions until it is warm enough to wade wet. In winter (you know, snow and ice) I stay warmer in breathables…. Does anyone get more than 3 seasons?….. john

I got a whole season out of a pair of breathables last year and they have three holes patched. They may get me through this coming one as well. I would presume I do a lot more hours on the water than most, wouldn’t know how to work out what that equates too, but it would be at least three seasons I’m guessing. Clark

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I’m 2/3 thru year 4 on my Simms Guide boots and waders. Never applied a patch to the waders and the boots look pretty spiffy considering. My trick is that I hose down my gear every time I fish and then hang it up to dry. This may sound a little obsessive, but I do the same with my fly lines and rods/reels and they’re as nice as the day I bot them. Also, it pays to be careful when putting on your waders and boots not to track sand and gravel on your feet. These are hell on wader feet. IMHO. -bh Boulder, CO

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

I am hardly new to flyfishing but use similiar waders myself. Also have cheaper model Hodgman boots. After using rubber/canvas and then neoprene waders this style seemed quite nice and light. I think its a good deal. Breathable waders are probably more comfortable but from all the complaints I’ve seen here concerning the cheaper ones it seems that you are looking at at least 200 bucks to get a good pair. A little steep for my taste, but of course I AM cheap (admitting you have a problem etc. etc. etc.). Geo.C.

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I have a pair of hodgeman breathables, I can’t recall what model off the top of my head but I paid about 150 for them three years ago. I do allot of walking through brush to get to water and keep them in my car trunk all summer long on 90+ degree days witch can’t really be good for them, but they have yet to spring a leak and are very comfortable. I also bought there cheaper canvas felt sole wading boots. It ran me 200 total but for the abuse I put them through I think it was a good investment. I had some cheap rubber waders that were beyond uncomfortable and sprung a leak after a few trips crawling through the bushes on the edge of a stream(gota be stealthy some times, people give me silly looks when they see me crawling around in waders with a fly rod). So in the long run I think it’s worth spending on one good set then buying 4 or 5 bad ones through the years. Well that’s my 2 cents, well more like 5 Tim Apple

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

I found the nylon non-breathable Wadelites. Personally, I think these would be rather warm and uncomfortable. But then I’m "big-boned" <g and perspire a lot anyway. — TL, Tim

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I purchased a pair of the bantam weight hippers and a pair of the bantam weight chest waders from their outlet store and used the hip waders this summer.     I now know why breatheables are so popular but other than perspiring quite a bit, the waders worked great.   held up pretty good during a week-long trip, no leaks, etc.    I don’t know about the boots, had a pair of 11 yo hodgman boots that worked ok. so, I thought for $50, i got a pretty good deal on the waders, i don’t get to fish much, but now have all waters covered… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

It depends on how much you fish, and what type of fishing you do. If you’re going to be doing some small mountain creeks or upper lakes, then these are probably NG. I have a pair of Cabelas non-breathable cheap waders which are fine (with or without underlying insulation…depending on season) for late fall/winter/early spring (late spring for the ocean) fishing around here.  Once the weather warms up, I don’t use full waders, I either use hip boots, or wet-wade, with a couple of exceptions. When I’ve gone up to some of the bigger water (Ausable, West Branch of the Delaware) I could really have used the breathables. So, the answer is "it depends". — Rob

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

The Wadelite models are all breathable, according to their website. I’ve got a pair of the felt-sole Caster boots, and they’re decent for a starter set, although the felt is two-piece with the shank uncovered. This can sometimes cause stumbling problems if you’re not careful because the heel catches on rocks. — TL, Tim

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

Don’t know anything about the boots, but I bought the same waders for a quite a bit more money four years ago and they haven’t let me down yet. Sounds like a good deal to me. Wolfgang

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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot.

and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :)

and you didn’t push – you’re all slipping. I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks!

So they ran outta names – not an erudite lot, eh? Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year.

Can we give it back after? (hate to be stuck with a noow yawk) I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said.

He’s had too many lessons, that’s the problem. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon.

any blood splats? For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand.

sorry, no gerbil here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived.

from what I heard, a lot got shot as well However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :(

wazzat you? I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

Louie has a real dumbfuck picture of you.  better pay him off real quick. Cheers Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

Delighted to be of service!  It DOES sort of highlight the difficulties inherent in this medium though, don’t it?       Wolfgang o.k., so, would someone please explai……ah shit, never mind.    

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Great report, Wolfie. I look forward to my first opportunity to attend a clave. -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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I can’t go anymore.  I just got this new job and couldn’t get time off and will have family in town.  Why can’t I find a job that just lets me fish? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 26 days to go.  I’m getting a bit anxious. I offered a while back to provide transportation if there was anyone interested in meeting up in Seattle, or between Seattle and Devils Lake.  I’m still interested in that, but I’m also considering going on to Chicago for my 30th college reunion after the clave.  It’s another 800 miles or so, and I’m only about half interested.  If I’m giving someone a ride, I’ll be able to blow off the reunion. Warren had expressed some interest in a ride, as had someone else in Washington or Oregon, I can’t remember for sure, but maybe it was Padishar Creel (Chris)?  I’m expecting to go for the whole week, leaving Seattle Friday, May 17 plus or minus a day, and returning Sunday May 26 plus or minus a couple days. I’ve got room for two people and gear.  I’m planning on bringing my Dave Scaden Escalade and possibly my canoe. Anyone interested? Chas P.S.  Kevin, are you going to post those fly pictures I sent on the website? Fix underscore in address to reply

– Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Well, Warren, you’re a step ahead of most folks, not only do you know what your problem is, you know the solution.  All that’s left is findind a way to implement it. We’ll miss you in ND.  Any interest in a day or two of fishing in Montana on either end of the clave? Chas I can’t go anymore.  I just got this new job and couldn’t get time off and will have family in town.  Why can’t I find a job that just lets me fish? — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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We’ll miss you in ND.  Any interest in a day or two of fishing in Montana on either end of the clave?

I can probably swing something on either end of the clave, but the 17th or 18th would work better for me.  Drop me an email and we can figure something out. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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26 days to go.  I’m getting a bit anxious. I offered a while back to provide transportation if there was anyone interested in meeting up in Seattle, or between Seattle and Devils Lake.  I’m still interested in that, but I’m also considering going on to Chicago for my 30th college reunion after the clave.  It’s another 800 miles or so, and I’m only about half interested.  If I’m giving someone a ride, I’ll be able to blow off the reunion. Warren had expressed some interest in a ride, as had someone else in Washington or Oregon, I can’t remember for sure, but maybe it was Padishar Creel (Chris)?  I’m expecting to go for the whole week, leaving Seattle Friday, May 17 plus or minus a day, and returning Sunday May 26 plus or minus a couple days. I’ve got room for two people and gear.  I’m planning on bringing my Dave Scaden Escalade and possibly my canoe. Anyone interested? Chas P.S.  Kevin, are you going to post those fly pictures I sent on the website? Fix underscore in address to reply

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OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… What if you are fishing in a Gold Medal, C & R only trout stream and you catch a trout, bring it in, and it dies on you right in your hands? The author debates throwing it into the bushes or just letting it float down the river, but since it’s Gold Medal Water there is usually a crowd or wardens around and he’d get busted. He suggested making believe he was "reviving" the fish and digging a hole in the mud and putting some rocks on top of it.  He also made an observation that there seems to be a lot more rockpiles on Catch & Release waters than there used to be. I didn’t get to see the next issue to find out what the readers responses were, but it makes you think…. Dan Dow here http://www.angelfire.com/mac/dandow/kingfisher/homepage is my homepage… PS—found in Fly Rod & Reel Nov/Dec 1997

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OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question…

Well, Dan the Man, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum here in the past, and I have no doubt that a Deja search of past ROFF posts for "C&R" will more than answer your question. My short opinion?   If the law says C&R, you’d better R.   There are, of course, more layers to be discussed, like why didn’t you bring it in fast enough to revive it?   Is it a foolish waste of a good fish to not eat it?   Blah, blah, blah, etc.   We been there, we done that. HTH, Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… What if you are fishing in a Gold Medal, C & R only trout stream and you catch a trout, bring it in, and it dies on you right in your hands? The author debates throwing it into the bushes or just letting it float down the river, but since it’s Gold Medal Water there is usually a crowd or wardens around and he’d get busted. He suggested making believe he was "reviving" the fish and digging a hole in the mud and putting some rocks on top of it.  He also made an observation that there seems to be a lot more rockpiles on Catch & Release waters than there used to be. I didn’t get to see the next issue to find out what the readers responses were, but it makes you think…. Dan Dow here http://www.angelfire.com/mac/dandow/kingfisher/homepage is my homepage… PS—found in Fly Rod & Reel Nov/Dec 1997

_____  Japanese always carry a razor sharp knife.  The rock piles are empty bottles of Soy Sauce. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… Well, Dan the Man, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum here in the past, and I have no doubt that a Deja search of past ROFF posts for "C&R" will more than answer your question. My short opinion?   If the law says C&R, you’d better R.   There are, of course, more layers to be discussed, like why didn’t you bring it in fast enough to revive it?   Is it a foolish waste of a good fish to not eat it?   Blah, blah, blah, etc.   We been there, we done that. HTH, Joe F.

OTOH, you could ask the question in the political thread which candidate should be C&R’d and which one should be C&K’d.  That way all the bullshit could be contained in one thread.  Neat, eh? Peter = always striving to be helpful

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I cannot find a serial number on this engine but need to know what the proper float setting is. It is a two cylinder engine with single carb. The carb has the plunger type choke set-up, maybe this will help identify it. Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Fishing East Central Florida and Flyfishing Pages

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I cannot find a serial number on this engine but need to know what the proper float setting is. It is a two cylinder engine with single carb. The carb has the plunger type choke set-up, maybe this will help identify it. Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Without seeing the carb design, my vague, general answer for float settings would be: Float height – Hold carb upside down and make the float parallel with the bowl mounting surface.   Float drop – Low… but not touching the bottom of the bowl.   If it’s some other odd-ball design, or if you are unsure of how to do it, a service manual would come in very handy.   Also remember, that if you do something wrong that causes a lean condition, a rebuilt powerhead costs a lot more than having a shop check the carb out. Mike Seiler

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A summarized quote from an article in Audubon: "The federal government is proposing that Maine’s Atlantic salmon be protected under the Endangered Species Act. In 1999 less than 100 spawning females returned to the eight rivers targeted in the proposal and those were the Country’s best remaining runs of wild Atlantic salmon. Maine’s governor Angus King and a congressional delegation from Maine take issue with the claim that Maine salmon are a distinct subspecies. They feel that an ESA listing would harm the blueberry and salmon aquaculture industries." Even if the salmon don’t ultimately get ESA protection, maybe just the "threat" of it will improve the situation. In Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming, just the consideration of putting some of our native trout species under the ESA, prompted the states’ to step up their efforts in restoring these populations, seemingly to try and curtail the ESA designation. Willi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A summarized quote from an article in Audubon: "The federal government is proposing that Maine’s Atlantic salmon be protected under the Endangered Species Act. In 1999 less than 100 spawning females returned to the eight rivers targeted in the proposal and those were the Country’s best remaining runs of wild Atlantic salmon. Maine’s governor Angus King and a congressional delegation from Maine take issue with the claim that Maine salmon are a distinct subspecies. They feel that an ESA listing would harm the blueberry and salmon aquaculture industries." Even if the salmon don’t ultimately get ESA protection, maybe just the "threat" of it will improve the situation. In Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming, just the consideration of putting some of our native trout species under the ESA, prompted the states’ to step up their efforts in restoring these populations, seemingly to try and curtail the ESA designation.

hope this isn’t considered raining on the esa parade, but i have yet to see any meaningful reforms due to the esa in the northwest.  the powers that be, inclusing those within NMFS, seem to be fighting harder and harder every year to maintain the status quo, except for those sport fisheries… those must be closed first because they have the most impact (add heavy dose of sarcasm to last sentence <G) we’re starting to get some inklings that things may be changing, but hell, chinook on the snake river have been listed for an awful long time to just be finally doing something. if it’s true that only 100 female atlantics were in 8 rivers, i’m amazed that they aren’t covered under the esa.  looks like maine’s salmon are on cruise control towards extinction. chris

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I’ll conceived IMHO Here’s the facts I’m aware of. 1. Atlantic Salmon are not endangered as a species, Maine has no distinct species or subspecies of Salmon it’s just the run of the mill salmo salar 2. The runs have depleted over the past few years, despite the improvement to all the hydro projects to include downstream access – i.e.: no more cut bait from salmon returning to the sea. 3.  With the number of fish heading out due to stocking, and some limited natural reproduction,  it’s obvious to me the problem is NOT in the rivers of Maine but off the coast of Maine, this proposal will not get rid of the Russian and Japanese fishing fleets off our coast. (I do not claim this to be the entire problem, but when Canada quit netting salmon off their coast the runs improved). Overall fishing in the gulf of Maine is bad and getting worse. Giant factory ships under foreign flags sit there year round, I do not believe this has no impact. 4. Atlantic’s were placed on C&R 2 years ago to see if this helped, it takes 5 years for this to begin to show improvement or failure (for fish to return from the sea). 5. TU and Audubon who pushed for the C&R reg change have declared the program a failure, 3 years before any evidence pro or con can be produced 6. If ESA listing is approved on the rivers so designated agriculture and aquaculture will take a second seat. This could have an impact on Maine which has lagged the rest of the country in this age of economic growth. The Governor and the reps are just doing their jobs here. 7. The State of Maine has spent millions of dollars over the past 10+ years attempting to restore the salmon runs, it hasn’t worked. ESA listing doesn’t show much promise because the root cause of the depletion hasn’t been identified. Audubon needs to do some research before they attempt to impose a "solution". 8. The removal of the Edwards dam in Augusta may improve the virtually non-existent run in the Kennebec, despite the small numbers of fish in the Kennebec it’s not on Audubon’s list. The Kennebec once was home to the largest runs recorded in Maine and could be again given time to recover. These runs disappeared within years of Edwards construction. 9. ESA listing will more than likely cause these rivers to be closed to all angling regardless of the species targeted or so I’m told by the US F&W biologist locally. 10. Those numbers are not the same as what’s being touted here locally, I’ll see if I can find the website with the info. Also it’s TU and Audubon who are petitioning the Feds for the listing, it’s not a proposal from the Feds as far as I know (yet) We’d all love to have great runs of Atlantic’s, there is nothing finer than a 10lb salmon leaping out of the water on your fly, been there, done that. This proposal is premature and threatens the livelihood of some hardworking folks here in Maine. Audubon needs to back their claims with research, and they have yet to do that. Flyfish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A summarized quote from an article in Audubon: "The federal government is proposing that Maine’s Atlantic salmon be protected under the Endangered Species Act. In 1999 less than 100 spawning females returned to the eight rivers targeted in the proposal and those were the Country’s best remaining runs of wild Atlantic salmon. Maine’s governor Angus King and a congressional delegation from Maine take issue with the claim that Maine salmon are a distinct subspecies. They feel that an ESA listing would harm the blueberry and salmon aquaculture industries." Even if the salmon don’t ultimately get ESA protection, maybe just the "threat" of it will improve the situation. In Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming, just the consideration of putting some of our native trout species under the ESA, prompted the states’ to step up their efforts in restoring these populations, seemingly to try and curtail the ESA designation. Willi

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I haven’t followed it in the last couple of weeks, but have the impression that ESA enactment is a done deal. Governor King’s complaint is that it’s bit premature: the Feds gave their blessing to a 5 year plan put into place by the State, and 2 years later came back with the Big Hammer. It’s a rather complex situation with no single factor bearing the brunt of the blame, but there’s little argument that the regions that are going to get hit the hardest economically are the same ones that only recently saw their unemployment levels dip below 10% for the first time in 10 or 15 years. Despite opinions to the contrary, the salmon have lots of support, whereas the unemployed have only the government to turn to. Governor King and the State are suing to get access to the data on which the Feds based their decision. Odd that he should have to do that in the face of what is purported to be overwhelming evidence that the ESA needed enacting. The Penobscot had water temps in excess of 70 in the Bangor area last season due to regionwide drought, but it won’t matter this year, the anglers get to take a by, for at least this year and for as long as some steadily employed people from another part of the country deem it. The whole thing still smells a little fishy to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A summarized quote from an article in Audubon: "The federal government is proposing that Maine’s Atlantic salmon be protected under the Endangered Species Act. In 1999 less than 100 spawning females returned to the eight rivers targeted in the proposal and those were the Country’s best remaining runs of wild Atlantic salmon. Maine’s governor Angus King and a congressional delegation from Maine take issue with the claim that Maine salmon are a distinct subspecies. They feel that an ESA listing would harm the blueberry and salmon aquaculture industries." Even if the salmon don’t ultimately get ESA protection, maybe just the "threat" of it will improve the situation. In Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming, just the consideration of putting some of our native trout species under the ESA, prompted the states’ to step up their efforts in restoring these populations, seemingly to try and curtail the ESA designation. Willi

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6. If ESA listing is approved on the rivers so designated agriculture and aquaculture will take a second seat. This could have an impact on Maine which has lagged the rest of the country in this age of economic growth. The Governor and the reps are just doing their jobs here.

how much of an impact do you think the aquaculture industry is having on maine’s wild salmon?  are there large numbers of escapees?  aquaculture definetely puts me in a tough situation… on one hand the price of fish declines, which is good for wild fish (not economical to harvest them) but the commercial impact on fish remains to make the food the fish in pens eat.  plus the use of antibiotics and the possible spread of diseases from rearing in tight quarters are imo seriously bad things. seems you want no job losses from aquaculture, but don’t mind job losses among the commercial fishing fleet.  seems a strange position since both have negative effects, although one is obvious and the other will be forever argued by those pro-aquaculture folks. we’re facing much the same deal here in the northwest with probable job losses (never mind the loss of a $1 billion sportfishery from the loss of viable fisheries).  do you have any treaty tribes in maine, because as i read it, in the nw they will be the folks who have the final say due to the treaties superseding much of the state’s power. good luck finding a solution, i hope you can find one. chris

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6. If ESA listing is approved on the rivers so designated agriculture and aquaculture will take a second seat. This could have an impact on Maine which has lagged the rest of the country in this age of economic growth. The Governor and the reps are just doing their jobs here.

:how much of an impact do you think the aquaculture industry is having on maine’s wild salmon?  are there large numbers of escapees?  aquaculture definetely puts me in a tough situation… on one hand the price of fish declines, which is good for wild fish (not economical to harvest them) but the commercial impact on fish remains to make the food the fish in pens eat.  plus the use of antibiotics and the possible spread of diseases from rearing in tight quarters are imo seriously bad things.: The Maine and the New Brunswick salmon aquaculture industry are one in the same.  All of the salmon stocks in New Brunswick’s Bay of Fundy (with the exception of the Saint John River’s) are on the verge of extirpation.  The causitive link with aquaculture is suspected, because the stock declines commenced with the explosion of the industry in the early ’80’s.  The pathway(s) are not certain, but disease, genetic pollution and the concentration of predator theories cannot be dismissed.  The spread of the deadly Infectious Salmon Anemia (of European origin and imported in live fish to North America?) from cage escapees to wild salmon in one NB river has been demonstrated.  It has also been demonstrated that wild resident fish species, such as herring and harbour pollock are carriers of the disease. That said, a lot of the Down East salmon rivers of Maine are a long way from the aquaculture industry, and the pathway of its effect on them is hard to visualize.  The recovery of the eastern seaboard striped bass populations cannot be good for salmon, nor can exploding sea bird and seal populations.   At least one expert at Acadia University contends that it is foreign fishing fleets, which indiscriminatly fish for all species that are available, are the real culprits. JB :seems you want no job losses from aquaculture, but don’t mind job losses among the commercial fishing fleet.  seems a strange position since both have negative effects, although one is obvious and the other will be forever argued by those pro-aquaculture folks. we’re facing much the same deal here in the northwest with probable job losses (never mind the loss of a $1 billion sportfishery from the loss of viable fisheries).  do you have any treaty tribes in maine, because as i read it, in the nw they will be the folks who have the final say due to the treaties superseding much of the state’s power. good luck finding a solution, i hope you can find one. chris:

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything

There are two kinds of Maine salmon fishing, for Atlantic (sea-run) salmon and for resident (landlocked) salmon.  Chances of an Atlantic salmon are very small: they run mostly in June-July.  August is the relatively poorest month for landlocks, but a reasonable prospect, best in the most distant and lightly-fished streams e.g. headwaters of the Penobscot R.  Your problem then may be travel time. Another special problem is Maine’s "trophy" regulations which (I interpreted when last there, 1994) mean that on most famous rivers you are supposed to stop fishing after landing one landlocked salmon.   A special and different place is Grand Lake Stream in SE Maine (Washington County?), a short river between two big lakes, with a couple of hotels, campsites etc.  I have not been there for 15 years, but there used to be very good fly fishing in that river all summer long, for landlocks and trout as well as bass, besides canoe-borne lake fishing too.  This might be the best place to take a visitor from overseas — if the quality of the sport is anything like it used to be…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are ready to consider the province of Quebec (just north of the Maine border), I think you could easily find what you are looking for… As a starting point, I suggest you the pages "Hunting and Fishing in the province of Quebec (Canada)" http://www.ojori.com/outdoor/ehunt.htm Look particularly to the region of Gaspesia which is the closest "salmon fishing region" to Maine. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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<<My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before. Consider Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River.  Yes, they feed you (damn well too), and the cabins are primitive (rustic?).  The fishing for landlocks is good, although August would not be my choice.  This is fly fishing only, catch and release. Phone Sue and Stan Milton at 207-243-5959.  It is about a 3 hour drive from Boston. Dave LaCourse

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I second the recomendation of Lakewood Lodge on the Rapid River. You may find it to be a bit crowded though. The Rapid has been discovered.

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.   The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0) Dave LaCourse

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.

Ain’t that the truth! ;^) The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river

I second the motion. Stan and Sue run a wonderful camp in a gorgeous location. The only down-side is the cooking is just too good (no matter how hard I wade, or how far down the Carry Road I roam, I still manage to gain more than 5 pounds in a long weekend!) Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0)

Wonderful indeed. But everyone reading this is hereby sworn to secrecy! Tell no others about this river and it may have a prayer of remaining a lovely river to visit… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "BB" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy.

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy.

I enjoy Pallot’s show most of all the ESPN shows.  I do wish that he would spend more time on technique and tackle, without brand names unless they are critical to his recommendations.

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy. I enjoy Pallot’s show most of all the ESPN shows.  I do wish that he would

spend more time on technique and tackle, without brand names unless they are critical to his recommendations.         The same could be said about "Flyfishing the World".  The host spends way too much time waxing poetic and mooning over whatever celebrity he happens to have invited along for that weeks show.  (By the way, has anyone else out there found new respect for that chair tossing sumbitch Bobby Knight?) Consequently, the show spends far too little time detailing tackle and technique.           Mark Sosin is the best of the lot in this regard.         RF         Cedar Falls, Iowa      

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Perhaps not so bogus: Walker’s Cay Chronicle is actually shot on film, not video and when processed, film developer actually "burns" the photosensitive emulsion into the film. Imagine that.

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Perhaps your observation about Flip’s intro is valid, but I’d be interested to know if you were ever offered $1800 to guide a day of fishing.  I understand that’s his going rate.  If I got to fish and make that kind of money at the same time, I probably wouldn’t have reservations about being a little hokey myself.

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I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?

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who cares ?

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 who cares ?

One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

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writes:  who cares ? Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

Snags and bottom-feeders. — -Wayne Trzyna

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writes:  who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

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Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.

When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is: a self-serving, evil man. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Newt may not be the smoothest of  characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.  When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich  has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is:  a self-serving, evil man.  –  -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne, are you discribing Newt or Rush? It’s not the selling of Public Lands that concern me as much as a possible roll-back of the clean air act that will effect both Public and Private Fisheries. Misha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University Why don’t you girls take this CRAP to the proper forum…this isn’t the place for petty politics.

Moreover, it isn’t the place for sexist comments.  Have some respect, Donald. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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what was said

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Face it,  if we are going to "hog tie", Hillbilly Bill would only have stumps remaining for extremities!!  Mr. Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.    We may not all agree with the decisions being made concerning the environment but more can be done on a grass roots level to maintain our rivers than anything our now bankrupt Uncle Sam could or can ever do!

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Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

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 Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the  truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt  flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

Grenades into the Hatcheries is more like it.. A Pinko-Liberal Misha

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Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

I hope this time you forgot about catch and release. I expect that Gingrich was looking to dynamite some trout, before anyone could complain about his PAC donors dumping cyanide-laced mine tailings in the creek.  Anybody who can make Bob Dole appear a decent human being by comparison IS all bad. Catch and do the right thing,                                 Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

db, Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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the fisherman expressed his displeasure with Newt.  He stated that Newt is mean spirited.  He also stated that the water he was fishing in would be poluted soon if the the "clean water" standards proposed by Newt’s buddies is passed.  Sounds fair to me.      Newt was a gentleman.  His response " He obviously is not from new Hampshire.  I hope that he catches some fish."      He was a teacher from Vermont.

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: I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich : was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got : an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?    He was a Pinko-Liberal teacher from Vermont who’s afraid of the TRUTH.   Tallyho !   Alphs Kilo

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I think the puke was on the bank, not in the river…..

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

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I care.  Newt was instrumental in pushing HR961, the Dirty Water Bill through the house.  He needed an earfull and more……

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All this talk of newt makes me dis-in-Gingriched… Dan Foster

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

Did the guy get out of the river to say it, or is yelling over water better ?   Harry

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 who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

I believe this event happened up on the Androscoggin in Errol, between the Gauge House pool (below the Errol Dam) and the Rt 26 bridge (one of my favorite stretches to spend an afternoon going after ‘bows, browns, and landlockers). The honors went to a  flyfisher from Vermont (figures – it surely wouldn’t have been anyone from Cow Hampster – who’d likely not bother to stop fishing long enough to give a Newt the time of day ;^)… When I read this story I couldn’t help but smile… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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 Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain  pond a few weeks back!

You should have placed him on a hook. You may not have caught anything, but the satisfaction of putting Newt on a hook would have been worth it.;-) But then Newts are a protected species isn’t it? Tight Lines Misha

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Hi I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at Thanks for the help. Jamie Hart

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I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at

I need same type of info.  I e-mailed this type of request to TU national over a month ago and haven’t heard anything from them. Please post a reply to the Newsgroup. Tight Lines, Gerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at Thanks for the help. Jamie Hart  Get a life!!!!

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