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you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave? Orvis. 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x.  Wouldn’t leave home without it.

hilarious. for a while i thought flourocarbon was the only way to go there, even for near surface fishing.  now i think it depends upon the conditions, but i’m still trying to figure out *which* conditions warrant using flourocarbon.  i know it’s superb for nymphing the faster water and you can use 4x and 5x no problem. that stuff is just so expensive, i call it an investment in tippet.  i’ll be packing 0x thru 10x nanocarbon and fishing dave’s new midge patterns, so i’m not too worried bruce h ps if you’ve sent me an sj related email – i haven’t been able to get to my email for a week or so.  i’ll reply soon — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Bruiser writes: i’ll be packing 0x thru 10x nanocarbon and fishing dave’s new midge patterns, so i’m not too worried bruce h

*My* new midge patterns!  I thought I was gonna use *your* new midge patterns. <g   Dave LaCourse

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Ditto.

I will get mine out Monday A.M. Ain’t postal service priority one a great service. Big Dale

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In today’s mail… jal

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

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Sorry this was supposed to be an email!! Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

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Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

Willi, I’m glad you like the reel…. I use mine quite a bit. Yesterday, on the banks of Steve’s new home water, the Watauga River, he mentioned that he had sent you a cane…. if you ask me, he has a heart of gold. The best fly for Steve’s holding place on the Watauga, a big ‘ole granite boulder he likes to perch on, is, well, a round brown fly, possibly size 16. I can best say that it would imitate a…. uhmmm, well a purina trout chow pellet <g Seriously, do you remember those real small emergers you sent me a while back? THOSE WORK GREAT!!!  I have, by my own admission, been reluctant to share those with anyone being the drsob that I am. However, considering that it is the Holiday Season, a time for sharing, I’ll confess that those durn little buggers are terrific! Have fun on the juan….. Walt

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?

Raffle ‘em off. Whomever correctly guesses which roffians weaseled out wins. /daytripper (Got mah suspicions at the ready, already ;^)

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?

     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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I agree…this should be one of the benefits for being a swap miester Ed B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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: If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the : rest of the flies?   Send ‘em to me! For that, I’d gladly put up with being proclaimed the "ROFF moocher of the year" Of course, LaPlac’s already gonna call me that once I meet him on the Juan…you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave? (No, I didn’t bail out — I never signed up, but would gladly be the beneficiary of y’all’s hard work tying all those flies…) JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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PC, Ditto, Mine will leave Mon. AM HT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same here. Rather tight schedule at the moment, but Saturday evening is set aside for the swap flies. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants? Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. keep ‘em – you did all the work. Peter

ditto for me also…. keep the extras Chris. walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Jon Cook writes: Send ‘em to me! For that, I’d gladly put up with being proclaimed the "ROFF moocher of the year" Of course, LaPlac’s already gonna call me that once I meet him on the Juan…you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave?

Orvis. 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x.  Wouldn’t leave home without it.  Got some flies too, ones that will work and probably ain’t never been seen by those Juanian fishies.  20s, 22s, 24s.  <g  Got some surprises for Bruiser, too.  And, I’ll be packin industrial strength Zantac (150mG tablets) – you could eat in T-town with them.   Dave L.

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Same here. Rather tight schedule at the moment, but Saturday evening is set aside for the swap flies. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants? Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Any bets on how many times he gets hooks himself sorting all those flies?

None. Willi

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Thirded.  Keep some and donate some either to a ‘clave or give them to your local TU or FFF chapter for fundraising.  If that doesn’t work, just send them to me<g.  I’ll share with the other Massachusetts ROFFians, honest I will<g. –Stan (glad I don’t have to sort 900 flies next week)

Any bets on how many times he gets hooks himself sorting all those flies? Paul

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Thirded.  Keep some and donate some either to a ‘clave or give them to your local TU or FFF chapter for fundraising.  If that doesn’t work, just send them to me<g.  I’ll share with the other Massachusetts ROFFians, honest I will<g. –Stan (glad I don’t have to sort 900 flies next week) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree…this should be one of the benefits for being a swap miester Ed B If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin

Ditto. Wolfgang

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Chris, It has been crazy here.  I will be sending out my flies Monday. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

keep ‘em – you did all the work.   Peter

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I’ve got to tell ya, the dogs haven’t been real happy with me and my broken foot. No more rousing games of soccer, it takes me forever to even get up or down the stairs or across the room. We’re playing other games, but I’ve got to be careful for quite a while yet. Walking aross the yard is a trick; lumpy ground is really hard to deal with. And I was the one who played with the dogs the most. Sigh. So the other day, I’m upstairs and I hear the door open (must be husband coming in) and then I hear strange dog sounds. So I hobble downstairs and I see this strange tangle of dogs and a human on the floor sort of rolling around in a ball. They heard me and they suddenly all stopped and looked at me, my husband looking the most sheepish of all. Silly hub’n puppies!

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nice to know he can step in A fun doggy game for sitting humans is the cat intended fishing pole game  a stick a string (preferably strong ones with a sproingy stick) and a soft toy to fly around ahead of the galloping herd can be lots of fun the dog that catches it has to fetch and give so the game can continue Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got to tell ya, the dogs haven’t been real happy with me and my broken foot. No more rousing games of soccer, it takes me forever to even get up or down the stairs or across the room. We’re playing other games, but I’ve got to be careful for quite a while yet. Walking aross the yard is a trick; lumpy ground is really hard to deal with. And I was the one who played with the dogs the most. Sigh. So the other day, I’m upstairs and I hear the door open (must be husband coming in) and then I hear strange dog sounds. So I hobble downstairs and I see this strange tangle of dogs and a human on the floor sort of rolling around in a ball. They heard me and they suddenly all stopped and looked at me, my husband looking the most sheepish of all. Silly hub’n puppies!

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nice to know he can step in A fun doggy game for sitting humans is the cat intended fishing pole game a stick a string (preferably strong ones with a sproingy stick) and a soft toy to fly around ahead of the galloping herd can be lots of fun the dog that catches it has to fetch and give so the game can continue Nancy

I think it’s harder on me than on the dogs. WAAAAAAAAAA! I wanna go out and play doggie soccer! <snivel donna

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NEED HELP WITH POWERED PARACHUTES January 22,1997 Hi Folks,         My wife and I need all the help we can get–ideas?-advise-tips, etc. We are planning an environmental expedition into some uncharted jungles of Central America.  After four expeditions over the last nine years of trying to reach this particular area on foot we are seriously considering the use of back pack powered parachutes.         First, perhaps a little of our background would be helpful.  We are forty and fiftyish and in reasonable shape. We are both professionals-my wife is an Arthur and amateur photographer and one the best bushpersons I have ever met. She grew up on a farm where her father taught her hunting, fishing, and trapping. I am not big into guns but I’ve seen her shoot a six inch pattern at thirty yards (with a 44 magnum revolver!)  I have degrees in education, English, and Industrial Technology.  I am a licensed pilot (SEL) and have flown a paraplane trike. Spelunking is a hobby and I worked as a commercial diver a few years back(definitely a youngmans job).  I’ve worked in Mexico, the Caribbean, and we lived full time in Central America for a couple of years recently. (Stayed as long as the money and the luck held out).  We are back here in the States, in suburbia, working our tails off try to save or raise the money to get back South of the border and back to our work.  We have a non-profit tax exempt scientific and educational corporation and our Federal   tax exempt status for those that donate to the cause(we can furnish the 501 forms for tax purposes). Staying as independent as possible we have financed most of our expeditions out of our own pockets. So, who are we and what do we do?  Even though the term is about a hundred years out of date, perhaps the US Ambassador was the closest when he introduced at a banquet as Explorers.  Believe it or not there are still a few places left on this Earth that are still uncharted and unexplored.           Now a little about our work.  The area that we have tried (unsuccessfully) to reach overland has only been mapped from the air and some of those photographs were taken by Charles Lindberg in the thirties! So the Topo maps that do exist are notoriously wrong.  While cutting our way into this area we have in the past taken GPS readings, and collected samples of unusual plant life. (There is one vine that when boiled tastes just like coffee and another that if beaten into a pulp and put into relatively still waters will stun the fish enough to bring them to the surface and then when you gotten what you need you pull the vine out and stir the waters and the other fish revive).  Any archaeological ruins that we come across we get coordinates (GPS) sometimes do preliminary surveys and report to the authorities when we come out.  We don’t dig or loot.  Our next expedition is planned for the dry season in 1998 (February through April).  We will establish a base camp accessible by road and fly out of it.  We are currently working on a drag net that can be deployed and opened in the air and then retrieved while still in the air.  We will use this for the collection of insects above the canopy and up the river and stream valleys where we can.  If the back pack powered chutes work as I hope they will we should be able to land and take off from sand bars, clearings etc.  I’ve flown the valleys in a Cessna and am well aware of the variable winds, especially ridge drafts.  After almost being inverted twice I got back to altitude (prayerfully at that).  However, mornings and evenings are often calm-so if you don’t get stupid you might get away with it.         Now for the real reason for this E-mail.  Many questions??  We are considering building our first unit to train on here in the States as we don’t have the finances for a new or used unit at this time.  Has anyone had any experience with a company called "Easy Up".  They offer plans and recommend sources for new and used equipment.  I have also heard that there were tandem units on the market.  Not that we would fly tandem, but it would add a great measure of safety if a parachute, engine, or pilot were disabled.  What about climbing radius after take off (I’m sure it varies with thrust and chute design). My weight should be at about two hundred and my wives about a hundred and thirty.         What about Corporate sponsorship.  Any ideas on fundraising? There will obviously be a video produced.  Anyone know of anyone that has a unit stored that they would like to take a tax write-off on (or am I dreaming). Or a Patron or person of means who would fund the project-They might get a new bug or plant species named after them-Yeah, I know doesn’t seem like much incentive does it.  We will consider taking a few folks with us, but at this point it would have to be on a voluntary basis with them picking up their own expenses.  Experience and attitude would also be a very important considerations.   Well, thanks for taking the time to read this.  If you can’t help please pass it along to someone who may have suggestions or ideas. Thanks, John

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Trevor, YOu could always try the news group rec.aviation.powerchutes. R. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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I suggest you to read Big Air ’s Accident Reports. There are a few Paramotor accident reports which can be benefitial to you. Regards, Kinsley Wong Big Air Paragliding http://www.web-partners.com/paragliding

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Hi Klaus, here is an other german paramotor pilot. Name here is Oscar and I am located near the city of Ulm. I fly a Fresh Breeze paramotor with Paratech wing…. Any other paramotor pilots from Germany here ??? Best regards, Oscar

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if you come to scotland try phil.

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if you come to scotland try phil.

I like that "Coudbusters" !

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Here’s another: http://www.poweredparaglider.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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zum Thema "Re: paramotor": anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I flied more than one hundred times powered PG.  When you tried to fly by Powered PG, you should never use high performance PG because it is difficult to take off.  Additionally, the high performance PG is easy to collapse, sometimes recovery of collapsed PG is difficult in the case of powered PG.

I want to use my old parachute for flying with paramotor. I gave it back   to the company for changing to stronger ropes. For normal fly I want to buy a new modern high performance PG. I think that your have much experience in PG.  If not, you should learn how to control PG by PG flyer.  Powered PG is very intresting, but it is danger to fly without basic experience and knowledge about PG.  In Japan, there is one fatal accident in powered PG.  He was a ultralight flyer. Anyway, best way to safety flying is to learn how to control PG by PG (or Powered PG) flyer.

I spent lots of hours flying conventional PG, some hours Ultralight and in   past lots of hours soaring. But it is always a new experience to start flying in spring mfg KMW —   ,–.__,-.__,—-.__,-.__,–.  // Klaus Michael Weinreich

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Try this: http://hometown.aol.com/skybrake/brakeindex.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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good innit? he’s a very clever man.

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anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I have bought one, second hand, but I still have no experience at all with   flying this funny thing, although I have licence for Ultralight etc. mfg KMW

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Try     rec.aviation.powerchutes R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

[snipped] Exactly true for anyone not gifted with a T-3 connection ;^) But as for the rest of us, Jon, the problem is purely one of end-node bandwidth. For most of us – and for most of the time – the slow loading of George’s page has nothing to do with routers or switches or backbone performance. It’s the bandwidth at the faceplate attached to the wall. Also, as long as we’re in "education mode", if you think that a 48KB file is broken up into a mere dozen packets (or anything even remotely close to that) it’s time for you to go back to school ;^) Packet payloads are measured in tens or hundreds of bytes (check out the spec’s on ATM, for instance), not multi-K’s of bytes… The solution to George’s page is simple: lose the eagle, and make the darned page hierarchical. Put the latest set of events on the first page, and bury the history stuff in a half-dozen underlying pages, arranged in chronological order with links back on the first page. No big deal, don’t have to throw anything way, and it would probably take a half-hour to rearrange what he’s got now into something more practical… Regards, /daytripper (sipping the internet through a really thin straw ;^)

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

(remainded snipped to unclog the superhighway) Thanks for the explanation Jon. Mark Faulkner

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Jon Cook: <<Which is *still* not related to processor speed. What you’re talking about is modem speed — and I’ll still go out on a limb and say that any endpoint with modem above 33K or so will still suffer from *internal* Internet congestion, and not just their end-node bandwidth. Heck, I’ve visited the page from a *very* fast connection and have waited minutes for it to load. Gentlemen, gentlemen….. The entire page was too big — since George has fixed it, it loads in very little time, *regardless of when you call it up*. There is very little internet activity at 6 a.m. EDT, yet it took just as long then as it did at 1 pm or 10 pm.  The thing was too long. Dave LaCourse

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bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice.

FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice. FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

— Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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This subject has probably been done here before, but I’ll post this anyway. I do about 90% of my fishing in the surf or on jetties for Bluefish, Striped Bass and Weakfish.  The balance is for warmwater species, and when I’m feeling particularly masochistic, I might try for some trout which usually only laugh at me. Anyway, the question is: When is a fly a fly?   Does it have to represent or suggest some stage of an insect’s life?  I’d guess most of you would call the things I throw "Streamers"  or for the English, "Lures", but they are called "Flies" by everyone I know who uses them, even though some of them can be (and have been) cast by ultralight or even light action spinning rods. Here’s some more things to chew on:  What about materials?  Do they have to be natural or will synthetic be acceptable? How about epoxy, a material I love to use because it stands up to big teeth. So far as I am concerned, as long as the offering is too light to be cast by conventional or spinning rods that can reasonably be expected to subdue the fish you’re looking for but must be cast by line weight instead of lure weight, then it’s a fly, even if it is 14" long… — Tight Lines and Fair Winds! Ed

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This subject has probably been done here before, but I’ll post this anyway. I do about 90% of my fishing in the surf or on jetties for Bluefish, Striped Bass and Weakfish.  The balance is for warmwater species, and when I’m feeling particularly masochistic, I might try for some trout which usually only laugh at me. Anyway, the question is: When is a fly a fly?   Does it have to represent or suggest some stage of an insect’s life?  I’d guess most of you would call the things I throw "Streamers"  or for the English, "Lures", but they are called "Flies" by everyone I know who uses them, even though some of them can be (and have been) cast by ultralight or even light action spinning rods. Here’s some more things to chew on:  What about materials?  Do they have to be natural or will synthetic be acceptable? How about epoxy, a material I love to use because it stands up to big teeth. So far as I am concerned, as long as the offering is too light to be cast by conventional or spinning rods that can reasonably be expected to subdue the fish you’re looking for but must be cast by line weight instead of lure weight, then it’s a fly, even if it is 14" long… — Tight Lines and Fair Winds! Ed

Ed, My understanding of the definition of a fly is a "lure" made from fur and feather, of couse synthetic materials are also allowed in conjunction with fur and feather. Darin

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Hi, Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. Casting considerations Anti Skating techniques Are some examples for topics of discussion. Regards – Michael

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Hi, Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. Casting considerations Anti Skating techniques Are some examples for topics of discussion. Regards – Michael

Well fishing small streams is what i do best and most (those usually correspond).  As far as casting goes i like to dap a lot and also flip my fly to a different spot on the stream intead of a full pickup.  this usually is best because it doesn’t spook the natives.

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Hi, Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. Casting considerations Anti Skating techniques Are some examples for topics of discussion. Regards – Michael

   Well fishing small streams is what i do best and most (those usually correspond).  As far as casting goes i like to dap a lot and also flip my fly to a different spot on the stream intead of a full pickup.  this usually is best because it doesn’t spook the natives.

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Yeah, I’ve found in small streams that usual rules of fly presentation often don’t apply.  An elk hair caddis that starts out as a dry fly, even when palmered, will often quickly get sucked under and pulled along as a wet and still seems to attract fish.  Dragging the fly all over the top and bouncing it over white water will get hits very commonly , sometimes even in relatively smooth water, when otherwise the slightest drag will spook fish.  Doodle bugs and Renegades also show this kind of "versatility". — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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Yeah, I’ve found in small streams that usual rules of fly presentation often don’t apply.  An elk hair caddis that starts out as a dry fly, even when palmered, will often quickly get sucked under and pulled along as a wet and still seems to attract fish.  Dragging the fly all over the top and bouncing it over white water will get hits very commonly , sometimes even in relatively smooth water, when otherwise the slightest drag will spook fish.  Doodle bugs and Renegades also show this kind of "versatility". — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

  I found the same thing in other waters.  Often it takes alittle action or sometimes alot of drag on dry caddis to get a response, and this is on fish that will be put down with just a small amount of drag when feeding on Mayfly duns. Overall, Mayflies are sedate, Caddis aren’t. Willi

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wading out to a good spot at the head of a riffle, I had my fly drifting in the water when Wham! a nice 14" brown gobbled it up.  Now I purposely let my caddis dry bounce on the surrface of a riffle for a good minute or more.  Seems as though the fish see it as a caddis laying eggs and bouncing up and down on the surface.

Andrew, One might conclude (incorrectly) that one needs to have ones fly in the  water to catch fish from this… and sometimes not in the manner one would  normally use… Well, I saw a fish rising along the far bank of the Yellow Breeches some 30  feet away and cast a Letort cricket size 14 to it…. leader wrapped a small  branch of a leafy plant, causing the Letort cricket to be suspended 6" above  the water.  A rainbow leaped, nailed the cricket, broke off the leafy branch  still wrapped around the leader.   Netted ‘em both.   So… just get your fly  near a fish is sometimes good enough. tightlines, Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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Re bouncing dry bouncing caddis in a riffle- I have done this in the dark with an elk hair sedge with rubber legs, and also let it drift dry down a glide till it reaches the end of its travel, then allowed the current to drag it across (presumably making a big vee -too dark to see!) The brownies will take at any stage of this technique, and produces bigger fish than during daylight or the dusk too. This is on a stream in N.Ireland, though I live in Scotland now! Gillaroo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure, I’ll bite.  Here’s one of my favorite techniques.  While I was wading out to a good spot at the head of a riffle, I had my fly drifting in the water when Wham! a nice 14" brown gobbled it up.  Now I purposely let my caddis dry bounce on the surrface of a riffle for a good minute or more.  Seems as though the fish see it as a caddis laying eggs and bouncing up and down on the surface. Anyone else try this? Andrew Hi, Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. Casting considerations Anti Skating techniques Are some examples for topics of discussion. Regards – Michael

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Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers.

How about this one.  I’m standing on the bank, I’ve just finished a cast and my fly is trailing downstream in the current.  I tuck the rod under my elbow, and light up a smoke.  Right about the time I get the thing lit, a fish hits, pops the rod out and pulls it into the water, as I stumble around after it. Similarly, I use this cast to look at water ouzels, deer, bears and clouds. Anglerboy — Trout fear me, Women want me. http://www.midtown.net/~angler/

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How about this one.  I’m standing on the bank, I’ve just finished a cast and my fly is trailing downstream in the current.  I tuck the rod under my elbow, and light up a smoke.  Right about the time I get the thing lit, a fish hits, pops the rod out and pulls it into the water, as I stumble around after it.

I had this same experince. Managed to hold on the rod though. Huge fish too. Brad

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  Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. How about this one.  I’m standing on the bank, I’ve just finished a cast and my fly is trailing downstream in the current.  I tuck the rod under my elbow, and light up a smoke.  Right about the time I get the thing lit, a fish hits, pops the rod out and pulls it into the water, as I stumble around after it. Similarly, I use this cast to look at water ouzels, deer, bears and clouds. Anglerboy

I do this to fool the fish into thinking that I am unprepared.

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I think of low and slow conditions during the hot summer dregs on small streams and offer the following advice:  Terrestrials.  Change flies a lot. Try some weird stuff, the trout will surprise you.  If all else fails, ah-ooooga, Dive!  Dive! with a good bead head marabou bugger. — KennyM "I fish because I love to…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Lets get a thread going on various tactics for fishing streams and rivers. Casting considerations Anti Skating techniques Are some examples for topics of discussion. Regards – Michael

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Umm, I just found a bunch of tips from Buzz Ramesy and Tim Rajeff on the trophy rivers web site  covering flyfishing http://www.sierra.com/titles/rivers/trivers.html         "Salmon and steelhead gather                  near the river mouth before                 moving upstream to spawn.                They

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Ask Kiene about Shad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines. Marc! assistants at 800/4000 FLYor better visit the  Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, and they will tell you all you need to know. They are great fellows, they know the area and it’s one of the nicest fly shops i have visited! //Thorsten

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

Marc! assistants at 800/4000 FLYor better visit the  Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, and they will tell you all you need to know. They are great fellows, they know the area and it’s one of the nicest fly shops i have visited! //Thorsten

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

Marc! Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, or call him or his assistants at 800/4000 FLY and they will tell you all you need to know. //Thorsten

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Just bought a 17′ Boston Whaler, plan to do alot of Striper Fishing with it (Fly Fishing) in the Chesapeake Bay. What do I want in a Fish/Depth Finder? I’m open for suggestions; I’ve researched Humminbird, Eagle, Bottom Line, Apelco. Whats the best buy? Nick DelleDonne

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I’ve been very happy with my Apelco 530 with optional GPS receiver.  I purchased it with the thru-hull transducer and have good performance up to 20 MPH.  I have metered Rockcod down to 500 ft (slower speeds) and can see the bottom down to 1000 ft.  My only complaint is that at 3500 RPM I get a hydraulic sound from the transducer.  This maybe because I didn’t get it mounted straight with the boat, but it does not bother enough to try messing around with it.  The GPS works great too.  The unit is totally water proof but I have not verified this since it is mounted in a radio box. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just bought a 17′ Boston Whaler, plan to do alot of Striper Fishing with it (Fly Fishing) in the Chesapeake Bay. What do I want in a Fish/Depth Finder? I’m open for suggestions; I’ve researched Humminbird, Eagle, Bottom Line, Apelco. Whats the best buy? Nick DelleDonne

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- I’ve been very happy with my Apelco 530 with optional GPS receiver. – I purchased it with the thru-hull transducer and have good – performance up to 20 MPH.  I have metered Rockcod down to 500 ft – (slower speeds) and can see What happens after 20 MPH? ajc

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been very happy with my Apelco 530 with optional GPS receiver.  I purchased it with the thru-hull transducer and have good performance up to 20 MPH.  I have metered Rockcod down to 500 ft (slower speeds) and can see the bottom down to 1000 ft.  My only complaint is that at 3500 RPM I get a hydraulic sound from the transducer.  This maybe because I didn’t get it mounted straight with the boat, but it does not bother enough to try messing around with it.  The GPS works great too.  The unit is totally water proof but I have not verified this since it is mounted in a radio box. Just bought a 17′ Boston Whaler, plan to do alot of Striper Fishing with it (Fly Fishing) in the Chesapeake Bay. What do I want in a Fish/Depth Finder? I’m open for suggestions; I’ve researched Humminbird, Eagle, Bottom Line, Apelco. Whats the best buy? Nick DelleDonne Hook directly to the battery.  

Happy fishing!

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I have a Bottom Line with sidefinder and find when I an fly fishing I can locate fish to the side of my boat out to 120 ft. not under the boat( I have yet to find a way to cast a fly 20 ft under the stern).

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I have a Bottom Line with sidefinder and find when I an fly fishing I can locate fish to the side of my boat out to 120 ft. not under the boat( I have yet to find a way to cast a fly 20 ft under the stern).

I’ve been thinking about buying that one. Is the coverage of the Bottomline’s beam (less than 10 degrees, I’m told) enough to tell you what’s out there 30 to 100 feet from your boat? Does it do a good job telling you what’s in fairly shallow water — less than 10 feet deep, and 10 to 20 feet deep, for example? I wonder how it compares with the Eagle, say, with the side-viewing transducers. —

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

Well, there are ’some around’ I’m sure that will be glad to talk to you about any kind of fly fishing you have in mind. Mr. Gink

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Fly-fishing is for faggits. Well, there are ’some around’ I’m sure that will be glad to talk to you about any kind of fly fishing you have in mind. Mr. Gink

Mr. Tiger didn’t join the military because he didn’t want to leave his brother’s behind. —        * * *  Some days I’d rather just give up and go fishing * * * Doug Freeman

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

That’s right, so you better keep that cute little rump of yours away from my drift… TimW

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

– And LSU is for the spelling disabled!!!! jg

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…college men from LSU     went in dumb, come out dumb too! R. Neuman,"Rednecks" 1974

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: : Fly-fishing is for faggits. : Someone once told me two things about LSU. First, the entrance requirements are so low that some can get in with nothing more than an expired driver’s license. Second, most LSU grads go to Mississippi and by doing so raise the I.Q. of both states. It appears from tiger’s post that at least the former is true. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky

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u know what ‘faggots’ were before they became ‘faggots’?….bait fishermen

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

That’s probably why you chose LSU, Tiger. You can spell that correctly!

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

                                                ^^^^-nice spelling and bait fishing is for CRETINS. Hopefully you will never flyfish, because all we need is one more Heathen on our rivers. Oh by the way, do you want to go out and do a little snagging??? Eat my fly pal.

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

jvermil !  Thanks, very much.   You are absolutely correct !!! Thanks for pointing it out, we owe you one ! Just look at *all* the FAGGIT terms in the Flyfishing vocabulary… "Drag" "Rod Action" "Line Lubricant" "Leader Butt" "Sperm Flies" "Vise" (I have to stop, it’s grossing me out…) Yup, the whole sport is a cover-up for closet benuches.   No doubt about it.   Thanks for pointing it out.   ..and I still think you have a really nice rump. Your fantasy net lover, TimW

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Fly-fishing is for faggits.

Yes, Shall we meet. I’m 215 lbs 6 ft tall and horny.   Do  "YOU" squeal like a  pig? Woof  woof  Arrp!! R

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: : I’ll send you money if you send me time and good health. Name your price. : good health is just luck, but money could sure ease out the time part… : 200K and some plane tickets to Valpraiso would be a good start. Of  Which Valpraiso are you speaking of.   : course, I’ll need some new baggy shorts and some t-shirts with lewd : sayings… : TimWalker Bryan

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I’ll always be willing to trade money for a few hours chest deep in the surf ! Doesn’t always pan out though. Today I was supposed to fly to Martha’s Vineyard with a pilot friend to fish Lobsterville beach for the day, but got scheduled for a teleconference so I had to bag it. Yes, I could have done a cellular thing, but to me a scheduled interruption during fishing defeats the whole purpose. Well turns out it’s pouring, and I’m not sure my friend got out, as the ceiling’s pretty low here. Consoled myself by going down to Hampton Beach and making a few casts in the surf for lunch hour. No fish, but the combined smells of salt water and dripping rain gear have the most rejuvenating effect on me ! And people wonder why I find it necessay to live, work, and spend my entire existence within 3 miles of the ocean :-                                                                 jc

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: I’ll always be willing to trade money for a few hours chest deep in the surf ! : Doesn’t always pan out though. Today I was supposed to fly to Martha’s : Vineyard with a pilot friend to fish Lobsterville beach for the day, but got : scheduled for a teleconference so I had to bag it. Yes, I could have done a : cellular thing, but to me a scheduled interruption during fishing defeats : the whole purpose. Well turns out it’s pouring, and I’m not sure my friend : got out, as the ceiling’s pretty low here. Consoled myself by going down to : Hampton Beach and making a few casts in the surf for lunch hour. No fish, : but the combined smells of salt water and dripping rain gear have the most : rejuvenating effect on me ! And people wonder why I find it necessay to live, : work, and spend my entire existence within 3 miles of the ocean :- :                                                               jc :                                                      

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God I’m sick of work.  Let’s go fishin’… Any billionaires on the net ? Release me from this toil ! Never mind me…just having a mid-life crisis in cyberspace… Tim Walker

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: I’ll send you money if you send me time and good health. Name your price. good health is just luck, but money could sure ease out the time part… 200K and some plane tickets to Valpraiso would be a good start. Of course, I’ll need some new baggy shorts and some t-shirts with lewd sayings… TimWalker

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