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Is there any good coastal flyfishing in the Santa Barbara to Monterrey area in the autumn?  Maybe even at thanksgiving?   I’ve heard about good striper fishing in the Bay area, but I don’t know about farther south.   thanks, Plattelines

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Is there any good coastal flyfishing in the Santa Barbara to Monterrey area in the autumn?  Maybe even at thanksgiving?  

Dan Blanton’s board is a good source for ffing the salt in California. Try your question at http://www.danblanton.com/bulletin.html.

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

Oh palms thankyou for a great laugh. Jeanne

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

Helen me too. LOL Jeanne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio.

  Nonsense – they’re much classier in Ashtabula. Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy

You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. Marley

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.

BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.

BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap.

BTDT And I’m from NY.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. BTDT And I’m from NY.

Gasp!  Your last name’s not "Clinton", is it? P2P

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen.

Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy

Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area.  One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<snip I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked.

*They* must have invented THONGS!!!! LOL Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. You mean…Aunt Bea?  OH NOOOOOoooo…  I thought that was homemade jam…

I don’t remember any Aunt Bea’s but there were some whacked out locals. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) I actually did that once myself.  Just once.  I got into it without entirely understanding the situation, and I got tired of it really quickly.

I was working on a capital murder retrial.  We won but the real killer walked anyway.  He was supposedly the bastard son of one of the local chiefs of police and a snitch. when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked. Nancy

Oh, please . It’s very late here. I spent a few hours on a train  once with some Estonian women in sweaters adorned with gold lame tigers. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program.

Uh-Oh!! 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Double Uh-Oh!! Becky Young ….Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower, We will grieve not; rather find strength in what remains behind — William Wordsworth

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

snip 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement.

  This one struck me as really funny for some reason – ROR! Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.

I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality: 1. Bamboo Rods 2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

Did you actually _read_ the quote in your signature? <G R …does "Padishar Creel" mean "shit stirrer" in elf<G? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I have some pics (somewhere) from a hookmaker in Redditch England  and they use a number of very simple machines just dedicated to one task such as forming the eye and one for putting on the bend etc. Cane rods are difficult because cane is a very difficult material  to work with and a 4ft strip of cane takes ‘x’ amount of time to machine. There is a feed and speed relationship that cannot be bridged, everything takes time. You can develop machines making it possible to employ an operator for $10 per hour and break the craft down into managable steps (as did Henry Ford)  It does not matter how you cut it, cane can never be cheap. If George had any production experience he would not have mouthed off so much before ever building a rod. He really listened to the wrong people. But if he can knock out the blanks at a timely rate and find a market for them which I am sure there is then he can scrape by. Terry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality: 1. Bamboo Rods 2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot Did you actually _read_ the quote in your signature? <G …does "Padishar Creel" mean "shit stirrer" in elf<G?

—— Richard, your so right!  I thought stiring stuff about about fly fishing might be able to compete with all the political pot stiring.  I see I may have been right… —- Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality:  1. Bamboo Rods  2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

I know I said I’d lurk a while without chiming in much, but I can’t resist —- I WANNA BUY A BITCH!!! <BFG

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have some pics (somewhere) from a hookmaker in Redditch England  and they use a number of very simple machines just dedicated to one task such as forming the eye and one for putting on the bend etc. Cane rods are difficult because cane is a very difficult material  to work with and a 4ft strip of cane takes ‘x’ amount of time to machine. There is a feed and speed relationship that cannot be bridged, everything takes time. You can develop machines making it possible to employ an operator for $10 per hour and break the craft down into managable steps (as did Henry Ford)  It does not matter how you cut it, cane can never be cheap. If George had any production experience he would not have mouthed off so much before ever building a rod. He really listened to the wrong people. But if he can knock out the blanks at a timely rate and find a market for them which I am sure there is then he can scrape by. Terry What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality: 1. Bamboo Rods 2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

Scrape by?  I have a standing order for 1000 blanks.  Scrape by?  Surely you jest Ackland? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality:  1. Bamboo Rods  2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot I know I said I’d lurk a while without chiming in much, but I can’t resist —- I WANNA BUY A BITCH!!! <BFG

See?  There are so many spin off’s to my genius.  You’re all welcome.   — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot Did you actually _read_ the quote in your signature? <G …does "Padishar Creel" mean "shit stirrer" in elf<G? —— Richard, your so right!  I thought stiring stuff about about fly fishing might be able to compete with all the political pot stiring.  I see I may have been right…

Oh, what the hell… You mean you want to hear about the Duke of Erl’s plan to corner the hook market? And awa-a-a-y we go……<G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —– Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality: 1. Bamboo Rods 2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?…

You want quality – and quantity? Well, there’s a bankrupt faker living in a single-wide on the Snake River that is bound to respond to your question. However, you should understand that he knows nothing about either. Set mode = ignore for your own sanity.

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Scrape by would be the right term to use. Mr. Sage can wrap a $4 piece of Carbon fiber around a mandrel in 5 minutes and get more than you can get for your blanks. Sad but true, Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have some pics (somewhere) from a hookmaker in Redditch England  and they use a number of very simple machines just dedicated to one task such as forming the eye and one for putting on the bend etc. Cane rods are difficult because cane is a very difficult material  to work with and a 4ft strip of cane takes ‘x’ amount of time to machine. There is a feed and speed relationship that cannot be bridged, everything takes time. You can develop machines making it possible to employ an operator for $10 per hour and break the craft down into managable steps (as did Henry Ford)  It does not matter how you cut it, cane can never be cheap. If George had any production experience he would not have mouthed off so much before ever building a rod. He really listened to the wrong people. But if he can knock out the blanks at a timely rate and find a market for them which I am sure there is then he can scrape by. Terry What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality: 1. Bamboo Rods 2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot Scrape by?  I have a standing order for 1000 blanks.  Scrape by?  Surely you jest Ackland? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?

Let me put it to you this way… Let’s say you were able to sell 200 bamboo rods per year with a profit (after advertising, components, amortized equipment costs, salaries, etc) of $150 per rod. You’d make a whopping $30,000/year. You could do worse, of course, but there are *lots* of ways to make that much money with fewer startup costs and less risk. So let’s say that rather than trying to start a production line, you make them one-by-one instead. Quality over quantity. So, you buy a Morgan Hand Mill ($2500) and various other tools of the trade (another $1000–I know you could do it for less but if you were making professional quality rods you’d need professional quality tools). Then, you could–once you got a reputation–sell your rods for somewhere between $900 and $1500. Let’s say $1200, with a profit of $1000 per rod. So, let’s say it takes you 40 hours per rod. Assuming a 2000 hour year and unlimited demand, you could sell 50 rods and make an even more whopping $50,000/year. But the key here is unlimited demand. I’d be shocked if there are more than a couple of full-time custom builders making more than $30K/year. You can live off of $30K/year, of course. But you could make more money with less risk by taking a two-month computer training course. Plus you could get paid to read ROFF So why don’t you do this: build ten rods for the fun and experience of it. Since they won’t be perfect rods, give them away. You’ll have a great time, learn some of the tricks of the trade, and a few other folks will get to fish with the fruits of your labors. After you make ten rods, chances are that some of the pleasure will wear off and the reality that making rod-building a profession would be hard, tedious work will begin to set in. Sounds somehow familiar –Steve

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Why do I think that there are some folks who already get paid to read ROFF even without having taken a computer training course?  Or is that just cynical?  ;-) JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some very interesting stuff about bamboo start-up costs snipped. You can live off of $30K/year, of course. But you could make more money with less risk by taking a two-month computer training course. Plus you could get paid to read ROFF

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Why do I think that there are some folks who already get paid to read ROFF even without having taken a computer training course?  Or is that just cynical?

Ah, good point. You clearly understand the concept of (mis)using OPM <g. –Steve

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What would the investment in equipment be to make high quality:  1. Bamboo Rods  2. Hooks (including a chemical sharpener) I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take?  I think I will call my new rods…..wait for it…..BITCH yep, that’s it…<g I assume that hooks are made completely by machine.  Ummmm, I wonder how much a machine like that costs?… — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take? Let me put it to you this way… Let’s say you were able to sell 200 bamboo rods per year with a profit (after advertising, components, amortized equipment costs, salaries, etc) of $150 per rod. You’d make a whopping $30,000/year. You could do worse, of course, but there are *lots* of ways to make that much money with fewer startup costs and less risk. So let’s say that rather than trying to start a production line, you make them one-by-one instead. Quality over quantity.  

______  This is the hole in your thesis Steve.  "Quality over Quantity" It is now possible and it is now being done here to have both because a machine can do more accurately what a human can do with a plane, and do it a hundred times better. And cheaper.  This equates into being a Bastard, I guess. George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take? Let me put it to you this way… Let’s say you were able to sell 200 bamboo rods per year with a profit (after advertising, components, amortized equipment costs, salaries, etc) of $150 per rod. You’d make a whopping $30,000/year. You could do worse, of course, but there are *lots* of ways to make that much money with fewer startup costs and less risk. So let’s say that rather than trying to start a production line, you make them one-by-one instead. Quality over quantity. ______  This is the hole in your thesis Steve.  "Quality over Quantity" It is now possible and it is now being done here to have both because a machine can do more accurately what a human can do with a plane, and do it a hundred times better. And cheaper.  This equates into being a Bastard, I guess. George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

_______  By the way Steve, what are you paying for one Clum of Bamboo now and where are you buying it from? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen some equipment on the web and things like that, but if one wanted to go into production to make Bamboo rods of high quality and low cost, what do you think it would take? Let me put it to you this way… Let’s say you were able to sell 200 bamboo rods per year with a profit (after advertising, components, amortized equipment costs, salaries, etc) of $150 per rod. You’d make a whopping $30,000/year. You could do worse, of course, but there are *lots* of ways to make that much money with fewer startup costs and less risk. So let’s say that rather than trying to start a production line, you make them one-by-one instead. Quality over quantity. So, you buy a Morgan Hand Mill ($2500) and various other tools of the trade (another $1000–I know you could do it for less but if you were making professional quality rods you’d need professional quality tools). Then, you could–once you got a reputation–sell your rods for somewhere between $900 and $1500. Let’s say $1200, with a profit of $1000 per rod. So, let’s say it takes you 40 hours per rod. Assuming a 2000 hour year and unlimited demand, you could sell 50 rods and make an even more whopping $50,000/year. But the key here is unlimited demand. I’d be shocked if there are more than a couple of full-time custom builders making more than $30K/year. You can live off of $30K/year, of course. But you could make more money with less risk by taking a two-month computer training course. Plus you could get paid to read ROFF So why don’t you do this: build ten rods for the fun and experience of it. Since they won’t be perfect rods, give them away. You’ll have a great time, learn some of the tricks of the trade, and a few other folks will get to fish with the fruits of your labors. After you make ten rods, chances are that some of the pleasure will wear off and the reality that making rod-building a profession would be hard, tedious work will begin to set in. Sounds somehow familiar –Steve

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George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can!  Cane  if for when you discover that hertage and  presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history  and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that  the maker has spent some time on and not  his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment.  I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap.  Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.  

Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador.  Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’.   We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"

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<< I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts.  They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics.  Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you.  You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you.  However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off.  We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off."

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The only saga that continues – your irrationality.  There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone.  So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter

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Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area.  Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too.  You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany.  They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with.  What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough.   Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon.  Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving.  There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side.  The challenge still stands.   — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients.   http://www.gink.com/  Just talk fly fishing!

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry

Talk fly fishing Harry.  Talk fly fishing.  Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.

Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.

Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.

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Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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"A-Sad-Eye" wrote… Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America…

Did I read that right?? Norht Carolina = South America? That explains why I can’t understand anyone when I go through a drive-up window. <g John, it sounds like you’re in for a long month. –Steve

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"A-Sad-Eye" wrote… NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America… Did I read that right??

No. Try again and this time parse it like John already intends to retire near his wife’s home in South America. — Ken Fortenberry

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Thanks for the analysis re these hazards to graphite rods.  Makes sense.  However, most non-purist ffers are not going to stop fishing nymphs, which have to be weighted by some method, whether beadheads, lead wrap, or split shot. To the extent possible we have to avoid banging our rod tip when casting, by refining or modifying our casting technique. Casting with a more open loop works for me. PatK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hooks are bad enough on graphite tips but bead heads and lead weighted nymphs are worse.  As many of the modern gentry use space age gadgets to tie their flies with, they snap more and more graphite tips because the bead head flies smack at high velocity against the graphite rod tips nicking them.  Oh, they may not snap right away, or next week or the next day but they  will snap soon enough. Nicking graphite is exactly like scratching a pane of glass. Apply the pressure at just the right spot and the glass follows the scratch longitude.  The cross section loads on a tip that is only 3/32 more or less in diameter has Pound Per Inch loads on the cross section that can exceed 185,000 – 250,000 psi at any given time.  Put one imperfection into that circumference and you will have a fiber explosion that can sound like a small bolt of lightening when she pops!  Anyone that sends a graphite tip back to a manufacturer  that has snapped but who has fished Bead Heads with it, are not being fair to the companies that make them.  Frankly, I don’t think any Graphite Fly Rod Company today realizes this fact regarding why they are getting so many fly rods back with broken tips. Frankly, fly fishing to me means "All’s Fair With Fur or Feather," just as in upland hunting over a nice brace of Llewellyn Setters.  But it isn’t fair when fly fishermen are beating perfectly made fly rod tips with Brass, Metal or Lead Bead Heads other than normal hook hazards which is bad enough as it is, breaking them and then claiming foul. The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.  A little mix of the spinning world into fly fishing is the rogue these days and still claiming its fly fishing in the purist sense of the word. Well, it may be fly fishing but it isn’t pure to the traditions of old. It is compromises in order to take advantage using ingenious methods. The array of glittering materials have seen a huge explosion such as crystal hair, etc.  But Flashabou or Crystal Hair doesn’t smash against the rod tips like bird shot like items do, damaging the fly rods to certain ruin, sooner or later. I think it is only fair that we all consider being absolutely fair with fly rod companies turning out excellent products.  "Well, I slammed the car door on it and it broke," is the complaint and if the fly rod company doesn’t replace it for free . . . oh my! This is why I never use bead head flies and/or nymphs.  At least, not yet I haven’t.  It just doesn’t hold the magic for me as it does for others.  I guess it all depends upon which generation you learned to fly fish in. I have no regrets. Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Hooks are bad enough on graphite tips but bead heads and lead weighted nymphs are worse.  As many of the modern gentry use space age gadgets to tie their flies with, they snap more and more graphite tips because the bead head flies smack at high velocity against the graphite rod tips nicking them.  Oh, they may not snap right away, or next week or the next day but they  will snap soon enough. Nicking graphite is exactly like scratching a pane of glass.  Apply the pressure at just the right spot and the glass follows the scratch longitude.  The cross section loads on a tip that is only 3/32 more or less in diameter has Pound Per Inch loads on the cross section that can exceed 185,000 – 250,000 psi at any given time.  Put one imperfection into that circumference and you will have a fiber explosion that can sound like a small bolt of lightening when she pops!  Anyone that sends a graphite tip back to a manufacturer  that has snapped but who has fished Bead Heads with it, are not being fair to the companies that make them.  Frankly, I don’t think any Graphite Fly Rod Company today realizes this fact regarding why they are getting so many fly rods back with broken tips. Frankly, fly fishing to me means "All’s Fair With Fur or Feather," just as in upland hunting over a nice brace of Llewellyn Setters.  But it isn’t fair when fly fishermen are beating perfectly made fly rod tips with Brass, Metal or Lead Bead Heads other than normal hook hazards which is bad enough as it is, breaking them and then claiming foul. The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.  A little mix of the spinning world into fly fishing is the rogue these days and still claiming its fly fishing in the purist sense of the word. Well, it may be fly fishing but it isn’t pure to the traditions of old. It is compromises in order to take advantage using ingenious methods. The array of glittering materials have seen a huge explosion such as crystal hair, etc.  But Flashabou or Crystal Hair doesn’t smash against the rod tips like bird shot like items do, damaging the fly rods to certain ruin, sooner or later. I think it is only fair that we all consider being absolutely fair with fly rod companies turning out excellent products.  "Well, I slammed the car door on it and it broke," is the complaint and if the fly rod company doesn’t replace it for free . . . oh my!   This is why I never use bead head flies and/or nymphs.  At least, not yet I haven’t.  It just doesn’t hold the magic for me as it does for others.  I guess it all depends upon which generation you learned to fly fish in. I have no regrets. Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.

It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff

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The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff

______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads.   — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Man I’ve got so much to say…… Opie…you’re good and I’m sorry to hear about Mom.  Wish her the best. I know how you care for her and have you seen Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America. But I almost blew it because Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because… Wayne, even tho’ I hate brand name labels….Orvis does make some good shit and I’d buy one of everything if I could afford it, but I couldn’t and I didn’t and I really wish – Wofgang would have been there to drive me back to the hotel because I got really lost and at times found myself in the deepest darkest alleys but now I’m home and the wife left  to visit her folks for a month and although I have scoured this town , nowhere is to be found, Low Down Brown and I wish… Ken were here to recommend a substitute, because… Charlie, I’ve only my beer and I’m down to stems and seeds again, and I’m   – Daytripper just about every damn day until she gets back and although I want to head south I might not make it because the horror and agony of knowing that countless gazzillions of insects died because they couldn’t xink to the bottom ….. ……well…..never mind.  But if there is something to get a nymph…or wooly down to the bottom  in some of the places I fish…..bring a camera ’cause I will xuck your dick……. …a month she is going to be gone gentlemen.  A month. This could get ugly…… john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff ______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Man I’ve got so much to say…… Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because…

        well, john, i doubt i will be able to make the connection, but here’s a little help to put in your pocket when things get tough; just follow the bouncing ball:         then take me disappearin through the smoke rings of my mind,         down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,         the haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,         far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.         yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,         silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,             with all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,         let me forget about today until tomorrow.                 b. dylan  (but you knew that) your friend in the old north state wayno

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…I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

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I like that! — Opie  –Planning for the Past– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

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…I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?

purist because the term purist has not been defined except in the loosest sense.  I said, I was glad I learned to fly fish in my generation.  That in itself is definition enough.  I see you confirm that below.  Thank you for your thoughts and input.  There is a big difference between fly fishing and jig fishing with plastic worm these days.     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

– Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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If this is just the beginnings of *could get bad,* I fear the future! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man I’ve got so much to say…… Opie…you’re good and I’m sorry to hear about Mom.  Wish her the best. I know how you care for her and have you seen Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America. But I almost blew it because Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because… Wayne, even tho’ I hate brand name labels….Orvis does make some good shit and I’d buy one of everything if I could afford it, but I couldn’t and I didn’t and I really wish – Wofgang would have been there to drive me back to the hotel because I got really lost and at times found myself in the deepest darkest alleys but now I’m home and the wife left  to visit her folks for a month and although I have scoured this town , nowhere is to be found, Low Down Brown and I wish… Ken were here to recommend a substitute, because… Charlie, I’ve only my beer and I’m down to stems and seeds again, and I’m   – Daytripper just about every damn day until she gets back and although I want to head south I might not make it because the horror and agony of knowing that countless gazzillions of insects died because they couldn’t xink to the bottom ….. ……well…..never mind.  But if there is something to get a nymph…or wooly down to the bottom  in some of the places I fish…..bring a camera ’cause I will xuck your dick……. …a month she is going to be gone gentlemen.  A month. This could get ugly…… john The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff ______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Someone wrote, about Slough Creek: The fish’s condition, IMO, left much to be desired. They appeared healthy but their fights were normally poor considering their size. The fish were long, large headed and skinny. I was surprised to see large headed fish over 20". The only times I’ve seen large headed fish were in populations of fish that were stunted due to over population or lack of food. Every large headed fish I had seen in the past was small. Interesting.

Some Slough cutts will fight hard, others won’t. There’s been 3 consecutive years of dought, which might have something to do with their late season lethargy. Once, when still guiding, I took an old guy out–on the Yellowstone. He was in his mid-80’s and could hardly stand up. He was cheerful about it. He was some kind of an environmental big shot. He had known Starker and Aldo Leopold. Late in the evening, when we should have already taken out, I stood downstream of the old guy and propped him up while he tossed a large hopper into a riffle near Carbella bridge. He hooked a fish that made my jaw drop. I saw the dorsal fin break the water and thought it had to be at least ten pounds. When we finally got the fish to the net, it turned out to be a 22" cutthroat. It was the first time I had ever been dissapointed to see a fish that long. Judging from the dorsal fin and the tail, which we had seen several times before we got him in, I thought he must surely be 6" longer than that. This cutthroat looked like an expanded version of a Beartooth Plateau brook trout: fully 1/2 of it’s 22" length was head! That’s trout’s head almost a foot long! I could have put a clinched fist into his mouth. I don’t know how old he was, but he seemed to survive us. I got 2-3 quick pictures (with the customer’s daughter’s camera) and let him go. How old does a trout get? That one had to be somewhere near the upper limit. ….got a $200 tip for that fish, which was a record of sorts in itself, at least for me.

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He hooked a fish that made my jaw drop. I saw the dorsal fin break the water and thought it had to be at least ten pounds. When we finally got the fish to the net, it turned out to be a 22" cutthroat. It was the first time I had ever been dissapointed to see a fish that long. Judging from the dorsal fin and the tail, which we had seen several times before we got him in, I thought he must surely be 6" longer than that. This cutthroat looked like an expanded version of a Beartooth Plateau brook trout: fully 1/2 of it’s 22" length was head! That’s trout’s head almost a foot long!

The Cutts we caught in the Yellowstone were typical small headed fish and fat. The smaller Cutts we caught in other places were also typically proportioned. The Slough Creek fish were the only ones I remember with big heads. Willi

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The Slough Creek fish were the only ones I remember with big heads. Willi

I’ve been fishing Slough Creek for over 15 years and have never caught a cut that was abnormally proportioned.   I’m sorry to hear of your experience Willi. Must be bad luck Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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The Slough Creek fish were the only ones I remember with big heads. Willi I’ve been fishing Slough Creek for over 15 years and have never caught a cut that was abnormally proportioned. I’m sorry to hear of your experience Willi. Must be bad luck Joel Axelrad **DFD**

Maybe it was my perception, but I felt that the majority of the fish we caught were large headed. Willi

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Maybe it was my perception, but I felt that the majority of the fish we caught were large headed.

I am still wondering if the low water levels and above normal water temps haven’t done something to the food supply.  The fish in the 1st and 3rd meadows seemed normal to me. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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Maybe it was my perception, but I felt that the majority of the fish we caught were large headed. I am still wondering if the low water levels and above normal water temps haven’t done something to the food supply.  The fish in the 1st and 3rd meadows seemed normal to me.

I thought the fish is the second meadow were very sluggish fighters. They looked like normal cutthroat to me, but they came to hand with a deplorable lack of vigor. I don’t know whether this was due to the warm water, or the food supply, or the fact that this is one of the most heavily fished areas in the Park. Maybe it was a combination of all three factors, and maybe more. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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They looked like normal cutthroat to me, but they came to hand with a deplorable lack of vigor. I don’t know whether this was due to the warm water, or the food supply, or the fact that this is one of the most

Been out of state for a while and haven’t been able to post. My experience is that this type of sluggishness is due to the water temp. When it gets like that, I usually quite fishing. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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They looked like normal cutthroat to me, but they came to hand with a deplorable lack of vigor. I don’t know whether this was due to the warm water, or the food supply, or the fact that this is one of the most Been out of state for a while and haven’t been able to post. My experience is that this type of sluggishness is due to the water temp. When it gets like that, I usually quite fishing.

I’ve only ever run into large headed fish on Spring Creek, PA – something I attribute to over stocking.  What’s the story here? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They looked like normal cutthroat to me, but they came to hand with a deplorable lack of vigor. I don’t know whether this was due to the warm water, or the food supply, or the fact that this is one of the most Been out of state for a while and haven’t been able to post. My experience is that this type of sluggishness is due to the water temp. When it gets like that, I usually quite fishing. I’ve only ever run into large headed fish on Spring Creek, PA – something I attribute to over stocking.  What’s the story here?

I’m the one that commented on the large headed fish. Steve didn’t see them that way. (Maybe he has some pix?) I can see a skinny fish in my mind of about 20" that was almost one third head. I remember thinking that the only fish I’ve seen proportioned in this way were stunted fish. But since the picture is Willi

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I can see a skinny fish in my mind of about 20" that was almost one third head. I remember thinking that the only fish I’ve seen proportioned in this way were stunted fish. But since the picture is Willi

Here’s one from PA. http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/images/brown.jpg I’m judging by the size of the mouth.  This 11" brown would’ve been 16" to 18" on the Grand, given the same sized mouth. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Slough Creek big fish always were very sluggish to me.  I’ve caught them from mid July to end of August and the BIG ones always acted slow.  Another strange thing was that they would play dead after being released.  The fish would swim off and go to the bottom belly up.  When you went over to get it to help revive it, it would quickly swim away. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They looked like normal cutthroat to me, but they came to hand with a deplorable lack of vigor. I don’t know whether this was due to the warm water, or the food supply, or the fact that this is one of the most Been out of state for a while and haven’t been able to post. My experience is that this type of sluggishness is due to the water temp. When it gets like that, I usually quite fishing. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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Excellent reports Willi, and I like the format of dividing them up for each place you  fished.  I never knew that cutts were so different in their approach to the dry – very cool. bruce h

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The fish’s condition, IMO, left much to be desired. They appeared healthy but their fights were normally poor considering their size. The fish were long, large headed and skinny. I was surprised to see large headed fish over 20". The only times I’ve seen large headed fish were in populations of fish that were stunted due to over population or lack of food. Every large headed fish I had seen in the past was small. Interesting.

That is interesting.  It makes you wonder how that even came to be.  It takes quite a bit of food to grow a fish over 20".  Yet, they looked malnourished.  So they must have been very old fish, another thing that doesn’t usually happen without good conditions.

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We left too late for the walk into Slough Creek. Although the hike wasn’t steep, it was a pretty good hump into the second meadow where we fished and it was already hot when we started. Lots of sweat, the river was a welcome sight. The walk would have been much more pleasant in the cool of the morning. Slough Creek seems to me to be the most publicized water in Yellowstone and I was pleasantly surprised by the uncrowded conditions there.  We did run into a few people, but we pretty much had the river to ourselves. There were low, late summer water conditions. Being a meadow river, it was very placid with large oxbow pools punctuated by shallow runs with moderate current. The water was clear and sight fishing was possible for cruising or feeding fish, but the fish were also willing to rise a long distance from the bottom of the deep stretches to take a dry. The fishing was good, somewhat challenging and with lots of fish. The Cutts feeding behavior was very frustrating at first especially in the slow sections of deeper water. The fish would materialize out of the depth and slowly lift up below and behind the fly. Most would casually drift back with the current, hovering below the surface scrutinizing the fly. Some fish would then slowly sink back into the depth and others would SLOWLY inch toward the fly. Of the fish that moved to the fly, some would drift down at the last moment, some would nudge the fly, some would swat at the fly and others would take it with confidence in an agonizingly slow, deliberate manner. Many fish were sizable and their appearance out of the depths made them appear more so. The result was missed fish from false takes and from pulling the fly away before the fish took. The fish forced you to adopt their unhurried, deliberate approach. Their approach gave you a clear idea of what they though of your fly. For some flies they would just move a bit and retreat back, others they would scrutinize and reject, others they would slash at, bump, mouth or hit, and if you found the right one they would take it with slow assurance. A size 12 black deer hair beetle worked very well for me. We had a very good day of fishing with lots of fish even under the hot, bright sun. The fish’s condition, IMO, left much to be desired. They appeared healthy but their fights were normally poor considering their size. The fish were long, large headed and skinny. I was surprised to see large headed fish over 20". The only times I’ve seen large headed fish were in populations of fish that were stunted due to over population or lack of food. Every large headed fish I had seen in the past was small. Interesting.  We saw one truly large fish cruising in a backwater area. It was probably close to the length of Steve’s big fish from "Rattlesnake" but it would have weighed about a third as much. The area was very "western" to me with a nice mixture of bluffs, trees, meadow and huge skies. I enjoyed the day and plans had been made to go to the third meadow, but time seemed to while away and we didn’t make it back. Willi

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……. The Cutts feeding behavior was very frustrating at first especially in the slow sections of deeper water. The fish would materialize out of the depth and slowly lift up below and behind the fly. Most would casually drift back with the current, hovering below the surface scrutinizing the fly. Some fish would then slowly sink back into the depth and others would SLOWLY inch toward the fly…….

Very nice report, Willi.  Over the years, I’ve gone from a confirmed dry fly fisher to a confirmed nympher.  When I do use dries or emergers, splashy rises don’t excite me much anymore.  The slow, painfully deliberate, all-too-visible rise of a big fish from the deep that you describe, however, remains one of the greatest, and trickiest, thrills in fishing.  Amazing how much tension can mount in the space of just a few seconds.  I think the best is when it happens in close, with the fish facing directly toward you, and you can see straight down its gullet as it opens up to take the fly. JR

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When talking about Slough Creek, one thinks of meadows (lower meadow, first meadow, second meadow and, if you have horses, third meadow).

You don’t need horses to get to third meadow. It’s only eight miles from the parking lot to the confluence of Slough & Elk Tongue Creeks. It’s an easy hike over a well maintained trail of less than 2.5 hours. What is the terrain like upstreams, between meadows ? Can one access the river ? is it worth fishing ?

I’ve only fished between second and third. It’s steep, the scree can be very dangerous but if you’re careful and choose your entry & exit points with prudence it’s quite fishable. Expect cutts to average 17" with the occasional 22" or better. — Ken Fortenberry

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As a matter of fact I just got off the phone with a friend who was up there last weekend and did really well between the first and second meadows. He said he was fishing in the tree line and caught one 18" cutt after another. He talked to a Ranger who said not many people fish between the meadows. Neither knew why, certainly not from a lack of fish. The best they could speculate was bears. Make sure you remember bear spray.  Might never need it, certainly won’t if you are dead. Warren PS-He was knocking them dead on parachute Adams.

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Interesting, it took me about 45 minutes to get to the 1st meadow, I thought it took 2 1/2 hrs to get to the 2nd meadow. Thanks, -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When talking about Slough Creek, one thinks of meadows (lower meadow, first meadow, second meadow and, if you have horses, third meadow). You don’t need horses to get to third meadow. It’s only eight miles from the parking lot to the confluence of Slough & Elk Tongue Creeks. It’s an easy hike over a well maintained trail of less than 2.5 hours. What is the terrain like upstreams, between meadows ? Can one access the river ? is it worth fishing ? I’ve only fished between second and third. It’s steep, the scree can be very dangerous but if you’re careful and choose your entry & exit points with prudence it’s quite fishable. Expect cutts to average 17" with the occasional 22" or better. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hmm, how often do serious bear accidents occur in Yellowstone ? You do not really hear about that many people eaten or even mangled, inspite of the fact that tourists can be real idiots (last year, every time a wild animal was spotted, a horde of turists would swarm from the cars towards the animal. I thought I would see someone gutted to death by an elk, a moose or  a bison by the end of my visit, however, this did not happen). I agree, though, bears can be frightful sight when fishing ….. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a matter of fact I just got off the phone with a friend who was up there last weekend and did really well between the first and second meadows. He said he was fishing in the tree line and caught one 18" cutt after another. He talked to a Ranger who said not many people fish between the meadows. Neither knew why, certainly not from a lack of fish. The best they could speculate was bears. Make sure you remember bear spray.  Might never need it, certainly won’t if you are dead. Warren PS-He was knocking them dead on parachute Adams.

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Get a copy of Mark of the Grizzly.  Excellent book about bear attacks.  Quite a few stories about Yellowstone tourists being eaten, people being attacked in Gardiner, ect ect.  If I remember correctly there was even one about an attack in Slough. Obviously not something Yellowstone would like to publicize.  You would probably be suprised at the number of non fatal bear "incidents".  For $40 it isn’t too bad of an investment.  Think of it as living insurance.  Probably won’t ever need it, but better to be safe than sorry.  I am going to buy some soon.  Especially after getting a little close for comfort a few weeks ago on Mill Creek in the Paradise Valley. Warren

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There’s a pretty bearanoia story (involving Sough Creek) at http://www.montana-riverboats.com/flies/     …under the Roadkill link…. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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Hi folks, I have a question regarding Slough Creek in Yellowstone. When talking about Slough Creek, one thinks of meadows (lower meadow, first meadow, second meadow and, if you have horses, third meadow). How about between meadows ? Below the lower meadow, the river gets into a steep canyon which is somewhat unaccessible, and can be dangerous (or so books say, I have never tried it). What is the terrain like upstreams, between meadows ? Can one access the river ? is it worth fishing ? Thanks, -Vittorio

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I really like AMERICAN FLY TYING MANUAL, by Dave Hughes, l986 originally, pub. by Frank Amato Publications, (PH# 503-653-8108), outstanding color photos of nearly 300 patterns, with full description of materials used and some info on how to tie them.  I bought  my copy several years ago at GI Joes store in Portland, Oregon. Good Luck!

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http://www.kbrcomm.com/btwc/flytyingbooks.html It is a great resource. But does anybody know who stocks the binder version at a discount? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? I’ve been fly fishing a very short time and still have diffculty recognizing the different patterns.  So, when I go into a shop and see that pattern x is hot, I don’t know what it looks like, or if I already have some.

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<<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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We have 3 balloons off the back of the boat with live bait fishing for Kings.

Can anybody tell me what this means? I’m not being able to picture the balloon part. Nets? Actual balloons? Just curious–thanks. Mart

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We have 3 balloons off the back of the boat with live bait fishing for Kings. Can anybody tell me what this means? I’m not being able to picture the balloon part. Nets? Actual balloons? Just curious–thanks. Mart

Sure. He’s using partially inflated balloons as "corks" to float his live baits within a certain range of the top of the water. The balloons are easy to see and when a smoker takes the bait and runs, the balloon goes under. This is a common tactic for bass fishermen, too. They’ll attach a nice live shiner to a hook, tie a balloon a couple of feet above it and let the bass gobble the shiner and take the balloon under. Balloons also present one with a way to take advantage of wind or current. There’s also kite fishing. — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Ignorance or Apathy?  I don’t know and I don’t care.

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cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!world net.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.boats Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.208.219 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Classic example, I’m out on Pasco #1 off Tarpon Springs, Florida today.  We have 3 balloons off the back of the boat with live bait fishing for Kings. What pulls up behind us?  Yes a Trophy, your average dimwit, amateur within inches of our balloons.  After I had a couple of choice words with the captain (retard) we pulled off to a better area….with no Trophys around and managed to bag two keeper grouper.  So you see now why I JUST LOVE TROPHYS Rob

Rob, If he were driving a Hatteras or other mega, overpriced boat, would his move have been any more acceptable?  No, of course not. I had an Ocean Alexander skipper drift into my boat that was moored and unattended.  He hit it rail to rail and neither boat sustained much damage but do I hate Ocean Alexander boats because of it?  Not hardly. Focus your anger at the novice who didn’t know what he was doing, not at his fine, quality made, very reliable, structurly sound, efficient and absolutely beautiful boat!!! Bill Landsborough "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions." Proverbs 18:2

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Or even know how to put it on.

Excellent Nathan! Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach, Florida "Lie ? Me ? Never!  No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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By the way, there is a downside to using balloons. Many of them are discarded in the water and unfortunately some sea creatures that eat jellyfish (like turtles) snarf them down and can’t digest them. They die. This used to happen with condoms, I suppose, but no turtle with a brain would go near any of those disease-laden wrappers.

Or even know how to put it on.

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Thank you. I appreciate your willingness to supply me with helpful information despite my occasional indignation at your whimsical contrarian nature. I have observed this civil trait in you repeatedly and I respect it. I think balloons and kites are beyond me, though I do like to picture showing up at my normal fishing spots with such equipment, and fastening on a fly, worm, little minnow, or kernel of corn. Mart

By the way, there is a downside to using balloons. Many of them are discarded in the water and unfortunately some sea creatures that eat jellyfish (like turtles) snarf them down and can’t digest them. They die. This used to happen with condoms, I suppose, but no turtle with a brain would go near any of those disease-laden wrappers. — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Gee, I wonder what this key does.

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Thank you. I appreciate your willingness to supply me with helpful information despite my occasional indignation at your whimsical contrarian nature. I have observed this civil trait in you repeatedly and I respect it. I think balloons and kites are beyond me, though I do like to picture showing up at my normal fishing spots with such equipment, and fastening on a fly, worm, little minnow, or kernel of corn. Mart

Mart, Believe it or not, they even sell different sized kites to use depending on the wind conditions!  I don’t bother with kites, but I’ve been fishing with a guy who does and it works quite well. What Harry didn’t mention is you use the kite while drifting.  BTW, shore fishermen also use kites to get their bait out farther than they can cast… Depending on the direction the wind is blowing, of course.  :) Dennis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure. He’s using partially inflated balloons as "corks" to float his live baits within a certain range of the top of the water… Thanks. Same idea as the little still fishing plastic/cork/wood bobbers we sometimes use up here, only bigger and inflatable? Yes. But much more visible. It’s hard to see many corks or floats out in the ocean where the waves are. Also, by only partially inflating, a part of it slides under the water easier… There’s also kite fishing. I’ll bite on the kite: real up in the air kites? Or fishing for hawks? Mart You run out a fishing kite and then attach your fishing line with a live bait on the line. The kite keeps the bait at the surface, making those friendly struggling sounds, attracting fish. But the bait also has access to the water and can breathe. It works very well for surface feeders.

Thank you. I appreciate your willingness to supply me with helpful information despite my occasional indignation at your whimsical contrarian nature. I have observed this civil trait in you repeatedly and I respect it. I think balloons and kites are beyond me, though I do like to picture showing up at my normal fishing spots with such equipment, and fastening on a fly, worm, little minnow, or kernel of corn. Mart

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Sure. He’s using partially inflated balloons as "corks" to float his live baits within a certain range of the top of the water… Thanks. Same idea as the little still fishing plastic/cork/wood bobbers we sometimes use up here, only bigger and inflatable?

Yes. But much more visible. It’s hard to see many corks or floats out in the ocean where the waves are. Also, by only partially inflating, a part of it slides under the water easier… There’s also kite fishing. I’ll bite on the kite: real up in the air kites? Or fishing for hawks? Mart

You run out a fishing kite and then attach your fishing line with a live bait on the line. The kite keeps the bait at the surface, making those friendly struggling sounds, attracting fish. But the bait also has access to the water and can breathe. It works very well for surface feeders.

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Sure. He’s using partially inflated balloons as "corks" to float his live baits within a certain range of the top of the water…

Thanks. Same idea as the little still fishing plastic/cork/wood bobbers we sometimes use up here, only bigger and inflatable? There’s also kite fishing.

I’ll bite on the kite: real up in the air kites? Or fishing for hawks? Mart – - – - – - – - – - – - "One morning when the wind was from the west, Stuart put on his sailor suit and his sailor hat, took his spyglass down from the shelf, and set out for a walk, full of the joy of life and the fear of dogs."

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Classic example, I’m out on Pasco #1 off Tarpon Springs, Florida today.  We have 3 balloons off the back of the boat with live bait fishing for Kings. What pulls up behind us?  Yes a Trophy, your average dimwit, amateur within inches of our balloons.  After I had a couple of choice words with the captain (retard) we pulled off to a better area….with no Trophys around and managed to bag two keeper grouper.  So you see now why I JUST LOVE TROPHYS Rob

Maybe he wanted to transfer his flag to your boat in case his began to sink? — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Accordion: a bagpipe with pleats.

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Classic example, I’m out on Pasco #1 off Tarpon Springs, Florida today.  We have 3 balloons off the back of the boat with live bait fishing for Kings. What pulls up behind us?  Yes a Trophy, your average dimwit, amateur within inches of our balloons.  After I had a couple of choice words with the captain (retard) we pulled off to a better area….with no Trophys around and managed to bag two keeper grouper.  So you see now why I JUST LOVE TROPHYS Rob

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-Does anyone have any info on a new disease appearing in Irish frmed salmon called Nervous Mortality Syndrome? Has it spread to any wild stock? Wild Fish First Socety C Mckee

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Actually, its a hangover.

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I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November. I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge. I’d be interrested to see if anyone else has had luck finding guides who would be willing to take us out for a day.  How much do they charge and how do I find one. Any other info that you feel would help, please let me know. Thanks in advance, Dave Blizard — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November.

I’ve been to Belieze several times. I went there to experiment with bone fishing.  If you need information about bone fishing in Belieze drop me an e-mail.  

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I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge.

We stayed in San Pedro on Ambergris Caye, at the Holiday Hotel (it’s in any Belize travel book.  There are many good guides that will come right to the dock and pick you up.  The hotel proprietor will arange, but you can save a little money by doing it yourself.  Guides we used were Wilbur, Jose and Mario. Yes, believe it or not, the hotel proprietor will probably know who you are talking about by their first name.  email me if you need more info.

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I’ve not got our Belize fishing material up, and it may not be up by November. However, I can suggest a book called The New Key to Belize by Stacy Ritz as a general guide.  There’s a bit of fishing information.  But it’s a superior general guide from Ulysses Press, Box 3440, Berkeley, CA 94703-3440 and worth the $14. I was a field archeologist there in 1959 –British Honduras days — and the fishinw as fabulous.  It’s still quite good both out along the reef and back in the rivers.  I generally take ultralight gear and have a lot of fun with the smaller fish and, in particular the bonefish and snook. Tarpon and bonefish could be super although you might be a bit late for permit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November. I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge. I’d be interrested to see if anyone else has had luck finding guides who would be willing to take us out for a day.  How much do they charge and how do I find one. Any other info that you feel would help, please let me know. Thanks in advance, Dave Blizard — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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