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Have planned a week here during  early July 2002 and would love to know if there are any opportunities to do any flyfishing. Your wisdom and experience would be appreciated !! Thanks,

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Have planned a week here during  early July 2002 and would love to know if there are any opportunities to do any flyfishing. Your wisdom and experience would be appreciated !!

Thom, I visited St. Lucia in 1992. I had a great time, but never went flyfishing. If you are into scuba diving and/or snorkeling, you can’t beat the coral canyons  there! I wish I had more info for you. It’s a beautiful island nation. Be sure to take your camera and a polarizing filter. The waters off the island are truly tropical. Good luck! Danny McMillin — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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Email me just with dates. I have a commitment around the first.  But for me it’s drive up the river to the mouth of the Deschuets walk a couple of miles and fish.  There is a park and boat launch there. Send me a phone number where your staying and I’ll call.  We are going to Crater Lake one on those weekends.  BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be going to Portland,

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Theo: Portland may not be as beautiful as New Jersey, The Garden State (snicker, snicker), but you’ll like it fine. Actually, the above was sarcastic. Oregon is lovely, and in September it probably will either be hot (maybe even up to 100), or wonderful (60-70). You should be able to find steelhead in several local rivers or, if you have time to drive about 4 hrs, you can be on one of the world’s great steelhead streams, the Deschutes. Re-post or email me directly at the end of August to remind me — in the meantime I’ll check the migration status and let you know where the fish are. Your 7-8 wt rod will be perfect. Floating line (DT or WF) and fairly strong leaders. You’ll want to pick up some of the standard Northwest steelhead flies: Freight Train, Streetwalker and Skunks are the classics. Kaufmann’s Streamborne has them online, and I think Hill’s Discount Flies does too. You may want to email Kaufmann’s for advice, too. They’re expensive, but very helpful to travelling anglers. The standard approach for summer steelhead is very systematic: cast quartering downstream, let the line swing across the current until it’s straight downstream, strip in a couple of yards; take a big step downstream, pick up your line, and cast again. You end up covering the whole section of stream that way. The strikes usually come at the very end of the "swing" or during the first "strip." (The steelhead seem to follow the fly across the river, then pick it up when it stops.) There’s some basic info for you. Again, re-post your inquiry or email me when you get closer. You’ll have fun!! — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice).

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My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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If  its summer steelhead you want to fish for then check out the rivers around Tillamook, the Wilson, trask and not to forget the Nestucca, the Nestucca being my favorite river to fish for summer steelhead.  You might even be able to catch large fall chinook in the big Nehalem river.  There are plenty of places to fish around the area.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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The 2nd week of September should still be good weather.  The rains don’t usually start up until October. For steelhead, you might try the Sandy and Salmon rivers.  There’s a flyshop in Welches, OR (I forget the name but they are on the web) you should be able to give them a call or hire them as a guide. Best of luck,      - Ken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated.

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Indeed we have wonderful weather usually the first part of September…When suggesting visiting the Portland, OR area, I recommend last 2 weeks of August first 2 weeks of September.  A great place to check the local fishing is with Kaufmann’s Streamborne Fly Shop in Tigard, OR (south of Portland a tiny bit) and they are on the web at www.kman.com Padishar Creel – It is over 80 today and clear in the Portland Oregon area, so there!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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As much as I would like to say we are not so individual as we would like to think.. in this case, we really are. Yes, we’re all individuals! ~raises hand~ i’m not…. *grin* (not really.  just couldn’t let the MP reference go by uncommented.)

Thank you. I’m glad someone got it. R.

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I worship the moon Goddess Diana/Artimis

It is a popular misconception that Diana is the Goddess of the Moon.  In fact, she was the Goddess of the Sun.  The name Diana means "light".   – Chive "There be some whose lives are as if they perpetually played a part upon a stage, disguised to all others, open only to themselves."

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Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem
to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting
somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing
fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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Harry may still be some tuna spotting out of Port Lincoln.  Usta use aerocommanders (i think) and one Cessna push pull job (although I think thats gone).   Flights of considerable duration ranging to the far west and into WA. regards Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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I have seen Aero Commanders and C337’s at Ceduna SA and pretty sure some at Pt Lincoln during a fuel stop. A local flies from Triabunna (East coast Tas) with a C180 for Mackerel (I think) for the fish farms in Tas. I think he may have spotted for Tuna as well. Maybe he’ll let us know? — Bernie Samms Kingston Beach Tasmania Australia Aero Club of Southern Tasmania   www.acst.com.au Prologic Pty Ltd                           www.prologic.com.au

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harry may still be some tuna spotting out of Port Lincoln.  Usta use aerocommanders (i think) and one Cessna push pull job (although I think thats gone).   Flights of considerable duration ranging to the far west and into WA. regards Don Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

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Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                            John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

Certainly a bit different from the Swansea Valley – good luck with the sale. — Bill

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(poetic stuff snipped) I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it.

John – why are you selling, if I may ask.  Don’t tell me you’re moving up to North Carolina! Mark Faulkner

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In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

Absolutely agree with your assesment of sausage gravy and biscuits. Have to disagree about poking fun at southern cooking. It is almost impossible to avoid grits, no matter WHAT you order for breakfast, you get grits. Grits with eggs, oatmeal, french toast, if you ordered eggs sardou and oysters on the half shell they’d bring you a bowl of grits ! If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. — Ken Fortenberry

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(snipped) <<  While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Amen to that, Joe.  My favorite is red-eye gravy and gen-u-wine country ham.  Of course my doctor frowns on it, but what the hell. Dave LaCourse

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(snip) <<If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. True, but grits do not have to be uneatable.  Go to the mill in Helen, Georgia, and ask for some Georgia Ice Cream.  I will guarantee you will go back for seconds.  Yep — they’re grits.  And while you are there, stop by Unicoi Outfitters — very nice fly shop next door. Dave LaCourse

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many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

How about chicken fried steaks, fried okra, green beans cooked with ham, and red-eye (ham) gravy?  If I lived in the south instead of being an occasional visitor I would weigh about 400lb with a cholesterol level of about 600. Absolutely love southern cooking! George Adams

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.

    come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

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<<come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Wayno, you finally got one wrong.  Make that Sugar Corn Pops instead of oatmeal. Dave, loving his Georgia Ice Cream

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                             John Popp                                                in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

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 But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

        right on, john.  america the beautiful.  no cliche’. wayno

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

I’ve made a few cyberfriends on this N.G. I just hope they will still be around after the clave:-) — Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…       *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:       "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

Not forgetting "Taw Son" and "Twll dyn pob Yankee"….how about that Wayne? Just a couple of phrases for those occasions when the dialectual emphasis is incorrect! — Bill

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(snipped) <*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well. My post was meant to be satirical — your’s is down right insulting.   Dave LaCourse

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<*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well.

Despite being born, raised, and presently residing south of the Mason-Dixon line, my southern upbringing was woefully neglected in many respects.   Most relevent to this post, however, is the fact that I never once saw nor heard of sausage gravy until I was nigh on 23 years old.   Perhaps it was because my mother grew up on a poultry farm so fried chicken was far more often on the table than pig. Anyhow, I was driving a truck south to Georgia that year and stopped at a roadside diner (Stuckeys?) where I went for the breakfast buffet.   There among the "normal" foods was a whitish, somewhat gelatinous, unrecognizable glop whose purpose or enjoyment I couldn’t fathom.   I learned later that this was sausage gravy, commonly spooned over fresh biscuits.   Being a huge lover of sausage, gravy and biscuits in other forms, I endeavored to try this stuff at my next opportunity. In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Joe

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In response to our colorful speech a close pal of mine responds is  a wet minner schlick! If you don’t no what a minner is, they will turn into fish later! Tim(Smokyfly)Doyle

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If they jump your battery, they’ll also all be someone’s brother in law. Don’t ask me why, but it’s a nationwide phenomenon that you rarely get a jump from someone who isn’t someone else’s brother in law. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here.

Is the burden then on you to prove that he did in fact need it, or on the prosecutor to prove that the deceased was a fine man, a pillar of the community, kind to kids and dogs, etc? *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need  anything or not. You just have to go.

That’s what I like about the south. One little flake hits somewhere in Jaw-gia, and they have riots in Atlanta. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim.

HAH! Is that why you never shoot your deer past maybe 100 yards and maybe not even and you need dogs to chase them anyway? *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits.

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of:

instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

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*    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either.

Strange but true. An old college buddy from Illinois flew into Huntsville airport. Before we headed to Guntersville, which was dry, we went to the state store in Huntsville for supplies. He wanted to pay with a travelers check and asked the clerk if travelers checks were OK. She looked at him like he was speaking martian and asked him what did he say. Jim returned the same look. I had to translate. My wife insists I still retain a southern accent, I prefer to think I’m just a capable translater. — Ken Fortenberry

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I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

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On Sa        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

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What’s the difference between Y’all and Ya’ll? I heerd it in Lecester. which sounds like Lester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August.   What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more.   Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more. Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

It should be noted that water is being rapidly released from behind dams on the Missouri in anticipation of major run-off..so it may be having an some impact on the Missouri as a tailwater fishery….here in Missoula we are being asked to prepare for something on the level of between a 100 year and 500 year event once the snow begins to melt…

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Bitterroot is running over 1100 cfs today. Thats not bad but it ain’t great and it has been rising (from 800 cfs on saturday). The Clark Fork is already over 600 cfs and is pretty muddy. Missouri below Holter has been around 8000 cfs for awhile now in anticipation of the melt, which by the way has NOT started yet (in earnest). In fact, it is trying to spit snow outside right now! — Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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Great Idea, I would kill the co0kies though.  They are a nusiance and a lot of people like me do not accept them in any case Thanks Gerry

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Good start.  I’d bag the background though:-).  Submitted pattern but could not go back and do a search on the name (Dark Star).  Bookmark it.  Will come back and load up a bunch of South Platte Patterns later on. Keep it Going! — Chaz Clover Art Director, CompuNerd, Inc. http://www.databahn.net "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith

Excellant idea…will send you the patterns from our present and past publications of the SPAWNER a full colour magazine on atlantic salmon fishing in Newfoundland and Labrador. Should be enough to keep you even busier   Keith Piercey SPAWN (The Salmon Preservation Association for the Waters of Newfoundland) P.O. Box 924 Corner Brook, NF Canada  A2H 6J2

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Good start.  I’d bag the background though:-).  Submitted pattern but could not go back and do a search on the name (Dark Star).  Bookmark it.  Will come back and load up a bunch of South Platte Patterns later on. Keep it Going! — Chaz Clover Art Director, CompuNerd, Inc. http://www.databahn.net "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith

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Hello, Lately I have had a little free time on my hands, and I got this idea that it might be kind of cool if there was an online database where you can lookup a fly pattern that you wish to tie.  Not finding anything out there like this I desided to try and create such a database. I have it working and now it needs some testing.  So I would like some of you to look at it, try it, maybe add a fly pattern or two and then tell me what you think.  Like I said before, I am testing right now.   It is still under construction.  There are not very many fly patterns in the database right now.  Things I am looking for are:  Do I need to add anything to the submit section, do i need to remove anything from the submit section, and any other ideas you think might help it.  Again please try it out and let me know it you had any problems with it or if you have any suggestion on how to make it better. The page is located at:  http://www.nfinity.com/~hawk/fly/ Thanx for your time Wayne Beck

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Hi Wayne The idea looks good to me.  I’ve bookmarked you web page. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hello, Lately I have had a little free time on my hands, and I got this idea that it might be kind of cool if there was an online database where you can lookup a fly pattern that you wish to tie.  

… The page is located at:  http://www.nfinity.com/~hawk/fly/

I like it.  It’s nice to see someone providing a service like this that isn’t in it for the money. A couple of things that would be nice… I realize that this could could use up a considerable about of disc space but a jpg of a fly uploaded to a directory and referenced from HTML (along with an ALT tag) would be nice.  You’d probably want to limit the size though. Search engines are nice but sometimes an alphanumeric index is good too, especially for those that can’t spell irresistuble. The "Comments" field might be better labled "tying instructions". Actually, a separate field for instructions and one for comments might be useful.  The comments could include information on the best way to fish the fly, and what would happen if gink were applied. Most pattern books list the materials used in order of use when the fly is tied.  I didn’t see any way to specify in which order they should be used.  Of course, that could be described in the "Instructions" section. I didn’t see a field for "ribbing", often a key ingrediant. There wasn’t a field for things like lead weight or bead heads.  Perhaps a field titled "Other materials" would solve this. In any case, it looks good so far.  I hope that people use it. I’ll put a reference to it in my rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying FAQ (which I need to repost with a few updates) if you don’t mind. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I am tring to build a kite to use for offshore fishing.  The ones I have seen are just a square kite with the spars in a x configuration. I need the kite to fly in wind between 5 an 10 mph.  Im looking for water proof material and strong lightweight spars.  I figure the kite would need to be about 30 inches by 30 inches.  Any help anyone could give me with parts selection would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks Kent D. Bottorf

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: I am tring to build a kite to use for offshore fishing.  The ones I : have seen are just a square kite with the spars in a x configuration. : I need the kite to fly in wind between 5 an 10 mph.  Im looking for : water proof material and strong lightweight spars.  I figure the kite : would need to be about 30 inches by 30 inches.  Any help anyone could : give me with parts selection would be greatly appreciated.. Hmmm. None of the commercial offerings would work? Last time I was at the beach, I was pleased to see Gala was still selling some variety of the "Bat Kite" I remembered as a child. That would seem strong enough to work. On a side note, some shark fisherman use a Life-Saver<tm (the candy) and a big plastic garbage bag. They inflate the bag, and tie it closed. The baited line is rigged through a candy. If the wind is right, it blows the bag out to sea, and eventually the candy dissolves, dropping the bait in deeper water than they could otherwise cast to. I’m opposed to this littering, since the bag isn’t recovered, but they theory is interesting….

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I am tring to build a kite to use for offshore fishing.  The ones I have seen are just a square kite with the spars in a x configuration. I need the kite to fly in wind between 5 an 10 mph.  Im looking for water proof material and strong lightweight spars.  I figure the kite would need to be about 30 inches by 30 inches.  Any help anyone could give me with parts selection would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks Kent D. Bottorf

Kent,   My suggestion would be to just buy a Bob Lewis fishing kite.  I kite fish quite a bit here in S Fla, and I think you’ll get to spend a lot more time fishing by just buying instead of building.  My wife and I tried several times to figure out a better kite system, but gave up in frustration. —                  |                 |    |                           /    |   Nothin’ Fancy          /

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Went to the Orvis School in Vermont. Got my money’s worth but in retrospect not a neccesity to learn. Specifically helpful with casting technique. Get a good book on the basics of fly fishing before you go to any class anywhere. Then decide if you really want to go. Great sport.

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writes: As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad.  Is it worth all the expense? Thanks.  Avi

I just completed the Orvis Fly Fishing school at their corporate headquarters in Vermont.  Most of the time is spent on the mechanics of casting (including many different types.  Only about 1/2 day si spent on the river, but you can go on the river after the class. I thought it was great.  I feel like I learned so much on reading water, tying the knots, casting and the equipment, and even bugs. I would recommend it! Mac

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As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad.  Is it worth all the expense? Thanks.  Avi

Of course Avi, I think you should travel a little farther out west and attend one of my schools at the Arcularius Ranch near Mammoth Lakes in the Eastern Sierra, or at the Clearwater House on Hat Creek in Northern California.  The classes are small & I understand the instructors are excellent ;^  (I’m one of the instructors). E-mail me if you’re interested.                                              Thanks,                                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad.  Is it worth all the expense? Thanks.  Avi Team OS/2                  847.808.3913

How can I answer your question delicately…  NO- it might be alot of fun but there is another way to learn flyfishing. Get to know some of the local oldtimers in the streams where you live.  This is not necessarily easy to do but there are some great benefits- they know the waters local to you, know the hatches and patterns and best of all they can become friends to go fish with. One suggestion- a flyfisherman with all the gear (ie "decked out by cabela’s") doesn’t always know whats going on. Best wishes- you’ve selected a wonderful new hobby. Lee Clore "flyfishing is life"

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I have been to the school in evergreen, CO. You are right it is costly. I HAVE BEEN FLYFISHING FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND GOT SOMETHING OUT OF THE PROGRAM. BUT, THIS PROGRAM I SUGGEST FOR THE NEW COMER ONLY.IT IS BASIC. HOWEVER, THE STAFF IS GREAT.  THEY TAKE YOU TO A STOCKED POND THAT IS FILLED WITH FISH IN A WELL DEVELOPED AREA(YOU CAN WATCH TV THROUGH THE WINDOW OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALL AROUND}. fOR MY MONEY GET AN ORVIS GUIDE AND TELL THEM YOU WANT A HALF DAY OF LAND INSTRUCTION. tHEM GO TO THE CHESMEN CAYON TO FISH. NOT THE SOUTH PLATEE. READ/READ/READ THEN YOU WILOL GET MORE FROM THE INSTRUCTION

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You had better believe it.  I went to VT for mine…

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It depends on where you live.  Orvis has schools all over the country; go to the one nearest you.  I got started several years ago by going to the Orvis school near NYC in the Catskills.  They teach you the basics, with emphasis on casting on a trout pond.  I then hired one of the instructors (who, it turned out, went to high school with my wife) to take me onto the Beaverkill.  As a newbie, you don’t need the challenge of Rocky Mountain fishing.  Start in a river where you’ll likely catch fish, then move up to the harder (and more expensive) stuff.

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As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad.  Is it worth all the expense? Thanks.  Avi Team OS/2                  847.808.3913

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I’m hoping someone out there can help me convert a Medalist 1494 over to work for a left-handed person. I was lead to believe it possible. The reel didn’t come with any instructions. Do I just flip over the plastic ring that the drag rubs against? The two sides have a different # of click grooves on each side but this does seem to be the only way to reverse the drag. Do I also move the line guides? If anyone was a telephone # for Pflueger/Shakespeare please post. Thanks Don B.

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I’m hoping someone out there can help me convert a Medalist 1494 over to work for a left-handed person. I was lead to believe it possible. The reel didn’t come with any instructions. Do I just flip over the plastic ring that the drag rubs against? The two sides have a different # of click grooves on each side but this does seem to be the only way to reverse the drag. Do I also move the line guides? If anyone was a telephone # for Pflueger/Shakespeare please post. Thanks Don B.

Yup, just flip that litle plastic ring over and you’re in business. You can also reverse the line guide, but to me it’s a pain in the butt so I usually don’t bother (there’s always ONE little screw that won’t budge )

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Yes, just take out the two small screws (don’t lose them!), and turn over the disc.  There is a spring loaded gizzy that will pop out when you remove the disc.  So, lift it slowly.  Turn the disc over, postion over the screw holes, and tighten.  Changing the line guard is difficult, but I believe it is necessary.  The guard is there for a purpose, to protect the main body of the reel, and it really doesn’t take too long.  Good luck.  Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfitters Orvis Shop, Bozeman, MT

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I had tried and failed to convert my reel so I did the only reasonable thing, I went to the local fly shop and and asked for help.  I’ve been fly fishing for only one year, but I have found that the fellows who run fly shops are extremely helpful.  Of course, you will want to return the favor, especially if it was free, and buy a few flies — even if you don’t need any! Bob Jones

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(Spin4trout) says: I’m hoping someone out there can help me convert a Medalist 1494 over to work for a left-handed person. I was lead to believe it possible. The reel didn’t come with any instructions.

Has there been a change in the way Mealists are fabricated?  I thought that the always came for left-handed people.  I have always changed to right hand operation.  That is, I hold the rod in my right hand for casting, line in my left hand, and when it comes to actually winding it in, doing so with my left hand.  I do not switch hands between casting and winding. Way back when, Neal Taylor mentioned that, by happenstance, the first two reel makers were left handed and that is why actual left-handed reels are called right-handed. Further edification will be appreciated.

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(BillyFish) writes: Has there been a change in the way Mealists are fabricated?  I thought that the always came for left-handed people.  I have always changed to right hand operation.  That is, I hold the rod in my right hand for casting, line in my left hand, and when it comes to actually winding it in, doing so with my left hand.  I do not switch hands between casting and winding.

Right hand wind means you turn the handle with your right hand.  Left hand retrieve means you retrieve with your left hand.  The traditional way for a right hander to fish was to cast with the right hand, then switch the rod to the left hand and retrieve with the right hand also.  Now most right handers retrieve with their left hand probably because they either spincast first.  It doesn’t really matter, just different strokes for different folks.                                                              Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (BillyFish) writes: Has there been a change in the way Mealists are fabricated?  I thought that the always came for left-handed people.  I have always changed to right hand operation.  That is, I hold the rod in my right hand for casting, line in my left hand, and when it comes to actually winding it in, doing so with my left hand.  I do not switch hands between casting and winding. Right hand wind means you turn the handle with your right hand.  Left hand retrieve means you retrieve with your left hand.  The traditional way for a right hander to fish was to cast with the right hand, then switch the rod to the left hand and retrieve with the right hand also.  Now most right handers retrieve with their left hand probably because they either spincast first.  It doesn’t really matter, just different strokes for different folks.                                                             Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

Thanks for the help from everyone. I should have said I had a USED reel that needed to be un-converted. Like Dan said above I got started with spinning and I don’t switch hands. Just lucky to be left-handed and glad you righties flip-flop hands. I now have the reel back to "normal". I still wonder why they made the two sides with different hole patterns?   Oh, well. Life’s full of questions. Is there left-handed whirling disease? Or do all the fish swin circles in the same direction? <G PLEASE no responses to that one. Don B.

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(Spin4trout) writes: I now have the reel back to "normal". I still wonder why they made the two sides with different hole patterns?  

Hey Don, The hole patterns are different because Pflueger never originally expected the reel to be converted to left hand retrieve.  Left hand retrieve works ok on the converted reel, but the click sounds funny. The Japanese are manufacturing the Pflueger now and it’s one of the few things they don’t do well.  Still works, but the old US models work better, albeit without an exposed rim.                                                    Dan

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