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Kitchen rug greeblings?

admin — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

Evil, Karen, eeevill (snicker) — Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore. Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

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Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Dear Miss Christina, We are the greebling experts! You can trust us kitties. You can’t trust your poor weak hoomin eyes. Believe me, they can get anywhere. They change shape, and get flat, or long or whatever they need to do to hide from you. But we can see ‘em, hear ‘em and smell ‘em. Please don’t take any risks with those horrid greeblings just waiting around to take over the house– or fly down your throat when you’re sleeping! Eeeww! I get all creepy just thinking about it. Believe me, I know it’s not yours or my mommy’s faults that you can’t see them. You just have to relax and let us do our jobs. We’ll take care of everything. Love, Stinky Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Boyfriend is right. We have rug greeblings in the kitchen and the family room. Sometimes I have to move the entire rug back to get to them. Meowmy will come home and find the kitchen rug upside down and in the dining room, but she doesn’t find greeblings. That’s because I ate them all. Boyfriend is doing the right thing. Samuel R. Thunderpaws The Great Greebling Hunter

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When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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OH MY!!!! I’d compleetly foregotten about newspaper greeblings. But, from the state of the last newspaper I brought in the house & left on the couch when I went to work…. I think the furballs got them all. —

Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Isn’t it funny how cats will always groom themselves nonchalantly whenever they do something stupid, my dogs just used to look embarrassed,but a cat makes sure you ‘know’ he did it on purpose That was a funny story Yowie, Wilson always chased the mop when he was little, it was especially funny when he chased the polish mop, he would skid everywhere. Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free. Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings.

Ah now I see! They’d be under the floorboards in my place though, and anywhere in the house when the gat needs to go the toilet, he does a loud howl and runs around like a maniac then does his business, odd creature!

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Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the- kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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L O Nina & Francesca I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen. I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job. She sed its a deal. I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away. She say you will be busier dan me. Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I? I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose. Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen. I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job. She sed its a deal. I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away. She say you will be busier dan me. Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I? I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose. Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings.

Boyfriend, You are the dearest little fellow. I send you special skritches from across the sea. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?

Is there ever! They belong to the family of under-the-rug greeblings, and Mere has been showing me how lacking Frank and Nikki have been lately in hunting them. It seems that they have let the greeblings multiply enormously, though Nikki does hunt them half-heartedly every now and then. However, Mere is on their case, and is taking care that they (the greeblings) keep on their toes. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are greeblings? Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yes, and that’s why Nina was making it virtually impossible to put clean sheets on my bed, yesterday. =o) She was having a grand Greebling hunt. Melissa

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If I ever see one, I’ll let you know. (Actually, only cats can see these mysterious creatures). MLB

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What are greeblings?

Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

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They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings. — CATherine

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free. Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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small but significant step

admin — Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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A few months back I shared the news about having found another job, after losing one just a few months prior. Things are going pretty well as far as the actual work part goes, not too difficult from a physical standpoint and enough weekends to save my ass before it falls off. The really good news is that I got a fabulous 6 month evaluation (public employment..) and I am now a permanent staff member. In the summer of ‘98 when I fell apart, it never occurred to me that I might be where I am now. After all by the summer of ‘99 , I was barely walking and most days were about 2 hours long. Things just didn’t look all that promising, if you know what I mean. With a lot of adaptation, some pharmaceutical intervention and a little luck, I was able to crawl through the process of re-training, and then actually staying together long enough to find a job in a crappy job market. Dang. My ms has basically simmered and not boiled over for some time now. I am convinced that copaxone has made a big difference for me, as well as a lot of other stuff. A good marriage, I can still can ride a motorcycle (in fact just got a new one see http://colevalley.net/photos/bikes/03yam/yam.02.jpg), I still can fly-fish, and even go for walks in the park. Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, but overall I just have to say that I will probably look back on this time of my life as the good old days. Of course things won’t always be this rosy but for now , I will take it. — Jim S

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In , jim s said: > Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I > had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon,

Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. :-)

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Michael wrote: > In , > jim s said: >>Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I >>had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, > Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. :-)

Don’t most of them live with their elderly mothers, on a lonely highway somewhere south of Austin, Nevada? — Jim Stinnett R1100Rs VTR1000 YZF R1 http://moto-rama,com

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In , jim s said: > Michael wrote: >> In , >> jim s said: >>> Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I >>> had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, >> Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. > Don’t most of them live with their elderly mothers, on a lonely > highway somewhere south of Austin, Nevada?

They only call those old ladies "mom" for the benefit of police and social workers.

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We are all very happy for you and hope things continue to go well It sounds like good things are happening — may they continue Do not pass any around, but to cover all bases I have included — some cyber smoked steelhead — some cyber salmon jerky — five cyber pounds of dark chocolate because everyone on this newsgroup knows that dark chocolate is healthy for you You can be sure that we all recognize and appreciate where you are at now from where you used to be and everything that goes with it Congratulations — thanks for keeping us informed — may things continue to go well for you we all are all sharing in your good fortune — Larry Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written using voice recognition software "jim s" wrote > Of course things won’t always be this rosy but for now , I will take it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Jim S

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"jim s" wrote I can still can ride a motorcycle > (in fact just got a new one see > http://colevalley.net/photos/bikes/03yam/yam.02.jpg), > Jim S

Jim, youre in far to poor a condition to ride a motorcycle like that, I think you need to hand that over to someone like me who can take care of it for you. ;^) Thats a sweet looking ride my man. Nice. Very nice. I must have dropped my Sporty 50 times before I finally bought crash-bars for it, and, of course, havent really droped it once since. Aint that how life goes though? Rob

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hi jim, may the dead-salmon-and-novocaine days be few, and the tires-hitting-the-road days many! continued good fortune, rose

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"Rob Duncan" wrote in > Thats a sweet looking ride my man. Nice. Very nice. I must have dropped > my Sporty 50 times before I finally bought crash-bars for it, and, of > course, havent really droped it once since. Aint that how life goes

though? Yeah…what’s up with that? Maybe it’s a karmic insurance policy! vroom. Jim S

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"white.lynx" wrote in message > Do not pass any around,

but to cover all bases I have included > — some cyber smoked steelhead > — some cyber salmon jerky > — five cyber pounds of dark chocolate because everyone on this newsgroup > knows that dark chocolate is healthy for you > You can be sure that we all recognize and appreciate where you are at now > from where you used to be and everything that goes with it

I love chocolate, enough that it rivals some of the other rather important things, like breathing…:) Jim

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eBay's PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments – AGAIN!!

admin — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home page up Rob sig always 99p bargains going here nike , next , m+s , leather jacket 99p http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=…

EBay’s PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments Mon Oct 11, 8:30 PM ET Technology – Internet Report By Lisa Baertlein

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041012/wr_nm/tech_ebay_… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – EBay Inc.’s online payment service PayPal has suffered intermittent glitches since late last week, locking some users out of their accounts for long stretches and making it difficult for some online sellers to complete deals, the company and users said on Monday. The online payment problem came at the start of eBay’s (Nasdaq:EBAY – news) seasonally biggest quarter for revenues and roughly four months after the company apologized for a run of billing and search snafus that disrupted some of the auction site’s most dedicated sellers. EBay on Monday said it was working to fix the recent PayPal problems, which have affected payments, log-ins and account creation. "We are working furiously. … We have all resources dedicated to getting it fixed as soon as possible," PayPal spokeswoman Amanda Pires told Reuters. "We haven’t found the ultimate cause," said Pires, who added that the problem appeared to be related to a coding update late on Thursday. It was not immediately clear how widespread the problems were, although eBay’s message boards were filled with postings about the PayPal glitches. Michael Bokan, of West Charlton, New York, told Reuters PayPal usually processes 5 to 10 payments a day on orders from his fly-fishing equipment Web site FlyShack.com. Bokan, who said he can see payment requests being sent to PayPal, said no payments came through on Friday, less than half than normal were processed over the weekend and just one was processed on Monday. "It’s messing things up," said one San Francisco-based PayPal user who spoke on condition he not be named. He said payments were "trickling in" to his account, although confirmation e-mails from PayPal were not. Users also complained they were unable to withdraw money from their PayPal accounts or to use their PayPal debit cards. "I can’t get paid, can’t ship and can’t get to my own money," a PayPal user wrote in a posting on eBay’s message boards. EBay has been integrating PayPal tightly into its site since it purchased the company in 2002. For example, the company added a feature to its popular "Buy It Now" function that allows sellers to accept immediate payment only through PayPal. PayPal boasted 50.4 million accounts at the end of the second quarter, during which it processed $4.4 billion in payments. Shares in eBay closed $1.14 higher at $93.73 on Monday on the Nasdaq stock exchange.

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

In all fairness, I would love to know of any programmer out there that could make even the slightest change to a system the size of eBay’s or PayPal’s, serving over 100 million pages per day, without some glitches. My hat is off to both eBay and PayPal. They did a fantastic job. SB

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW probably got some bodger in with a pirate copy of dreamweaver.

Of course not a PIRATE copy. A HONG KONG copy…bought on eBay of course =)

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Anyone here like to fish? (off topic)

admin — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >Does this make a person a redneck or something?

No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. lm

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"Don" wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. So I can’t go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. -phy

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lm wrote in news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion {Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} "We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" "The truth about Packer’s Fans." "Go Packers!". — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >lm wrote in >news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >> lm >MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >"Go Packers!".

Do you extract these things from memory or from google? lm

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phy wrote in news:Xns957255878F8FDphy00xyahoocom@216.168.3.44: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: >> I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >> anymore. >> Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have > been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use > to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see > some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. > -phy

I lost patience when I was about 5 years of age. Never looked back. Also I noticed that cutting fish open is really gross–hard to believe how much dissection I’ve done. — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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lm wrote in news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > wrote: >>lm wrote in >>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>anymore. >>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>> lm >>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>"Go Packers!". > Do you extract these things from memory or from google? > lm

Memory, mostly. If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over & over, especially MST3K. Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons though. But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode "Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:37:40 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >lm wrote in >news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> wrote: >>>lm wrote in >>>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>>anymore. >>>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>>> lm >>>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >>>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>>"Go Packers!". >> Do you extract these things from memory or from google? >> lm >Memory, mostly. If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over >& over, especially MST3K. Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons >though. But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode >"Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.

I heard the mst3k guys on npr the other day, doing a play-acting synopsis of Sky Captain and the blahblah. I don’t think their schtick works on radio so much. lm

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

Do you live in a trailer park?

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"Darkfalz" wrote in message … > "Don" wrote in message > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any > fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. > So I can’t go. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen this weekend I might go. What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

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lm wrote in message … > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > >Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

Deer season is almost an official holiday here.

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance.

No but I eat fish. Does that count? – Michaela

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JayCee wrote in message … > Don wrote: > > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > Do you live in a trailer park?

No, and my real name is not Billie Bob either!

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1 @posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I’ve been a couple of times this year to an overstocked pond. Cast the bait, wait 30 seconds, reel in the catfish. It’s what fishing was meant to be!

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> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

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Fishing is for hubbies who want to get away from the nagging wife for few hours. I’ll get into it if mine is a naggy. :)

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"Don" wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409281105.ce258e7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" wrote in message > … >> "Don" wrote in message >> news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >> >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >> I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any >> fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a >> car. >> So I can’t go. >> > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen > this weekend I might go. > What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

I dunno. Trout I think. — "Landslide for Bush/Howard 2004" – Proud right wing fascist NAZI Darkfalz

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message … > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like to fish. Can’t say that I have much luck at it. I’m like the cartoon character who casts his reel, feels a "bite", and then pulls out an old rubber boot. It seems like fishing is less popular now because the pace of life is too fast. Anything that requires much time and much patience has lost it’s appeal. I think most people just don’t have the free time to spend fishing. Unfortunately that’s true for me too. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

If it does, then I suppose I should start watching Hee Haw!

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in message … > Fishing is for hubbies who want to get away from the nagging wife for few > hours.

Ditto for golf.

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On 29 Sep 2004 02:14:09 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. >People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

Then why do you fish? lm

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Still off-topic. Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it > anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I just watched "A Perfect Storm" and got to wondering about fishing for the umpteenth time. My partner, Mike’s in the fishing industry here in Cape Town and he and all his friends love fishing. They often go away for weekends just to fish. One of Mike’s friends used to fish for a living (he still goes out to sea for work for two weeks or so every couple of months) and he would come home after being away for a month or two and go straight off for a weekend of bass/fly-fishing (not even sure if that’s the same thing). (Actually, I think his passion for fishing is what kept most of his relationships going for as long as they did. He has a tendency to get too involved too quickly and as this can sometimes scare people off, his passion for fishing would often take the pressure off the girl/ relationship.) Anyway, the reason I’m responding here is because I am wondering what the allure of fishing is. I mean, I think I understand the whole solitude/quiet thing. But that’s not enough. What else is it about? Is it something about fighting/using nature? What? – Michaela

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Cutups and Cutthroats

admin — Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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"ci+" wrote in news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: > not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring > reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such as > obsolescence

Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses!

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" in news:Xns955840562E99Ffkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >"ci+" wrote in >news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: >> not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring >> reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such >> as obsolescence > Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out > people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses!

it must be cheaper to operate than a b2. maybe the costs have been amortized or whatever. maybe it carries more tonnage than a b2? — If Tolkien didn’t want us to eat Hobbits, why did he make them of meat?

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"ci+" wrote in news:Xns95587B395BB97ci@65.245.115.2: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" in > news:Xns955840562E99Ffkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >>"ci+" wrote in >>news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: >>> not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring >>> reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such >>> as obsolescence >> Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out >> people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses! > it must be cheaper to operate than a b2. maybe the costs have been > amortized or whatever. maybe it carries more tonnage than a b2?

It was made in California…which has a large number of representatives in Congress. Other than that I can’t think of a reason why the USAF wanted a high-altitude bomber. Vested interests & entrenched beauracrats would be my guess. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" wrote in message … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cutups and Cutthroats > By MAUREEN DOWD > Published: September 2, 2004 > I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to the > side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. > But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part "Good > Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. Trying to > humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch Mr. Cheney > take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie ride and hear > how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. > Advertisement > Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." > His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of > course, it’s global domination. > It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention > time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox.

how do you make hitler funny? h

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" in news:Xns95582DA24AE22fkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cutups and Cutthroats > By MAUREEN DOWD > Published: September 2, 2004 > I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to > the side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. > But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part > "Good Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. > Trying to humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch > Mr. Cheney take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie > ride and hear how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. > Advertisement > Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." > His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of > course, it’s global domination. > It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At > convention time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe > Lunchbox. > How awkward in Columbus, when W., hanging with Jack Nicklaus, noted > that his grandfather was born there, so they should "send a homeboy > back to Washington, D.C." Do they know a homeboy from a Lawn-Boy? > How you livin’, dawg? > And speaking of dawgs, whuddup with that video of Barney debating that > French poodle Fifi Kerry about taxes? By the time the twins finished > their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl Rove and Karen Hughes > went all giddy in the sendup, the convention’s arc was clear. > Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe fears that the > Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane, turbo moments designed > to stir up fears that we won’t be safe without the Bush bullies. > Unlike the arrogant Boston Kerry strategists, who focus-grouped and > dial-a- metered their convention to death, scrubbing most of the > direct attacks on President Bush, the arrogant Austin Bush strategists > have encouraged their non-girlie-men speakers to put the pedal to the > metal and flatten the poor Democrat who is windsurfing through his > free fall. > Despite the fact that the economy is cratering, Iraq is teetering,

those 2 seem exaggerated . > Afghanistan is reverting to warlords,

is it? i think it’s had setbacks, and their citizens suffer typical human inflexibilty… guaranteeing slow social progress…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dick Cheney is glowering at the > world, the war on terror has created more acts of terror, Ahmad > Chalabi is an accused spy for Iran and the Pentagon has an accused spy > for Israel, Republicans felt so good about themselves that when Arnold > Schwarzenegger said he was inspired to become a Republican by Richard > Nixon, they exploded. When Tricky Dick is a hot applause line, they’re > feeling cocky. > Republicans are political killers. They are confident that Americans, > in a 9/11 world, are going to be more drawn to political killers who > have made some "miscalculations" on Iraq, as W. put it, than with a > shaggy-haired Vietnam War protester whom Bush 41 compares to Hanoi > Jane. >"I still have great difficulty with his coming back and making those > statements before the Congress and throwing medals away," the > president’s father told Don Imus yesterday. > Republicans know that plunging ahead with a course of action, even if > it becomes obvious it’s wrong, is an easier political sell than > flip-flopping, even if it’s right.

funny how foxnews dittohead hotheads don’t even realize that the repugs are sinking in their own quicksand… all on their own. no one is really opposing them. > When the president slipped, admitting that the war on terror is > unwinnable – perhaps recognizing that terror’s a tactic, not an enemy > – he had to be saved later by Laura Bush, who fixed his stumble into > nuance. Then Mr. Kerry made the mistake of responding in Bush > black-and-white, calling the war on terror winnable.

ha! kerry says almost nothing. bush out-bloopers kerry. which is worse? … >: > While Democrats whined about the meanies and their Swift boat attacks, > the G.O.P. juggernaut rolled on. > Zell Miller, playing Cotton Mather behind the cross-like lectern, made > Mr. Cheney seem rational, with a maniacal litany of weapons he said > Mr. Kerry had opposed that can destroy any mud hut in any third world > country: B-1 and B-2 bombers, F-14A Tomcats, F-15 Eagles, Patriot and > Trident missiles, and Aegis cruisers.

not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such as obsolescence > Just as the "third party" ad effort has been ferocious and misleading, > so have some of the attack speeches here. Dick Cheney stomped on John > Kerry the way he’s stomped on the world. In fact, he stomped on Mr. > Kerry for trying to get along with the world: "He talks about leading > ‘a more sensitive war on terror’ as though Al Qaeda will be impressed > with our softer side." It’s nice to know Mr. Cheney remembers Al > Qaeda.

’a more sensitive war on terror’ i’ve hearda bout this only via insulting reactoins. just now googled, http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200408061120.asp whihc is amazingly polite ciriticism, rare among wrought-wingers. if this column is accurate regarding kerry’s intended meaning behind his phrase ‘more sensitive war on terror’, then kerry’s missing out on what his phrase *should* have meant. becoming frineds with citizens of countries whrer terrorirsts "breed" is probably the most effective "war on terror"…. ’sensitive’ or ‘nonsensitive’. > As others raged, Mr. Bush flew to New York and went to an Italian > community center to eat pizza with Queens firemen. The homeboy was > having a ruthless, but effective, week.

did they have an orgies? why do repugs have all the fun! i must be too sensitive. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8 &q=firemen+sex+Scandal++Fordham+%7C+Brooklyn%7C+york — A nude Gollum on your doorstep is burn baby, burn

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Cutups and Cutthroats By MAUREEN DOWD Published: September 2, 2004 I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to the side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part "Good Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. Trying to humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch Mr. Cheney take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie ride and hear how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. Advertisement Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of course, it’s global domination. It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox. How awkward in Columbus, when W., hanging with Jack Nicklaus, noted that his grandfather was born there, so they should "send a homeboy back to Washington, D.C." Do they know a homeboy from a Lawn-Boy? How you livin’, dawg? And speaking of dawgs, whuddup with that video of Barney debating that French poodle Fifi Kerry about taxes? By the time the twins finished their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl Rove and Karen Hughes went all giddy in the sendup, the convention’s arc was clear. Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe fears that the Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane, turbo moments designed to stir up fears that we won’t be safe without the Bush bullies. Unlike the arrogant Boston Kerry strategists, who focus-grouped and dial-a- metered their convention to death, scrubbing most of the direct attacks on President Bush, the arrogant Austin Bush strategists have encouraged their non-girlie-men speakers to put the pedal to the metal and flatten the poor Democrat who is windsurfing through his free fall. Despite the fact that the economy is cratering, Iraq is teetering, Afghanistan is reverting to warlords, Dick Cheney is glowering at the world, the war on terror has created more acts of terror, Ahmad Chalabi is an accused spy for Iran and the Pentagon has an accused spy for Israel, Republicans felt so good about themselves that when Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was inspired to become a Republican by Richard Nixon, they exploded. When Tricky Dick is a hot applause line, they’re feeling cocky. Republicans are political killers. They are confident that Americans, in a 9/11 world, are going to be more drawn to political killers who have made some "miscalculations" on Iraq, as W. put it, than with a shaggy-haired Vietnam War protester whom Bush 41 compares to Hanoi Jane. "I still have great difficulty with his coming back and making those statements before the Congress and throwing medals away," the president’s father told Don Imus yesterday. Republicans know that plunging ahead with a course of action, even if it becomes obvious it’s wrong, is an easier political sell than flip-flopping, even if it’s right. When the president slipped, admitting that the war on terror is unwinnable – perhaps recognizing that terror’s a tactic, not an enemy – he had to be saved later by Laura Bush, who fixed his stumble into nuance. Then Mr. Kerry made the mistake of responding in Bush black-and-white, calling the war on terror winnable. While Democrats whined about the meanies and their Swift boat attacks, the G.O.P. juggernaut rolled on. Zell Miller, playing Cotton Mather behind the cross-like lectern, made Mr. Cheney seem rational, with a maniacal litany of weapons he said Mr. Kerry had opposed that can destroy any mud hut in any third world country: B-1 and B-2 bombers, F-14A Tomcats, F-15 Eagles, Patriot and Trident missiles, and Aegis cruisers. Just as the "third party" ad effort has been ferocious and misleading, so have some of the attack speeches here. Dick Cheney stomped on John Kerry the way he’s stomped on the world. In fact, he stomped on Mr. Kerry for trying to get along with the world: "He talks about leading ‘a more sensitive war on terror’ as though Al Qaeda will be impressed with our softer side." It’s nice to know Mr. Cheney remembers Al Qaeda. As others raged, Mr. Bush flew to New York and went to an Italian community center to eat pizza with Queens firemen. The homeboy was having a ruthless, but effective, week.

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9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL

admin — Mon, 31 May 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof. The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state, and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military, the media, does nothing. Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL – A Call to All True Patriots – We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart. You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle. And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again. The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom. A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement. I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today. The structural tolerance was quite low. The intense heat would collapse the pilings. And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure. The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall. But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling. People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!! *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof. The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state, and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military, the media, does nothing. Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11. Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11. Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed. Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored. the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means. In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion. The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth. In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true. Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it. It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means. In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves. This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion. The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth. In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day 9/12, was crudely edited. You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane") There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day. What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings". Check out the examination of that flight and the photos on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering. Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not? But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering. Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not? But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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IFR Checkride Scheduled

admin — Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Here is an interesting question. Lets say you pass your checkride, but the examiner fails his. Do you have to retake your checkride? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have my IFR checkride scheduled for April 21st… To make it even more exciting my CFII talked me into taking my ride with a DE that is getting his certification for giving instrument checkrides… So not only will he be there but a representative from the FAA will be riding along critiquing him… Has anyone else had any checkride experiences along these lines? Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness… Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess… Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

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Cecil, I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds.

Well, it’s definitely a YMMV thing. Also, it depends when and where you fly. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive.

Firstly, that’s just one of many scenarios for being asked/told to hold. To answer your question, I don’t know. Definitely more than zero, but not that often. I’ve been asked to hold flying into Arcata, was given a hold out near Modesto, have held at Tracy for the LVK ILS 25R as well as at MARNA down near MRY. More often though I get a ‘visual hold’ or a ‘vector hold’. There are some approaches that start with a turn in the hold – check out Napa – given direct SGD at 4000′ cleared for the approach – you basically fly the hold. Hilton

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Be the plane…. be the plane… be the plane… OK got it… Thanks…. JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good luck John. Be the plane man, be the plane…

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Hi Allen, When I took my multi-engine check ride my boss was getting his DE authority also. The FAA Inspector from Albuquerque, NM was also training two new inspectors. There were five of us in a Piper Navajo on a July day in NM. Talk about "sweating" it out. P.S. We all passed!

Wow that must have given the examiner(s) an opportunity to really test the single engine climb performance! They probably all had white knuckles by the time you landed… I’m now hoping I don’t get an extra person on board the Seminole when it comes to taking the Multi addon, the performance is marginal at best! Best wishes, Richard Thomas CP-ASEL IA Student AMEL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada….

I have had scandalously few hours in the system since I passed my checkride, and I’ve had to hold on approach twice. Once approaching Arlington when the controller was trying to ensure that the predecessor, who had actually – gasp – landed, had closed. And once at Paine when the controller had, at a guess, been a little optimistic about sequencing. Surely the first problem illustrates that it’s going to be more likely to happen at an untowered field because by then you’re on advisories and off radar? It doesn’t have to be a busy hub. Remember to check if there’s a specific frequency for closing the plan at an untowered field (e.g. one local airport with ILS and scheduled airline traffic uses the CD frequency, but that’s not clearly stated on the plate). — David Brooks

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My soon to be DE who flys for ATA told me he has only been told to hold 4 times in his entire career… Maybe the big boys don’t get holds as much as us little guys… JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada….

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I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada…. — — =—– Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL Student-IASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." – Antoine de Saint-Exupery – "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" – Cecil Day Lewis – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – experience. Hilton

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Cecil, I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career.

I’m sure other IFR pilots, and perhaps your CFI, have told you this – it simply is not true. I have been given numerous holds by ATC here in the Bay Area (where you are). Also, many approaches have a hold as part of their misssed approach. As yourself what happens if you lose comms. I remember hearing NorCal giving a military pilot a hold and ATC had to literally describe to the pilot how to fly it (over PYE if I remember correctly) – I was amazed. Moreover, if you go into the exercise of learning holds with the thought that you’ll never use them, you probably won’t maximize the learning experience. Hilton

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Good luck John. Be the plane man, be the plane… — Jack Allison PP-ASEL "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci

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Here is an interesting question. Lets say you pass your checkride, but the examiner fails his. Do you have to retake your checkride?

No.

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I have my IFR checkride scheduled for April 21st… To make it even more exciting my CFII talked me into taking my ride with a DE that is getting his certification for giving instrument checkrides… So not only will he be there but a representative from the FAA will be riding along critiquing him… Has anyone else had any checkride experiences along these lines? Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness… Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess… Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

When I took my multi-engine check ride my boss was getting his DE authority also. The FAA Inspector from Albuquerque, NM was also training two new inspectors. There were five of us in a Piper Navajo on a July day in NM. Talk about "sweating" it out. You are going about it with the right attitude. Give it the best you’ve got and you’ll do fine. P.S. We all passed! Allen Smith

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Thanks Cecil…. I expect you to finish up before me and give me some pointers. :-) JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long) Have a great ride, Jon! As is often said, your instructor wouldn’t release you for the checkride unless you were ready. I look forward to seeing your ’signature’ changing, after April 21. I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career. I think I have the pattern entry process, down, though (OnTop has helped me quite a lot with conceptualizing the entries). Though occasionally I’ve done the ‘wrong’ entry, so to speak, during moments of IFR training induced ‘brain-fog’ As for the nervousness,,, I don’t know what to tell you other than to do something relaxing the day before (unrelated to flying). If you can,, take the day off and take in a good matinee at the movies (with an extra helping of popcorn and root beer

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Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

Have a great ride, Jon! As is often said, your instructor wouldn’t release you for the checkride unless you were ready. I look forward to seeing your ’signature’ changing, after April 21. I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career. I think I have the pattern entry process, down, though (OnTop has helped me quite a lot with conceptualizing the entries). Though occasionally I’ve done the ‘wrong’ entry, so to speak, during moments of IFR training induced ‘brain-fog’ As for the nervousness,,, I don’t know what to tell you other than to do something relaxing the day before (unrelated to flying). If you can,, take the day off and take in a good matinee at the movies (with an extra helping of popcorn and root beer

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Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness…

It was November 2001. The WTC wreckage was still strewn across lower Manhattan and the Pentagon construction crews were starting their own herculean rebuilding effort while many citizens were still wary of aircraft sounds in the skies. The Powers That Be had just recently implemented the DC ADIZ and all the local pilots were well aware that the circular contrails above the city were created by aircraft not displaying civilian livery. I scheduled my checkride to fly out of Frederick, MD (KFDK) but that meant I had to get my plane from Leesburg, VA (KJYO) to FDK. At the time of my checkride, all flights in the ADIZ had to be on IFR plans so I had to convince my instructor to tag along so we could fly IFR on his ticket. We get to FDK without incident, meet the DE and she begins reviewing the documentation. Aircraft logs check out OK and she reviews my logbook. "So you flew to Elizabeth City, NC for your long XC?" Yes. "I don’t see an instructor sign-off." Uh-oh. I had gotten an interpretation from AOPA that an instructor was not required for that flight. They were wrong. As the DE put it, "You should have asked the FAA." OK, what are my options? It turned out that her afternoon appointment had cancelled (perhaps due to ADIZ restrictions) and she was willing to give me the checkride in the afternoon *IF* I could get the long XC done that day. I call the office and let them know I need to take the rest of the day off and they graciously agreed. Meanwhile, my instructor (who I begged to check) also was able to get the day off from his day job. We planned and flew a XC from FDK to Hot Springs, VA (KHSP) – a very cool mountain-top airport for those interested – with a secondary stop at Shenandoah (KSHD). While waiting for fuel at SHD, I called and confirmed with the DE that we would be back in FDK that day, but that daylight would be fast receding by the time we got there. She normally doesn’t conduct checkrides at night, but she suggested I get back to FDK as quickly as possible. We kept the squirrels under the cowl of the 172 running as fast as the whip could get them and we arrived back at FDK with about 25 minutes of daylight left. My instructor signed off the logbook and the DE began the oral portion of the checkride. Everything went well and we went to the plane where I performed the pre-flight by flashlight. Luckily, I was still night current and we took off for the practical test. We went through the usual assortment of tasks – steep turns, DME arc, VOR approach, tracking radials, etc. – and ended up shooting the ILS back to FDK. She let me know that I’d "broken out" and could remove the hood and proceeded to inform me that as long as I could land and park the plane, I’d received my instrument rating. Even with that added pressure, I was able to fly a near-perfect glideslope followed by a chirp-chirp…chirp landing that any instructor would be proud of. We went inside where the DE filled out my temporary certificate and I filed my very first IFR plan where I was to be PIC – just to get home to JYO. After all was said and done, I performed the first pre-flight of the day before 8am and tied down after 7pm. In between, I logged 1.1 hours for the trip to/from JYO-FDK, 4.1 hours for the long XC, and another 1.3 for the practical test (6.5 hours of flight time) on top of the oral exam. It was a long day. Let this be a lesson for all: Take your instructor on the long XC flight! Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess…

Good attitude. Try to stay calm. Remember that your instructor wouldn’t send you up (hopefully) unless he thought you were ready. — John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415

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Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness…

My instrument checkride was not atypical so I don’t have any over-the-top experiences to offer. I did, however, forget the acronym MEA when the DE pointed to it on the en route chart and asked what the number represented. After he answered his own question, I apologized for the legitimate brain fart. This DE is also a CFII (not mine) and a very easy person with whom to converse, so overall the test was very comfortable for me. However, in regards to the nervousness, I have two suggestions. The first is to really enjoy and interact with the DE during the oral exam. Ask him about his experiences. Take the opportunity to let him/her teach you, as well as the more obvious part about him/her testing you. The more you informally interact with him/her, the more you should realize that he is just a more experienced pilot who wants to be sure you will be a safe pilot, especially with a rating that can be inherently more lethal. Secondly, I found it reassuring that I absolutely did not want to pass the instrument checkride if I was not a safe instrument pilot. I am not on any fast track to some airline job, so slamming out ratings like the passing of mile markers on a super highway was not my goal. Carrying my precious cargo of my wife and two little boys as safely as possible was (and is still) my goal. This may be obvious, but the point of passing is not to pass, but to demonstrate some level of proficiency. With that in mind, I gave the DE a quick speech at the beginning of my oral exam stating that I expected him to withhold the rating if I was not safe in his eyes. By doing this, I accomplished two things. First, it relaxed me because it reminded me of the real purpose of the checkride. Secondly, it demonstrated to the DE what my sincere goal was if I did pass the checkride. Remember that your CFII would not have endorsed your logbook if s/he felt you were not ready. Fly like it is your CFII in the right seat, and you should do very well. Looking forward to reading your post-instrument checkride report. — Peter —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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What are the odds?

admin — Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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days. I would guess the tire needed more brakes for some reason in each case. You said it was the home base and the base is notorious for the effect of sudden brakage.

The first plane was a Fed-Ex A-300 out of Newark. They stopped in less than 4000′ of runway. All 8 main tires were blown. Jacks had to be trucked in to raise it up to change the tires. Once it was raised, the brakes wouldn’t disassemble. It was on the runway about 12 hours. Interestingly, it isn’t in the FAA’s incident listings. The second plane was a DC-3 based at nearby airport. Flat tires on taildraggers can be tricky. Fortunately they didn’t ground-loop it. The local newspaper reported that no flights had to divert. You know I sent a sarcastic e-mail to that editor. D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a clear calm morning. The sun was just coming up over the ocean. The temperature was around 70F. I had an easy commute in to work. The employee parking shuttle bus driver waited for me to walk over and board instead of making me wait 15 minutes for the next one. I had only one Jeppeson update to do. There weren’t any nasty memoes from the chief pilot. No one was running their noisy APU, so I did the pre-flight exterior inspection. For once, I didn’t find any discrepencies. The only way it could have been better is if I started the day fishing instead of waiting until I got off work to go fishing. After the pre-flight, I was standing next to the plane chatting with a friend. He and I used to tow banners together. As we were talking, a big cloud of smoke rolled across the airfield. It was tire smoke but too much for a normal landing. Then a gate agent motioned for me to come up the jetway because the boarding passengers were concerned about the smell. I gave them an explanation that worked. After I hung up the PA, my helper-pilot told me that the main runway was shut down because of a disabled aircraft. We made a bet on which airline it was. It turned out to be my turn to buy lunch. Our departure time is at the start of the morning rush of departures, but the morning rush wasn’t happening because many flights were having headaches trying to get their weight down so they could use the short runway. We launched from the short runway in good time. The trip up to the Northeast was pleasant. We called the field insight from 60 miles out. Our turn time was good. We were ready to board when my intuition made the other pilot call clearance. Sure enough, we had a 2 hour gate hold because of delays due to a disabled airplane at our destination. That was going to cut into my fishing time. After the first hour passed, and the greasy spoon diner they call a restaurant had started serving lunch, I sauntered up to the gate area to get a bite to eat. I was surrounded by anxious passengers wanting more information. The gate agent had been instructed not to say anything. A certain irritable streak deep inside was starting to wiggle around because, unlike management, I know how to run an airline. I picked up the PA and gave the folks the information they craved. Just as my speech was winding down, the gate agent wispered to me that our gear-up time had been moved up. I keyed the PA again and told everyone that we had 20 minutes to be in the air or else ATC would send us to the end of the list. Those people must have liked my speech. They ran down the jetway. They stuffed bags in the overheads with super-human strength. I think I saw them shove the last standing passenger into a seat. We set a record for boarding a full plane. They must have liked my speech. Number 2 engine was lit and spooling up as we ran the runway. We made it into the air with less than a minute left of our edict. Maybe I should use that speech more often. The flight southbound was just as nice. ATC was giving vectors and speed restrictions to other traffic in order to get the required in-trail spacing, but they left us alone. All was going well. Too well. On the arrival, 30 miles from the airport, we were given holding instructions. It caught us by surprise. I had to fly the first orbit by hand until my helper-pilot programmed the hold into the FMS. Then he called the tower for more information. He turned to me and said, "What are the odds?". The main runway was still shutdown because it still had an airplane on it with 8 blown tires. The second runway was now shutdown because it also had an airplane on it with blown tires. What are the odds? The second plane was a DC-3. I know that the last DC-3 towbar left the airport a long time ago. The first disabled plane was still on it’s axles. The airport wouldn’t be open anytime soon. We decided that holding wouldn’t change anything, so we diverted to another airport. I never did get to go fishing that day. It was a beautiful day for fishing and I was stuck at the airport. What are the odds? D.

Two blown tire incidents in one days. I would guess the tire needed more brakes for some reason in each case. You said it was the home base and the base is notorious for the effect of sudden brakage. And fishing at your homebase is a passtime so maybe it has to do with water near the end of the runway. I remember Boston for this problem in the news papers. Is Boston your base?? I remember the Massacheustts solution for the Boston runway problem was to keep the old one and add a second without water as the overrun. Except the new one solved the noise polution problem only and is a poor use for the new North End. Somebody had Mayor White’s old crowd mad at them way back.

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It was a clear calm morning. The sun was just coming up over the ocean. The temperature was around 70F. I had an easy commute in to work. The employee parking shuttle bus driver waited for me to walk over and board instead of making me wait 15 minutes for the next one. I had only one Jeppeson update to do. There weren’t any nasty memoes from the chief pilot. No one was running their noisy APU, so I did the pre-flight exterior inspection. For once, I didn’t find any discrepencies. The only way it could have been better is if I started the day fishing instead of waiting until I got off work to go fishing. After the pre-flight, I was standing next to the plane chatting with a friend. He and I used to tow banners together. As we were talking, a big cloud of smoke rolled across the airfield. It was tire smoke but too much for a normal landing. Then a gate agent motioned for me to come up the jetway because the boarding passengers were concerned about the smell. I gave them an explanation that worked. After I hung up the PA, my helper-pilot told me that the main runway was shut down because of a disabled aircraft. We made a bet on which airline it was. It turned out to be my turn to buy lunch. Our departure time is at the start of the morning rush of departures, but the morning rush wasn’t happening because many flights were having headaches trying to get their weight down so they could use the short runway. We launched from the short runway in good time. The trip up to the Northeast was pleasant. We called the field insight from 60 miles out. Our turn time was good. We were ready to board when my intuition made the other pilot call clearance. Sure enough, we had a 2 hour gate hold because of delays due to a disabled airplane at our destination. That was going to cut into my fishing time. After the first hour passed, and the greasy spoon diner they call a restaurant had started serving lunch, I sauntered up to the gate area to get a bite to eat. I was surrounded by anxious passengers wanting more information. The gate agent had been instructed not to say anything. A certain irritable streak deep inside was starting to wiggle around because, unlike management, I know how to run an airline. I picked up the PA and gave the folks the information they craved. Just as my speech was winding down, the gate agent wispered to me that our gear-up time had been moved up. I keyed the PA again and told everyone that we had 20 minutes to be in the air or else ATC would send us to the end of the list. Those people must have liked my speech. They ran down the jetway. They stuffed bags in the overheads with super-human strength. I think I saw them shove the last standing passenger into a seat. We set a record for boarding a full plane. They must have liked my speech. Number 2 engine was lit and spooling up as we ran the runway. We made it into the air with less than a minute left of our edict. Maybe I should use that speech more often. The flight southbound was just as nice. ATC was giving vectors and speed restrictions to other traffic in order to get the required in-trail spacing, but they left us alone. All was going well. Too well. On the arrival, 30 miles from the airport, we were given holding instructions. It caught us by surprise. I had to fly the first orbit by hand until my helper-pilot programmed the hold into the FMS. Then he called the tower for more information. He turned to me and said, "What are the odds?". The main runway was still shutdown because it still had an airplane on it with 8 blown tires. The second runway was now shutdown because it also had an airplane on it with blown tires. What are the odds? The second plane was a DC-3. I know that the last DC-3 towbar left the airport a long time ago. The first disabled plane was still on it’s axles. The airport wouldn’t be open anytime soon. We decided that holding wouldn’t change anything, so we diverted to another airport. I never did get to go fishing that day. It was a beautiful day for fishing and I was stuck at the airport. What are the odds? D.

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Need info Gallitin MT flyfishing

admin — Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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.. how hard is it to get a hook up in the national forest ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

None of the NF campgrounds have power, period. — Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://kendaco.telebyte.com/rlindber/RV

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest can anyone help with any first hand knowledge will be takeing a 30 foot class A is a dingy necessary ? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise thank you glenn please send email to

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there who is familiar with the area. Just click on the URL above, it’ll take you there directly without having to "subscribe" to the newsgroup.

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest

When? (I’d ask why, since I wouldn’t bother any more) can anyone help with any first hand knowledge

Yes will be takeing a 30 foot class A is a dingy necessary ?

Where are you planning to stay? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

The only place I am recalling with power is the KOA at Bozeman Hotsprings (which also gives you access to the springs pools) —

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Florida Keys

admin — Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys. I was there a few years ago. We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Try Knights Key, it should be listed in the camping directories. I have never stayed there but stopped by and it didn’t look to bad. Good Luck Rambler

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys. I was there a few years ago. We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Bahia Honda State Park is Beautiful. Get your reservations early though. http://www.bahiahondapark.com/ Adk Keith

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The KOA at Fiesta Key (Marathon) is nice. The waterfront sites are awesome. Especially at sunset. The interior sites are very narrow. Streetside slideouts would hit your neighbors RV. — Regards, Jim –

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I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

Try John Pennacamp SP…nice with it’s own coral reef Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Have stayed the past 3yrs at Sunshine Key resort–just over the 7mi bridge. Waterfront sites are nice, marina with boat dock right there, gas station right there, laundry, stuff for kids to do, movies, games etc. pool. Park is pet friendly as well.

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

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I live in a great RV park in Fl. Inexpensive as I go 6mos on and off. I rented a car last Sept instead of taking my MH as I was told it was hard to find a spot down there. Boy was I glad I did. US1 from Homestead to Key West was the worst slowest drive I have ever taken I’m not chicken either, I ‘v driven cross country in my MH with toad (even parked in downtown Houston). Try if you have a death wish!! Hope I have done this right. This is my first post

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

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That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little

Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken

Key West definitely is not a good place for a large rig. Unless you are military, I understand there is only one campground available, and it is not pleasant. About 10 miles north of KW is the state park Bahia Honda. If you can get a site, that would be an excellent base camp. See my 2000-2 journal. — Carl A. http://pages.prodigy.net/chainnj/Journal.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little

Well, ya gotta realize, those were 14 day rates and they came from the discounted rates section. I think for regular rates you need to fill out the questionnaire. Just for giggles, I checked the discount rate for 1 to 3 days, it’s a bit different

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Two Christmas’ ago I checked and the price was $667.00 for one week, admittedly during the Christmas/New Year’s week. Fortunately I qualify for military FAM camps and enjoyed a week’s stay at the Coast Guard station within walking distance to downtown at $9.00 per night. — Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/madewar/ www.anticattic.com

: << You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park : : GB, : : That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we : talking less than a hundred? : : Tom :

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just spent 4 days at jabours over christmas. 104 a night all taxes and extra for the kids. it’s basically just a parking lot with hookups. but you’re paying for where it’s at, not what it looks like. b

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I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE | Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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Are there plenty of campgrounds?

Some, yes; plenty, no. How horrible is the traffic?

It’s not nearly as bad driving from somewhere TO there as it is to find a parking place after you GET there. The streets are narrow and crowded, and real estate is at a premium, so very little of it is used for parking. BTW, the drive down from Miami is absolutely spectacular. You’ll cross countless bridges, some of which are quite long, and the views out over the ocean are something you will never forget. Take your time and enjoy the ride — you can’t hurry anyway because of the congestion and the low speed limits. Be warned: US 1 down the Keys is NOT an expressway. Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West?

That depends on whether you want to hassle with parking every day when you drive into KW. (See above.) You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park (you can find their web site with a Google search), which is in downtown KW and within walking distance of almost everything. That way you can park your rig and not have to drive again. It’s crowded and tucked into what looks like a back alley, but it’s a nice place and very well maintained (and safe). Note: You will pay dearly for this convenience, just like you will pay for anything you get in KW. OTOH, if you stay farther up the Keys you will also pay dearly in the hassle of finding a parking place every day when you get to KW. Either way you pay. Not to say it’s not worth it, just be ready for sticker shock. KW is not a cheap place to visit at any time of the year. Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc.

They are "outrageous" (all things are relative) at any time, but worth it if you want to see KW. We’ve been there twice, some years ago, and will go again at some point when time permits. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions.

You’re welcome. Drive safely. GB in NC

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If you are eligible to use military facilities, NAS Key West has a campground on the Bay. Take a taxi on base to KW proper and walk or rent a bike. As GDinNC says, watch your speed, the Sheriff and Florida HP patrol and give tickets. RVC USMC (Ret)

I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this

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The last time I was in the Keys, it was about $65- a night, and was not even Key West. — Ted Harris http://www.tedharris.com

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… walk or rent a bike.

Good point. When we were there we didn’t move our camper at all, once we parked it on our "campsite" (I admit I’m using that term loosely — Jabour’s is not a traditional campground in the scenic, wooded sense

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We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself.

Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing. It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available. Walking tours are really great! RVC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing. It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available. Walking tours are really great!

As are the sunset parties and the oysters! Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Blue Water Key RV resort about 15 miles from Key West is small (65 sites) quite with nice pool. Reserve early, can be expensive.

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Anyone know a good Keys campground for the Xmas Holidays? Interested in swimming and eating, and if at all possible, privacy and quiet. Scout

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

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Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

No way. You haven’t seen *anything* until you’ve seen Key West. Definitely go all the way down. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys?

Absolutely. The drive itself is worth it. The scenery is spectacular and like nothing you will see anywhere else. Any number of long, high bridges over the ocean, connecting the little islands. 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

Don’t know about this time of year. Always expect tourist traffic, though, and don’t be in a hurry. You’ll go through any number of congested areas. US 1 down the Keys is *not* an expressway. You’ll be driving at slower speeds than you’re used to driving on a major highway. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.?

Don’t know. There weren’t when we were there a few years ago. 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

Hemingway’s house is an interesting tour. Mel Fisher’s museum of recovered shipwreck treasures is worth the time, IMO. Be sure to walk down Duval Street (where all the bars are) for people-watching. There are some really different-looking people there.

Everything is expensive (location, location, location) — but you can’t avoid it, so don’t worry about it. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

No. Not without rushing. And you wouldn’t have time to see anything once you got there. Besides, you need to be there at sunset (see above). 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

Nothing will seem "reasonably priced." But it’s worth it, especially for one night. We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC

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Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities:

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We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly.

Yes! We all forgot to tell Lon that taking a ride on the *Conch Train* is a must do. The chamber of commerce in the heart of town used to have a free walking tour map, too, that was very nice if yo are in to architecture. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

I love the raw oysters down there, but Lon is a Michigan boy and, from my experience they aren’t crazy about raw shellfish . They make this drink on the upper Keys called a rum runner which is awesome. You sit on the porch overlooking the Gulf of Mexico and watch the sun extinquish itself in the Gulf. You almost expcet to hear a hiss and see steam. It’s much quieter than the sunset parties on Key West, but a pleasant and memorable experience. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

LOL Your faith is justified. Lon

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Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

Thanks for all the links, but I connect via cell phone. Thankfully, most of the campground are covered pretty well in our directories. Add that to the fact Good luck with that BlueBird. If money were no object, I’d swallow hard and tolerate the diesel smell and noise to have one. After touring the factory, I can’t imagine any unit being built stronger. Lon

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For kicks, look over at the old and crumbling Bahia Honda bridge which parallels Seven Mile, or walk out on it to fish and think of what driving that must have been like.

Many a truck had their mirrors knocked off going across that old bridge when they passed each other. If you like fish be sure to get a fried grouper sandwich at the 7 mile grill on the north side of the bridge. Great! Dennis

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Maybe this will change your mind about Key West. I absolutely love going there – and I am a liberal. It is the only true tropical weather in the continental USA (no daily average temperature below 32 degrees). It has all of the tropical plants that go with that climate. Add historic buildings – add beaches – plenty of shops and restaurants – championship sports fishing – golf – sailboat as sunset – circus cats – manmade land of coral – beautiful blue waters – sunsets – snorkeling – flying to fort jefferson – the Cuban adventure – refugees in little boats made of inner tubes and sapplings – light houses – salvaging on the reefs – gold coins from Spanish galleons – Flaglers railroad bridges - Duval St – museums in forts – perfectly flat bicycling – mopeds – scooters – tour ships – first class hotels – bed and breakfasts made from mahogany from old ships – old homes – the conch train – Audabon home – Hemmingway home and cats – artistic community – college kids at spring breaks – drunks – bikinis – rainbow flags – driving down route 1 to its end – and the strong presence of the gay community.

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

Will do, Larrie. Thanks for the tip. Lon

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Lon 1st, if you don’t get accommodations in the Keys,,, at least get something in the Homestead area.. This time a year we are a bit full of snow birds, so your drive from Florida City to Key West can take a couple hours,,, it’s only 127 miles,, but also only one road,,, US 1,,, not a lot of traffic lights,, but few passing areas.. Here is the FAQ maintained by the crowd on the Florida Sportsman Fishing Forum: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=100907 It is full of everything you need to know,, from accommodations, to weather, fishing seasons, guide services, flora & fauna.. You should try one of our State parks,, either Long Key or Bahia Honda,, the later is only 33 miles from Key West. There are also several KOA’s and other parks that can accommodate the biggest of the pushers… Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities: Sugarloaf KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koasugarloaf Fiesta Key KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koafiesta Dry Tortugas National Park – http://www.dry.tortugas.nation…g.htm Sunshine Key Encore Campground – http://www.encorerv.com/unique…n.htm Long Key State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Bahia Honda State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp John Pennekamp State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Knights Key Campground – http://www.seefloridaonline.co…athon You are a little late for the annual debauchery,,, we have a party at the end of October called Fantasy Fest,, based loosely on Halloween,, very similar to New Orleans’s Marti Gras,,, rather than use Ash Wednesday, we use All Saints Day,,, We encourage parents not to bring the KIDS,,, nufff said??? GB in NC hit your Q’s well,,, Here are a couple other web sites that may be of interest: http://www.fantasyfest.net/ << the official site http://www.bigeasychoppers.com/festival1.html <<<< some pictures for the strong of hart If you fly fish,, here is a note I wrote a while back that address wade fishing: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=95444 Good Luck,, Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone.

Neither of us particularly like "crowded", and would avoid the keys entirely for that reason were it not for all the great things we have heard about it. I want to see it, but don’t want to stay long. It just doesn’t make sense to either of us to drive the MH 500 miles round trip to spend one night in it. Logically, since campgrounds generally cost $50/night on the keys, we figure we can spend up to $200 on a motel and food, and still be money ahead of the game. Besides, we’ve only spent 3 nights in the last 16 months which weren’t in the MH. It’ll be like a mini vacation.

What are the odds of getting in next week without a reservation? Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said. It’s one corner of this country. You have to be there at least once. Tom M

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PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

Congratulations. Vote early and often.

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You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Janet, ruining her reputation

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PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year. Congratulations. Vote early and often.

Thanks Lon, we are very happy with our new status. regards to Carolyn from Carol and I Aubrey

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<< I agree with everything GB said. It’s one corner of this country. You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

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Is it worth the trip? Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country. Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave. Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years. Canoli

Thanks a bunch, Canoli…and everyone else who responded. That should keep us busy and expose us to just the _right_ amount of trouble.

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8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly. Don’t miss sundown on the pier! Peter & Anne-Marie Arnold Windsor, CT ‘95 F250 W/PSD {156 Kmi} 31 Ft Prowler Fifth Wheel NCT # 13390, The Masonic Campers

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone. Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

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Is it worth the trip? Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country. Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave. Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years.

What did you find to do for a living down there? John

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Hello, http://www.kwcamp.com/ (Key West) http://www.aokl.com/ (Key Largo) Great 2 campgrounds, we prefer Key Largo with private beach, great sunsets, Ardyno

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

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Yeah, you might as well go Miami and take in the sights in Liberty City. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the

keys? It is 128 miles from Homestead to Key West 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

It will depend on how many morons like you, decide to kill themselves on the highway on that particular day. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays,

etc.? Every other block, there is a red light 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

Depends on how many speeding tickets you feel comfortable with. 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

The Mamma Jamma Inn on MLK Blvd in Liesure City. Don’t waste your time going if you want to drive to Key West and back in a day. Disney world sounds like it would be more your speed. If you do decide to go, the troopers always have their eyes open for out of state speeders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

Hi Lon, We did that Key West thing about two years ago. We parked at a Casino near Homestead and spent a night parked there and asked them the next morning if we could leave the RV parked with them. They didnt mind so we motored down by car. It was a long drive but worth it. There are touristy things to see along the way and the part I found interesting was looking out to sea, in a S.E direction to Cuba ,apparently 90 mi away. (According to the sign they have put up) We also stayed at a state campground and went out to sea in a glass bottom boat. That was "cool" Do the trip, you will enjoy it. Regards PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.