Hello everyone! I’ve really enjoyed a couple of fish documentaries I’ve seen on TV lately. I thought I’d prepare for the cabin fever by getting a couple of such documentaries (or just general fishing stories) on DVD, if I could find some good ones. Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.
Hello everyone! I’ve really enjoyed a couple of fish documentaries I’ve seen on TV lately. I thought I’d prepare for the cabin fever by getting a couple of such documentaries (or just general fishing stories) on DVD, if I could find some good ones. Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD?
Fly Fishing Yellowstone Hatches, w/ Craig Mathews
Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD?
Jeff Fly Fishing Yellowstone Hatches, w/ Craig Mathews Looks pretty interesting, thanks. 
— Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.
Wolfgang wrote Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool? :)
Boys will be boys will Be boys will be boys will be Men, and men will die. …Jay Jenks, boyhood pal now beyond the pale — -dnc-
I had a subscription to WarmWater Flyfishing and after the first year I decided not to renew.Why?I found that the magazine was starting to get into the pattern of typical "bassin’" magazines.You know;slow and deep for winter bass,deadly patterns for early spring bluegills etc.The first few issues had my attention with articles on catching gar or peacock bass.After that there was too much redundancy.Other flyfishing magazines include enough articles on warm water flyfishing to fill the void.I like flyfishing magazines better than spinfisherman magazines because most of the time they don’t have that gonzo bass-pro attitude.W.W.Flyfishing seemed to me to be developing an identity crisis.Were all us flyfishing bass chasers really bassboat plug chuckers who had a desperate need to tie flies that looked and worked just as good as a spinnerbait and a plastic worm?I don’t think so. Tight Lines,Shawn
Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys.
Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool? :)
Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool? :)
I guess I will have to raise the price to seperate the men from the boys. Ernie
In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. — Don Thompson well, speaking from long experience, I’d say your nsho is wrong.
Yep, gotta agree with this one. Bought my Estwing straight claw nearly twenty years ago and have pounded more nails, recalcitrant boards, various impedimenta, and thumbs with it than I care to remember. If all tools were made this well a whole lot of manufacturers would soon go out of business. Wolfgang who, after all the rhapsodies in praise of cordless screwdrivers here in the past couple of weeks and after becoming hopelessly snarled in electrical cords while constructing a grape arbor this weekend, spent a full hour yesterday ogling the latest offerings from DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, et al.
Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolfgang who, after all the rhapsodies in praise of cordless screwdrivers here in the past couple of weeks and after becoming hopelessly snarled in electrical cords while constructing a grape arbor this weekend, spent a full hour yesterday ogling the latest offerings from DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, et al.
Geez! What the hell is wrong with you people? One guy expresses his opinion and he’s jumped on. Amazing.
Nothing wrong with the people here, John. Suffice it to say that nobody on this list (with the exception of me and one or two other folks who lurk but don’t post) knows what the real deal was with the closure of Warmwater.
Mr. Smith firmly stated that he did know "the real deal" and he was even willing to bet his hammer on it. Thank you for setting the record straight. Now, back to the newsgroup.
Been here all along. — Ken Fortenberry
I don’t understand what is going on with this thread. I enjoyed the magazine,and thought it was well done. I appreciate the efforts of John and his staff in promoting Warmwater fly fishing and I miss the magazine.
Never read the magazine. I did receive an unsolicited copy of 8 wt Journal in the mail one time. It was OK, but I was never tempted to subscribe. What I objected to was the slurs against the new CEO at Abenaki. Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry
Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF.
I sure agree with that. Big Dale
Geez! What the hell is wrong with you people? One guy expresses his opinion and he’s jumped on. Amazing. Suffice it to say that nobody on this list (with the exception of me and one or two other folks who lurk but don’t post) knows what the real deal was with the closure of Warmwater. To those who liked and supported the magazine, my thanks. Now, back to the newsgroup. John Likakis
Never read the magazine. I did receive an unsolicited copy of 8 wt Journal in the mail one time. It was OK, but I was never tempted to subscribe. What I objected to was the slurs against the new CEO at Abenaki. Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF.
Your right. Perhaps I shouldn’t have directed my dissapointment so strongly at the publisher. It is just that I am Interested in people with vision. People who understand that the only differance between dreams and reality, is the making the dream, a reality. Still, I believe the decision to end Warm Water was premature. At this point in history, the average person thinks that flyfishing is for trout only. Warm Water Flyfishing magazine challenged that assumption directly. Great ideas take time to bring into reality sometimes. I enjoy watching fishing shows when I get a chance. A few years ago, you didn’t see that many flyfishing episodes let alone flyfishing for warm water species. Since the advent of Warm Water Flyfishing magazine, I have been able to enjoy several episodes including warm water species. Fly fishing for carp? Why not to long ago I watched an entire episode of Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh fly fishing for carp! They were calling it the *fresh water bonefish*. Wow! I credit people like John Likakis and his magazine, with stimulating the interest. Another reason I feel thet the decision was premature, is because the flyfishing industry, itself, was just beginning to wake up to the possibilities ( this was the point I was driving home in a previous post). Warm water flyfishing has different tackle needs. A magazine that broadened the market can only strengthen the industry. It’s too bad they didn’t wake up sooner. Mike Smith
Mr. Fortenberry: My complement and support for John Likakis, was both genuine and heartfelt. I meant it as nothing more than that.
Well, with friends like you and your Winston, Mr. Likakis sure as hell doesn’t need any enemies. — Ken Fortenberry
In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I’m willing to bet the Estwing hammer that I swing for a living, that I’ve hit the nail on the head.
In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. — Don Thompson
well, speaking from long experience, I’d say your nsho is wrong. Jim Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
aren’t big enough for bass and pike flys, maybe I should look for suppliers. Ooops! Where do I look?
For feathers more suitable for bass and pike flies you should check out the feathers from Ewing Featherbirds inc. of Waterville,Ia.The last catalog I have MWflytying.com as another source for materials for tying bass flys. I don’t understand what is going on with this thread. I enjoyed the magazine,and thought it was well done. I appreciate the efforts of John and his staff in promoting Warmwater fly fishing and I miss the magazine. Big Dale
I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill.
I’m with you, Ken… In the immortal words of Mr. Class-Act himself… DON’T FEED THE TROLL!! –Steve
While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, … I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill.
Mr. Fortenberry: My complement and support for John Likakis, was both genuine and heartfelt. I meant it as nothing more than that. I have been lurking here for quite some time, but it was not until I found that he was reading on the usenet that I have ever felt compelled to post anything on the usenet before. This was my first time. Yes, I do resent Abenaki’s (or perhaps more accuratly Rodale Press’s) decision to end publication of Warm Water Flyfishing magazine. I love my sport deeply, and I have many thanks for people, like Mr. Likakis, who have been spreading the news that flyfishing is an all around sport. My Winston 5wt and I have enjoyed many great experiances together on these wonderful Green Mountain streams. But thanks to Mr. Likakis and Warm Water Flyfishing, my Sage 7wt and I am getting very well aquianted with these Green Mountain lakes and rivers. And guess what? I can’t wait for my first opportunity to lock into a carp on my fly rod. Perhaps my 7wt won’t be enough. Maybe I should look into an 8wt. It might be a good idea because I can use it for Pike also. It could be that a 6wt would be just the thing for the White river. It’s my suspicion, Mr. Fortenberry, that the decision to end this fine magazines publication, had less to do with lack of interest on the part of the public, and more to do with piss poor sales support by management. It’s just another case of city bound account executives inability to see the green through the skyscrapers. And I’m willing to bet the Estwing hammer that I swing for a living, that I’ve hit the nail on the head. In the meantime, I think I will look into a Bauer reel to go along with that 8wt. Also these feathers that I use for tying trout flys aren’t big enough for bass and pike flys, maybe I should look for suppliers. Ooops! Where do I look? Mike Smith
While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, …
I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill. — Ken Fortenberry
… Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given.
If it had been profitable to publish it, it would still be published. The warm water species of choice in the US is the largemouth bass and a flyrod is neither the popular nor the best way to catch a largemouth bass. The flyfishing industry, like all capitalist industry, exists to make a profit, and that can sometimes be cruel, especially to visionaries. — Ken Fortenberry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. If it had been profitable to publish it, it would still be published. The warm water species of choice in the US is the largemouth bass and a flyrod is neither the popular nor the best way to catch a largemouth bass. The flyfishing industry, like all capitalist industry, exists to make a profit, and that can sometimes be cruel, especially to visionaries.
While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, nor do I have any resemblence to any mom you ever met. Mike Smith
Many thanks for the kind thoughts. Perhaps some other visionary publishing company might like to hire me! (Doesn’t seem real likely.) John Likakis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John: I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regrets and disappointment with the present management of Abenaki Publishing’s decision to cancel publication of Warm Water Flyfishing Magazine. I believe it to be a very grave error in judgment on their part. While fly fishing for warm water species has been a sporting activity for quite some time, your dedication and enthusiasm to popularizing this sport, beginning with your publication of the 8 WT. Journal, should, no less than leave you a chapter in the history of the great sport of flyfishing. It is a crying shame that the prophetic vision of your creative spirit, combined with shared vision and support of the previous CEO of Abenaki publishing, should be relaced by such ineptitude and lack of vision. Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. I hope that your chapter in history is not closed!!!
John: I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regrets and disappointment with the present management of Abenaki Publishing’s decision to cancel publication of Warm Water Flyfishing Magazine. I believe it to be a very grave error in judgment on their part. While fly fishing for warm water species has been a sporting activity for quite some time, your dedication and enthusiasm to popularizing this sport, beginning with your publication of the 8 WT. Journal, should, no less than leave you a chapter in the history of the great sport of flyfishing. It is a crying shame that the prophetic vision of your creative spirit, combined with shared vision and support of the previous CEO of Abenaki publishing, should be relaced by such ineptitude and lack of vision. Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. I hope that your chapter in history is not closed!!!
Im looking for website’s and any other information on the purchase of an 8 foot Pram for Flyfishing. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Tight Lines, Ernest V
There is a company called Spring Creek on Bainbridge Island who sells an 8′ pram which is the best I’ve seen. 49" beam 16" freeboard, fiberglass, 65#. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Im looking for website’s and any other information on the purchase of an 8 foot Pram for Flyfishing. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Tight Lines, Ernest V
Hi! I am wondering if anyone has ever used the Gorilla and Sons Vise you see in all the fly fishing and fly tying magazines. I am asking if anyone has ever used this v vise and if it has good hook holding power and how it d does VS. the Thompson "A" vise. Wich one would you reccomend is a better beginner vise THANKS! Dolph
The Gorilla vise is junk- mine wouldn’t even assemble. Evan
To acheive the level of net_notoriety that took T-Bone so long to get in such a short timeframe, then leave!
Somebody tell George to change his name to GBone and keep posting. Mitch
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Donald Phillipson writes: Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. . . . My time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’. . . . Since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. . . . I’m quite glad to see the back of someone so so hostile he will talk to no one unwilling to have his lights punched out for thinking differently, and so conceited he offers to "resign" from a newsgroup open to all, where he finds the majority "vicious" (twice.)
I for one am sorry to see George go. Once I got used to his way of presenting himself it was obvious he had a different point of view, was not afraid to express it and was a bit of a character- therefore adding an entertainment factor. Outside of the diatribes, his input certainly had value. However, seems like George is a bit split and one minute is fine and the next raging. Can’t follow that too well. I think George needs to develop a thicker skin and to stop reading each post as an attack of some sort. Some of the things he would go off on were pretty mild at best, I thought. Too bad he can’t seem to develop a perspective on this type of forum. $0.02 Jon
Goodbye and good riddance you pompous piece of shit. You aint no Jesus Christ, you aint no Joan of Arc and nobody around here cares much about your free roaming reputation. You libertarian lunatics are all alike, ignorant robber baron wanna-bes who’d be rich and famous if the guvmint would just stay the hell out of things and let the mythical free market run its course. I got news for you pal, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that the "pilot fish" have made a fortune in fly fishing and you’re a miserable bitter failure. Deal with it. — Ken Fortenberry
The yuppy bastards have won.
Oh, but give them a few decades and they’ll surely become the nasty old bastards that we all know and love. Besides, Mr. Gehrke will be back. Woods Hole, MA USA
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, really. I had a *very* personal stake in the Oklahoma bombing. The paranoid rantings of George Gerhke could have been pulled, word for word, from Timothy McVay’s diary. The militant right has promised to strike again. When they pull the next little girl out from under the rubble, I’ll be damn sure my business proceeds didn’t promote the tragedy. I don’t care if Gink can float a spark plug, I won’t have anything to do with it. Loon’s Aquel works better than Gink anyway -More serious than I want to be, Ralph Really ? Harry Jeez. All that work to get rid of Gink. It was worth the effort. -Ralph Really ? Harry
I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life.
Look in the mirror and call Jack Kevorkian, pal. You won’t be missed.
Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.
Dear George: Sorry to see you go… your spirit and knowledge will be missed by this lurker and fly fishing newbie. Dont’t go away mad… Stay and enjoy the madness! DawsonH
Play my way or I’ll take my ball and go home he says with a grin. Adios Mr "Professional Sportsman"! I wish you luck in your search for a receptive forum for your thoughts – though I can’t imagine where that might be (short of the Natl. Enquirer et al, or the lobotomy ward). I guess since he resigned he’ll never see this though…right? cheers from an "average-stupid-vicious-natured" (translation: I disagree with his bullshit) -tgades
Toche’ Tony… I suppose that given the fact that I to am an "average-stupid- vicous-natured" lady or gentleman, I guess I was to brain-dead to muster up the energy to try and respond to the mostly well balanced and centered ideals this "gentleman sport" was kind enough to grace this list with. I also suppose my dendrites and synapses would go all a-flutter in a mis-firing symphony of confusion and melencholy when I would read this most astute man’s well informed observations. I too will soarly miss the "big old malcontented opinionated moiling mass of discust and negetive energy". We’ll miss you on the bully pulpit George BRUNO
Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.
Oh NO! And after all we did to make you feel welcome here?!? Some of you that will rejoice because you are the ones who hate superiority, kindess, originality, and pure genius.
Uh oh, Eugene…Here we go again: "superiority"? "pure genius"? Who – YOU? George, do you actually read this stuff before you click on the Send button? Do you have any notion of the bombastic content of just that single sentence? Do you *really* believe that anyone can read this type of content and not be immediately disgusted? You, are the ones who feed upon others because you are failures.
Um, yeah, right…I’ll match my patents with you anytime, George… To T-bone and those like him, and including England, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Russia, Japan, Alaska, Canada, and all my other Net corresponding friends, I say a fond ado. You have my e-mail address and serious business discussions here may be answered as I see fit to respond.
I’ll keep my curiosity about how this love affair between you and our good friend Mr. Walker got started in abatement – but who are these other people you listed? Mr. England? Mr. Australia? They all sound like countries to me… Otherwise, my time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’.
You’re pushing my good nature to the absolute limit, George… Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of.
Wrong, George – and thank goodness, I say! Fly Fishing is no longer the sole province of the wealthy such as yourself, George. The common folk are now able to enjoy this same sport – which I suspect is what *really* rankles you. It’s clear that you just can’t face the fact that the underclass has access to the same water that you used to call your own. And not that it’s important, but many of us can probably cover more water from a given position than you – and using equipment that you’d probably turn your royal snoot up at… You see, George, the bottom line is this: you have no more a God Given Right to enjoy Fly Fishing than anyone else with a pulse. Get used to it, George. It’s Reality – like it or not. Usenet is for Just Plain Folkes, too, and if you can’t handle that, don’t let the virtual door hit you on your ass on the way out… I am tired of others taking ideas and turning them into their ideas. This ‘Free Roaming Shark’ once again, had to carry too many ‘Pilot Fish’ who want nothing in life but a free ride on another’s talents.
Where the heck does *that* come from? First of all, in your short sojourn in this group, I’ve yet to read a *single unique idea* in your posts – that can be substantiated. Given your incredible self aggrandizement, it’s hard to accept any of your claims at face value. And in any case, you certainly didn’t propose anything that any intelligent well-read individual would call earth shattering. Methinks paranoia is getting the better of you… Since it was the majority that crucified Jesus Christ and who Burned Joan of Ark at the stake . . .
Geezus, there’s no end to the bombast and arrogance, is there? If you’re in any way, no matter how remotely, comparing yourself to either of the above, you are a *very sick individual* indeed, in immediate need of counseling… I do not intend to be a sick majorities band-wagon. Lee Wulff wouldn’t stand for it, Charlie Brooks wouldn’t stand for it, and I won’t stand for it.
Here’s another nasty habit of yours that I suspect has turned off anyone who might have wanted to support you here: your incessant name dropping. Frankly, the way *you* do it, it’s sickening. My father and his FF cohorts fished with many of the greats of their time – but they *never* mention it unless asked, and even then they were reluctant to continue at any length. You, on the other hand, have this particularly obnoxious habit of flinging names out at the drop of a hat, as if invoking those ghosts will support your self-proclaimed greatness. It doesn’t work for you, George. It’s revolting… You are not the equal of Lee Wulff. You are not the equal of Charles Brooks. You are not the equal of Charles Ritz. And I wager that if they were here to listen to your self-aggrandizing puffery, they’d whack you upside the head – repeatedly – with an empty Bourbon bottle… So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand.
Well, *there’s* a well thought out presentation: you roar in here like you invented ROFF (of course, many if not most of us have been here for YEARS), insult (from afar, mind you) those that don’t agree with your every thought, and then you follow it with threats of physical violence! Remarkable. You are truly amazing… George, I can’t believe you’re really this idiotic, so you *must* have been drunk when you wrote this… I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits.
There you go again, George. My guess is that Mr. Wayne wouldn’t have let you shine his shoes, never mind speak for him. Here’s a quarter – buy a clue: we don’t give two roadkilled rats about who you claim to have known. I have read an extensive collection of first printings authored by some of the people whose names you unrepentently fling about, and amazingly – you’re NEVER MENTIONED… That said, some of us *were* interested in the (very few) thoughts you expressed that were *actually germaine to fly fishing*. But in your own, inimitable fashion, you managed to immediately turn us off with your incredible display of poor communication skills. And, for what it’s worth, I notice that ROFF isn’t the only conference where you’ve exhibited your lack of tact – in fact it seems that wherever you go, you just can’t seem to check your arrogance at the door before entering. Work on it, George… This group doesn’t deserve me.
After this diatribe you’ve gifted us with, with your true colors flying, you leave us no doubt that you’re more right than you know… It was fun for a while T-bone. You and I could have been great friends. You, I understand. But, you can have them. They’re all yours!
fwiw: I invite Mr. Walker to grace me with a private email on what good he saw in you. After giving it the time it deserves (we’re talking *many* places to the right of the decimal point) it escapes me completely… I’ll miss the few good souls standing on the side-lines. Whoever, they are. I have a business to run and my business is no one elses business. Just don’t have any more time to waste here.
As we have no more time to waste listening to you stroke yourself in public… bye Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink
CYA, George. Have fun in your next life… Sincerely yours, /dave (not monetarily wealthy, but fly fishing for 33 years leaves me rich, indeed) [Posted and Mailed]
Mr. Gehrke, … I am on a flyfishing knowledge quest and visit this site during lunch breaks. I find it very frustrating to waste my time opening a post to find some miserable little creep …..Very well put!
Resignation not accepted. Please stick around. I’m looking forward to more good info on FF no matter how it’s delivered. JD.
[talk about lunatic raving...deleted] fwiw: I invite Mr. Walker to grace me with a private email on what good he saw in you. After giving it the time it deserves (we’re talking *many* places to the right of the decimal point) it escapes me completely…
What I saw in George Gerhke ? Love of all things wild and disgust in most things people. TimW I also saw someone handling a loaded weapon a little carelessly, [that of the power of the net and the printed word]. Instead of being even a little tolerant, we fire off 3 page diatribes calling him an asshole. How would YOU respond ? Probably just like George.
Mr. Gehrke, I have tried to stay out of the discussions where you have been flamed. I am on a flyfishing knowledge quest and visit this site during lunch breaks. I find it very frustrating to waste my time opening a post to find some miserable little creep who is hiding behind the distance of his connection has nothing better to do than take negative swipes at other people. I have always tried to return to the community as much as I take from it and therefore have involved myself in my son’s activities (ie. coaching, coordination, etc.) have been involved in a prfessional society (secretary) and am currently involved with a local fly fishing club. In every aspect of life I keep finding these misearble loser shits who think they have control by stonewalling others. They are losers in all aspects of life but spend their entire lives trying to convince themselves they are the best. Only they don’t know the truth. Good luck in your future endevours Mr. Gehrke. To those who know only how to criticize and not how to contribute, get lost. Go somewhere where you can kiss each others asses, and let the rest of us continue in our knowledge quest. B.
Hey George! As a sideliner, I’m disappointed in your decision. I enjoy reading fly fishing opinions and advice given by you, and others. It always amazes me that so many peope write stuff they would never say face to face. Simply being civil to one another should be our minimum standard. Please remember that you too may be guilty of crossing that line, regardless of whether you crossed it first or just "rose to the bait.". Stick around! We need a wide range of folks to keep things interesting. Regards, Joe Andras – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. Some of you that will rejoice because you are the ones who hate superiority, kindess, originality, and pure genius. You, are the ones who feed upon others because you are failures. To T-bone and those like him, and including England, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Russia, Japan, Alaska, Canada, and all my other Net corresponding friends, I say a fond ado. You have my e-mail address and serious business discussions here may be answered as I see fit to respond. Otherwise, my time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’. Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of. I am tired of others taking ideas and turning them into their ideas. This ‘Free Roaming Shark’ once again, had to carry too many ‘Pilot Fish’ who want nothing in life but a free ride on another’s talents. Since it was the majority that crucified Jesus Christ and who Burned Joan of Ark at the stake . . . I do not intend to be a sick majorities band-wagon. Lee Wulff wouldn’t stand for it, Charlie Brooks wouldn’t stand for it, and I won’t stand for it. So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits. This group doesn’t deserve me. It was fun for a while T-bone. You and I could have been great friends. You, I understand. But, you can have them. They’re all yours! I’ll miss the few good souls standing on the side-lines. Whoever, they are. I have a business to run and my business is no one elses business. Just don’t have any more time to waste here. bye Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink
Goodbye and good riddance you pompous piece of shit. You aint no Jesus Christ, you aint no Joan of Arc and nobody around here cares much about your free roaming reputation. You libertarian lunatics are all alike, ignorant robber baron wanna-bes who’d be rich and famous if the guvmint would just stay the hell out of things and let the mythical free market run its course. I got news for you pal, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that the "pilot fish" have made a fortune in fly fishing and you’re a miserable bitter failure. Deal with it. — Ken Fortenberry
Hey Ken , now, how do you really feel ? 
Harry
George, stick with it. IMHO newsgroups are like anything else electronic: if you don’t like what the dopes say, turn them off; in this case, don’t read their drivel. It’s a pain in the ass to have all that spam clogging the group, but it seems to be everywhere on the net these days. – MM
If I walked into a party and saw George across the room, and I would see him, as assuredly as I’d spot a toupee on a bald man, I’d be only too happy to give him a wide berth. We’re known by our words. Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.[snip] Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of.[snip] So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits.
Mitch
Well damn George, this is kind of a hit and run. To acheive the level of net_notoriety that took T-Bone so long to get in such a short timeframe, then leave, just won’t do ! You’ve shown an amazing talent for spawning impassioned discussion, for better or for worse, and have certainly established yourself as one of the more enigmatic posters I’ve read here and on alt.fishing back when. Your combination of fly fishing tradition and redneck sensibility leaves me with a vision of a guy in a tweed coat getting into a brawl in a seedy bar – it seems inconguous to me, but perhaps it’s just your writing style. Many of us have been on here for quite a few years, so we have a pretty good feel for each others’ personalities, etc. In reading your posts I always figured that in time I’d be able to figure out where your were coming from (T-Bone has always been much more perceptive than me , but your decision to head out leaves me thinking "Who was that guy anyways ?" Whether or not those here can call themselves "Fly Fishermen" is certainly not up to you, me or anyone else. You have to assume than we all log off these infernal machines and go out where you can actually breathe, that there is a fire that burns that transcends even politics. We notice the rings on a puddle of water we drive by at 90 MPH and wonder what did that. While our thoughts when not fishing may be more focussed on our differences than our similarities I think that’s normal in a forum like this. Anyway, I think you need to spend a lot more time here before you can make sweeping condemnations, but that’s my view and YMMV. For what it’s worth, you somehow managed to quickly establish yourself as a target here, and let’s face it, we fish because we’re predators :- If someone rises to your presentation you’re obligated to set the hook. Well Gee George, I rambled on almost as much as you did. You’re a strange guy George, or maybe you’re not, I can’t tell. Best of luck, jc
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. . . . My time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’. . . . Since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. . . . I’m quite glad to see the back of someone so so hostile he will talk to no one unwilling to have his lights punched out for thinking differently, and so conceited he offers to "resign" from a newsgroup open to all, where he finds the majority "vicious" (twice.) — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I found George’s resignation note to be eloquent in the extreme. It takes real talent to write a good resignation. If I’m any judge of character, we’ll be reading many more resignations from George from this news group in the future. If George is anything, he’s a very hard working guy. I’m sure his future resignations will be even better! I look forward to them. zeno
: bye : : : Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Too bad, George. I seem to find many fishermen cantancerous (I wish I’d learned to spell engineer), but I manage to try to get along with as many as I can and I’m not the easiest, either, to get along with (ask my wife). I find, George, there are times to tease (with caution), and times to use private mail. Stick around, George. I may not agree with every thing you state, but, I can always "kill" your messages if I tire of them. Every one has a vote, including T-Bone. Be tough and Lurk for a while to see if it quiets down, then re-enter with caution. Keep ‘em dry, — keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer/Gehrke’s Gink Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.
Well, Play my way or I’ll take my ball and go home he says with a grin. Adios Mr "Professional Sportsman"! I wish you luck in your search for a receptive forum for your thoughts – though I can’t imagine where that might be (short of the Natl. Enquirer et al, or the lobotomy ward). I guess since he resigned he’ll never see this though…right? cheers from an "average-stupid-vicious-natured" (translation: I disagree with his bullshit) -tgades —
In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent.
Great 
I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather.
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff
July Issue
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Great I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather. It’s not that bad. The Conejos has lots of fishable water, and there are better fishing spots in the higher streams, anyway. I doubt that people will flock to Conejos County anyway, as it is not on the way to anywhere, and pretty far from a major metropolitan area.
Like the uh, San Juan ? or the uh, Green ? or the uh, North Platte ? or the uh, Bighorn ? I think your favorite secret is safe for the time being.
No it’s not. It is under attack. TimW
Sure. I did it last month and had a blast! You can read a more extended description at the following URL:
I enjoyed reading your story. We used to stay at Magote Meadows too. Grandpa had a travel trailer and we stayed in the RV park there. My grandfather fished that river every summer from the early 70s until he died 2 years ago, and he was preparing to go back even then. I have some of the best memories of my life up there. Bruce Wedding
Mark: for the latest fishing conditions on the Conejos check www.thereellife.com/reellife/ Manuel Monasterio The Reel Life
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus
Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff
[some deleted] But the attitude by these anglers was" I caught and released that fish on a real artificial fly (probably a chartreuse egg pattern with attractant sprayed on it ) with a 2 lb tippet. So I must be a better sportsmen then the guy in the lawn chair." This is nothing but alot of Crap in my book.
I sense and share your frustration Mike. Hang tough and keep up the good work. TimW
The driving force behind this definition was to eliminate the use of premolded scented baits (berkely power eggs) that were LEGALLY artificial until January of this year.
That is definitely a point we have to keep in mind. The message that started this thread made all sorts of dire pronouncements that any artificial material would be prohibited in fishing. As several people pointed out, that pretty much eliminates steel hooks, synthetic yarn, nylon monofilament leaders and much of what we use to fish with. It’s also the exact opposite of what was really being proposed. Let’s leave off the alarmist garbage and deal with the real issues. The worm fisherman is no more or less holy than we of the exalted fly genre. Different people enjoy different types of fishing and different waters require different regulations. The real question is whether Power Eggs(tm) and the like constitute some sort of unfair advantage in certain waters or are conducive to higher mortality through deep hooking. That’s presumably why we pay big bucks to marine biologists to set these policies. — | Liberty Communications — Spreading the Word | | Michael P. Thompson |
snip The real question is whether Power Eggs(tm) and the like constitute some sort of unfair advantage in certain waters or are conducive to higher mortality through deep hooking. That’s presumably why we pay big bucks to marine biologists to set these policies.
snip I’m not sure I understand the concept of "unfair advantage" when it comes to fishing. The first thing that came to mind was some fly fishermen being upset about bait working better (I know that’s not what you meant Michael). Ross Wilson
Mike, I think there’s no doubt that a 3-inch Power Tube is an "artificial" under the new regulations. If it were less than 1.5 inches it would not be an artificial. After thinking more about your posts, however, I guess I’ve come around to your view that the new regs won’t cover a variety of possible situations, especially ones where there is scented material made part of a lure or fly over 1.5 inches long. Best wishes. Jeff
Let’s leave off the alarmist garbage and deal with the real issues. The worm fisherman is no more or less holy than we of the exalted fly genre. Different people enjoy different types of fishing and different waters require different regulations.
Except the worm fishermen doesn’t lobby, pressure, or persuade those that we pay the big bucks to exclude the flyfishermen from their preferred methods of enjoyment. respectfully, Mike Miller
if it weren’t for the greedy flyfishing industry, this would not even be an issue..IMHO..protectionism… TimW
Greed……no doubt, but I suspect more than just the Fly – fishing industry regards, Mike
Ok Jeff, so answer this question please, Can you or can you not fish with a 3" BERKLEY POWER TUBE? regards, Mike
if it weren’t for the greedy flyfishing industry, this would not even be an issue..IMHO..protectionism… TimW Greed……no doubt, but I suspect more than just the Fly – fishing industry
Why would any other group *care* about a flyfishing only definition ? TimW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if it weren’t for the greedy flyfishing industry, this would not even be an issue..IMHO..protectionism… TimW Greed……no doubt, but I suspect more than just the Fly – fishing industry Why would any other group *care* about a flyfishing only definition ? TimW
The driving force behind this definition was to eliminate the use of premolded scented baits (berkely power eggs) that were LEGALLY artificial until January of this year. Spinney Mountain Res. was the focus of much of the debate. As you probably know Spinney is managed as "Gold Medal" Water with artificial fly & lure only tackle restrictions and a one fish over 20" bag limit and the canyon recently had Gold Medal regulations extended to the dam. My reference to purists, elitists, attitudes comes from experience fishing these waters and a witness to the debates over the issue at the commission meetings. On opening day 1995 at Spinney, there was a gentlemen fishing with power eggs. He had brought along the lawn chair and 4 young children. This guy caught about 6 trout that day on his chartreuse colored power eggs allowing each of the kids an opportunity to bring one in. He kept one and as far as I could tell no harm came to the fish he released. But this guy came under heavy and constant critizism from the crowd (who were primarily fishless) because in their *holier than thou minds* he was a scondrel for using such a bait (although technically he was not breaking any laws.) Now, I will not dispute the fact that PASSIVELY fishing such a bait will probably kill alot of fish that by law have to be released. But at Spinney I have witnessed many a fine fish played to exhaustion, kept out of the water for extreme periods of time, (for the picture ceremony) dropped on the rocks a couple of times, drug along the bank in the sand, and kicked back into the water because it was only 19 7/8" long. But the attitude by these anglers was" I caught and released that fish on a real artificial fly (probably a chartreuse egg pattern with attractant sprayed on it ) with a 2 lb tippet. So I must be a better sportsmen then the guy in the lawn chair." This is nothing but alot of Crap in my book. regards, Mike Miller
I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this. The intent of the Colorado’s definition of what constitutes an *artificial* fly or lure was simply to eliminate scented baits, such as power baits & eggs. Unfortunately the wording is very confusing and I think the C.D.O.W. doesn’t totallly understand what they have said. It will probably be un – enforceable except for the obvious infractions.
I was surprised (not pleasantly) to notice that Mike Miller was the only one of the many who commented on this who seemed to have actually read the regulation. Most others assumed that what Paul had "just heard" was the gospel truth, then proceeded to denigrate the DOW for being so asinine. It is pretty obvious that very few contemporary fishing flies could be tied without using artificial or synthetic materials. Even rayon thread would be prohibited by such a regulation. Besides, it would be virtually unenforceable and bad for public relations. To prohibit artificial material from an artificial lure such as a fly is counter to the whole idea behind bait regulations. They generally seek to limit the use of live bait and artificial substances which simulate live bait (such as power bait, etc.). It would not make sense for anyone to prohibit the use of artificial materials in an artificial lure. People would have to start carving their bass plugs out of wood again. My point is, on the face of it, this "report" of what Paul had "heard" is not credible and needs to be checked out before we go griping about what stupidity the DOW is currently engaged in. — | Liberty Communications — Spreading the Word | | Michael P. Thompson |
J Let’s not forget that what they are *trying* to do is to find a J definition that excludes powerbait and its related "scented lure" J products. A good point. Trying is the operative word here and sloppy legislation does not a good bill make. Having lived in Denver for two years, I applaud setting waters aside for bait (power bait, although synthetic, is still bait IMHO) and artificial approaches. Heck, I _enjoy_ bait fishing once or twice a year for stockies. As a lifelong redneck I have drown my share of worms and crickets and defend anyone’s right to do so. It is up to the folks at wildlife to make sure that catch and keep does not endanger wild fish. Well, there’s my opinion anyway. But thanks for your post! Trey Monroe
For example, I’ve fallen in love with the Stimulator this year… it has brought some very large fish to shore. Why? Is it a caddis imitation or a stone fly imitation? I say neither… it’s probably that orange piece in the front of the fly that looks like a Salmon Egg to the fish. A Stimulator doesn’t closely imitate anything in the water, but sure catches some large fish.
A salmon egg floating on the surface being eaten by what? The Stimulator has the classic profile of both fluttering caddis and stones. Further, how does your egg theory explain the success of the same fly with olive, peacock, and tan thorax regions?
: A salmon egg floating on the surface being eaten by what? The Stimulator : has the classic profile of both fluttering caddis and stones. Further, : how does your egg theory explain the success of the same fly with olive, : peacock, and tan thorax regions? For me, they haven’t been nearly as effective as the orange color. And I’m not certain the color triggers anything near a salmon egg… perhaps it looks like a big eye. My point is that there are better imitations of the things you mention, but the Stimmy works well, often better. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
if it weren’t for the greedy flyfishing industry, this would not even be an issue..IMHO..protectionism… TimW
Someone who has the new regulations, please read them and tell me if a 1.6 inch artificial Power Worm is artificial under the new regulation. My reading suggests that they are to be considered "artificial"
This issue arose at Spinney Mountain on opening day 1996, several individuals were using 3" Berkley Power Tubes. They looked identical to other tube jigs (i.e. gitizits). The State Parks law enforcement officer explained to me that according to his instructions they were lega, stating they were over 1 1/2". Also a DOW officer checked these fishermen and did not issue a citation or stop them from being used. However, I contacted the DOW on this issue and at least one official said "no way, they cannot be used and that all power bait is illegal. " As I stated in a previous post, except for obvious infractions (power eggs) this law will be un-enforcable. Even the DOW is confused. regards, Mike Miller
I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
No Colorado didn’t. I think I’ve heard that F&W is discussing not allowing power bait and other non-natural baits to be fished in the artificals only waters.
I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
Know any suppliers of barbless *bone* hooks?? — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.
: I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not : use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, : it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this. Interesting, and really raises some issues. For example, I’ve fallen in love with the Stimulator this year… it has brought some very large fish to shore. Why? Is it a caddis imitation or a stone fly imitation? I say neither… it’s probably that orange piece in the front of the fly that looks like a Salmon Egg to the fish. A Stimulator doesn’t closely imitate anything in the water, but sure catches some large fish. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
The intent of the Colorado’s definition of what constitutes an *artificial* fly or lure was simply to eliminate scented baits, such as power baits & eggs. Unfortunately the wording is very confusing and I think the C.D.O.W. doesn’t totallly understand what they have said. It will probably be un – enforceable except for the obvious infractions. It says something like anything less than 1 1/2 inches long cannot be made out of *plastic* or scented material. The question that has come up is what if it is over 1 1/2 inches long (Berkley Power Tubes for example) or if it is under 1 1/2inches does this exclude *foam* or even plastic tube jigs (unscented)? And can you add scent to a fly or lure less than 1 1/2 "? regards, Mike Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
(PaulS41846) writes: I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
Does that mean the hook has to be made from a thorn? Steel was synthetic the last time I looked. Don Burns
(PaulS41846) writes: I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this.
Oh Yeah! Another reason to simply quit ffing and take up something else (billiards comes immediately to mind….) With all the problems facing the resource, and the sport in general, now the gov is picking at minutea (sp?). The saddest part is that an early and powerful proponent of synth materials for flies, John Betts, lives in Denver. If there is some percieved ecological threat with these materials why didn’t they look at those GD’d foam bobbers (strike indicators) that litter our streams too! Does that mean the hook has to be made from a thorn? Steel was synthetic the last time I looked.
Good Point <G! Sounds like our politicians are doing their best to screw everything up as usual. Like with the Rimm Report! </chaz (not Sue)
P I just heard that the state of Colorado has decided that flies should not P use any artificial (synthetic) materials. If it uses such things as foam, P it is a bait and not a fly. Any comments about this. Hmm, if it isn’t or hasn’t been alive and uses only sight attraction, not smell to attract fish, and you can cast it with a fly rod, that’s close enough to a fly for me. Besides, if this passes, will enforcement be forced to looking through people’s fly boxes to make sure that there is no crystal flash? What about nylon thread, rayon floss, or heavens to gimbles, micro fibbets tailing! Sounds like missplaced emphasis IMHO. Trey Monroe
Power Bait on the frying pan river…? Lucky Lou’s…? Getcha thumped…that’s fer sure… In practice, there is a VERY fine line (no pun intended) between a Glo-Bug and a Lucky Lou. Or a Pittendrigh foam after a little fish slime and power bait. Or a san Juan worm and a red wriggler. It’s all in our heads man, that one is somehow better then the other…isn’t it ? What is the difference between a Kastmaster and a Zonker ? TimW (In case you think that I miss the point….) I have retrieved slimy GloBugs from the gills and gullets of bleeding trout as deeply as shore chucked pautzkees. I have had wooly worms and buggers kill fish. I have sent small trout flying into the bushes on a #14 adams on an ‘overzealous strike’. Fish die man no matter WHAT you hook ‘em on…
: What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Put a real worm on the hook of the San Juan Worm for weighting. Sink it deep. If that fails to catch fish, dynamite always works. Relax…just a joke. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?
Hi! I can tell you what the our guide on the San Juan told us about rigging for that river: At your floating flyline attach about a 6" section of rad Amensia in the middle of which you’ve attached a yarn strike indicator. The guides prefer black poly yarn and the red Amnesia enables you to see which way your leader is drifting with respect to your flyline (it should make a 90 degree bend straight down at the indicator). Then attach 9′ of level 4X leader. This is to provide the minimum resistance to the water and enbable the fly to sink as quickly as possible. 12"-18" above the end of the leader attach a size BB split shot. Attach the San Juan Worm ( Glo bug, Wooley worm, etc) and then add another 12" segement tied to the ey of the fly. (4X works, though I prefer 5X ) On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph. The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph. This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time. These settings are for the San Juan river which has 4′-10′ deep holes and a moderate current. I found that when trying to fish the very head of the pool, where the trout were coming up to pick of the incoming food, that I had to move the indicator closer to the the slip shot to get more reliable strike detection. The rig is not the most elegant in the world to cast, but it does work. I also cheated a little and put a 3 foot 3X "butt" section in place of the first 3 feet of the 4X leader to help it turn over when casting. This is not an issue when you’re in a drift boat. Good luck! Stephen Wong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?
On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph. The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph. This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time.
Interesting. I too use a varitation on the same strategy, with an attractor/non-attractor combination. I’ll compliment the color of one fly with the other. For example with a big orange scud I might use a tiny WD40 for the dropper. On the other hand, if I’m fishing a red San Juan worm, I’ll choose an olive-colored scud for the dropper. — -Wayne Trzyna
I will be in the Fort Meyers and Naples area in June. Any suggestions as to guides that have experience and interest in fly fishing. Also any areas that I could try without a guide and suggested flies. Thanks-Alex
Doug Swisher and Capt Bob Marvin run a saltwater flyfishing school and also guide out of Naples. I’ve fished with both and they are super to spend a day on the water with. Doug goes back to trout in the summer months, but Capt Bob fishes there all year. call Naples information for Doug Swisher or bob Marvin. you’ll have a ball. Reed